70 Million More Guns = Less Crime - GoFuckYourself.com

spunkmaster · 09-23-2006, 01:31 PM

Data released by the FBI on Monday showed that in 2005, the nation's total violent crime rate was 38% lower than in 1991, when violent crime hit an all-time high. Rates of the individual categories of violent crime were also much lower in 2005 than in 1991. Murder was 43% lower, rape 25% lower, robbery 48% lower, and aggravated assault 33% lower. The FBI's report came on the heels of a Bureau of Justice Statistics crime survey that found that violent crime was lower in 2005 than anytime in the survey's 32-year history.

Defying the anti-gunners' claim that more guns means more crime, from 1991-2005 the number of privately owned guns increased by more than 70 million.

The news media often characterize violent crime as a primarily gun-oriented problem, but the FBI's report showed that only one in every four violent crimes in 2005 was committed with a gun. In 2005, as in previous years, most violent crimes were robberies and aggravated assaults, most of which were committed with knives or bare hands.

Recently, anti-gun politicians and activists have intensified their rhetoric over the "lack" of bans on handguns, so-called "assault weapons", and .50-caliber rifles; gun registration, gun owner licensing, and mandatory background checks on sales of guns between friends and family members; and limits on the frequency of gun purchases, all of which they say are necessary to reduce the nation's murder rate. But for the last seven years, the murder rate has been steady¾in the 5.5-5.7 per 100,000 population range¾at all times lower than anytime since the mid-1960s. In 2005, for example, the murder rate was 5.6.

Naturally, anti-gunners will downplay the downward trend in violent crime since 1991, and focus on the fact that the FBI's report showed a 1% increase in total violent crime, and a 2% increase in murder in 2005, compared to 2004. But those changes are miniscule, compared to the huge decrease in crime over the last 14 years.

The FBI's report once again confirmed that violent crime rates are lower in states with Right-to-Carry (RTC) laws. In 2005, RTC states had, on average, 22% lower total violent crime, 30% less murder, 46% lower robbery, and 12% lower aggravated assault rates, compared to the rest of the country.

As usual, Washington, D.C., which leads the nation in anti-gun laws, led the nation in murder, with a rate six times higher than the rest of the country. Neighboring Maryland, where gun control advocates have been particularly active recently, once again had the highest robbery rate among the states, but also tied for the unenviable distinction of "first place" in murder among the states. However, despite Maryland's high crime counts, CeaseFire Maryland, the local Brady Campaign affiliate that recently released a paper demanding an "assault weapon" ban, was unable to point to any crimes in the state involving such a gun.

The FBI's report must have displeased New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg (R). Despite the mayor's recent posturing on the gun issue, and his self-laudatory comments about fighting crime, the Big Apple's murder rate was more than double that of the rest of the state. Similarly, in Philadelphia, where anti-gun politicians are calling for a statewide one-gun-a-month law, the murder rate was more than seven times higher than the rest of Pennsylvania.

Adding to the reasons why voters should "Dump Doyle" in Wisconsin's upcoming gubernatorial election, their state had the greatest total violent crime rate increase (15.1%) between 2004-2005. Murder was up 25.2%; robbery up 11.2%; and aggravated assault up 20.2%. Wisconsin is one of only two states that prohibits Right-to-Carry entirely, but in 2005, 11 of the 12 states that had the greatest decreases in total violent crime, and 12 of the 14 states with the greatest decreases in murder were Right-to-Carry states. The seven states with the lowest total violent crime rates in 2005, and 11 of the 12 states that had the lowest murder rates, were Right-to-Carry states.

Last, but not least, is good news from Florida, the state that during the last 20 years has been most often attacked by anti-gunners, for (among other reasons) setting the Right-to-Carry and "Castle Doctrine" movements in motion. In 2005, Florida recorded a murder rate 13% lower than the rate for the rest of the country (4.96 per 100,000, vs. 5.67 for the rest of the country). For the record, Florida's 2005 murder rate was 58% lower than it was in 1986, the last year before the state's landmark Right-to-Carry law took effect.

squishypimp · 09-23-2006, 01:35 PM

im anti-gun for alotta reasons and i dont believe guns that are "assult" types should be sold in the USA. I think regular hunting grade guns are fine though.

ForteCash · 09-23-2006, 01:53 PM

Bang bang!

spasmo · 09-23-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by squishypimp

im anti-gun for alotta reasons and i dont believe guns that are "assult" types should be sold in the USA. I think regular hunting grade guns are fine though.

They all shoot bullets. Assault weapon or not, I'm fairly sure I'd complain if I got tagged by one no matter what gun it came out of.

That being said, I own guns not because I'm a fanatic or particularly paranoid...it just makes sense. Insurance.

tranza · 09-23-2006, 02:01 PM

That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard...

Sly · 09-23-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tranza

That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard...

What's stupid about facts? Assuming everything above is true.

I think its a pretty strong argument.

spunkmaster · 09-23-2006, 02:43 PM

CPSC Warns about Pool Hazards, Reports 250 Deaths of Young Children Annually:
Federal Agency Launches Drowning Prevention Initiative, Holding Public Hearings
WASHINGTON, D.C. – The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) today is launching a drowning prevention campaign as part of an intensified initiative to prevent the tragic drowning of 250 children under the age of 5 annually in swimming pools. Among unintentional injuries, drowning has been the second leading cause of death to children under age 5, after motor vehicle incidents. In 2002, an estimated 1,600 children were treated in hospital emergency rooms for submersion injuries. Many of these deaths and injuries occur in residential pools.

“That so many young children drown each year is devastating,” said CPSC Chairman Hal Stratton. “Each of these deaths is not only the pointless end of a promising life, but an overwhelming grief for the family that goes on for years and years. As a father, I cannot imagine having to endure the pain of such a loss.”

Lets outlaw pools ?

justsexxx · 09-23-2006, 02:51 PM

You guys are funny....Oh well, have fun in your safe country

spunkmaster · 09-23-2006, 04:39 PM

US Swimming Pool deaths since 1995:

Causes Deaths
• Swimming pools, cause not specified = 51,835
• Swimming activity or apparel = 36258
• In-ground swimming pools = 23590
• Diving or diving boards = 12078
• Swimming pool equipment = 5732
• Swimming pool chemicals = 4060
• Above-ground swimming pools = 1827
• Swimming pool slides = 1669
• Wading pools = 1345

The US is a very Dangerous country !

Joe Citizen · 09-23-2006, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by spunkmaster

Naturally, anti-gunners will downplay the downward trend in violent crime since 1991, and focus on the fact that the FBI's report showed a 1% increase in total violent crime, and a 2% increase in murder in 2005, compared to 2004. But those changes are miniscule, compared to the huge decrease in crime over the last 14 years.

No the anti-gunners will point out the actual firearm statistics instead of misrepresenting the data.

For example in 2004 the number of victims of firearm violence was 331,630 but in 2005 it rose dramatically to 477,040. In 2004 the percentage of firearm violence as a proportion of all violent incidents was 6%. In 2005 this rose to 9%. A staggering increase.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/...onfataltab.htm

So yes, more guns = more gun violence.

E$_manager · 09-23-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by spunkmaster

US Swimming Pool deaths since 1995:

Causes Deaths
? Swimming pools, cause not specified = 51,835
? Swimming activity or apparel = 36258
? In-ground swimming pools = 23590
? Diving or diving boards = 12078
? Swimming pool equipment = 5732
? Swimming pool chemicals = 4060
? Above-ground swimming pools = 1827
? Swimming pool slides = 1669
? Wading pools = 1345

The US is a very Dangerous country !

MrMaxwell · 09-23-2006, 09:27 PM

More guns = more gun violence?
Sheep!

Well sheep get sheared pal
They don't tell you that it is more gun violence against criminals
I know things most people don't know and I can tell you that when good poeple have firearms- bad people get away with alot less of their stealing and raping and murdering.

Believe me or don't believe me but remember - to disagree with The Fred is to be a Complete Idiot

GatorB · 09-23-2006, 10:01 PM

I guess Iraq must be the safest country in the world. That goes for the rest of the Mideast and Africa were people are allow to carry guns around all the time.

If you need a gun to protect yourself you are living in the wrong place. Please move out of the ghetto. Sell your food stamps for money if you have to, but move out.

GatorB · 09-23-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by spunkmaster

US Swimming Pool deaths since 1995:

Causes Deaths
? Swimming pools, cause not specified = 51,835
? Swimming activity or apparel = 36258
? In-ground swimming pools = 23590
? Diving or diving boards = 12078
? Swimming pool equipment = 5732
? Swimming pool chemicals = 4060
? Above-ground swimming pools = 1827
? Swimming pool slides = 1669
? Wading pools = 1345

The US is a very Dangerous country !

Show me the last time some kid killed his fellow classmates with a swimming pool.

MrMaxwell · 09-23-2006, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Show me the last time some kid killed his fellow classmates with a swimming pool.

All he would have to do is invite his friends over when the parents were stoned like you or out to dinner

MrMaxwell · 09-23-2006, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

I guess Iraq must be the safest country in the world. That goes for the rest of the Mideast and Africa were people are allow to carry guns around all the time.

If you need a gun to protect yourself you are living in the wrong place. Please move out of the ghetto. Sell your food stamps for money if you have to, but move out.

That's a stupid and ridiculous point you've made.
America in 90% good people who want a peaceful and civilized existance.
Iraq is right at about 30%
Go figure that one you big dummy

Drake · 09-23-2006, 10:25 PM

70 million guns. That's whole lot of guns and a lot of $$$

stickyfingerz · 09-23-2006, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

I guess Iraq must be the safest country in the world. That goes for the rest of the Mideast and Africa were people are allow to carry guns around all the time.

If you need a gun to protect yourself you are living in the wrong place. Please move out of the ghetto. Sell your food stamps for money if you have to, but move out.

Tell that to the guy who had to stop 3 criminals from forcefully entering his house by driving a truck through his garage. The one thing that stopped them from harming his family was 3 bullets put through the intruders. Ill look for the post in a bit here.

Drake · 09-23-2006, 10:28 PM

There's tremendous amount of civility and restraint in Americans when you think about it . 70 million guns. Wow.

cess · 09-23-2006, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by spunkmaster

US Swimming Pool deaths since 1995:

Causes Deaths
? Swimming pools, cause not specified = 51,835
? Swimming activity or apparel = 36258
? In-ground swimming pools = 23590
? Diving or diving boards = 12078
? Swimming pool equipment = 5732
? Swimming pool chemicals = 4060
? Above-ground swimming pools = 1827
? Swimming pool slides = 1669
? Wading pools = 1345

The US is a very Dangerous country !

WoW glad I don't swim often!

stickyfingerz · 09-23-2006, 10:37 PM

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=658286

Dirty Danza in that thread had to use his HK to defend his family. What might of happened if he hadnt had it?

Anthony · 09-23-2006, 10:48 PM

Me and Mega from Mayor's Money just got home from the Sportsbar watching the UFC.

I loved this thread so much, I had to put up pics.

Mega with a couple of 1911A1 .45's

Me with an AR15

Viva La Florida!

smack · 09-23-2006, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

I guess Iraq must be the safest country in the world. That goes for the rest of the Mideast and Africa were people are allow to carry guns around all the time.

If you need a gun to protect yourself you are living in the wrong place. Please move out of the ghetto. Sell your food stamps for money if you have to, but move out.

you know, i hate to be the one to wreck your fantasy, but crime doesn't just happen in the ghetto.

Webby · 09-23-2006, 10:55 PM

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More Children Killed by Firearms in One Year than Three Years of American Soliders in Iraq

The Children?s Defense Fund (CDF) releases its report on gun violence against children, ?Protect Children, Not Guns,? at a time when major U.S. cities are calling for strategies to combat illegal firearms. Citing the most recent data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the report reveals that 2,827 children and teens died as a result of gun violence in 2003 ? more than the number of American fighting men and women killed in hostile action in Iraq from 2003 to April 2006.

?Just as gruesome as incoming casualties from a battlefield, the bodies of young gunshot victims stream into urban hospital trauma centers on the frontlines of an undeclared war on America?s children,? said Marian Wright Edelman, president of the Children?s Defense Fund. The children that die every year from gunshot wounds come from all racial groups and are all ages. Some of the children killed by guns are too young to start kindergarten.

?The deaths of thousands of children each year is morally obscene for the world?s most powerful nation, which has more resources to address its social ills than any other nation,? said Edelman.

No comment.

spunkmaster · 09-23-2006, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

No comment.

Most of these deaths would have still happened if guns weren't around because most were killed by a boyfriend, mother, father etc. and they would have found another way to kill the kids.

Look up the facts on guns that killed kids (or adults) by accident and the numbers are quite low !

Lykos · 09-23-2006, 11:17 PM

Guns really sux

Dagwolf · 09-23-2006, 11:21 PM

The population increased by about 40 million during that time. Maybe having babies and letting in immigrands is what cuts down on crime.

Or maybe it's the number of Del Taco restaurants that shut down that causes it.

GatorB · 09-23-2006, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by smack

you know, i hate to be the one to wreck your fantasy, but crime doesn't just happen in the ghetto.

I hate to burst you bubble, but I'll be 38 in December and never have owned a gun and have never needed the use of one. Funny how I've managed to live so long without a gun.

GatorB · 09-23-2006, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by spunkmaster

Most of these deaths would have still happened if guns weren't around because most were killed by a boyfriend, mother, father etc. and they would have found another way to kill the kids.

Look up the facts on guns that killed kids (or adults) by accident and the numbers are quite low !

Really? Then how come the murder rate in England is 1/100 the US even though the country is 1/5 the population of the US?

See a pissed off dude coming into work with a knife can kill FAR LESS people than the same dude with an AK47. Anyone that thinks otherwise and give me a gun and come after me with a knife and we'll see who wins.

GatorB · 09-23-2006, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

That's a stupid and ridiculous point you've made.
America in 90% good people who want a peaceful and civilized existance.
Iraq is right at about 30%
Go figure that one you big dummy

Show me the link to where is it's FACT that only 30% of Iraqis want peaceful existances. Quit pulling number out of your ass.

You're quite defensive about this. I can only assume your penis is very small.

Webby · 09-23-2006, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by spunkmaster

Most of these deaths would have still happened if guns weren't around because most were killed by a boyfriend, mother, father etc. and they would have found another way to kill the kids.

Look up the facts on guns that killed kids (or adults) by accident and the numbers are quite low !

It would appear 66% of actual deaths are homicides and a further third are suicides. As far as kids are concerned - eg Japan's recent crime stats show no child deaths resulting from firearms (and the population of Japan is just under half that of the US), tho there remain 3000+'ish child deaths annually in the US. That says a lot.

Bottom line - there is a problem in that gun-related deaths are far in excess of all western industrialized countries combined.

Here's a couple more quotes - tho to use them in isolation without some qualification/comparison may not exactly tell the truth, but the main undercurrent is fairly obvious.

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Children and Gun Violence
In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)

America and Gun Violence
American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)

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* America is losing too many children to gun violence. Between 1979 and 2001, gunfire killed 90,000 children and teens in America. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)
* In one year, more children and teens died from gunfire than from cancer, pneumonia, influenza, asthma, and HIV/AIDS combined. (Children's Defense Fund)
* The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)
* Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence. (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence)
* The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)
* American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)

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Comparison of U.S. gun homicides to other industrialized countries:
In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:

* 373 people in Germany
* 151 people in Canada
* 57 people in Australia
* 19 people in Japan
* 54 people in England and Wales, and
* 11,789 people in the United States

MrMaxwell · 09-24-2006, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

I hate to burst you bubble, but I'll be 38 in December and never have owned a gun and have never needed the use of one. Funny how I've managed to live so long without a gun.

You're so mindless over there that you would lose a debate with a six year old. The reason you have never owned or had to own a gun is because you've been lucky and there are people who do have guns who are willing to protect you from what you never could protect yourself from.

MrMaxwell · 09-24-2006, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Really? Then how come the murder rate in England is 1/100 the US even though the country is 1/5 the population of the US?

See a pissed off dude coming into work with a knife can kill FAR LESS people than the same dude with an AK47. Anyone that thinks otherwise and give me a gun and come after me with a knife and we'll see who wins.

And I am sure that you think that a law against a rifle will stop that crazy fool from doing what you're describing. Right.. ?

MrMaxwell · 09-24-2006, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Show me the link to where is it's FACT that only 30% of Iraqis want peaceful existances. Quit pulling number out of your ass.

You're quite defensive about this. I can only assume your penis is very small.

30%... I was being generous with that number and you know it.
Telling me I got a small dick is like telling me how small your dick is.
Mine is perfect.
I've got a good dick, a good set of balls, guns and brains.
Mental case!

pr0 · 09-24-2006, 12:51 AM

Lets just assume for a moment, all guns were banned tomorrow.

Day #1-3... - Voluntary turn-ins of all registered weapons to your local police station.

Day #3-15 - Mandatory collection of all registered weapons to your local police department.

Day #16-120....- The police & national gaurd go to every house, of every registered gun owner who hasn't turned in all their weapons, & take them by force.

End result:
#1 - 250 million guns have been collected or turned in.

#2 - 15,000 police & national gaurd members have been killed or wounded, by citizens who take "from my cold dead hands" 100% seriously.

#3 - Several million new holes have been dug in the ground all accross neighborhoods in america, and interstingly enough...several million "lost/misplaced/stolen gun" calls are made to local police departments.

#4 - Several hundred thousand new "illegal" weapons hit the streets....as gun owners accross america sell off their now "contraband" for 100X for original cost of the weapons. Creating a huge violent blackmarket, that is not only fueled by criminals & drug dealers....but partriots who wish to still have a weapon.

#5 - Criminals who bought illegal weapons prior to the roundup, still have their weapons. And now have a clear advantage against law abiding citizens.

Gun crimes go up 300%

MrMaxwell · 09-24-2006, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0

Lets just assume for a moment, all guns were banned tomorrow.

Day #1-3... - Voluntary turn-ins of all registered weapons to your local police station.

Day #3-15 - Mandatory collection of all registered weapons to your local police department.

Day #16-120....- The police & national gaurd go to every house, of every registered gun owner who hasn't turned in all their weapons, & take them by force.

End result:
#1 - 250 million guns have been collected or turned in.

#2 - 15,000 police & national gaurd members have been killed or wounded, by citizens who take "from my cold dead hands" 100% seriously.

#3 - Several million new holes have been dug in the ground all accross neighborhoods in america, and interstingly enough...several million "lost/misplaced/stolen gun" calls are made to local police departments.

#4 - Several hundred thousand new "illegal" weapons hit the streets....as gun owners accross america sell off their now "contraband" for 100X for original cost of the weapons. Creating a huge violent blackmarket, that is not only fueled by criminals & drug dealers....but partriots who wish to still have a weapon.

#5 - Criminals who bought illegal weapons prior to the roundup, still have their weapons. And now have a clear advantage against law abiding citizens.

Gun crimes go up 300%

I've tried to explain that to many fools.
You wouldn't even believe how blind and ignorant anti gun idiots are.
They simply refuse to listen to facts or engage in a logical discussion.

England · 09-24-2006, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0

Lets just assume for a moment, all guns were banned tomorrow.

Day #1-3... - Voluntary turn-ins of all registered weapons to your local police station.

Day #3-15 - Mandatory collection of all registered weapons to your local police department.

Day #16-120....- The police & national gaurd go to every house, of every registered gun owner who hasn't turned in all their weapons, & take them by force.

End result:
#1 - 250 million guns have been collected or turned in.

#2 - 15,000 police & national gaurd members have been killed or wounded, by citizens who take "from my cold dead hands" 100% seriously.

#3 - Several million new holes have been dug in the ground all accross neighborhoods in america, and interstingly enough...several million "lost/misplaced/stolen gun" calls are made to local police departments.

#4 - Several hundred thousand new "illegal" weapons hit the streets....as gun owners accross america sell off their now "contraband" for 100X for original cost of the weapons. Creating a huge violent blackmarket, that is not only fueled by criminals & drug dealers....but partriots who wish to still have a weapon.

#5 - Criminals who bought illegal weapons prior to the roundup, still have their weapons. And now have a clear advantage against law abiding citizens.

Gun crimes go up 300%

You know this simply means the US are too late? When things really go wrong (bad economy etc) i think you would have appreciated less guns in your country.

Now basically you will tell me there will always be guns and when that guy with a gun comes after you, you want to have a gun to protect yourself. Well, if you got a gun in a strained situation you are likely to be the bad guy yourself.

spunkmaster · 09-24-2006, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Really? Then how come the murder rate in England is 1/100 the US even though the country is 1/5 the population of the US?

The murder rate in England 1/2 the US so where did you get 1/100 ?

You pulled it out of you ass ?

pr0 · 09-24-2006, 01:23 AM

way past the point of no return......way past

websiex · 09-24-2006, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0

Lets just assume for a moment, all guns were banned tomorrow.

Day #1-3... - Voluntary turn-ins of all registered weapons to your local police station.

Day #3-15 - Mandatory collection of all registered weapons to your local police department.

Day #16-120....- The police & national gaurd go to every house, of every registered gun owner who hasn't turned in all their weapons, & take them by force.

End result:
#1 - 250 million guns have been collected or turned in.

#2 - 15,000 police & national gaurd members have been killed or wounded, by citizens who take "from my cold dead hands" 100% seriously.

#3 - Several million new holes have been dug in the ground all accross neighborhoods in america, and interstingly enough...several million "lost/misplaced/stolen gun" calls are made to local police departments.

#4 - Several hundred thousand new "illegal" weapons hit the streets....as gun owners accross america sell off their now "contraband" for 100X for original cost of the weapons. Creating a huge violent blackmarket, that is not only fueled by criminals & drug dealers....but partriots who wish to still have a weapon.

#5 - Criminals who bought illegal weapons prior to the roundup, still have their weapons. And now have a clear advantage against law abiding citizens.

Gun crimes go up 300%

Can go slippery slope the other way too though: All weapons are allowed to be owned.

Day #1-3 - Civilians have access to all weapons available for sale by private business or government entities.

Day #3-15 - Terrorists, funded by organization money buy heavy firearms. Nuclear weapons are available and not regulated.

Days Ahead - Nuclear bombs are detonated in major US cities.

Well Dunn · 09-24-2006, 01:42 AM

65% of statistics are made up on the spot

hurrrrrrrrrrrr

spasmo · 09-24-2006, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by England

You know this simply means the US are too late? When things really go wrong (bad economy etc) i think you would have appreciated less guns in your country.

Now basically you will tell me there will always be guns and when that guy with a gun comes after you, you want to have a gun to protect yourself. Well, if you got a gun in a strained situation you are likely to be the bad guy yourself.

That's a bit short-sighted. If I ever have to pull my gun it would be in my house. If there's another person in my house with a gun pointed at me I most certainly would not be the bad guy for protecting myself.

Injecting a little common sense into your anti-gun fervor is not necessarily a bad thing. Think on your own for a change.

What would you do? Put your hands in front of your face and die knowing you were "right"?

pr0 · 09-24-2006, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by websiex

Can go slippery slope the other way too though: All weapons are allowed to be owned.

Day #1-3 - Civilians have access to all weapons available for sale by private business or government entities.

Day #3-15 - Terrorists, funded by organization money buy heavy firearms. Nuclear weapons are available and not regulated.

Days Ahead - Nuclear bombs are detonated in major US cities.

you sir....are a retard

i'm out of this discussion.....you guys have all been brainwashed

England · 09-24-2006, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by spasmo

That's a bit short-sighted. If I ever have to pull my gun it would be in my house. If there's another person in my house with a gun pointed at me I most certainly would not be the bad guy for protecting myself.

Injecting a little common sense into your anti-gun fervor is not necessarily a bad thing. Think on your own for a change.

What would you do? Put your hands in front of your face and die knowing you were "right"?

Ofcourse i would shoot if someone entered my house and i knew the fucker was going to kill me. But, and listen to this. In Norway we got very strickt gun laws. Police are not even allowed to carry guns unless they are issued because of some really bad situation. This is something most people will not understand. Its because if the bad guys know the police are armed they are more likely to shoot. If the police got no weapons why the hell should they shoot them. Same thing goes for when someone robs a house, if they know people aren't gun touting loons they won't be shooting the first thing that moves.

Better to solve the grand larceny later than clean up murder.

Anthony · 09-24-2006, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by England

Ofcourse i would shoot if someone entered my house and i knew the fucker was going to kill me. But, and listen to this. In Norway we got very strickt gun laws. Police are not even allowed to carry guns unless they are issued because of some really bad situation. This is something most people will not understand. Its because if the bad guys know the police are armed they are more likely to shoot. If the police got no weapons why the hell should they shoot them. Same thing goes for when someone robs a house, if they know people aren't gun touting loons they won't be shooting the first thing that moves.

Better to solve the grand larceny later than clean up murder.

So, let me get this right.

In your country, the criminals care so much for other people when they steal, attack, rape, etc of their fellow countrymen, that if they carry a gun, they won't shoot or use it?

England · 09-24-2006, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

So, let me get this right.

In your country, the criminals care so much for other people when they steal, attack, rape, etc of their fellow countrymen, that if they carry a gun, they won't shoot or use it?

The question is, if you were robbed, would you want to be carrying a gun? The outcome might be that someone dies. Instead of just losing some worldy goods you could be without anyway. Solve it later.

If someone attacks you, why? This is the most tricky one, there might be people after you because of your beliefs etc. This is a debate in itself and does not apply to most people. Really if you have to be worried about being attacked on the streets for no reason that is a problem for the country to solve.

But seriously Anthony this is a very long debate. I think i have seen like 5 of these and i only visit gfy every now and then.

But to end this post, i am a hunter, i got rifles and shotguns. Got them locked up, shells in a different place far from the guns. If i were robbed i would have no way to get them. These weapons are made for hunting animals. Unlike AK47's and all that shit you for some mad reason are allowed to be in posession of in many US states.

So i am not saying no guns. I am saying guns meant for killing people should only be carried by police and army personel.

Its about the gun mentality. If you got guns that kill people, you grow up with them, you should be wondering.

pr0 · 09-24-2006, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by England

The question is, if you were robbed, would you want to be carrying a gun? The outcome might be that someone dies. Instead of just losing some worldy goods you could be without anyway. Solve it later.

If someone attacks you, why? This is the most tricky one, there might be people after you because of your beliefs etc. This is a debate in itself and does not apply to most people. Really if you have to be worried about being attacked on the streets for no reason that is a problem for the country to solve.

But seriously Anthony this is a very long debate. I think i have seen like 5 of these and i only visit gfy every now and then.

But to end this post, i am a hunter, i got rifles and shotguns. Got them locked up, shells in a different place far from the guns. If i were robbed i would have no way to get them. These weapons are made for hunting animals. Unlike AK47's and all that shit you for some mad reason are allowed to be in posession of in many US states.

So i am not saying no guns. I am saying guns meant for killing people should only be carried by police and army personel.

Its about the gun mentality. If you got guns that kill people, you grow up with them, you should be wondering.

Your kings & queens started the whole gun owning thing here in America.

Nuff said....goto sleep bitch

Dirty F · 09-24-2006, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by spunkmaster

US Swimming Pool deaths since 1995:

Causes Deaths
? Swimming pools, cause not specified = 51,835
? Swimming activity or apparel = 36258
? In-ground swimming pools = 23590
? Diving or diving boards = 12078
? Swimming pool equipment = 5732
? Swimming pool chemicals = 4060
? Above-ground swimming pools = 1827
? Swimming pool slides = 1669
? Wading pools = 1345

The US is a very Dangerous country !

Very, very pathetic argument.

pr0 · 09-24-2006, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Franck

Very, very pathetic argument.

Dirty F · 09-24-2006, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0

Lets just assume for a moment, all guns were banned tomorrow.

Day #1-3... - Voluntary turn-ins of all registered weapons to your local police station.

Day #3-15 - Mandatory collection of all registered weapons to your local police department.

Day #16-120....- The police & national gaurd go to every house, of every registered gun owner who hasn't turned in all their weapons, & take them by force.

End result:
#1 - 250 million guns have been collected or turned in.

#2 - 15,000 police & national gaurd members have been killed or wounded, by citizens who take "from my cold dead hands" 100% seriously.

#3 - Several million new holes have been dug in the ground all accross neighborhoods in america, and interstingly enough...several million "lost/misplaced/stolen gun" calls are made to local police departments.

#4 - Several hundred thousand new "illegal" weapons hit the streets....as gun owners accross america sell off their now "contraband" for 100X for original cost of the weapons. Creating a huge violent blackmarket, that is not only fueled by criminals & drug dealers....but partriots who wish to still have a weapon.

#5 - Criminals who bought illegal weapons prior to the roundup, still have their weapons. And now have a clear advantage against law abiding citizens.

Gun crimes go up 300%

Thats because NOW its too late indeed to ban guns because your country is already totally fucked up when it comes to guns. Maybe they shouldnt have allowed guns in the first place.

Here in Holland we dont need to carry a gun because my neighbour doesnt have one either and the chances of someone entering your house with a gun is basically 0.

09-23-2006, 02:43 PM	#7
spunkmaster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,052	CPSC Warns about Pool Hazards, Reports 250 Deaths of Young Children Annually: Federal Agency Launches Drowning Prevention Initiative, Holding Public Hearings WASHINGTON, D.C. – The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) today is launching a drowning prevention campaign as part of an intensified initiative to prevent the tragic drowning of 250 children under the age of 5 annually in swimming pools. Among unintentional injuries, drowning has been the second leading cause of death to children under age 5, after motor vehicle incidents. In 2002, an estimated 1,600 children were treated in hospital emergency rooms for submersion injuries. Many of these deaths and injuries occur in residential pools. “That so many young children drown each year is devastating,” said CPSC Chairman Hal Stratton. “Each of these deaths is not only the pointless end of a promising life, but an overwhelming grief for the family that goes on for years and years. As a father, I cannot imagine having to endure the pain of such a loss.” Lets outlaw pools ? __________________

09-23-2006, 02:51 PM	#8
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09-23-2006, 04:39 PM	#9
spunkmaster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,052	US Swimming Pool deaths since 1995: Causes Deaths • Swimming pools, cause not specified = 51,835 • Swimming activity or apparel = 36258 • In-ground swimming pools = 23590 • Diving or diving boards = 12078 • Swimming pool equipment = 5732 • Swimming pool chemicals = 4060 • Above-ground swimming pools = 1827 • Swimming pool slides = 1669 • Wading pools = 1345 The US is a very Dangerous country ! __________________

09-23-2006, 10:48 PM	#22
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09-23-2006, 11:17 PM	#26
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09-23-2006, 01:31 PM	#1
spunkmaster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,052	70 Million More Guns = Less Crime Data released by the FBI on Monday showed that in 2005, the nation's total violent crime rate was 38% lower than in 1991, when violent crime hit an all-time high. Rates of the individual categories of violent crime were also much lower in 2005 than in 1991. Murder was 43% lower, rape 25% lower, robbery 48% lower, and aggravated assault 33% lower. The FBI's report came on the heels of a Bureau of Justice Statistics crime survey that found that violent crime was lower in 2005 than anytime in the survey's 32-year history. Defying the anti-gunners' claim that more guns means more crime, from 1991-2005 the number of privately owned guns increased by more than 70 million. The news media often characterize violent crime as a primarily gun-oriented problem, but the FBI's report showed that only one in every four violent crimes in 2005 was committed with a gun. In 2005, as in previous years, most violent crimes were robberies and aggravated assaults, most of which were committed with knives or bare hands. Recently, anti-gun politicians and activists have intensified their rhetoric over the "lack" of bans on handguns, so-called "assault weapons", and .50-caliber rifles; gun registration, gun owner licensing, and mandatory background checks on sales of guns between friends and family members; and limits on the frequency of gun purchases, all of which they say are necessary to reduce the nation's murder rate. But for the last seven years, the murder rate has been steady¾in the 5.5-5.7 per 100,000 population range¾at all times lower than anytime since the mid-1960s. In 2005, for example, the murder rate was 5.6. Naturally, anti-gunners will downplay the downward trend in violent crime since 1991, and focus on the fact that the FBI's report showed a 1% increase in total violent crime, and a 2% increase in murder in 2005, compared to 2004. But those changes are miniscule, compared to the huge decrease in crime over the last 14 years. The FBI's report once again confirmed that violent crime rates are lower in states with Right-to-Carry (RTC) laws. In 2005, RTC states had, on average, 22% lower total violent crime, 30% less murder, 46% lower robbery, and 12% lower aggravated assault rates, compared to the rest of the country. As usual, Washington, D.C., which leads the nation in anti-gun laws, led the nation in murder, with a rate six times higher than the rest of the country. Neighboring Maryland, where gun control advocates have been particularly active recently, once again had the highest robbery rate among the states, but also tied for the unenviable distinction of "first place" in murder among the states. However, despite Maryland's high crime counts, CeaseFire Maryland, the local Brady Campaign affiliate that recently released a paper demanding an "assault weapon" ban, was unable to point to any crimes in the state involving such a gun. The FBI's report must have displeased New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg (R). Despite the mayor's recent posturing on the gun issue, and his self-laudatory comments about fighting crime, the Big Apple's murder rate was more than double that of the rest of the state. Similarly, in Philadelphia, where anti-gun politicians are calling for a statewide one-gun-a-month law, the murder rate was more than seven times higher than the rest of Pennsylvania. Adding to the reasons why voters should "Dump Doyle" in Wisconsin's upcoming gubernatorial election, their state had the greatest total violent crime rate increase (15.1%) between 2004-2005. Murder was up 25.2%; robbery up 11.2%; and aggravated assault up 20.2%. Wisconsin is one of only two states that prohibits Right-to-Carry entirely, but in 2005, 11 of the 12 states that had the greatest decreases in total violent crime, and 12 of the 14 states with the greatest decreases in murder were Right-to-Carry states. The seven states with the lowest total violent crime rates in 2005, and 11 of the 12 states that had the lowest murder rates, were Right-to-Carry states. Last, but not least, is good news from Florida, the state that during the last 20 years has been most often attacked by anti-gunners, for (among other reasons) setting the Right-to-Carry and "Castle Doctrine" movements in motion. In 2005, Florida recorded a murder rate 13% lower than the rate for the rest of the country (4.96 per 100,000, vs. 5.67 for the rest of the country). For the record, Florida's 2005 murder rate was 58% lower than it was in 1986, the last year before the state's landmark Right-to-Carry law took effect. __________________

09-23-2006, 01:35 PM	#2
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09-23-2006, 01:53 PM	#3
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09-23-2006, 02:01 PM	#5
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09-23-2006, 09:27 PM	#12
MrMaxwell Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 10,057	More guns = more gun violence? Sheep! Well sheep get sheared pal They don't tell you that it is more gun violence against criminals I know things most people don't know and I can tell you that when good poeple have firearms- bad people get away with alot less of their stealing and raping and murdering. Believe me or don't believe me but remember - to disagree with The Fred is to be a Complete Idiot

09-23-2006, 10:01 PM	#13
GatorB The Demon & 12clicks Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SallyRand is a FAGGOT Posts: 18,208	I guess Iraq must be the safest country in the world. That goes for the rest of the Mideast and Africa were people are allow to carry guns around all the time. If you need a gun to protect yourself you are living in the wrong place. Please move out of the ghetto. Sell your food stamps for money if you have to, but move out.

09-23-2006, 10:25 PM	#17
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	70 million guns. That's whole lot of guns and a lot of $$$

09-23-2006, 10:28 PM	#19
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	There's tremendous amount of civility and restraint in Americans when you think about it . 70 million guns. Wow.

09-23-2006, 10:37 PM	#21
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09-23-2006, 11:21 PM	#27
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09-24-2006, 12:51 AM	#35
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	Lets just assume for a moment, all guns were banned tomorrow. Day #1-3... - Voluntary turn-ins of all registered weapons to your local police station. Day #3-15 - Mandatory collection of all registered weapons to your local police department. Day #16-120....- The police & national gaurd go to every house, of every registered gun owner who hasn't turned in all their weapons, & take them by force. End result: #1 - 250 million guns have been collected or turned in. #2 - 15,000 police & national gaurd members have been killed or wounded, by citizens who take "from my cold dead hands" 100% seriously. #3 - Several million new holes have been dug in the ground all accross neighborhoods in america, and interstingly enough...several million "lost/misplaced/stolen gun" calls are made to local police departments. #4 - Several hundred thousand new "illegal" weapons hit the streets....as gun owners accross america sell off their now "contraband" for 100X for original cost of the weapons. Creating a huge violent blackmarket, that is not only fueled by criminals & drug dealers....but partriots who wish to still have a weapon. #5 - Criminals who bought illegal weapons prior to the roundup, still have their weapons. And now have a clear advantage against law abiding citizens. Gun crimes go up 300% __________________ __________ Loadedca$h - get sum! - Revengebucks - mmm rebills! - webair (gotz sErVrz)

09-24-2006, 01:23 AM	#39
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09-24-2006, 01:42 AM	#41
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