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because people from all walks of life have commited crimes like this. just because the guy is more muscled up than most people, doesn't mean that steroids caused him to commit the crime.
maybe they, maybe they didn't. but assuming steroids caused him to commit this crime is presumptuous and stereotyping.
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holy fuck this is the first i heard he was dead
ive been out of the loop on wwe for a year shit... i used to love his matches - such a great technical wrestler how fucked |
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Why would the WWF give that piece of shit a tribute???? he killed his wife and 7 year old son!!!!!
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I love how all of these out of shape, obese webmasters who have never seen the inside of a gym know everything about steroids and "know" that this is the reason why Benoit killed his family.
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That's just horrible
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HBO Real Sports did an excellent piece on all of the misinformation that is out there regarding steroids and why they were actually outlawed in the first place AGAINST the recommendation of the FDA and the DEA. I know it has been posted on here before but I can't seem to find it on any of the tube sites, so maybe someone can post a link.
I spent a lot of time dealing and working with the pro wrestling industry and it is not the steroids that caused all of the early deaths nor any of the murders. When you are taking certain types of steroids you need to refrain from using alcohol, pain killers, muscle relaxants, or any other types of drugs to allow your liver to properly process them. A typical pro wrestler on the road may be taking steroids, but they are also ingesting Vicodin, Soma, and any other pain killer they can get their hands on in huge quantities. If you take pain killers or muscle relaxants you know that your body grows resistant and you need to take huge quantities to get the same effect after you have been abusing them for years. Even though wrestling is fake it does a ridiculous amount of damage to your body, and when you are on the road in the vicinity of 300 days a year you get little to no time to rest and properly heal injuries. They are also living a rockstar lifestyle, so you can throw in cocaine, crack, heroin, and a number of other drugs and you can see why so many die way before their time. Blaming "roid rage" for a murder is insane and is indicative of believing anything you are being told. It is the equivalent of someone saying "Oh, you are in the porn industry, you must be a degenerate, pedophile, sex offender, drug dealer, etc." You are using the same generalizations that you hate to have used on you.
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But speaking of Vince's 'death' a buddy of mine gets lots of 'insider info' regarding WWE and shit, Vince's 'death' came up right after he was diagnosed with cancer and instead of him going through it all 'live' they had his char killed off. It would have worked well but after The Wolverine's murder/suicide Vince HAD to speak about it so his 'death' is now publicly debunked. look forward to a 'cancer announcement' sometime soon OR vince gets 'killed off' again lol -Loki-
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What a tragic way to die and also very cowardly regardless if steroids was the cause
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fact of the matter is that he tossed the kid through the coffee table with a german suplex, quickly turning to smack the wife in the head with a metal folding chair. he then proceeded to throw her into a crippler crossfaced, immediately after attempting to climb the entertainment center for a giant elbowdrop to the sternum of the child. while in the process of doing so, the great shawn michaels and triple h both emerged from the kitchen after fixing some fabulous egg salad sandwiches, only to pull him from the height and viciously work him with a furious storm of ground kicks. Shawn commenced to throwing him into a back suplex, after which hunter finished him off with a well executed sharpshooter...
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Sounds like he fits the profile of a family annihilator. His wife filed for divorce years ago. She suggested he abused her. From the outset, everyone seems him as this great provider and family man. Family annihilators usually do the crime when they're under the influence of alcohol or drugs, but I don't think this was a case of roid rage. He supposedly killed his wife on Friday night and his son on either Saturday night or Sunday morning. This was clearly something he had taken some time to think about. I just wonder what happened to tip him over the edge like that.
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ahaha..i heard a bible was near the bodies...so it wasn't the roids but religon..haha
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let me explain "roid rage" for the folks that don't really understand it roid rage = you cut me off, i'd drive up next to you and throw my drink at you... this has to be within the span of around a minute or so this guy was just fucked in the head and the "roid rage" thing is a complete cop out to give performance enhancing drugs more of a bad rap & make it a scapegoat for the kiddies that looked up to this guy... every other wrestler is / has been on steroids as well there is such a thing as hormone replacement therapy where they put lots of older folks on steroids & you don't hear about nightly bingo massacres all across the country right? ahh well wheres my needle
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If I remember right (I'll get ahold of him to confirm it) but it was supposed to be Throat or Lung cancer that Vince was diagnosed with about 3 weeks ago or less. I do not watch nor care much for wrestling, I used to but these days it's just too fucking hoaky for me lol. -Loki-
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everybody is jumping on the bandwagon with the 'roids didn't do it bullshit. regardless of whether or not they actually had an effect in this case you're all equally as guilty for defending an opinion you know absolutely fucking NOTHING about.
now, i'm not saying it did or didn't have to do with the roids, but while it may not have been a 'roid induced frenzy that directly pushed him over the egde, do you not think that after an extensive, extended period (possibly years and years worth) of use, the irritablity, anxiety, and possible depression caused as a result of his steroid abuse couldn't have factored into the mental instability and warped perception that lead to him taking such an action? you'd have to be fucking crazed to not take into consideration what toll being all hyped up on growth hormones for years on end wold take on your psyche. combine this with the fact that he was more than likely a fucking blowtard, with a superiority complex, and who knows what the fuck went to his head. the fact that so many of you seem to take to the defense of steroids (perhaps defense is the wrong word, but it's the best i cna think of at the moment) should be a concern in itself. i don't give a fuck if you want get all juiced up, but stating that roids would never push a person to this level (that is if he was actually on roids, which we don't even know positively, even though it is likely) is no more inaccurate an assumption than the people stating that he went roid crazy. not one of has any clue what twisted his mind to the point that woud make him go out and do something like this... |
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people are not defending steroids... people are pointing out the stupidity of the automatic assumption that steroids had something to do with it, without knowing anything about him, what he was doing, what he was taking, if he was taking anything at all, knowing anything about steroids, types of steroids, combinations of various steroids, side effects, post cycle therapy... etc etc etc. and then pointing out the obvious... that its highly unlikely that there is any connection even if he was doing a cycle or coming off a cycle its no different than Tom Cruise killing his family and people automatically blaming Scientology and babbling on about Scientology while ignoring the obvious fact that the motherfucker is crazy, has issues and was bound to snap at any moment. People in this world fucking disgust me today. Why can't a crazy motherfucker be just that? Since when can't people be totally normal (or spend the bulk of their time convincing people they are) and then just snap and do insane shit? Why does there have to be a clear, black and white cause to point at so people can say "oh, i get it... yeah, if it wasn't for XYZ.. that would have never happened" The ignorance about steroids and steroid use, really annoys me. "steroids" has become some fucking taboo word thats NEVER used or discussed in any proper context. its like making "alcohol" a taboo thing and NEVER distinguishing between a drunk who sleeps in a cardboard box in a puddle of his own piss and shit and the guy who drinks a glass of wine at dinner. |
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Did anyone hear the LATEST??????
Its been said that the 7 year old son was given Growth Hormone for sometime and had an incident report of track or needle marks from its use... This guy was fucking wacked in the head. Giving HGH to his 7 year old son......... WTF?
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How could he do that? what's the real score??
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HGH is more commonly injected subcutaneously in the abdominal area by the belly button so that it can get absorbed by the blood stream and into the intestinal track
even then you wouldnt have track marks... no steroids are shot into veins
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AND NEITHER DO YOU. Nor do you know anything about how it may have affected his personality had he been using them, or any other drug for that matter. to blame this fully on steroids alone is unfair, but not to be unexpected either. people are just making a fair observation. you could make any number of assumptions with a high likelihood in a situation like this, we do have quite a bit of background information. all you've done by speaking out in the defense of steroids is lead people to believe you have some reason to defend their use...
i could go ahead and make all sorts of assumptions about mr benoit here. so i'm going to, and i'm willing to bet i nail several square on the head... it probably wasn't his first outburst of violence agianst his family, he probably beat his wife prior to this event, maybe even his kid. he played a tough guy, and he probably took his tough guy rle to heart, using violence as an answer to his problems. he was probably a either a drunk, or a cokehead, or maybe both if not more, he did have alot of money. he probably had some serious self-image issues, maybe a superiority/inferiority complex with people. this was probably a person who hated himself and spent his whole life trying to make himself someone people would like, he made his living in front of a camera, where looking the role was his job. the combination of any of these things and the stress of celebrity status, could surely have drove him completely fucking loopy, and he more than likely did do steroids at one point or another, or continuously as needed, which i'm sure doesn't do a damn thing to benefit a person with an already fragile perception of their own world... i don't profess to KNOW whether any of it is true. like i said they're all asumptions. regardless, knowing his lifestyle, they are all justifiable statements as to the possibility of what pushed him to that point, including the possibility of steroid use. and if he WAS on roids, they certainly didn't help the situation any, so there isn't any point in defending them whatsoever... people don't just up and decide to kill their wife and child for no reason. something conditions their mind to do that. everyone formulates the outcome of their being through some experience or another. you don't just go crazy and start killing people for shits and giggles... |
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There are possible legitimate reasons for a 7 year old to take HGH.
Don't be so sensationalist. You're sounding like Fox News.
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The kid was probably taking it for health reasons.. Only a nut would give his 7 year old son HGH otherwise.. My bad.
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Drug companies sure have everyone by the balls, don't they. They can buy congressmen, they can by a president, now it looks like they have bought WWE officials. How otherwise would you explain blatant advocating, or as they call it - concerns over media speculations. Why such a radical stance over it? Why protect the use of steroids with such a passion and sound like everything is at stake here? Is it that maybe their main sponsor has got them by the balls and is dictating them to?
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ANother tid bit...
Benoit was a known and documented wife beater... But hey, lets not jump to conclusions here... Lets defend him some more and blame the media like WWE has been doing. :/
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kid apparently had some fucked up disease.. maybe the hgh helped..
"Aside from intellectual disability (mental retardation), prominent characteristics of the syndrome include an elongated face, large or protruding ears, flat feet, larger testicals in men (macroorchidism), and low muscle tone." |
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Again, there are legit reasons for a kid to take HGH. If you've ever seen pics of Daniel, you'll see that there's something wrong with him.
I'm not defending Benoit. Until last night, he was one of my favorite wrestlers. Now I'm just appalled at his actions. I'm just simply saying there's no need to get all sensational over hearsay when the actual facts are sensational enough as it is. Quote:
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And warning signs dont equal murder... But in this case they did... Again people defending someone who was a worst case sceniero scumbag.
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Healthy HGH use or not.. I guess it really doesnt matter...
Daddy killed em. Cant help but disect what the fuck went wrong can you? Something went wrong.. This wasnt just some random act... This whole thing is just fucked up. How can you NOT look back and add up all the fucked up shit here and there.
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Dont think of me as some hater or wrestling critic.. Im a huge fan. And as a fan I was always impressed and enjoyed Benoit. From his WCW days to WWE days.. I loved watching him...
But people wrestling is fake.. The character you see and love on TV isnt the person in real life. This guy was very very fucked up in real life. That is a FACT..... For the WWE to paint this guy as a babyface in real life was a very stupid move in their part.. Dont fall for that shit. This guy is or was the worst that it gets. Scum of the scum.. And to think otherwise about him is a mistake.. This guy was fucked up...
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There's no doubt in anyone's mind that Benoit was seriously fucked up behind the scenes.
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but until yesterday... who knew? And the tribute was done before there were any real details... and after the shit they took from 'going on with the show', after owen... they pretty much had to do the tribute show... which up til the news that benoit was the bad guy came out, people pretty much thought it was a good thing. hindsight sucks. |
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suggesting steroids played a big role in him killing his wife is not a "fair observation". its a baseless assumption being defended by some as fact... and without any real knowledge of the topic or any rational basis for such an assumption. |
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what would be his reason to do that? he's career is doing good... that was really crazy...
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Murder suicides are often the result of one partner cheating... I'd be surprised if this isn't the driving reason.
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Chris had a background of issues with Nancy, she reported his abusive behaviour to police 4 years ago and was going to seek a restraining order but changed her mind.
She was also seeking custody of their son in a divorce settlement. So obviously there were long-term issues in that household. So to all the junior detectives and pharmaceutical experts ... try actually learning some facts before you speculate maybe? Jesus, you're worse than Nancy Grace. |
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but if you drink booze and drive your car , you have to know that could happen. thus steroids dont cause people to murder someone , but if you know that you get OVERLY mad when your on steroids, then getting mad while on steroids could cause you to lose it.. in both cases the drug doesnt cause the result but its a major factor ..
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your evidence only further suggests he could have been a frequent sterioid rage guy and this time he went too far , certainly doesnt rule out steroids as playing a major role.. i think some people just tak offense to the steroid theory because maybe they have taken them and dont think they are capable of murdering their family , and this is most likely the case. i dont think anyone is trying to imply taking steroids will turn you into a blood thristy killer. but i think there's a lot of people capable of murder that never act upon it.
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