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  • Vendzilla
    Biker Gnome
    • Mar 2004
    • 23200

    #1

    Drunk illegal alien, awaiting deportation kills nun

    http://www.examiner.com/x-35821-Immi...ills-nun-in-Va

    On Sunday, Prince William County police arrested Carlos A. Martinelly Montano, 23, after he slammed head on into a car in which three Benedictine nuns were traveling. Sister Denise Mosier was killed instantly, her two companions were taken by helicopter to the hospital where they both remain in critical condition

    This is actually Montano?s third DUI arrest in Prince William County over the last five years. At the time of the crash, the illegal alien was free on bond while awaiting deportation proceedings.

    He had a drivers license?
    Looks like ICE fucked this up

    Wonder if this will effect how people feel about the Arizona law?
    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
    think about that
  • Brujah
    Beer Money Baron
    • Jan 2001
    • 22157

    #2
    Because only illegal aliens drive drunk. Innocent legal Americans never kill people by driving drunk. I see your point.

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    • alias
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      #3
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      • arschloch
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        #4
        a nice way to celebrate deportation
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        • RyuLion
          • Mar 2003
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          #5
          ok, lets Racially profile these stats


          Has anyone seen a DUI report arranged by race?
          Lets see it..

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          • Brujah
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            • Jan 2001
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            #6
            Montana is practically 80% Mexican.

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            • brassmonkey
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              • Sep 2005
              • 77397

              #7
              Originally posted by Vendzilla
              http://www.examiner.com/x-35821-Immi...ills-nun-in-Va

              On Sunday, Prince William County police arrested Carlos A. Martinelly Montano, 23, after he slammed head on into a car in which three Benedictine nuns were traveling. Sister Denise Mosier was killed instantly, her two companions were taken by helicopter to the hospital where they both remain in critical condition

              This is actually Montano?s third DUI arrest in Prince William County over the last five years. At the time of the crash, the illegal alien was free on bond while awaiting deportation proceedings.

              He had a drivers license?
              Looks like ICE fucked this up

              Wonder if this will effect how people feel about the Arizona law?
              the citizens need get involved! demand action! it's a wake up call!

              Originally posted by Brujah
              Because only illegal aliens drive drunk. Innocent legal Americans never kill people by driving drunk. I see your point.
              he wasn't suppose to be in the united states.
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              • Brujah
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                • Jan 2001
                • 22157

                #8
                Still, I'm torn because I'm not all that fond of Catholics either. The only solution is for a drunk nun to run over a bus full of Mexicans.

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                • Vendzilla
                  Biker Gnome
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 23200

                  #9
                  The fact remands
                  This is his 3rd DUI, Killing a Nun
                  He had a drivers license, how?
                  ICE had him before and released him?
                  Why is there even a waiting time for deportation?
                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                  think about that

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                  • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
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                    • Jul 2004
                    • 38323

                    #10
                    1 dead as car plows into Mexican bike race



                    MONTERREY, Mexico ? A car plowed into a bike race along a highway near the U.S.-Mexico border, killing one and injuring 10 others.

                    The 28-year-old driver was apparently drunk and fell asleep when he crashed into the race Sunday, police investigator Jose Alfredo Rodriguez said Monday.

                    A photograph taken by a city official showed bicyclists and equipment being hurled high into the air by the collision.

                    Rodriguez said Juan Campos was charged with killing 37-year-old Alejandro Alvarez of Monterrey.

                    Authorities said the wreck happened 15 minutes into the 34-kilometer race Sunday along a highway between Playa Bagdad and Matamoros, across from Brownsville, Texas.

                    Campos said he is an American citizen living in Brownsville.
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                    • brassmonkey
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                      • Sep 2005
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                      The fact remands
                      This is his 3rd DUI, Killing a Nun
                      He had a drivers license, how?
                      ICE had him before and released him?
                      Why is there even a waiting time for deportation?
                      you live in cali your government lets them get a drivers license. which is crazy.
                      Last edited by brassmonkey; 08-03-2010, 01:17 PM.
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                      • brassmonkey
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                        • Sep 2005
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude




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                        damn i almost laughed but somebody died. right?
                        Last edited by brassmonkey; 08-03-2010, 01:20 PM.
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                        • brentbacardi
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                          #13
                          At first I thought the bicycle accident was photoshopped.... damn!
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                          • Vendzilla
                            Biker Gnome
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 23200

                            #14
                            Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude




                            ADG
                            Was the driver there legally?
                            Did he have two priors?
                            Was he legally driving with a license?

                            I remember that story
                            Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                            think about that

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                            • Brujah
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                              • Jan 2001
                              • 22157

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                              Was the driver there legally?
                              Did he have two priors?
                              Was he legally driving with a license?

                              I remember that story
                              And were there any nuns riding bicycles?

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                              • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
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                                • Jul 2004
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                damn i almost laughed but somebody died. right?
                                Yup! Here is a link to the article:

                                Police say American driver was apparently drunk and fell asleep at wheel



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                                • marketsmart
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                                  • Dec 2004
                                  • 20419

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by RyuLion
                                  ok, lets Racially profile these stats


                                  Has anyone seen a DUI report arranged by race?
                                  Lets see it..
                                  all that red sure likes like salsa to me...



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                                  • John-ACWM
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                                    • Nov 2008
                                    • 20060

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Brujah
                                    And were there any nuns riding bicycles?
                                    mean.

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                                    • Why
                                      MFBA
                                      • Mar 2003
                                      • 7230

                                      #19
                                      im still not sure what part of illegal immigration needs the legalities of it discussed.


                                      get the illegals out, regardless of their driving with or without a license.

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                                      • rogueteens
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                                        • Jul 2006
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                        Reading that article, didnt the accident happen in Mexico?
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                                        • brassmonkey
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by marketsmart
                                          all that red sure likes like salsa to me...



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                                          • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by rogueteens
                                            Reading that article, didnt the accident happen in Mexico?


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                                            • JaneB

                                              #23
                                              Why would anyone be out on bond with two prior DUI's? Illegal or not, that is just fucked up. He should have been in jail.

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                                              • Amputate Your Head
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                                                • Aug 2001
                                                • 39075

                                                #24
                                                It's pretty clear cut to me... we need to make deportation illegal.
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                                                • donkevlar
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                                                  • Sep 2006
                                                  • 4325

                                                  #25
                                                  I love how people take some random ass shit like drunk driving and they're like "see I told you, these damn mexicans are nun killers get em outta the country!"

                                                  We were born to random parents on either side of some imaginary fucking lines in the dirt, grow the fuck up.
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                                                  • donkevlar
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                                                    • Sep 2006
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by RyuLion
                                                    ok, lets Racially profile these stats


                                                    Has anyone seen a DUI report arranged by race?
                                                    Lets see it..
                                                    This graph tells me that the tan colored states are really fucking bad at driving. At least the red states on the graph have an excuse... they were drunk.
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                                                    • dodger21
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                                                      • Jan 2003
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                                                      #27
                                                      and that fucking idiot obama wants to keep protecting these cocksuckers.
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                                                      • donkevlar
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                                                        • Sep 2006
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by dodger21
                                                        and that fucking idiot obama wants to keep protecting these cocksuckers.
                                                        What do you mean by "these cocksuckers"? Drunk drivers?
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                                                        • tony299
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                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                          • 57021

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by dodger21
                                                          and that fucking idiot obama wants to keep protecting these cocksuckers.
                                                          You mean like Bush did and his republican house and senate until they needed something to campaign on?

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                                                          • Joshua G
                                                            dumb libs love censorship
                                                            • Jul 2008
                                                            • 8198

                                                            #30
                                                            One thing that has become clear is that the feds are deliberately letting our borders get over-run. There is no other excuse to sue a state for enforcing the federal law. I mean really, is the problem of americans getting profiled a bigger problem then non english speaking people with no education/skills flooding our country?
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                                                            • crazytrini85
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                                                              • Jun 2006
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                                                              #31
                                                              This will all end with a race war.

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                                                              • Penrod
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by RyuLion
                                                                ok, lets Racially profile these stats


                                                                Has anyone seen a DUI report arranged by race?
                                                                Lets see it..
                                                                Mormons don't seem to drink much??

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                                                                • brassmonkey
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by crazytrini85
                                                                  This will all end with a race war.
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                                                                  • tony299
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Penrod
                                                                    Mormons don't seem to drink much??
                                                                    I think utah is a dry state.

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                                                                    • SomeCreep
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                                                                      • Mar 2003
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      These things happen.

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                                                                      • jimmy-3-way
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by donkevlar
                                                                        I love how people take some random ass shit like drunk driving and they're like "see I told you, these damn mexicans are nun killers get em outta the country!"

                                                                        We were born to random parents on either side of some imaginary fucking lines in the dirt, grow the fuck up.
                                                                        I take your point but it's common knowledge that Mexicans hate nuns as much as they love tequila.
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                                                                        • baddog
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by tony299
                                                                          I think utah is a dry state.
                                                                          There are no dry states.

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                                                                          • Vick!
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude




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                                                                            Look at the smart mofo on left. He is already off the road.
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                                                                            • NetHorse
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Brujah
                                                                              Because only illegal aliens drive drunk. Innocent legal Americans never kill people by driving drunk. I see your point.
                                                                              I knew some faggot would rationalize it with a statement like this.

                                                                              Let me guess, you can rationalize the majority of illegals without drivers licenses by saying "Some Americans do it too".

                                                                              I guess the majority of Illegals not paying taxes is okay too, I mean some American citizens don't either.

                                                                              I guess over 65% of the illegal population not being able to speak English is okay too, since well, fuck some Americans are just dumb so it's the same thing.

                                                                              Since the majority of illegals don't report crimes because they're scared they will be deported is okay too since I'm sure some Americans haven't reported a crime for one reason or another.

                                                                              When an illegal with no license and no clue kills a loved one of yours maybe only then will you be singing a different tune.

                                                                              The worst part is that illegal doesn't give a shit, if he gets deported whooptiedo, he will be back next week, leaching and living off the grid.
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                                                                              • NetHorse
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Why
                                                                                get the illegals out, regardless of their driving with or without a license.
                                                                                and regardless of race, you clowns need to stop pulling the race card. Illegals are illegals, they all cause the same amount of damage.
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                                                                                • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Vick!
                                                                                  Look at the smart mofo on left. He is already off the road.
                                                                                  There is a difference between luck and smartness...

                                                                                  Plain and simple, the Republican party establishment is clearly using the Immigration issue to stoke racial concerns and fears in a cynical attempt to win mid-term congressional and senatorial elections.

                                                                                  If they deeply cared about this issue, the Bush Administration would have done something substantive about it when they ruled the White House for eight years, with a largely cooperative Congress and Senate. They only speak out divisively now, when they are out of power.

                                                                                  It is a desperate ploy by a desperate political party, that is out of equilibrium with the nation, as well as with itself.

                                                                                  Try and reconcile the differences between Willard "Mitt" Romney, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, and Ron Paul.

                                                                                  The Republicans are a party in disarray, currently with no clear leader, to put it mildly/nicely.

                                                                                  The voice of the party is instead found in Fox News political hacks such as Hannity, Beck, and O'Reilly, and other talk show nutjobs such as Limbaugh and Savage, whose modus operandi is fallacy and smear tactics.

                                                                                  Then there is the lunatic activist fringe of the right, the so-called Tea Party, made up mostly of LaRouche-ites, John Birchers, and various other neocons, plus the standard right wing religious kooks, and miscellaneous other tin foil hatters.

                                                                                  The funniest/saddest part of it all, is that it is the wealthy corporate industrialists, military profiteers, and Wall Street financial companies, that are financing most of this so-called movement, and are controlling most of the puppet strings, although they represent the smallest portion of the party in terms of numbers.

                                                                                  The more that the right-wing attempts to wrap themselves in the flag, or in the dogma of the bible (as if they have exclusive ownership of either), and act in typical knee-jerk reactionary fashion, the more that they alienate the rest of America, the majority of people, whom embrace true freedom, equality, and justice, regardless of race, religion or creed - the principals upon which this country was founded, and has grown stronger because of.

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                                                                                  • GatorB
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                                                                                    • Oct 2001
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by RyuLion
                                                                                    ok, lets Racially profile these stats


                                                                                    Has anyone seen a DUI report arranged by race?
                                                                                    Lets see it..
                                                                                    Hawaii the highest. They must have tons of mexicans there then. Montana, ND and Wisconsin are pretty high up there and they are very very white.

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                                                                                    • GatorB
                                                                                      The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                                      • 18208

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Penrod
                                                                                      Mormons don't seem to drink much??
                                                                                      If I had 8 wives I'd be too busy fucking all the time to be drinking.

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                                                                                      • Pipecrew
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                                                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                                                        • 14888

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                        The fact remands
                                                                                        This is his 3rd DUI, Killing a Nun
                                                                                        He had a drivers license, how?
                                                                                        ICE had him before and released him?
                                                                                        Why is there even a waiting time for deportation?
                                                                                        you need a drivers license to operate a car?

                                                                                        Do you think any of these people actually have state issued licenses? think about it.

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                                                                                        • poncabare
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Just goes to show there a lot of illegals here who are not here to work and provide for their families by doing jobs most americans won't. The media always seems to jam down the public's throat that this is the case. Every illegal is a goodie two shoes according to them... On a side note, why don't we have the prisoners pick the fruit and do the gigs we won't do? You telling me the inmates on "good behavior" wouldn't love to get outside for the day? We over 1 million inmates http://www.allcountries.org/uscensus...prisoners.html

                                                                                          seems like a nice labor force to start and we are already paying them to sit in a cage anyways, pseudo free labor.

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                                                                                          • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
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                                                                                            • Jul 2004
                                                                                            • 38323

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Pipecrew
                                                                                            you need a drivers license to operate a car?

                                                                                            Do you think any of these people actually have state issued licenses? think about it.
                                                                                            Welcome to Mexifornia...





                                                                                            Wait! Check out the details on those licenses!?!

                                                                                            Of course, no suburban white kids could ever get a fake ID to buy alcohol or get into nightclubs illegally, right?

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                                                                                            • anexsia
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              I live in Prince William County

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                                                                                              • Vendzilla
                                                                                                Biker Gnome
                                                                                                • Mar 2004
                                                                                                • 23200

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Pipecrew
                                                                                                you need a drivers license to operate a car?

                                                                                                Do you think any of these people actually have state issued licenses? think about it.
                                                                                                Think About it? Read the article, he had one
                                                                                                Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                                                                There is a difference between luck and smartness...

                                                                                                Plain and simple, the Republican party establishment is clearly using the Immigration issue to stoke racial concerns and fears in a cynical attempt to win mid-term congressional and senatorial elections.

                                                                                                If they deeply cared about this issue, the Bush Administration would have done something substantive about it when they ruled the White House for eight years, with a largely cooperative Congress and Senate. They only speak out divisively now, when they are out of power.

                                                                                                It is a desperate ploy by a desperate political party, that is out of equilibrium with the nation, as well as with itself.

                                                                                                Try and reconcile the differences between Willard "Mitt" Romney, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, and Ron Paul.

                                                                                                The Republicans are a party in disarray, currently with no clear leader, to put it mildly/nicely.

                                                                                                The voice of the party is instead found in Fox News political hacks such as Hannity, Beck, and O'Reilly, and other talk show nutjobs such as Limbaugh and Savage, whose modus operandi is fallacy and smear tactics.

                                                                                                Then there is the lunatic activist fringe of the right, the so-called Tea Party, made up mostly of LaRouche-ites, John Birchers, and various other neocons, plus the standard right wing religious kooks, and miscellaneous other tin foil hatters.

                                                                                                The funniest/saddest part of it all, is that it is the wealthy corporate industrialists, military profiteers, and Wall Street financial companies, that are financing most of this so-called movement, and are controlling most of the puppet strings, although they represent the smallest portion of the party in terms of numbers.

                                                                                                The more that the right-wing attempts to wrap themselves in the flag, or in the dogma of the bible (as if they have exclusive ownership of either), and act in typical knee-jerk reactionary fashion, the more that they alienate the rest of America, the majority of people, whom embrace true freedom, equality, and justice, regardless of race, religion or creed - the principals upon which this country was founded, and has grown stronger because of.

                                                                                                ADG
                                                                                                This has pissed me off for a couple decades, remember prop 187? Administrations have been doing nothing for a long time and Obamanation has put his foot down that he WILL NOT do anything and is draggin down the DNC with him. This with the economy, jobs numbers and two senators facing ethics charges will spell doom in a few months. Obama did this to the democratic party.

                                                                                                Arizona law aside, people feel like they have lost their right to vote, they also feel like they have lost their right to protect themselves, people are dieing, violence is all over the state of Arizona and the rest of the border states.

                                                                                                If you think this is about freedom, fine, they have the freedom to apply for citizenship the legal way. People do it all the time.

                                                                                                BTW, hard to call the Tea Party a fringe group, they have a caucus now in Washington
                                                                                                http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...-party-caucus/
                                                                                                Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                think about that

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                                                                                                • Vendzilla
                                                                                                  Biker Gnome
                                                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                                                  • 23200

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by anexsia
                                                                                                  I live in Prince William County
                                                                                                  you guys passed your immigration law thats a lot like what Arizona is trying to do, what have been the benefits and problems with it?
                                                                                                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                  think about that

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                                                                                                  • Tom_PM
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Of course he shouldnt have had a drivers license. There should be very little tolerance for being drunk and operating a vehicle. I'm not for zero tolerance stuff, but I dont see why people get several chances to offend before they're severely punished for some things.. like drunk driving, or being in the country illegally. My friend and his little brother got no second or third chances when a drunk asshole killed them.
                                                                                                    43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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