Flash is dead. Long live HTML5 [VID]

[DamianJ]

In case you haven't seen this:

http://jilion.com/sublime/video

[Tanker]

FF not supported

[hypedough]

Video doesn't play on Chrome.

[tabasco]

browser not supported lulz

[Paper_Amar]

browser not supported and i am on FF

[Odin]

Works on my chrome.

[DamianJ]

Well your browsers all suck. :D

Supported browsers:

Safari (v4.0.4+)
Google Chrome (v4.0+)
Internet Explorer with Chrome Frame installed

Email your browsers' dev teams and ask when they are going to catch up with Safari and Chrome?

:D

It does look really nice, to be fair. Worth checking out. And, the thing is, this will be...free. Adobe must be shitting bricks.

[BradM]

browser not supported.

seems flash has some life left.

[xenigo]

Video doesn't play on Chrome.

Plays great for me... looks incredible. I'm stoked.

[Domain Diva]

Played fine for me in chrome......looked cool

[Cyber Fucker]

browser not supported.

seems flash has some life left.

Yup

[MetaMan]

Apple is getting to cocky, i cant wait when the biggest douche bag companies shitty ipad goes no where.

[Amputate Your Head]

HTML 5 is not going to kill or replace Flash any time soon.
Get used to it.

[_Richard_]

Apple is getting to cocky, i cant wait when the biggest douche bag companies shitty ipad goes no where.

[Voodoo]

Yeah, Flash is dead alright. ;-/

[DamianJ]

Yeah, Flash is dead alright. ;-/

Well. Let's have a think about that.

One is free and is good.

One costs money and is good.

[Basic_man]

Looks damn nice !!

[Quagmire]

[Voodoo]

Well. Let's have a think about that.

One is free and is good.

One costs money and is good.

And to continue thinking...

One has near 100% market share.

The other has nearly 0%.

And to continue thinking...

Everyone is already developing with Flash. Try getting them to switch over to HTML5.

Herding cats?

[garce]

Isn't working in Opera, either

[dyna mo]

it will be a flash in the pan.

[DamianJ]

And to continue thinking...

One has near 100% market share.

The other has nearly 0%.

And to continue thinking...

Everyone is already developing with Flash. Try getting them to switch over to HTML5.

Herding cats?

OK, I was referring to using flash as a video playback device. Nothing more.

And yes, clearly now, the market share is vastly different. But it won't be that way for very long. And if I were adobe, I would be worried about coming up with a reason why people should pay for your license over just doing <video> and it looking like that demo I linked to originally. Wouldn't you?

[Bossman]

Just downloaded the latest version of Chrome, and it worked

Programmers that have worked with us on previous flash video projects are raving about html 5... would be kick ass to by pass flash.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

FF not supported

Stunning display of HTML5's prowess

[Tube Ace]

didn't work in safari, but works in google chrome. thanks for posting.

[DamianJ]

Stunning display of HTML5's prowess

Of FF's prowess you mean? Chrome and Safari manage to cope just fine

:P

[brand0n]

worked here and looked great.

[dougeetx]

LAME! How can you not support FF? It's one of if not the most popular browser out there.

[1200mics]

Doesn't support FF and video can't load in my Safari 4.0.4. either.

[MetaMan]

http://jilion.com/

scroll down to "people" DamianJ are you one of these douche bags?

typical apple douche bag guys. LOLZ

and flash is dead? UM? LOLZ

[digitaldivas]

works in safari

[burntfilm]

It's a nice player, this mp4 that I'm getting looks great... Still a ways away, if the dudes on old ie or firefox can't play it it's of no use to any of us yet

[flip.green]

It might have legs http://www.youtube.com/html5

[DBS.US]

Works fine on my Mac/Safari

[Sid70]

works just fine in my chrome.

[CyberHustler]

It might have legs http://www.youtube.com/html5

I just signed up to watch youtube videos in HTML5 and it's a 90 million percent improvement.... No pauses and shit. Chrome just won me over... I love weed.

[weekly]

Well your browsers all suck. :D

Supported browsers:

Safari (v4.0.4+)
Google Chrome (v4.0+)
Internet Explorer with Chrome Frame installed

Email your browsers' dev teams and ask when they are going to catch up with Safari and Chrome?

:D

It does look really nice, to be fair. Worth checking out. And, the thing is, this will be...free. Adobe must be shitting bricks.

Not an auspicious start

[Young]

Apple is getting to cocky, i cant wait when the biggest douche bag companies shitty ipad goes no where.

What does HTML5 have to do with Apple being cocky?

HTML5 is an emerging standard. It will soon take over in a few years. Pretty much has 0 to do with Apple except for the fact that Apple realizes that not needing 3rd party plugin is the way to go.

[bronco67]

yeah, that's so much like Flash.

[Young]

It might have legs http://www.youtube.com/html5

It's HTML5 lol

It might have legs? It will be the standard one day.

Is this really a forum full of webmasters?

[weekly]

so does that mean that all flash videos will have to be re encoded for this player? Can you imagine the volume of work?

[Caligari]

page says support soon for FF, sounds great looking forward to using this!

[Deej]

Crazy Brits!

[BFT3K]

It's a slap in the face to Adobe. Apple was upset that they couldn't get Flash to work on their iPhone. I'm pretty sure HTML5 will work fine on the iPhone.

[Young]

so does that mean that all flash videos will have to be re encoded for this player? Can you imagine the volume of work?

HTML5 has native H.264. You just call up the video.

So to answer your question....just use the original files. No need to re encode anything.

[weekly]

HTML5 has native H.264. You just call up the video.

So to answer your question....just use the original files. No need to re encode anything.

cool...if they make it easy, I could get on board. I am just one little guy with hundreds and hundreds of videos that I am already encoding h.264 in various sizes as well as wmv. The madness has to stop somewhere and I think people will make a stand based on that. So if this latest delivery system doesn't cost me....and thousands of others....many of them who have sold their products world wide...a lot of grief, it could work. I would rather settle for something that may not be quite as good, but is accepted by most and is already processed and marketed.

[Big John]

What does HTML5 have to do with Apple being cocky?

HTML5 is an emerging standard. It will soon take over in a few years. Pretty much has 0 to do with Apple except for the fact that Apple realizes that not needing 3rd party plugin is the way to go.

Not true at all - look into the companies making up the group that holds HTML5 patents...

It is a needed emerging standard but is also very much about apple being cocky and trying to drive Flash out of the market where it can.

[baddog]

Adobe must be shitting bricks.

For some reason, I have my doubts.

[DVTimes]

Adobe CTO Kevin Lynch Defends Flash, Warns HTML5 Will Throw The Web "Back To The Dark Ages Of Video"

Adobe's Flash technology has been taking a beating lately. Apple still won't support it on its upcoming iPad or its iPhone. Steve Jobs calls it buggy and crash-prone and dismisses Adobe as being lazy. Adobe is trying to fight the negative vibes emanating from Cupertino and elsewhere. It has already pointed out that it will be easy to convert Flash apps into iPad apps, and now CTO Kevin Lynch is weighing in to defend Flash.

In a blog post today, Lynch addresses the two major threats to Flash: Apple's refusal to support it on mobile touchscreen devices and the rise of HTML5 as a new, open standard which may one day replace Flash. On Apple, Lynch says Adobe is ready and able to put Flash on the iPhone, the iPad or anything else Apple can throw its way. But, as has been the case for more than a year, the ball is in Apple's court:

We are ready to enable Flash in the browser on these devices if and when Apple chooses to allow that for its users, but to date we have not had the required cooperation from Apple to make this happen.

Lynch points out that the next version of Flash for smartphones, 10.1, is about to become available and that practically all other smartphones will support it, including Android, Blackberry, Nokia, and Palm Pre. If they can handle it, why can't an iPhone?

But the bigger long-term threat to Flash is HTML5, especially for rendering video. Lynch says that 75 percent of video on the Web currently is shown in a Flash player. That number could decline if HTML5 video starts to take off. Google (via YouTube, Chrome, and other products) and others are pushing HTML5 hard. Lynch tries to pretend that HTML5 is not a threat, saying in the same breadth that Adobe supports HTML5, but its incompatibilities across browsers spells doom for the Web. He writes:

Adobe supports HTML and its evolution and we look forward to adding more capabilities to our software around HTML as it evolves. If HTML could reliably do everything Flash does that would certainly save us a lot of effort, but that does not appear to be coming to pass. Even in the case of video, where Flash is enabling over 75% of video on the Web today, the coming HTML video implementations cannot agree on a common format across browsers, so users and content creators would be thrown back to the dark ages of video on the Web with incompatibility issues.

HTML5 is still a young technology, and those incompatibility issues can be solved over time. Flash is still a more capable technology when it comes to rendering video, but HTML5 is advancing faster and as a native Web standard it has many other advantages which may help it win over time.

Adobe is in a battle for developers, who buy its Creative Suite software to make Flash apps. As long as Flash is the de facto standard for video and animation on the Web, those sales will not be threatened. But if Flash developers migrate to other technologies to build better apps for the Web and mobile devices such as the iPhone and iPad, Adobe's competitive position will be weakened. It will defend Flash to the death.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020201812.html

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