Open Meeting in London today about XXX and more

[Cherry7]

The Adult Industry Trade Ass is holding an open meeting at 5 pm (British Standard Summmer Time ) at 18 Great Queen Street WC2B 5DG to discuss


1) XXX with Vaughn Liley

2) Pete Johnson from ATVOD

Important to be there as this will be two more hurdles to doing busines in the UK.

[GonZo]

The Adult Industry Trade Ass is holding an open meeting at 5 pm (British Standard Summmer Time ) at 18 Great Queen Street WC2B 5DG to discuss


1) XXX with Vaughn Liley

2) Pete Johnson from ATVOD

Important to be there as this will be two more hurdles to doing busines in the UK.

Will you be signing the NDA so you can have a more "frank" conversation?

[Dwreck]

expect a Chris 3.0 comment in 5
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[TheDA]

The Adult Industry Trade Ass is holding an open meeting at 5 pm (British Standard Summmer Time ) at 18 Great Queen Street WC2B 5DG to discuss


1) XXX with Vaughn Liley

2) Pete Johnson from ATVOD

Important to be there as this will be two more hurdles to doing busines in the UK.

What will be 2 more hurdles? Why do you think XXX will effect doing business in the UK?

[Cherry7]

I will be able to say more after the meeting, but both are attempts to control and regulate what we do on the internet.

Both involve paying money and both threaten measures for non compliance.

[Cherry7]

Will you be signing the NDA so you can have a more "frank" conversation?

I don't understand what you mean. NDA ?

I will say what I think.

[C H R I S]

Sorry Im slow today.......

Please kick Vaughn in the balls for me, softly and gently.... no but seriously say hello to the old chap for me.

[GonZo]

I don't understand what you mean. NDA ?

I will say what I think.

Non disclosure agreement

So they can tell you exactly what they are up to and how you can get over on the rest of the biz by coming aboard with them.

A tactic that cockholsters like Chris use so you feel like your one of the cool kids and one of the porn royalty.

[Loki]

I will be able to say more after the meeting, but both are attempts to control and regulate what we do on the internet.

Both involve paying money and both threaten measures for non compliance.

Can you explain what the ATVOD has to do with the internet, I've only skimmed through their site and pdf's but from all I've read that's TV On Demand, Not Internet, at least what I got from it. (unless your selling programing to them maybe?)

Deff curious though cause it would be easy for our On Demand systems to follow suit here in the states

-Loki-

[Cherry7]

I will let you know how it goes.....

[DamianJ]

I will be able to say more after the meeting, but both are attempts to control and regulate what we do on the internet.

Both involve paying money and both threaten measures for non compliance.

Not quite.

Both are attempts to extract money from the gullible by scaring them into thinking they actually have any authority, or are going to get any authority. Neither of which are true.

[DamianJ]

Can you explain what the ATVOD has to do with the internet, I've only skimmed through their site and pdf's but from all I've read that's TV On Demand, Not Internet, at least what I got from it. (unless your selling programing to them maybe?)

Deff curious though cause it would be easy for our On Demand systems to follow suit here in the states

-Loki-

It's for "tv-like services" on the internet AFAIK

So porn sites are not even slightly effected.

*NB I am not a lawyer, I might be talking shit.

[Loki]

It's for "tv-like services" on the internet AFAIK

So porn sites are not even slightly effected.

*NB I am not a lawyer, I might be talking shit.

I didn't even find any mention of "internet" in my searching of them lol, everything I saw lead me to think/comprehend TV ON DEMAND, there WERE a few "Playboy must comply with...." searches BUT they DO have On Demand channels on various systems IE Charter cable, Cox Cable, Time Warner cable.

I really think you're right with your prior post, trying to MAKE people believe they have the auth, when it has nothing to do with the service you actually provide....

Now like I said in my initial post, IF you create content for on demand systems then this MIGHT apply to you.

Either way I'm interested to see where this goes.

-Loki-

[Cherry7]

It's for "tv-like services" on the internet AFAIK

So porn sites are not even slightly effected.

*NB I am not a lawyer, I might be talking shit.

I hope you are right, but from what I read they want to control any site that supplies "TV like programmes" on demand and makes its own product.

Not sites that have free uploads like tubes, but sites with what they define as editoral control...

[DamianJ]

I didn't even find any mention of "internet" in my searching of them

Under section 368A of the Act, a service will be an ?on-demand programme service‟,
and therefore subject to notification and regulation, if it meets all of following criteria.
a) It includes TV-like programmes: the service includes programmes whose form
and content are comparable to the form and content of programmes of a kind
normally included in television programme services;
b) It is a VOD service: the service enables users to select individual programmes
from among the programmes included in the service, to receive the selected
programme using an electronic communications network,1 and to view the
selected programme when the user chooses;
c) There is editorial responsibility: the programmes comprising the service are
under a person‟s editorial responsibility; and
d) It is made available to the public: the service is made available by that person
for use by members of the public

[Cherry7]

Under section 368A of the Act, a service will be an ?on-demand programme service‟,
and therefore subject to notification and regulation, if it meets all of following criteria.
a) It includes TV-like programmes: the service includes programmes whose form
and content are comparable to the form and content of programmes of a kind
normally included in television programme services;
b) It is a VOD service: the service enables users to select individual programmes
from among the programmes included in the service, to receive the selected
programme using an electronic communications network,1 and to view the
selected programme when the user chooses;
c) There is editorial responsibility: the programmes comprising the service are
under a person‟s editorial responsibility; and
d) It is made available to the public: the service is made available by that person
for use by members of the public

So it could effect porn sites that control their own content ?

[Loki]

Under section 368A of the Act, a service will be an ?on-demand programme service‟,
and therefore subject to notification and regulation, if it meets all of following criteria.
a) It includes TV-like programmes: the service includes programmes whose form
and content are comparable to the form and content of programmes of a kind
normally included in television programme services;
b) It is a VOD service: the service enables users to select individual programmes
from among the programmes included in the service, to receive the selected
programme using an electronic communications network,1 and to view the
selected programme when the user chooses;
c) There is editorial responsibility: the programmes comprising the service are
under a person‟s editorial responsibility; and
d) It is made available to the public: the service is made available by that person
for use by members of the public

Yeah I read that but it doesn't "name" internet by name, I did a bit more digging through their website and it SEEMS that my theory is looking more and more "right"

"Boxoffice365, Cartoon Network, Boomerang, Boing, ITV Studios"

"Discovery Video On-Demand"

These are all "on demand" channels that I can get right now via my local cable company (sans boing and ITV studios I think those are UK companies)

I found this page: http://www.atvod.co.uk/regulated-ser...words/internet

it SEEMS that the above ones I named are being packaged into these new "internet ready" TV's and with the TV's you will get these VOD packages.

Reading more and more, it SEEMS they want to know WHO is offering packages to VOD systems, WHAT is in the packages and WHAT is the "ratings" if they deem it to be "unfit" for the general audience then the content MUST be kept from children using a "pin code" or "credit card verification" or "account holder verification"

Just like here in our house if something is rated higher then PG-13 you can NOT order it / watch it without putting in my pincode, or calling the cable company and proving you're me or my wife, answering the account questions to unlock my cable boxes.

I do that to keep the kids from watching shit I don't want them to.

That's how this is reading to me at least....

BUT by using blanket terms they can sure make it seem like it's about "you"

-Loki-

[DamianJ]

Yup certainly does seem that way, but I have one client who also is a broadcaster on TV here and they are paying up for the online side, after legal advice.

Whether that is right or not, who knows. But they were sent letters and acquiesced.

[Loki]

So it could effect porn sites that control their own content ?

From how I'm reading it and understanding it ONLY if you are leasing or selling that content to a cable company IE Broadcast license.

Here in the states cable companies have "On Demand" if you pay for HBO you automatically get the HBO On Demand channel activated in your On Demand system (chan 0 for me) with that channel I can watch most of HBO's programming whenever I want to / have time to.

Another example is an add on package I have called "To hot for tv" it's an extra $9.95 per month and it features 6 categories, there I can watch episodes of Naked News, Jerry Springer, Cheaters, Blind Date, old ass Girls gone Wild specials, and a slew of soft core porn (you know like whats on Cinimax after dark lol)

There is also a Howard Stern On Demand package, WWE on demand package, Disney movie package, and so on and so on, all that I've read on their official site leads back to stuff like this.... and lately some of these companies are now extending from TV to the internet... HBO just released HBO GO a few months back, IF you pay for HBO, AND you're provider is included in the beta at the moment, you can watch HBO on your cellphone or computer for free.

-Loki-

[Loki]

I'm reading more on their site and this shit is actually hilarious...

they are going after the big companies who have "channels" and online presences, below is their claim against MTV's UK version Viva.TV...

Each element of the service, as listed above, contains programmes the form and content of which is comparable to that normally included in television programme services. All of them are preceded by adverts and the music videos follow the conventions of music videos found on broadcast music TV channels and also on general entertainment channels. Indeed, many of the videos will themselves have been shown on broadcast television. ATVOD’s published ‘Guidance on who needs to notify’ states that music videos are likely to be viewed as ‘TV-like’ programmes.

So yeah... "TV online"... pay the ATVOD... WOW

-Loki-

[MaDalton]

Vaughn Liley said he understands as much of adult internet as any other consumer of adult sites. ask him if he learned something over the last 1.5 years

[TheDA]

I will be able to say more after the meeting, but both are attempts to control and regulate what we do on the internet.

Both involve paying money and both threaten measures for non compliance.

I seriously don't think they will be able to control what we do on the internet. Be interesting to hear what they are doing though.

If you see Jerry tell him we all said hello

[Cherry7]

Pete Johnson from ATVOD

Said they are going to register and regulate (fee £2,900 ) sites which...

1) Make TV like programmers - porn he said is TV programmer like !

2) Has content on demand

3) Has editorial control - decides whats on the site

4) for the public

5) UK based (Host location not important - where editorial decisions made )

The guy was a real hack and a jobs worth.

Tube sites not effected as they do not decide editorial content.

Sites that register will be censored, regulated and have to pay for it too.

EU laws but each country interpreting them in their own sweet way.

On the XXX front no new news, in fact a rather lack luster presentation, offering nothing except high registration fees and a anti virus program. Feeling that this was not a real problem and will die a natural death after scamming a lot of fees off people of a nervous disposition.

The was a discussion about where is the best place to locate an adult business, Prague , Spain, Cyprus or Switzerland ?

[halfpint]

More and more regulation of the internet...

[MaDalton]

On the XXX front no new news, in fact a rather lack luster presentation, offering nothing except high registration fees and a anti virus program. Feeling that this was not a real problem and will die a natural death after scamming a lot of fees off people of a nervous disposition.

i think you are onto something here

The was a discussion about where is the best place to locate an adult business, Prague , Spain, Cyprus or Switzerland ?

Prague only when you want to shoot, Czech bureaucracy is nothing for the weak...

[C H R I S]

Hot off the press... baddog coverage of this meeting......




Baddog always gets the good shots.....

[Cherry7]

i think you are onto something here




Prague only when you want to shoot, Czech bureaucracy is nothing for the weak...

We shoot in Prague, and use a lot of models from there, what would be the problems about moving there ?

In fact all we would need to do is make editorial decisions there.

[MaDalton]

We shoot in Prague, and use a lot of models from there, what would be the problems about moving there ?

In fact all we would need to do is make editorial decisions there.

heh - i live in CZ, it's no problem at all. but the question was where to locate an adult business, and that does not automatically mean shooting content. and if you dont shoot content, you are better off in other countries with less taxes and less bureaucratic hassle.

hence my answer above...

[Cherry7]

So in the UK with 20% income Tax, 20% VAT very high housing, heating and transport costs....

How does that compare ?

[MaDalton]

So in the UK with 20% income Tax, 20% VAT very high housing, heating and transport costs....

How does that compare ?

sorry, i dont get your question. you had 4 countries on your list, i said Czech Republic is not under all circumstances the best choice for an adult business.

[DVTimes]

to be honest, i do not think .xxx is anything to worry about.

.mobi is a flop.

did mobile sites need to move to .mobi? no.

in 5 years time perople will be selling the .xxx domains they purchased hoping to make a profit with for next to nothing.

yes, a lot will buy .xxx, but only hoping to sell on.

the great thing about .xxx is the high price. if it was cheap people would buy a few for the heck of it. but at such a high price not many will bother.

the simple option is we all agree not to promote any .xxx site, or even if they have a .xxx on there system.

[JFK]

It's for "tv-like services" on the internet AFAIK

So porn sites are not even slightly effected.

*NB I am not a lawyer, I might be talking shit.

You talking Shit ?? NAAAAAAWWWWW....... that'll never happen

[DamianJ]

You talking Shit ?? NAAAAAAWWWWW....... that'll never happen

Post another salad bar pic.

[nikki99]

i luv londonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[JFK]

Post another salad bar pic.

will a salad bowl do ?



I really going overboard for you here, how about the entire Salad bar as well


and for dessert


Geezer would be so proud of you for reqesting these

[DamianJ]

Geezer would be so proud of you for reqesting these

Hehehe.

And about 16 people reading this board got that joke.



and back to the topic:

http://www.advanced-television.com/i...ly-with-atvod/

[VIXEN ESCORTS]

What does the term "TV like" mean ? It seems from what he said at the meeting any kind of video whatsoever, so why not say that, what would be UN tvlike ?

[VIXEN ESCORTS]

Suddenly the idea of blocking all porn at ISP level looks really bright !

[Cherry7]

What does the term "TV like" mean ? It seems from what he said at the meeting any kind of video whatsoever, so why not say that, what would be UN tvlike ?

Yes, that was the picture that was drawn, I read also thet Playboy said their stuff would never be on TV therefore it was not TV like, and lost.

I think this is stupid as there are several reasons why we could say a lot of porn content is NOT TV like, it does not meet the minimum technical standards for TV, it is shot for the most part on amateur cameras, poor sub standard sound, not edited or graded...and a quality less than SD ( yes even the pretend porn HD ) ....It would never be shown on a drama or doc, maybe news......

[VIXEN ESCORTS]

Right clicking on a wmv file, downloading it then double clicking it to view would be UN tvlike ? Pedantic difference maybe but given that the thrust of this most ridiculous quango is to protect childrens morals............yet it only applies to the UK. It doesn't cover photos, live streams, tubes. Atvod is the UK's answer to the EU directive, be interesting to see how other EU countries interpret it.

[VIXEN ESCORTS]

I might get my hot girlfriend Majela Zeze Diamond to write a ditty about Atvod

[DamianJ]

Right clicking on a wmv file, downloading it then double clicking it to view would be UN tvlike ? Pedantic difference maybe but given that the thrust of this most ridiculous quango is to protect childrens morals............yet it only applies to the UK. It doesn't cover photos, live streams, tubes. Atvod is the UK's answer to the EU directive, be interesting to see how other EU countries interpret it.

If you think it is about protecting children and not generating money, well, I don't think you get it!

[VIXEN ESCORTS]

"Pedantic difference maybe but given that the thrust of this most ridiculous quango is to protect childrens morals............yet it only applies to the UK."

Their words not mine, I get it very well thanks. Maybe I should elaborate, if "tvlike videos" exist then surely there must be some "UN tvlike videos" I'd like a definition of a video that is UN tvlike. I can't really imagine what one would look like. There must be some small pedantic difference between the two. I was actually casting aspertions on their remit to protect childrens morals by highlighting the fact that it only applies to the UK and does not effect, tubes, live streams, photos, Majela Zeze Diamond or UN tvlike programs.

[ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE]

You guys are Completely misunderstanding what it is about.
I mean completely...

Just reading this thread made my fucking head hurt.

But I will be really brief.
They want a system that is subject to regulation and fee's for on demand services Ad hoc Internet Based VOD and Cable.

There is a convergence coming and .XXX wants a piece.

Quicker translation. .XXX operators whom own there own content may become subject to fee's by the regulation authority in the UK however in return may get further on demand distribution of there content to consumers.

The concept is basic the idea is not solid. Internet/TV convergence is imminent and some people want to try and lock down distribution but that simply will not happen. The internet is more fluid than water and the largest open source beast mankind has ever known.

The convergence will happen in the next couple years and it is expected people will no longer need cable but just internet based access.

.XXX would be a channel for such on demand content.

[VIXEN ESCORTS]

You guys are Completely misunderstanding what it is about.
I mean completely...

Just reading this thread made my fucking head hurt.

Thanks for clearing that up !

[DVTimes]

http://www.atvod.co.uk/

[VIXEN ESCORTS]

"They want a system that is subject to regulation and fee's for on demand services."
NO SHIT

[VIXEN ESCORTS]

Question is will DVT pay £250 per site times 6 per year or roll them into one and still not be able to afford the fee.

[VIXEN ESCORTS]

".XXX operators whom own there own content"

How and who would determine that ? I own my own content exclusive, I buy content, I am an affiliate, I register a .xxx domain mix it all up. Who's going to do that ? Answer: nobody

".XXX operators may become subject to fee's by the regulation authority in the UK"

This is possible but I don't see how it's specifically related to ATVOD

"however in return may get further on demand distribution of there content to consumers."

Not sure you understand the UK, unless you mean getting hardcore on Sky, that isn't happening ever and even less chance now Atvod exist.

[DamianJ]

"Pedantic difference maybe but given that the thrust of this most ridiculous quango is to protect childrens morals............yet it only applies to the UK."

Their words not mine, I get it very well thanks. Maybe I should elaborate, if "tvlike videos" exist then surely there must be some "UN tvlike videos" I'd like a definition of a video that is UN tvlike. I can't really imagine what one would look like. There must be some small pedantic difference between the two. I was actually casting aspertions on their remit to protect childrens morals by highlighting the fact that it only applies to the UK and does not effect, tubes, live streams, photos, Majela Zeze Diamond or UN tvlike programs.

Sorry. People usually use quotes when using other people's words, hence my confusion

And yes tv like is brilliant wording

Basically they can and will go after any and all porn sites operating in the uk and generate shit loads of cash

Brilliantly clever