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School shooting in Missouri...
So the little 13 years old boy had a backpack full of explosives and shot people with his AK-47... Which begs the question: Who gave that little kid the automatic assault gun? Sighs...
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what is wrong with the usa and all these people targeting our schools?
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Another crazy shit on the loose!
Who's to blame here? The media? --- Online wargames? --- or the parents? Which is which?
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You can only be happy that no one was hurt.
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Only my ![]() It's easy to blame the shooters, (sure they are the immediate target for blame), tho there is usually a background story. Some simply have a mental problem, others have been abused for years and seeking revenge, - who knows what the story is behind this young lad who allegedly planned this for some time, - but there sure as hell is a story behind that. Another factor in this specific case is how the hell did he access an assault weapon in the first instance? Where are the parents? Bottom line - you get the society your create and there can be good and bad from that. There is a cost for the bad, and the whole society usually have a role in the responsibility for the bad.
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what the fuck is wrong with kids today...and their parents for that matter???
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This is what happens when you stick kids in buildings all day
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unbelievable.
![]() i wonder if he got picked on and tormented everday.. or if he had pre-existing mental problems..
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great what kids are up to today
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Gawd Bless America!
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That's always the first thing I wonder as well, sadly...
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A responsible gun owner in the United States, namely Florida does not go off shooting in schools. You have twice as much chance being attacked fatally by an aligator in florida, than being shot by a Concealed Licensed Firearm Owner.
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Anthony, stand answer: If the parents didn't have a gun to start with, the issue of responsiblity wouldn't even come up.
I don't worry about you, licensed concealed carrier, I worry about the guy who stole your guy, or the kid the borrowed it out of your holster or the thirty seven other people that have gun and don't have a license for them. Redo your stats based on chance of getting shot overall... not just from licensed weapons, and the numbers are completely different. |
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Looks like we'll be seeing a lot more school shootings in the future. Seems to be the trend.
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Firearms in the USA are NOT going away. This child should be punished as an adult for what he has done. If the firearm was from his parent's collection, they should be punished, stripped of their rights to own a firearm.
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the parents should be sent to jail. and the kid should be shot infront of them. enough of this "it was the media" bullshit.
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Agree totally that parents bear a responsibilty - they are often the first in the firing line for condemnation when an incident occurs. However anyone, whether a child or otherwise, can obtain a weapon if they so wish - and for whatever legitimate or otherwise purpose. Bottom line - live with a gun culture and pay the price - tho under these circumstances there can also be more positive results in the fact that a gun is a method of protection. It's almost a vicious circle. Quote:
Another indicator of assessibility of guns to children - one survey of around 3000 children across the US resulted in findings that 60ish percent could access a weapon in a short time if they so wished. This suggests there is a core underlying problem?? Overall.. if folks have guns, they may use them - for whatever purpose. In a way it's like purveying the concept of "national security" when, in reality, it will not stop any determined attacker.
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without reading much comments, and reading something along the lines of "Whos to blame?" lets review
guns available to anyone now days... nerdy kids in school getting picked on all the time... jock kids who think they are cool so they pick.... nerdy kid gets dads gun.... goes in to blow the brains out of the jock kids for making his life a living hell since school started yup... |
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You seem to sidetrack again that the rest of the world's countries are not GUN CULTURES. Why do you try to argue a point about the lower suicide rates of the USA (Gun Culture), versus one that does not (Japan)? But arguments can be structured any way. The National Safety Council put out this report: The chances in my lifetime living in the United States of dying... Assault with Firearm 1 in 222 Passenger in a car 1 in 237 My chances go up surviving an assault with a firearm, as I am armed, but does not changed with riding in a car. Let's ban cars! Quote:
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How do you explain this then? Canada does not have a gun culture, and it is illegal to own certain weapons, and heavily tracked. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ....ap/index.html Florida is different, and if you bothered to look at stats for the state you would know that crime is down, assaults and rapes are down, to coincided funny enough with Concealed Weapons Permits. Quote:
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I read this and my jaw dropped!! I used to live outside of Joplin in a much smaller town. I always assumed that things like this only happened in large cities, but I guess it can happen anywhere. I still have so many friends there, and I hope everyone is OK and uneffected by this.
Maybe it's just me, but isn't there just way too many of these damn shootings going on recently? Why aren't the schools really reacting to this and changing rules and regulations to make it harder for this to happen! I hope this "trend" ends quickly! ![]() |
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thats fucked up
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Wow thats not to far from me..
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wow.. an AK47, holy shit.... he wanted to get to the point...
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Just a quick note, nobody legally sells automatic firearms. Just because it was an AK-47, it was sold semi automatic and would remain so unless it was tampered with. Automatic aka machine guns have been that way for a shit load of time.
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So many wasted young lives these past days..
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good thing nobody died!
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probably one of the clowns on this board...
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I'm just glad I'm not in highschool anymore. If I was in school still. It seems to me I would have a better chance of being killed a school shooting then I would die from: crashing my speedboat, drowning, an auto accident, plane crash or alchohol poisoning.
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There are stats all over the net, - mainly based on CDC, FBI or DOJ data (tho when using comparisons with other countries, allow margin of error since the laws and methods of recording offenses can vary. In fact it's almost impossible to do exact comparisons with other nations on any crime stats)... Here's a quick stat - tho only of handguns in relation to murders.. Quote:
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A couple of odd stats stand out - eg Switzerland where almost every household has a weapon, but gun deaths (pro rata population) are so low that records can be counted on one or two hands. (This may be attributed to gun training where males apparently serve in a "home defense" org as a matter of course - but who knows) Quote:
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Gotta go in a min.. but will give another personal example. Was offered firearms training by a US govt officer who in an earlier life was a firearms instructor. The basics were explained - then the background. She was of an opinion that unless an individual undertook a "real" firearms training, any weapon was more likely to be used against the gun owner. This is after having witnessed more than enough SOC's anyone would want to witness in a lifetime. Her opinion may be biased - who knows, (and may well be simply because she saw the "other side" only), but something to think about. The same govt officer is oddly is support of having weapons, not just to enable her to do a job, but generally (as long as the weapon remains secured, the owner has a training in it's use, and not treated as a macho toy.) Even with law enforcement - silly stuff happens. One officer managed to shoot himself, not once, but twice in the left portion of his body (DUH??? ![]() Another quick item... The country where we operate has taken a policy of destroying as many guns as possible (cutting them up) - these guns were either recovered from illegal possession or where folks simply wanted to hand them in for destruction. They are also destroying any unnecessary weapons currently in government use and implementing strict customs controls on all imported weapons. The philosophy is that the less guns in circulation - the less gun deaths. (Not that there was a crisis in gun deaths in the first instance). Will get back to your Canadian and Florida point shortly ![]()
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