Shap

Hey guys. We have Nicole Graves doing a live chat tonight and we have just absolutely killed the Camz network. It's insane. There are more than 1400 members in the chat and i think it's capped out now LOL. There are too many posts and Nicole can't keep up. The chat is flying by at lightspeed. It's sick.

The really shitty thing is this admin Rhea is a total bitch. And the Camz network doesn't seem to have been able to handle our traffic. The video has been down most of the show and it looks like most of their network is really slow right now.

So despite the bad parts it's pretty cool that our members had the power to do this

SlamDesigns

Congratz Shap. What the hell did you expect with Nicole though? She's freaking hot!!

Shap

Too bad this admin is ruining it.

Jace

wow, this is the first I have heard of Camz not handling a cam show, large or small

wonder what happened?

Shap

True. I didn't know what to expect. I heard from other big companies they got 150 or so to a well advertised show. I just put this up today and we are killing their network lol.

Dodge2hot

You got that right... Fucking hot..


Congrats man.

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tony286

why not talk to dan he is a good guy , instead of trashing his employee here?

Shap

I don't know. I think 1400 people chatting at once is making their heads spin. I think they had problems with Nicole's feed to start and then once it got started they couldn't keep up with the posts. The wrong admin for the wrong chat. This lady has no idea what she is doing and based on this experience i'm very disappointed in camz. The admin's name is Rhea and she is absolutely retarded. Rude and has no clue. I don't appreciate my members being treated the way she is treating them. She's a rude mean bitch. If this is the way it goes with Camz i don't think we'll be having another live chat with them.

Shap

Tony. I don't know Dan. And I'm sitting here right now watching this clueless employee of his trash talk my employees. I'm pretty pissed at how they are handling it. She must be used to 50 people shows.

Shap

I've actually received 5 emails from members complaining about the way they are being treated on the chat.

SlamDesigns

That's bullshit, man. Sorry to hear that.

Jace

well, I have to agree with you on that one, there is no excuse for a rude employee, ever

Thurbs

should get crystal klein in chat

CaptainHowdy

Crazy stufffffffffff !!

Shap

Well we proved tonight we have the power to deliver in numbers. The question now is to find a cams company that can handle our members and that knows how to treat members with respect.

It really sucks when i put up links to this show and they turn around and bitch out my members. Especially when the chat was customized to look like it was still on Twistys. So in essence that employee/admin was representing Twistys. Let's just say that first impression of camz was really bad. I'm not only disappointed but pretty pissed off by all this.

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Wiggles

how was she being rude? just curious

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Shap

The video didn't work for the first 15 minutes. So you had 1400+ people sitting there viewing and 100s chatting. The chat msgs were flying in faster than you could imagine (i was floored). She couldn't keep up and lost her cool. "PEOPLE BE PATIENT" her tone was just absolutely bitchy. No respect. Really treated my members like slimeballs.

Shap

I would have saved the chat but the damn thing kept crashing. I don't know whether it was our traffic or not but the Camz servers got smoked tonight. Things definitely did not go smoothly.

studiocritic

heh there's definitely no excuse for her to treat your members that way.. if i were you, i'd send out a proactive email to all your members about the chat and explain to them it was a 3rd party whom you won't be using in the future.

i'm sure you can find a professional company who'd be happy to have the traffic

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tony286

your members are not the only people on camz and how do you read the tone of words on a screen. very unprofessional for you to come here and trash camz . why not contact the owner of camz like a professional. 1400 is what vicky vette gets for every show she does and has no problem on camz.so that number isnt a first for them

Spunky

She needs my manhood to calm her down

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Shap

I agree. The funny thing is i spent 2 hours prior to the show chatting with members that were waiting there. I was answering their questions and just chatting with them and getting feedback on the site etc. They were really nice guys and very respectful. Within 5 minutes of the show starting (but no video) the admin kicked 3 of those guys out for asking repeatedly how to see the video. And then within 10 minutes after that i saw another 10 or so leave the show. These are guys that waited 2 hours for the show and were chatting with me and enjoying it and when the show started they left because of the way the admin started treating them.

BradM

Shap,
Consider setting your own service up. I am sure they just aren't prepared to stream that much to so many locations.

Shap

They set up a private room for twistys members only. That's how i know.

It's unprofessional for camz to treat my members that way. I stand by my members and any company that treats them like shit i will trash talk them in public and in private.

tony286

why didnt you talk to them the moment the first time it happened, such a big event for your members and you dont have a way contact to the guy in charge?????

Shap

Tony it's obvious you are buddies with Dan. Which i respect. I don't know Dan. my crew put this deal together at the last minute and worked out getting it customized etc. When i log in and see what i just saw happen. I'm not going to bite my tongue. FUCK THAT. My members are precious to me and anybody that messes with that will hear about it.

Shap

Dude it happened at the last second. Somehow this whole show was presented to us less than 24 hours before it happened. I personally don't have a single contact info for anybody at camz. My crew set it up and handled it all. It's midnight and nobody from the Twistys team is up but me. This was something that was put together at the last second hoping it would be a hit. We sent the traffic (as we always do) and in the end the last minute deal didn't go so great.

tony286

actually im not , my wife does shows for her members there but thats it. i met him once i think. i just think blasting a company on here without talking to them first is unprofessional. also your members are very important to you, your crew should had dans contact info ready if something happened.
the admins deal with some of the biggest assholes in the world in those rooms, thats a really tough job and they protect the girls from most of the bullshit.

Shap

I agree 100%. We should have had control over it. But since it was Nicole who is also this month's treat we went ahead with the deal even though it wasn't handled properly in terms of being ready. I believe the same can be said for camz obviously the admin was not prepared for the shitstorm that went her way. I understand that. And I understand posting here isn't the most professional thing. I agree with you. But I'll still do it. I'm a members first type of guy. I've burned bridges and cost myself money over the last 5 years by protecting my members. It's something i'll do as long as I'm in this business. You won't find a single person in our industry that cares more for their members.

Shap

Truth is Dan may come on here pissed that i made these posts. I have no regrets. His employee trash talked my members. If he has a problem with me posting about it then that is just too bad. You mess with my members you can kiss business with me goodbye.

tony286

actually i know another person who cares as much,thats why i wont be rich lol

Shap

venus

If you are doing member only video/chat why not set your own server up, its not a big deal to do, not overally expensive either. I have been doing live video since 1998, I would never put my webcam up on someone elses server, I like to have my own control over it all.

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Shap

Actually here's the best part of this whole thing. I've got 5 computers here. I'm computer savvy. I have all the latest codecs etc. Here we are 2006 in a live video chat and not once over the course of the hour could i get the video to work. How is that possible? How weak is that?

The funny thing is 7 or 8 years ago when i was with Xpics for a bit i moderated a chat once and it was smooth as silk. Here we are 7 years later and the live video chat was a complete nightmare and didn't even load on my end. I wasn't alone either because every minute there were 2 to 5 people asking how to get the video to work. Something went wrong tonight. Either Camz has an absolutely shitty setup or we really had an unlucky experience with them and their employees.

Dan

WOW amazing

1. We received a call yesterday from Kevin and he asked us if there was anything we could do to provide them access to the show so they could show it to their members at Twistys.


2.I went a step further and said that I would set them up with a custom page if they forward me a designed page we would add the show and chat room into the page so they could help promote a CamZ girl's site as well as entertain the members.

3 after hand coding the page and getting it to them in a very short time we had it all set up and working.

4. We are in the proccess of a hosting move with half of our servers still at our old host and the other half at the new host it is a daunting task as you can imagine. 30 min prior to this show they were promoting one of our data base servers took a nose dive and we had a bottle neck.

5. We worked as we always do very hard and quickly to regain control of any slow down. BTW I am very proud of my crew and the way they regained control of the servers as fast as they did considering.

6. During the process the admin lost connection as well to the chat server during a restart of apache this was thought to be that she walked from the room.

7. a couple of points of facts to consider here. CamZ regularly serves more then 3000 people at one time. The room that was provided for Twistys was NOT only for their members but it was all the members from CamZ network where there was 2 other one hour hardcore shows going on at the same time as this show being discussed here. Those other two rooms had more then 1000 people in them as well.

8. I will not comment on what I think regarding the use of this forum in the manor it is being used. It would serve no other purpose other then that of a self serving one. CamZ clients know the quality of the service and the feeds we provide on a regular basis

We certainly would like to apologize not only to Coco but to all of the CamZ performers and clients as well as the Twistys crew and members who had the temporary outage due to the problems with the move and this server.

As for the behavior of the chat admin we maintain a very professional training program for these admin's and considering what they have to endure from some very rude people at times we consider them to be the best at what they do.

With that said I will certainly be pulling the log of the chat during that hour or so and making sure that they did what they were to do in the manner we expect them to. If they are found to be rude we will certainly take immediate action to correct and or remove that admin from our system.

However after reading through the misstatements from this thread I expect to find that the admin did the job very well considering the trouble that they we were having.

We have been providing Live Hardcore shows to more then 120,000 members a day for more then 6 years. With our new custom integration of our live hardcore shows it is the best live hardcore content on the net. We know a thing or two about broadcasting live shows It was just a bad night for our servers with the move. Shit happens.. we learn, correct the problem and move on.

Thanks for your time and I may be back to either make another apology for the admin and or correcting more misstatements after reading the log tomorrow.

Regards and Happy Holidays!!

Dan

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Shap

Dan the truth is mistakes happen. That's life. I think everybody in the chat understood that. I would have never made a post if it were just mistakes, slowness and downtime. The admin pushed me over the edge and pissed me off beyond belief. There is no excuse for the way she was. You guys may have 120,000 peopple in a room at once but last night was out of control. A large percentage of people could not get the video to load (myself included). The admin was rude. In fact when you read the chat log you'll see she was also rude to Nicole.

Anyhow it's a new day I'm not going to dwell on this any longer. I've had to put up a post in my members area apologizing for the behavior of the admin in the chat.

YNG Prod

Nicole and I would just like to thank everyone for trying. We know shit happens so we will chaulk it up to experience and move on. Thanks again to all!

Shap

Nobody from our crew has heard back from Dan or anybody from Camz. The only people we've heard from (regarding this) is our upset and disappointed members who have been emailing in complaining about the Live Video Chat experience they had.

It's always a blessing when you see a company's true colors the first day you do business with them. Camz is obviously not the type of company we like to do business with. They have absolutely no idea how to treat clients.

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Far-L

Actually, the biggest blessing is that there are people out there like yourself that care about your member's well being as deeply.

RESPECT.

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That's great

Basic_man

That's one pretty funny story

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RealityWife

We have seen shows with over 2500 members in a chat room with other filled chat rooms and the system ran quite smoothly. That sucks you had a bad experience but Ive learned that sometimes that happens on the net. I hope you decide to stick with the Camz network, as I feel they have a lot to offer.

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Jake

NaughtyAllie and NaughtyJulie both do 2 shows every week on the Camz network. Each of them have well over 2,000 people in their shows on a consistent basis so I highly doubt the 1400 pepople in Nicole's chat were the cause of any issues you experienced.

I do know that Dan is in the middle of a major server move so perhaps that has something to do with the problems you've mentioned.

In regards to the admin being rude, one thing you have to remember is that during the course of a one hour show I'm guessing more than 10,000 people roll through that room. The admin's job is to make sure a few pricks don't ruin the show for everyone. Since I wasn't there I have no idea what was said and perhaps the admin was a little overzealous in an attempt to quell disruptive chat room behavior. Either way, I'm not sure this is an issue for the board. Seems to me something like this could have been handled owner to owner.

I can tell you one thing for sure, Allie has been doing shows on the Camz network for nearly 4 years now and has always been very pleased with the perfomance of the network and the admins who keep the assholes to a minimum.



Either way

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tony286

Amen Brother Jake

Scroto

I have been to camz many times over the years and the thing that has stood out many many times is that the admin/mods are almost always....assholes