Any Atheists in the House?

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

Unless you bother reading through the posts made here, and engaging in valid discussion, kindly step out.

Unless you're a mod with the power to kick me out, kiss my ass.

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. Our limited minds

And there you have it.

[AaronM]

It probably takes about 30 seconds for anyone with a reading level > third grade to read all that I wrote up there. It's respectful to read what someone writes if you're going to engage in a discussion with them, don't you think?

You're fueling a religious debate on a porn forum where most of the members don't want you around. To me, that's disrespectful.

I'm not reading your long and seemingly rambling posts because I don't give 2 shits about religion and there is nothing that you or anybody else can possible post that will change my mind.

I am however reading your shorter posts where I don't have to shift through as much bullshit.

[smutnut]

For the sake of this discussion, God = an intelligent First Cause. For context, here's Albert Einstein's thoughts again:

"I?m not an atheist, and I don?t think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of those books but doesn?t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws, but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations.?

He renounced atheism because he never considered his denial of a personal God as a denial of God. He very much believed in a ?superior reasoning force,? a ?superior mind,? an ?illimitable superior spirit? and a ?mysterious force that moves the constellations.?

That's what we are referring to as "God" in this thread.

Look, don't start quoting genius. It makes you look a lot dumber than you are.

[AaronM]

Unless you bother reading through the posts made here, and engaging in valid discussion, kindly step out.

Good advice.

See ya.

[Harmon]

[smutnut]

Unless you bother reading through the posts made here, and engaging in valid discussion, kindly step out.

It's like reading the Greek Myths which are much better written.

[Donny]

You're fueling a religious debate on a porn forum where most of the members don't want you around. To me, that's disrespectful.

I'm not reading your long and seemingly rambling posts because I don't give 2 shits about religion and there is nothing that you or anybody else can possible post that will change my mind.

I am however reading your shorter posts where I don't have to shift through as much bullshit.

The posts you refer to as bullshit are those in which I post what I believe to be evidence of God. If you are here posting in this thread I would like to assume you wish to join the discussion. But joining the discussion requires having a conversation. If you and I were sitting face to face and I spoke only what came to mind and didn't bother listening to your replies, would you stick around long?

As for what most of the members want... I am sure that if it were possible for members to vote people off the GFY Island, there are many who would have to go. I was invited back by a representative for the company that owns the board. That's good enough for me.

[Phillipmcd1]

Why does the universe follow very specific laws?

Sure we don't know everything, that's the fun part discovering new things. Religion to me holds back human advancement, example read about Baghdad 800-1100 AD. I feel Religious people in general will say "God did it" to everything and stay ignorant to basic facts, and I was one of those people. A funny example would be Bill O'Reilly claiming that God creates the tides, not the gravitational pull from the moon & sun. If Science could explain every law that makes the planet work would you still hold your strong belief?

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[Donny]

Sure we don't know everything, that's the fun part discovering new things. Religion to me holds back human advancement, example read about Baghdad 800-1100 AD. I feel Religious people in general will say "God did it" to everything and stay ignorant to basic facts, and I was one of those people. A funny example would be Bill O'Reilly claiming that God creates the tides, not the gravitational pull from the moon & sun. If Science could explain every law that makes the planet work would you still hold your strong belief?

Religion was never the topic of this thread. However, are you not aware that the Catholic Church created the institution of Universities of higher learning? Even the likes of Yale began as religious institutions. And we haven't discussed the hospitals founded by the Church, etc. That being the case, to say that religion hold back human advancement is incorrect.

By the way, I am NOT Catholic. Just stating fact.

As for scientific discovery:
Science is doing a great job of slowly revealing HOW God created the universe. Science and a belief in God do not conflict. A belief in God merely asserts that all of the laws and discoveries we've made were instituted by an intelligent First Cause.

[smutnut]

If God exists or any higher power with an individual conscious, he is the most evil fuck that ever fucking existed. the shit he lets happen can't even be explained and most people would be doing 50 life sentences for. So either there is no God or God is really the fucking devil and that is your fucking hero.

I would rather just think he's a myth.

[Donny]

If God exists or any higher power with an individual conscious, he is the most evil fuck that ever fucking existed. the shit he lets happen can't even be explained and most people would be doing 50 life sentences for. So either there is no God or God is really the fucking devil and that is your fucking hero.

I would rather just think he's a myth.

Really? Give me examples of things that make God evil.

[smutnut]

Really? Give me examples of things that make God evil.

African women having bayonets shoved up their snatches and babies pulled out of them and splatted against trees.

I thought i would start with something minor. Should I go on?

[Donny]

African women having bayonets shoved up their snatches and babies pulled out of them and splatted against trees.

I thought i would start with something minor. Should I go on?

How do the actions of humans who have free will reflect on the evilness of God?

[Phillipmcd1]

Really? Give me examples of things that make God evil.

Killing of every firstborn in Egypt seems kinda bad

[smutnut]

We can move to the nuclear bombs being dropped on the japs and their skin peeling off. Not saying they didn't deserve it from out perspective but God being God should have stopped that shit before it even happened and for that matter made the japs nicer people back when that shit started.

they are pretty nice now but they were shoving bayonets into chinks and pulling babies out, remember that...

I know, I know, that has nothing to do with God. He just watches this shit and giggles...

Again, I'm pretty sure he doesn't exist, or at least not in the way it matters or is relevant again.

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[Donny]

Killing of every firstborn in Egypt seems kinda bad

So you are using an example out of a book you believe to be a fairy tale? How about instead using modern examples from sources that YOU believe?

[smutnut]

How do the actions of humans who have free will reflect on the evilness of God?

No one has free will. Even without a God existing so you can toss that lame excuse right into the garbage can. Everyone acts because of some time of influence or situation. This is how they put starving people in jail, with that silly phrase "Free Will" it's delusion.

[Phillipmcd1]

We can move to the nuclear bombs being dropped on the japs and their skin peeling off. Not saying they didn't deserve it from out perspective but God being God should have stopped that shit before it even happened

Christians would say God gave us Free Will

[Donny]

We can move to the nuclear bombs being dropped on the japs and their skin peeling off. Not saying they didn't deserve it from out perspective but God being God should have stopped that shit before it even happened and for that matter made the japs nicer people back when that shit started.

they are pretty nice now but they were shoving bayonets into chinks and pulling babies out, remember that...

I know, I know, that has nothing to do with God. He just watches this shit and giggles...

Again, I'm pretty sure he doesn't exist, or at least not in the way it matters or is relevant again.

You are once again using illustrations of human behavior. How does that reflect on God?

It seems to me that you are saying God must be evil because he doesn't interfere with human free will. Would free will truly exist if God only allowed what was good and blocked what was not? Of course not. For true free will to exist, poor choices must be allowed to be made.

[smutnut]

So you are using an example out of a book you believe to be a fairy tale? How about instead using modern examples from sources that YOU believe?

History is not a fairy tale. Just the concept that god was killing the kids instead of disease. Don't you think it is more humane that just disease took the kids. Do you really love that God you read about who wanted Adam to kill his fucking first born and who killed Egyptian babies?

[Donny]

No one has free will. Even without a God existing so you can toss that lame excuse right into the garbage can. Everyone acts because of some time of influence or situation. This is how they put starving people in jail, with that silly phrase "Free Will" it's delusion.

Explain this. Putting people in jail does not invalidate free will. The people who put those in jail had more power than those who were jailed. That doesn't mean free will doesn't exist. It does.

[Donny]

History is not a fairy tale. Just the concept that god was killing the kids instead of disease. Don't you think it is more humane that just disease took the kids. Do you really love that God you read about who wanted Adam to kill his fucking first born and who killed Egyptian babies?

This post is a great example of why we're not discussing religion or the Bible in this thread, but rather, the existence of God. You have no idea what you're talking about - you are getting your Bible stories mixed up.

[smutnut]

You are once again using illustrations of human behavior. How does that reflect on God?

It seems to me that you are saying God must be evil because he doesn't interfere with human free will. Would free will truly exist if God only allowed what was good and blocked what was not? Of course not. For true free will to exist, poor choices must be allowed to be made.

So what the fuck does God actually do and why is he even a little bit relevant.

In Egypt he killed babies, but he had nothing to do with American technology and the dropping of nuclear weapons? What is he on like a long vaction? resting up for the real serious shit coming?

It's funny how you religious freaks pick and choose...

[smutnut]

This post is a great example of why we're not discussing religion or the Bible in this thread, but rather, the existence of God. You have no idea what you're talking about - you are getting your Bible stories mixed up.

Yeah, I wasn't saying they were the same story, but I do know my bible stories and I'm sure I know them better than the religious freaks who claim to have read the bible. I actually had classes in it.

[Donny]

Yeah, I wasn't saying they were the same story, but I do know my bible stories and I'm sure I know them better than the religious freaks who claim to have read the bible. I actually had classes in it.

As have I, along with a library of more than 19,000 books that discuss it in great detail. I've spent literally thousands of hours studying it.

[Phillipmcd1]

So you are using an example out of a book you believe to be a fairy tale? How about instead using modern examples from sources that YOU believe?

I never said I don't believe in God. I can't give modern examples since there is no modern words accredited to God. Giving modern examples of people crediting God for entering a War or killing their 6 children would be Ludicrous

[smutnut]

This post is a great example of why we're not discussing religion or the Bible in this thread, but rather, the existence of God. You have no idea what you're talking about - you are getting your Bible stories mixed up.

If you actually believe God was killing babies and you still love him, well than HE bless you and you have a good time sucking each other off in heaven. The fact that you would think that and think an actual individual thinking God with his own conscious mind still exists, cause that what we are really talking about, is pretty fucking sad.

[Donny]

If you actually believe God was killing babies and you still love him, well than HE bless you and you have a good time sucking each other off in heaven. The fact that you would think that and think an actual individual thinking God with his own conscious mind still exists, cause that what we are really talking about, is pretty fucking sad.

In this thread, where have I stated that I believe God killed babies?

As for God still existing, yes I do believe that. The existence of God is what we are discussing here.

[smutnut]

As have I, along with a library of more than 19,000 books that discuss it in great detail. I've spent literally thousands of hours studying it.

So you read 19,000 books (about the bible alone) or just lied or deceived people into thinking that you did? Isn't that some type of sin. I'm not sure on the exist paragraph in the bible I would find that in, but sure there is something wrong with this statement.

[smutnut]

In this thread, where have I stated that I believe God killed babies?

As for God still existing, yes I do believe that. The existence of God is what we are discussing here.

So you don't believe God killed those babies in Egypt? The bible fucking lied?

[Donny]

So you don't believe God killed those babies in Egypt? The bible fucking lied?

What I believe about that story is of no relevance to this thread. Whether or not I love God is of no relevance. Nor is it relevant whether or not God is evil. This thread discusses whether or not God exists. The complexity of the universe is good evidence for the existence of God.

[Phillipmcd1]

"God" was created by those in power....you cant control millions with guns and force...

I disagree with that. If anything they took advantage of the people that worshiped the sun for returning everyday

[tony286]

I'm now more of a deist after watching my father die a slow painful 30 day death from cancer. He was a good man deserved better. It killed my faith.

[smutnut]

What I believe about that story is of no relevance to this thread. Whether or not I love God is of no relevance. Nor is it relevant whether or not God is evil. This thread discusses whether or not God exists. The complexity of the universe is good evidence for the existence of God.

No, it's really not. It's silly. If you take infinity into account and the fact that we do exist it's just a random chance that applies to physics. We will also cease to exist one day and then probably one day IN INFINITY exist once again.

It's sad but it's really that simple.

Nothing about human existence proves their is a God, even slightly except we are so desperate to understand ourselves that we had to make one up back when our minds were that simple.

[Evil1]

Ok lets take the amtrack test. We meet on some train tracks, you use jesus to survive, just stand there and pray. ill go with science, science tells me if I get the fuck off the track I'll be fine. After I find where your head rolled off to we can discuss the results.

Or do you not have faith in your god? Cash the fuckin check your mouth writes.

[smutnut]

Okay, I'm going to say my prayers now and go to bed LOL

[Donny]

Ok lets take the amtrack test. We meet on some train tracks, you use jesus to survive, just stand there and pray. ill go with science, science tells me if I get the fuck off the track I'll be fine. After I find where your head rolled off to we can discuss the results.

Or do you not have faith in your god? Cash the fuckin check your mouth writes.

What a stupid, stupid post.

[smutnut]

What a stupid, stupid post.

If that ain't calling the kettle black LOL

Okay,

Now I lay me down to sleep
I pray the lord my soul to keep
If I day before I wake
I pray the lord my soul to take

Like I didn't go to Sunday School

[Evil1]

What a stupid, stupid post.

Mouth writing checks your ass is afraid to cash? I've told I "just have to have faith".. Just have some faith jesus will be there for you? Why wouldnt he be? Your one of his children, You are a unique and special snowflake, you are precious, he will save you.

[Donny]

No, it's really not. It's silly. If you take infinity into account and the fact that we do exist it's just a random chance that applies to physics. We will also cease to exist one day and then probably one day IN INFINITY exist once again.

It's sad but it's really that simple.

Nothing about human existence proves their is a God, even slightly except we are so desperate to understand ourselves that we had to make one up back when our minds were that simple.

This post demonstrates your lack of knowledge of complexity. I'll give you one example:

Have you heard the story that states something along the lines of, "If you stuck a group of monkeys into a room and sat them down to peck away on typewriters, given enough time they'd write out the complete works of Shakespeare." ?

Mathematically, it has been proven that even for one of those monkeys to type out one SONNET he would need more years than there are atoms in the entire UNIVERSE. The universe, as dated by scientists, hasn't existed that long. And if that's not long enough for a monkey to type a sonnet, it's definitely not long enough for life to exist as we know it. That is why the likes of multiverse theory has arisen. Multiverse theory is much harder to swallow than an intelligent First Cause.

[Phillipmcd1]

Ok lets take the amtrack test. We meet on some train tracks, you use jesus to survive, just stand there and pray. ill go with science, science tells me if I get the fuck off the track I'll be fine. After I find where your head rolled off to we can discuss the results.

He has the Free Will to stand there....or move.
?It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test."

[Donny]

If that ain't calling the kettle black LOL

No, my friend, it is not. His example is stupid because free will has already been covered. I'd have the free will to allow myself to be killed by a train. That has nothing to do with God's existence.

[OverdueNudes]

Really? Monkey's typing Shakespeare? That's what you're going with? Holy shit. I can see clearly now, praise jebus.

[Donny]

Really? Monkey's typing Shakespeare? That's what you're going with? Holy shit. I can see clearly now, praise jebus.

Your ignorance is showing. The Infinite Monkey Theorem is a well known example used by atheists. Google it.

[smutnut]

This post demonstrates your lack of knowledge of complexity. I'll give you one example:

Have you heard the story that states something along the lines of, "If you stuck a group of monkeys into a room and sat them down to peck away on typewriters, given enough time they'd write out the complete works of Shakespeare." ?

Mathematically, it has been proven that even for one of those monkeys to type out one SONNET he would need more years than there are atoms in the entire UNIVERSE. The universe, as dated by scientists, hasn't existed that long. And if that's not long enough for a monkey to type a sonnet, it's definitely not long enough for life to exist as we know it. That is why the likes of multiverse theory has arisen. Multiverse theory is much harder to swallow than an intelligent First Cause.

Really? You are comparing monkey's typing shakespeare (which is actually monkeys typing some type of novel) within a limited lifetime, to infinity?

You do realize we do exist, right? Even if there is no God, right? I don't even want to get into the multiverse theories or any other theories with anyone who doesn't think their isn't a chance that there is no god, so that pretty much settles that...

[Phillipmcd1]

We are so desperate to understand ourselves that we had to make one up back when our minds were that simple.

Something to think about

[OverdueNudes]

How come adults stop believing in Santa but not all stop believing in Gods? Santa has thousands of books and songs too. This is bullshit. SAVE SANTA!!!