How Live Sex Will Save The Porn Industry

[Gozarian]

The girls never earned that much, the senior programmer earned more and with his taxes it was close to 1,000 an hour. Or maybe guys on 20,000 a month take home is good enough to get a decent team of mangers.

1000CZK per hour wtf that is 53USD impossible

Those girls must have no clue. Our WORST girl does between 1800usd and 2600usd per month - in a country where the average wage is 400$ per MONTH.

[Paul Markham]

http://www.worldsalaries.org/czechrepublic.shtml

Cut the bullshit guys. That was 2005.

http://laboureconomics.wordpress.com...cular-spheres/

http://www.payscale.com/research/CZ/...epublic/Salary

For more reading.

Gozarian yes you operate where it's cheaper. How long did it take you to learn how to run a webcam studio?

[Gozarian]

5 minutes. no seriously it isnt that difficult. The obvious equipment throw in a server, network the place and a fiber optic connection. If you have ever managed people cam girls arent much different just need to find their motivators. For most girls the inner temptress comes out pretty quickly. Coach them up a little on the western male psyche and soon they are producing. We do many things which I will keep close to the vest to enhance their earnings. But it is no rocket science.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Assuming the dead parrot will come alive is even more delusional. Committing $250 to the delusion is enough to get you put in an asylum. Barry is asking me to pony up for him, I'm not asking him for anything.

Scroll back -- I already said I thought this was not for you.

You apparently would not risk the investment (that is assuming you had the funds) and with your health situation and age I couldn't recommend that you assume the risks. Don't be offended; I wouldn't invest in a studio business here at my age and health status either.

Your point of the employment costs there is probably valid and that may be why there are just a few independent models in the Czech Republic. I will concede that to employ people in some places in this business and pay all government mandated taxes and benefits may not be realistic.

However, search the 'laws of agency' for your locale (independent contractor's agreements). Nothing says you need a building and a place of employment (studio sets and network facilities) to operate a studio account with us, or for that matter; most any other camsite.

If you can't think out of the box these days adapt or die has meaning.

If anyone else grasps what I am saying I would be happy to discuss it with you -- Paul has already told you why you cannot make any money in cams his way ...

[Gozarian]

Heck this week in 2005 1000czk was trading at .0420 that equates to $42 per hour which is steep by any standards.

[MaDalton]

http://www.payscale.com/research/CZ/...epublic/Salary

Senior Software Developer in CZ: $28,854 PER YEAR

1000czk per hour = roughly $108,500 per year

when some is telling bullshit here it's you

[Eyeball]

After a few webcam chats you realise they are a load of shit and go back to wanking over a proffesional slut in a free porn movie on a tube site.

[Gozarian]

Sound like most wankers who let the little head control the big one! Funny how they keep coming back week after week, month after month, year after year.

Static porn cannot replace live and if the girl has a modicum of common sense and communication ability she can keep them as customers for many moons. Hell I know girls that have the same customers for more than 5 years and they are paying almost each day!

[adultmobile]

After a few webcam chats you realise they are a load of shit and go back to wanking over a proffesional slut in a free porn movie on a tube site.

Guys who spend big money in cams rarely wank, they just talk them about own boring life.

[PornMD]

Manwin will make a completely free ad-driven cam site where they simply pay some desperate 3rd-world cam girls a fixed amount and they'll tubeize the cam industry.

Cams and dating are pretty much the last bastions, though I'm admittedly shocked that there are still content producers around. I thought by now tubes would have completely killed off production of new content.

[adultmobile]

Manwin will make a completely free ad-driven cam site where they simply pay some desperate 3rd-world cam girls a fixed amount and they'll tubeize the cam industry.

Sites like that exists since some years already
In fact manwin it is late in such a game.

[Eyeball]

Guys who spend big money in cams rarely wank, they just talk them about own boring life.

The old cam whale chestnut. It's what drives newbies into trying to convert cams.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Manwin will make a completely free ad-driven cam site where they simply pay some desperate 3rd-world cam girls a fixed amount and they'll tubeize the cam industry.

Cams and dating are pretty much the last bastions, though I'm admittedly shocked that there are still content producers around. I thought by now tubes would have completely killed off production of new content.

So why haven't they?

They cannot; People will not work for the prices that videos can -- end of discussion.

[Gozarian]

Manwin will make a completely free ad-driven cam site where they simply pay some desperate 3rd-world cam girls a fixed amount and they'll tubeize the cam industry.

They cant even do anything with webcams - the place is a ghetto.

Guys who spend big money in cams rarely wank, they just talk them about own boring life.

shhhh dont tell everyone


Barry - touche

[totalsexcams]

hi money talks

[Gozarian]

hi money talks

yes and if every performer was as productive as little red bunny life would be grand :P

[Barry-xlovecam]

yes and if every performer was as productive as little red bunny life would be grand :P

No shit ;)

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[Paul Markham]

Scroll back -- I already said I thought this was not for you.

You apparently would not risk the investment (that is assuming you had the funds) and with your health situation and age I couldn't recommend that you assume the risks. Don't be offended; I wouldn't invest in a studio business here at my age and health status either.

Your point of the employment costs there is probably valid and that may be why there are just a few independent models in the Czech Republic. I will concede that to employ people in some places in this business and pay all government mandated taxes and benefits may not be realistic.

However, search the 'laws of agency' for your locale (independent contractor's agreements). Nothing says you need a building and a place of employment (studio sets and network facilities) to operate a studio account with us, or for that matter; most any other camsite.

If you can't think out of the box these days adapt or die has meaning.

If anyone else grasps what I am saying I would be happy to discuss it with you -- Paul has already told you why you cannot make any money in cams his way ...

We were discussing your original offer. We knew it was never for us and that's why we never took any of the webcam ones made to us.

We have the money and by not going crazy, risking it on a crazy scheme, bigger house or buying a new car when the one we have is perfect. It will last long into Eva['s retirement and who knows might give our daughter the down payment for a house. To gamble that on any scheme isn't worth it. To spend it on looking like a pimp isn't worth it.

Gozarian is partly right. But I'm not able to work 24/7 so need good managers to make sure everything is running smoothly. These people here cost money. Because Czech mentality is very much 9-5 and then they stop and go home, they don't seem to have the Western drive and ambition. When you find one that does, can speak English well. He's going to want a very good wage. Maybe it's different where he is.

However getting girls to work from home on webcams Now that might work for them. If you want some pointers I can put you in touch with the people who will find the girls only. You will have to take it from there, unless they want to install webcams. Which is unlikely, they didn't have a great reputation here when we worked, might of changed.

PornMD free dating is by far better than what we sell. Free cams will explode and guys who used to go for the older method will move over. People with paysite will tell you how buyers standards drop when it's free.

[Barry-xlovecam]

However getting girls to work from home on webcams Now that might work for them. If you want some pointers

No thanks, but I might pay some finders fees for models ready to work. There are already 10's of thousands of experienced and enabled models. There are opportunities for interested persons.

Become a studio 4 model minimum *(see bottom for studio sign ups)
http://www.xlovecam.com/sex-cam-live...o-sign-up.html

We have 6,000+ models that work monthly now
Requirements and rates are shown on that page.

Special deals for USA (Brazil too) Models

http://model.camgirlamerica.com/?p=ins_anim

[helterskelter808]

Yes but will you find an USA cam girl who smile always, and answer nice to every not paying idiot posting not funny statements?

Gimme a break. Any cam girl, from anywhere, who has been working for more than five minutes will ignore guests. And so they should, given that most of the traffic sent to their room, by clueless affiliates, is a waste of time.

The west europe one will smile to failed jokes of the guys (including she does not understood english so smiles to be safe) so they will feel super funny and a success and will want to be with her more.

Believe it or not, having the sincerity of a prostitute and a permanent rictus grin are not appealing to some people.

[ilnjscb]

but i would never go into running some webcam business, i rather put my penis into a waffle iron

[adultmobile]

They cant even do anything with webcams - the place is a ghetto.

Webcams.com was an honest site before 2010 when manwin buy it, and it kept honest today too, it misses no particular features or promo tools. Just every manwin tube and member area sent (and still sends) traffic to streamate instead. And who buy trafficjunky banners on manwin tubes, sends this traffic to various cam sites except webcams really; so no wonder webcams did not benefit from being a manwin property.

This is not necessarily odd: I bet manwin try to sent traffic to webcams.com for a while and figures they make more profit as affiliates of streamate (and/or to sell ad space) than to send to own cam site.

This is not an isolated case. Few weeks ago the AEBN's own custom cam site xpeeps.com , after a year of operations in beta, it was converted in a streamate whitelabel. Got to know it as they emailed models of the change with few days advance notice.

So Live Sex will save the Porn Industry, but most of the Porn Industry can not run a cam site that it is profitable. They will send traffic to the same 5 or 6 cam operators, and make money this way, more than if they "owned and operated" the cam site.

[Nookster]

?Fornicators will suffer the vengeance of eternal fire? ? Jude 7

Yet you're here on gfy...

[flyfishing]

Sounds legit.

That's good money. Time to convert all my sites to cams :D

[Barry-xlovecam]

So Live Sex will save the Porn Industry, but most of the Porn Industry can not run a cam site that it is profitable. They will send traffic to the same 5 or 6 cam operators, and make money this way, more than if they "owned and operated" the cam site. ...

Saving the Porn Industry is not our mission or goal -- providing adult entertainment and earning a profit is.

However, we are a part of the "Porn Industry" but like "Adult Dating" we offer an interactive social outlet for sexual interests.

That is the big difference.

[adultmobile]

Saving the Porn Industry is not our mission or goal.

Mh no really but will it be fun after a few more years to be only cam sites left?
Traffic for cam sites should come from somewhere, it will be from torrent and file locker sites where it will be stored historical porn, last one before its production stopped, for example Paul Markham Teens.
Could be some porn will be still produced, the parody of hollywood movies like does Vivid, for that there will be always some space I think, new batman movie, new porn batman parody, maybe not big budget as porn pirates.

[venus]

This article is about 15 years to late. I have been doing webcam shows, including live sex, on my site since 1997, and its not start and stop video. How your video looks is dependent on the equipment you use, if you use a video camera with a firewire or video camera and a video capture card, you get great, full 30 fps video. The only variable that causes trouble is the customers internet connection, if they have a crappy connection, they get a crappy video, if you have a good connection, you get the full 30 fps.

sites have been doing live sex from homes, swinger clubs and everywhere else for a long time, and skype is nothing new for live video, cu-seeme and numerous other programs designed for 1 on 1 and group video have been out since 1997 that I know of.

[Paul Markham]

No thanks, but I might pay some finders fees for models ready to work. There are already 10's of thousands of experienced and enabled models. There are opportunities for interested persons.

Become a studio 4 model minimum *(see bottom for studio sign ups)
http://www.xlovecam.com/sex-cam-live...o-sign-up.html

We have 6,000+ models that work monthly now
Requirements and rates are shown on that page.

Special deals for USA (Brazil too) Models

http://model.camgirlamerica.com/?p=ins_anim

With respect I would send them to people I know here.

Gimme a break. Any cam girl, from anywhere, who has been working for more than five minutes will ignore guests. And so they should, given that most of the traffic sent to their room, by clueless affiliates, is a waste of time.

Believe it or not, having the sincerity of a prostitute and a permanent rictus grin are not appealing to some people.

Most girls have been trained by clueless idiots. They reply to a message like they were reading off a script. They could double their income with better training. Simple things like looking into the camera more often would help and a girl being able to limit the number of people she can chat to effectively at one time. They seem to have too many at one time.

This is the view of a viewer.

[adultmobile]

Most girls have been trained by clueless idiots. They reply to a message like they were reading off a script. They could double their income with better training. Simple things like looking into the camera more often would help and a girl being able to limit the number of people she can chat to effectively at one time. They seem to have too many at one time.

This is the view of a viewer.

I would like to chat with a cam girl trained by Paul Markham
Any?

[Paul Markham]

I would like to chat with a cam girl trained by Paul Markham
Any?

This will give an idea of how I trained models.

Scare Teens

Scare Teen

Scared Teens

Scared Teen

Happy Teens

Happy Teen

Happier Teens

[xNetworx]

I would like to chat with a cam girl trained by Paul Markham
Any?

"Look into the camera more bb" (said in creepy old man voice)

[adultmobile]

This will give an idea of how I trained models.

Scare Teens

Scare Teen

Scared Teens

Scared Teen

Happy Teens

Happy Teen

Happier Teens

Unsure how some random blowjob scene it relate to training a cam girl

[Raz]

This is a great thread and a lot to process. But again, the giants will crush the little guys and the noobs unless you work like a fiend, get no sleep and have no life.

[Paul Markham]

Unsure how some random blowjob scene it relate to training a cam girl

If I can train them to do that and smile, what problem is a webcam girl?

Think about what I've done for the last 3 decades and forget about me GFY persona.

[Barry-xlovecam]

They do smile -- When you put your money on the wood. (That is funny on so many levels )

I viewed her for 40 seconds (random choice)

Note the chat text -- she had a live one going before I got in and most likely a member with credits ready. The Models do look for the ''low hanging fruit'' at times but after you have been in this business for many years you understand why.

But make a girl smile -- spend a little money on her as a "viewer". As a free guest with no ready money-- what do you expect? If you think you could do better no one is stopping you from investing in a studio -- that is your real opportunity to show us how wrong we are ... We are well aware of the topic of your critique but understand the underlying reasons for the issue.

[adultmobile]

[INDENT]They do smile -- When you put your money on the wood. (That is funny on so many levels )

It is funny how there are so many women with cams in the world and no one really will do cam show with the idea she don't want get or accept money at any time.. I mean for only free exhibitionism.... go in a chatroulette or omegle or any site with no tips or pay options at all... it is 1 clothed woman every 100 naked man, and such a woman it is not young and not so attractive really. Often this 1 woman you find is a filipina she will ask your yhoo then ask wu and paypal

Oh by the way if xlovecam will get an outage the gross domestic product of Romania will quite collapse - even single romanian model I have, had an xlovecam account at some time

[Paul Markham]

They do smile -- When you put your money on the wood. (That is funny on so many levels )

I viewed her for 40 seconds (random choice)

Note the chat text -- she had a live one going before I got in and most likely a member with credits ready. The Models do look for the ''low hanging fruit'' at times but after you have been in this business for many years you understand why.

But make a girl smile -- spend a little money on her as a "viewer". As a free guest with no ready money-- what do you expect? If you think you could do better no one is stopping you from investing in a studio -- that is your real opportunity to show us how wrong we are ... We are well aware of the topic of your critique but understand the underlying reasons for the issue.

When people higher up in the organisation have this attitude, is it any wonder the girls are badly trained?

[ilnjscb]

Congratulations, cam folks, Vivid is getting into your business:

Vivid Hiring Cam Girls?& Guys

Some thoughts from a cam girl:

"And yes, I hate doing these things and I hate everything that is related to this industry...I had to do this because I lost my job..I had a very good career, education and always laughed about the whores who did adult videochat..I finished university, worked for few years in a very good position in a good dental office.. Then the crisis came and took everything from me..I was stuck with bank debts, car leasing, daily life to support, family to help..I used to earn a very good wage doing amazing decent things...And boom!l I lost it all...I tried to look for a new job, the same as my previous one, but job market is really down and only low badly paid jobs were available which would not even help me to pay the rent..And I had and have many things on my shoulders...and I found the video chat industry..and in silence I started to do this.

Of all the people that I know, my friends and family, NO one knows about this..They would spit on me and judge me very harshly...Only my best friend knows..All they know is that I have a good job and that's all;; I am living with high stress..I even got heart issues due to this work..It s killing my soul..Yet I continue to do it, smiling and wearing a happy mask for all the morons, shallow losers and retarded men on MFC....The funny thing is that in the past I used to laugh with my work colleagues about the dumb girls who were getting naked on porn sites..and..voila! Here I am too..doing it myself...how bitter life is..."

Sounds like she wasn't "properly trained"!

[Barry-xlovecam]

When people higher up in the organisation have this attitude, is it any wonder the girls are badly trained?

No, it's just that I have been hearing the same whiny ass bullshit for years -- when I was a nubi to the industry I thought the same thing.

Your simple analysis only shows your lack of knowledge in the livesex industry. Board trolling at its finest

[Barry-xlovecam]

Congratulations, cam folks, Vivid is getting into your business:

Vivid Hiring Cam Girls?& Guys

Some thoughts from a cam girl:

"And yes, I hate doing these things and I hate everything that is related to this industry...I had to do this because I lost my job.. too..doing it myself...how bitter life is..."

Sounds like she wasn't "properly trained"!

She needs an agent-manager Paul ...

That web page is funny. Starwars motif ...

[Barry-xlovecam]

The only thing that live sex cams and the porn industry have in common is adult nudity -- and that is not the central focus of the live sex industry.

Our industry is about adult interaction on the internet -- not scripted video productions.

We don't exist to save anyone -- that is ludicrous.

Some of the same talents, but not the old stale ideas, learned in the affiliate business of selling porn could be reapplied to live cam sex or dating sites but it is a product to be learned and a reeducation process in the transition.

If you bring the old ideas of porn marketing to the table in our business you will fall flat on your face -- I have seen it time and time again.

Times have changed you need to have and open mind to business as we are in the sex broadcasting business not porn as many of you know it.

[Paul Markham]

No, it's just that I have been hearing the same whiny ass bullshit for years -- when I was a nubi to the industry I thought the same thing.

Your simple analysis only shows your lack of knowledge in the livesex industry. Board trolling at its finest

A simple thing like moving the camera over the top or right next to the screen would help. Or do webcam customers prefer girls who don't look at them?

I understand what you say about all the negative assholes. Yet girls have to adopt the same attitude that any salesman has.

You have to kiss a lot of frogs to find a prince.

Or.

You have to turn over a lot of stones, to find a nugget.

Or.

If you knock on 20 doors, you'll find a customer. This is the best one, because it can pushed that she needs 19 no's to get a yes. It's all about attitude, even if they are slinging abuse. The slingers are sad little idiots. How do you think I get past the ones here?

[Bat_Man]

Hmm good to read it .. Its a good article ..

[Barry-xlovecam]

Cam girls are not like traditional "salesmen." They don't think that way at all.

The best and highest earning camgirls may grasp this but they are in the minority. Actually, most customers just seek the attention of a willing woman ( or sometimes a male (gay)). They rely on that only ''selling'' the lay downs unfortunately.

You can't just pick a personality off the shelf and be that person today.

We sell people and not sex -- this idea is why "naturals" do best in this business.

Hire the masses, train in classes, keep on their asses works great in the insurance business but is a disaster for live cam sex.

You don't have to train a hot girl how to entice men, by the time she gets to us she has figured that one out

[campartner]

Guys who spend big money in cams rarely wank, they just talk them about own boring life.

agree

And talented girls put chains on brains.

Our Livecam site live6.com has a lot of this kinda girls looking and chatting like your neighbour and we know, that livecam business is not just streaming live pic.It connects.

[xNetworx]

Our Livecam site live6.com has a lot of this kinda girls looking and chatting like your neighbour and we know, that livecam business is not just streaming live pic.It connects.

The fuck you talking about?

[helterskelter808]

A simple thing like moving the camera over the top or right next to the screen would help. Or do webcam customers prefer girls who don't look at them?

Paul, you keep bringing this up about 'looking at the customer'.

It's one thing to 'look at the customer' when the camera is being held by a human in front of you and you're not having to do anything else, like reading, typing or concentrating on who is coming into your room every second; it's another to stare at a webcam when you have to be looking at your screen, or keyboard.

As for placing the cam as close as possible to the screen, firstly she still won't be looking directly at 'the customer', but looking straight past him. Second, is that how you'd shoot a model, by fixing the camera in one single position where she is required to look?

The camera should be in whatever position that best shows off the model's looks, allowing her to be comfortable while maintaining a good pose, everything else is secondary.

And if I saw a cam girl looking into the cam all the time, I'd just think why is she not looking at what I'm (or other people are) typing.

[Barry-xlovecam]

And if I saw a cam girl looking into the cam all the time, I'd just think why is she not looking at what I'm (or other people are) typing.

LOL. Like I said ...

[peterk]

so paul is an expert on cams now too?

[adultmobile]

so paul is an expert on cams now too?

This is not news. He teach to us since some time