LiveCamCash.com Down for a Reason Sean DeFreitas n Luc Perreault

[Mutt]

I won't speak for Gisele, but that's not the case for me. My paychecks were absolute shit with IHB.

Webmasters always promise to make me so much money. lol I've accepted that maybe I'm just not cut out for a solo site. Who knows what the future holds. Kicking ass on MFC though.

You're an 'alt' girl, your content was artsy fetish style and don't do hardcore so you are kinda right, not really the mold for a solo site model. MFC is a great option for models. Looks like hard work though.

[1215]

it was always run by a group of scammers who ripped off people years ago.

no shock they're at it again.

[1215]

http://www.freeones.com/hallofshame/

i just don't get it. why wouldn't you pay the people who are the reason you're making money?

your affiliates are the reason you have what you have, treat them like gold and watch your wallet grow.

[1215]

unbelievable there are those who are going to continue to support her new sites - good luck with that!

those people are idiots.

if there's one thing we've learned, it's that people don't learn.

[violetdoll]

You girls should cam on streamate too.. I need more hot girls to promote on my white label

I'm on streamate, though I admit I'm not very active. Every time I sign on it seems a bit slow. I'm always willing to give it another try, & open to advice.

You're an 'alt' girl, your content was artsy fetish style and don't do hardcore so you are kinda right, not really the mold for a solo site model. MFC is a great option for models. Looks like hard work though.

Never been interested in fitting into a mold. My fan base likes that about me. MFC is easy money, but you have to have thick skin for sure.

the solo market isnt what it used to be. i miss 2005

Guess I just missed it! Started around '06.

Anyway this topic isn't about me. Sorry!

[Mutt]

Violet what's your email address? Nothing about solo paysites, abbie, mfc, or personal. just have a question for you.

[violetdoll]

Violet what's your email address? Nothing about solo paysites, abbie, mfc, or personal. just have a question for you.

[email protected]

[Roald]

http://www.freeones.com/hallofshame/

i just don't get it. why wouldn't you pay the people who are the reason you're making money?

your affiliates are the reason you have what you have, treat them like gold and watch your wallet grow.

No idea really. Funny thing is most of the programs on the list we were pushing rev-share AND were still selling well when they decided to fuck us (and many others) over.

Like in this very case, LCC was always selling great. It's just bad management, bad personalities and bad choices

[Nurgle]

No idea really. Funny thing is most of the programs on the list we were pushing rev-share AND were still selling well when they decided to fuck us (and many others) over.

Like in this very case, LCC was always selling great. It's just bad management, bad personalities and bad choices

or just good thiefs?

[Roald]

or just good thiefs?

haha yes

[Sly]

http://www.freeones.com/hallofshame/

i just don't get it. why wouldn't you pay the people who are the reason you're making money?

your affiliates are the reason you have what you have, treat them like gold and watch your wallet grow.

Oddly enough, this doesn't just happen in our industry. Check out any service industry, same story. There is always some company somewhere who isn't paying their employees on time, and for some reason, the employees still stick around.

Would love to see a psychological breakdown of both sides of that situation. It's very strange to watch.

[Model Gisele]

haha yes

I am shocked they wouldn't pay out to such a huge site like Freeones.. Then again in 2 years, there was not ONE instance where after a week or 2 after the 1st of the month, I (the model and talent preforming for all paying members) was not paid on time. As Violet mentioned, pay was NEVER on time and the "breakdowns" were written by "them" .. so safe to say I am pretty sureee that was extremely honest and accurate ;) LMFAO...

Suppose the biggest fool of them all is myself for allowing such nonsense.. But live and learn ;) I did start asking questions from the start when I noticed pay wasn't really matching up to what it should be based on stats etc.. But of course people go to any measures to cover ones ass when truth starts to come out.. During my involvement with GotGisele.com, Abbie acted as I suppose the "middle man" for the models and the rest of the team. I now am very suspicious of just how many lies and exaggerations were passed back and forth so she could be buddy with us all. Sean may indeed have been and is the only one responsible for the dishonest financial mishaps. But as a model I am also unpleased in the ways Abbie showed to play all sides.. red flags for ones character when you go to any measures to appear innocent. Eventually truth reveals itself and all the lies and manipulations will be the wrath of karma.
When I would address my concerns I would be cast the title of "Diva who demands too much" .. When really I was just realizing the lies and fraudulence that was surrounding me. Smart woman is what Id like to call it ;) It was an incredibly hard decision to once again leave another solo site.. the money was good, I truly do appreciate and respect my members, and ENJOY my job in every aspect. But like any relationship, one must never settle. I know my worth, I know my talents and I refuse to just be a "money cow" for someone who deep down I believe is in this industry purely to control something that they feel they never could have or be.

THIS is the sole reason I do not wish to work on my next projects with "partners" .. because i do not believe anyone will ever care about my site, content, members etc as much as I do. Yes a % can be negotiated and or salaries given out to those both invested 24/7 and for those just doing odd jobs, but I have learned that all too often when it comes to having "partners" and they own the site... you are nothing but a money maker. I care too much and work too hard to have someone ever even think that they "own" me.

I didn't forget about making the video ;) got busy this weekend but I def want to elaborate a little more because it would take novels to express my complete opinions..
Yall just wanna see bewbs

[Roald]

Gisele you coming to Miami for the party this month?

[TheSenator]

http://www.EpicPandaCash.com
http://www.pinkvelvetvault.com

Seem to run a tight ship and always pays out.

[Mutt]

During my involvement with GotGisele.com, Abbie acted as I suppose the "middle man" for the models and the rest of the team. I now am very suspicious of just how many lies and exaggerations were passed back and forth so she could be buddy with us all. Sean may indeed have been and is the only one responsible for the dishonest financial mishaps.

No Gisele, stop giving her the benefit of the doubt that she might have just been some 'middle man'. She is promoting YOUR site and Violet's on her new blogs for other models. She would not be doing that if she wasn't STILL getting money from GotGisele and Violet's site.

[TheSenator]

I wish CAM WITH CARMEN aka Carmen Bella would be manage by someone different.

She is an incredible money maker.

Carmen needs to be a contract model.

[spunky99]

cant let this get onto the 2nd page

[trevesty]

I wish CAM WITH CARMEN aka Carmen Bella would be manage by someone different.

She is an incredible money maker.

Carmen needs to be a contract model.

Her and Gisele have made me(well, us) boat loads of cash.

Agree with you about pinkvelvet and epicpanda as well.

[trevesty]

Looks like they all either deleted their Facebooks and/or removed me.

Whoops.

[Model Gisele]

Gisele you coming to Miami for the party this month?

I wish I am actually going to be in cali the 10th-12th attending a movie premier!! i didn't start hearing about the expo until this month..

[Model Gisele]

No Gisele, stop giving her the benefit of the doubt that she might have just been some 'middle man'. She is promoting YOUR site and Violet's on her new blogs for other models. She would not be doing that if she wasn't STILL getting money from GotGisele and Violet's site.

Vyyery good point... hmmmmmm

damn my kindness.. always ending up being my weakness lol

Looks like Karma is taking over at this point .. I am so excited to start some new projects, I shall have last laugh. not too worried. Someone is always going to try and get the best of you. Let them sell old content, and since they think they are so high and mighty and deserve full ownership, I challenge them to hop in front of the cameras and we can compare which site members wish to join LoL I have all my old content as well sitting here on my desktop.. and I paid half every month for those photos.

[Model Gisele]

Her and Gisele have made me(well, us) boat loads of cash.

Agree with you about pinkvelvet and epicpanda as well.

hehe you haven't seen nothin yet ;)
I purposely started holding back on the opportunities and offers presented by some legit mainstream work so as to not profit webmasters who were already making way too much off of me..

Safe to say I will no longer allow them to hold me back ;)

[violetdoll]

Vyyery good point... hmmmmmm

damn my kindness.. always ending up being my weakness lol

Looks like Karma is taking over at this point .. I am so excited to start some new projects, I shall have last laugh. not too worried. Someone is always going to try and get the best of you. Let them sell old content, and since they think they are so high and mighty and deserve full ownership, I challenge them to hop in from of the cameras and we can compare which site members wish to join LoL I have all my old content as well sitting here on my desktop.. and I paid half every month for those photos.

So true!! You're too sweet, but a tough girl too. ;)

We paid for those photos, yet both Abbie and Sean are sending DMCA notices to MyFreeCams and Facebook, trying to get photos I shot or paid for removed! I have forwarded Emails as proof that BOTH Abbie and Sean were doing this very recently. Very confusing since Abbie is trying to play victim and blame Sean.

No Gisele, stop giving her the benefit of the doubt that she might have just been some 'middle man'. She is promoting YOUR site and Violet's on her new blogs for other models. She would not be doing that if she wasn't STILL getting money from GotGisele and Violet's site.

She's posting explicit photos of my vagina all over that were supposed to be for my members only, (not promo) out of revenge and to make money off Viorotica.com. This goes against the contract I had with her and Sean, (but they broke that contract a long time ago when they failed to pay on time and charged us for expenses).:P This type of behavior is the very thing she called Irina from IHB scum for. It's okay though, glad I have a pretty pussy! And I show in it on cam nightly for more money than Abbie could ever make me.

I have evidence that she's sitting in her private forum talking trash about Gisele and I. Telling people she paid my bills! lmao! Trying to turn models against us. So typical. I can't post a link here yet. Damn it.

[violetdoll]

Sorry, but this isn't spam. In case anyone is interested in what cam girls have to say about Abbie/Sean/LCC.

stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?161151-So-frustrated-with-OHC/page5

[DigitalTheory]

I feel for you girls and thought this move was gonna be better Sorry it is turning out worse for you guys.

[violetdoll]

I feel for you girls and thought this move was gonna be better Sorry it is turning out worse for you guys.

Thank you, but honestly I feel liberated.

[Roald]

Gisele & Violet, whenever you start your new sites you know how to reach me.

[violetdoll]

Gisele & Violet, whenever you start your new sites you know how to reach me.

Thank you so much. We definitely will!

[RandazzoXXX]

it was always run by a group of scammers who ripped off people years ago.

no shock they're at it again.

I'm beginning to think that the reason Abbie intentionally associates with proven scammers who are already blackballed from various webmaster communities is so that when things go wrong she can blame them and pretend to be a victim herself. Fuck that, this is maybe the 6th or 7th time she has done this. It's a recurring trend and can't be by mistake.

[Model Gisele]

Gisele & Violet, whenever you start your new sites you know how to reach me.

already a priority

[st0ned]

Let's keep this thread on top. Thieving assholes.

[SNRProductions]

Crazy, crazy, stuff. It's interesting to hear model's sides of things. I'd chime in, but I don't really know the whole story from all sides so I won't comment. It's pretty wild how things turn out though sometimes.

[violetdoll]

I want to know what happened to the third partner of LCC, Alex. He was actually very cool. Guess he got out of that mess as soon as he could. Smart guy.

[punker barbie]

@Violet Doll- i e-mailed you :P

[1215]

She's posting photos of my vagina all over

that is quote of the week!!!

i hope you girls get this sorted and make sure you get some reviews from legit people in the industry about who to work with, so you're not stuck dealing with scammers.

[1215]

vio and giselle - if you ever do cam signs, we could use one for BabeCrew.com - and when your new sites are up, i'll feature some content for you.

punkerbarbie - chaturbate is ruined...did they buy that spot?

[dooglas]

http://www.EpicPandaCash.com
http://www.pinkvelvetvault.com

Seem to run a tight ship and always pays out.

Thanks for your support!

[annaliese]

owed a bunch of money by them also on the affiliate end and on the studio end. have models who are also owed money. this is all extremely disheartening. i enjoyed a mostly positive experience with ohc/lcc for YEARS. a few payment issues here and there but we were always able to resolve things. i put a lot of trust into this company over the years. really disappointing. i have been trying to contact sean with limited response. called him over the weekend. contacted him today via chat and he told me he would give me a call "in 15-30 minutes." never happened.

if i can't get an answer from them after years of providing the majority of their model base and significant traffic to them then i doubt anyone else is going to be paid.

[spunky99]

wow nobody was safe from their scam

[severe]

Gisele sorry to hear about you issues and leaving your existing site behind. I'd like to discuss something I'm currently working on. Can you drop me a line so we can do an IM or setup a call?
ICQ 372485549
Email alex.k {at} adultcentro.com

[punker barbie]

vio and giselle - if you ever do cam signs, we could use one for BabeCrew.com - and when your new sites are up, i'll feature some content for you.

punkerbarbie - chaturbate is ruined...did they buy that spot?

Ruined? I have no clue what you are referring to.

[TheSenator]

Solo sites are consistently making me cash.

Especially ones that interacts with their members.

[jimmycooper]

Posted On 2/12.

My XBIZ account is somehow set up to where when i check it on my mobile, I see a stream of recent 'connections'. I don't know if it's a list of who my connections are connecting with or if it's a list of all recent connections, but it seems like every time I check, I see that Abby has just made a new connection.

The fact that she continues to ignore this thread and other related threads is beyond unacceptable. Maybe she did have health issues or whatever, and if she did I hope that everything is fine, but the fact is that these threads were happening before said issues and are still happening after said issues and so it should now therefore be perfectly acceptable to directly assault the health of her business.

If you run a solo girl program, or if you're thinking about starting one, you should consider contacting Gisele, Viorotica, and XO Eve and present them with this and other threads which indicate the true nature of Abbie's worthless cuntiness b/c there's probably a good a chance that they're either not getting paid on time or have seen things that have at least caused them to question whether or not Abbie is or isn't the cunt she clearly seems to be.

Just a thought.

Oh, and Abbie does seem to be a bit paranoid, a bit delusional, and a bit lawsuit happy. It's almost as if she's PornStarGlobal's soulmate. So the process of taking these girls from her might be annoying, but you usually don't have to wait very long before paranoid delusional people start to fuck themselves over, so I imagine you'll be fine in the end and it will ultimately have been worth the headache.

Good luck.

http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18764400&postcount=16

[annaliese]

I would be interested in seeing a total of what they've managed to rip off from us collectively. Maybe I'm a masochist. I've been working on compiling a list of what models affiliated with my sites are owed and it looks like its going to be quite a bit of money.

[TheSenator]

I would be interested in seeing a total of what they've managed to rip off from us collectively. Maybe I'm a masochist. I've been working on compiling a list of what models affiliated with my sites are owed and it looks like its going to be quite a bit of money.

Hopefully you can recover something.

[Model Gisele]

Crazy, crazy, stuff. It's interesting to hear model's sides of things. I'd chime in, but I don't really know the whole story from all sides so I won't comment. It's pretty wild how things turn out though sometimes.

LoL my thoughts exactly... Live and Learn ;)

[Model Gisele]

Posted On 2/12.

My XBIZ account is somehow set up to where when i check it on my mobile, I see a stream of recent 'connections'. I don't know if it's a list of who my connections are connecting with or if it's a list of all recent connections, but it seems like every time I check, I see that Abby has just made a new connection.

The fact that she continues to ignore this thread and other related threads is beyond unacceptable. Maybe she did have health issues or whatever, and if she did I hope that everything is fine, but the fact is that these threads were happening before said issues and are still happening after said issues and so it should now therefore be perfectly acceptable to directly assault the health of her business.

If you run a solo girl program, or if you're thinking about starting one, you should consider contacting Gisele, Viorotica, and XO Eve and present them with this and other threads which indicate the true nature of Abbie's worthless cuntiness b/c there's probably a good a chance that they're either not getting paid on time or have seen things that have at least caused them to question whether or not Abbie is or isn't the cunt she clearly seems to be.

Just a thought.

Oh, and Abbie does seem to be a bit paranoid, a bit delusional, and a bit lawsuit happy. It's almost as if she's PornStarGlobal's soulmate. So the process of taking these girls from her might be annoying, but you usually don't have to wait very long before paranoid delusional people start to fuck themselves over, so I imagine you'll be fine in the end and it will ultimately have been worth the headache.

Good luck.

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Oh I am a 110% "free agent" at this point... Saddens me all my hard work in producing content for a site no longer is no longer paying me. And of course they are still having a field day using my images to promote all of their other projects (old and new) .. but I suppose I am flattered and reassured that I will be just fine in the future seeing as they still feel I am profitable enough to keep promoting even after long gone.
They may own content and domains, but they don't know Me

[Nurgle]

if they are no longer paying you Gisele, maybe u need to send out some DMCAs for fun!

[iheartbucks]

I won't speak for Gisele, but that's not the case for me. My paychecks were absolute shit with IHB.

Webmasters always promise to make me so much money. lol I've accepted that maybe I'm just not cut out for a solo site. Who knows what the future holds. Kicking ass on MFC though.

Love you babygirl, and I don't agree that you are not cut out to be a solo site model, we just didn't give it any time to grow and reach it's full potential.

I wish both Violet and Gisele the best of luck and am sorry this happened to them and to all affiliates. Both girls have a great head on their shoulders and will be just fine...best of luck and I consider you ladies friends and am here for any advice or help you ever might need.

[Pseudonymous]

if they are no longer paying you Gisele, maybe u need to send out some DMCAs for fun!

I dont think she should send out false DMCAs, just because the content is of her, she doesn't own any rights to it.