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Old 09-25-2005, 10:51 PM   #1
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If a person is fat, they have only themselfs to blame.

I dont want to offend anyone but what the hell. Tell me how someone can get fat. They take the food and put it in their mouth. Why do people go and say; o its genetics. If you worked hard enought you can lose the fat.

I just saw a show about a 1200 LB man. Who just sat in his bed and ate. He got so fat that if he turned around he will not be able to breath.

How the hell can you end up like that? WTF? I just dont understand.
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Old 09-25-2005, 10:52 PM   #2
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Old 09-25-2005, 10:57 PM   #3
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And get this right. Thats 1200lb man was like leaking fluids and shit. Like his skin just could not scratch enough and shuff started comming out.

The only person i could blame was the guy himselfs. If he has a little self control he would not be like 1200lb!
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Old 09-25-2005, 11:03 PM   #4
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obesity, condition resulting from excessive storage of fat in the body. Obesity has been defined as a weight more than 20% above what is considered normal according to standard age, height, and weight tables, or by a complex formula known as the body mass index. It has been estimated that 30% to 35% of Americans are overweight or obese.

Causes of Obesity

Obesity research has yielded a complicated picture of the underlying causes of the condition. The simple cause is ingestion of more calories than are required for energy, the excess being stored in the body as fat. Inactivity and insufficient exercise can be contributing factors; the less active the person, the fewer calories are needed to maintain normal body weight. Overeating may result from unhealthful patterns of eating established by the family and cultural environment, perhaps exacerbated by psychological distress, an emotional dependence on food, or the omnipresence of high-calorie foods.

In some cases, obesity can come from an eating disorder. It has been shown, for example, that binging for some people releases natural opiates in the brain, providing a sense of well-being and physical pleasure. Other studies have found a strong relationship between obesity in women and childhood sexual abuse.

Treatment

Radical treatments for weight loss have included wiring shut the jaw, stapling the stomach, and intestinal bypass operations circumventing a large area of the small intestine, limiting the area where food is absorbed. The ?diet pills? of the 1960s, essentially amphetamines such as Dexedrine, are now seldom prescribed for weight loss. Fenfluramine and dexfenfluramine, drugs formerly used to achieve short-term weight loss, were withdrawn from the market following concerns that they could cause heart valve damage. Drugs available in the late 1990s included sibutramine (Meridia), which is an appetite suppressant, and orlistat (Xenical), which acts to block absorption of dietary fat in the intestine.
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Old 09-25-2005, 11:19 PM   #5
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Well it all comes down to a persons will power.

Whatever i dont care. In that whole show that guys never blamed himselfs or took responsibility. It was always someonelses falt or genetics.
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And get this right. Thats 1200lb man was like leaking fluids and shit. Like his skin just could not scratch enough and shuff started comming out.

The only person i could blame was the guy himselfs. If he has a little self control he would not be like 1200lb!
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Old 09-26-2005, 03:42 AM   #7
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I agree..When i eat too much i am fat when i eat little I am good looking and happy.
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Old 09-26-2005, 03:46 AM   #8
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true...one exception, for medical reasons it's a different story
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Most people could not get to that level without dying so when someone is that big I often wonder what in their chemical make up that allows them to get that big and not die. I am fat and I do have some medical reasons that contribute but I recognize personal responsibility but I couldn't get that big..my body wouldn't allow it.
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Old 09-26-2005, 03:52 AM   #10
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And get this right. Thats 1200lb man was like leaking fluids and shit. Like his skin just could not scratch enough and shuff started comming out.

The only person i could blame was the guy himselfs. If he has a little self control he would not be like 1200lb!
Just what I needed to read before going to have lunch
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Old 09-26-2005, 03:53 AM   #11
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it is an array of reasons.

education
genetics
cheap foods
no exercise
and so on

sometimes it is will power but it is an illness

just like cancer

you cant will away cancer
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it is an array of reasons.

education
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cheap foods
no exercise
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sometimes it is will power but it is an illness

just like cancer

you cant will away cancer
Eating ho-hos and Chunky Monkey all day and washing it down with 20 oz Coca Cola's is like cancer?
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Old 09-26-2005, 04:31 AM   #15
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it is an array of reasons.

education
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These are not reasons, they are excuses.
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Old 09-26-2005, 04:33 AM   #16
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it is an array of reasons.

education
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cheap foods
no exercise
and so on

sometimes it is will power but it is an illness

just like cancer

you cant will away cancer
All these reasons are NOT causes, but stuff that can make you worse. If you have bad genetics for digesting, by no means will you be fat. You will just be fat a little faster than someone else you eats the same huge amount. But if you eat normal and healthy, you will NOT be fat, no matter your genetics.And no way can you weigh 300lbs because of genetics.
And comparing this to cancer is the BIGGEST excuse for fat people that I have seen to date. As if you have ABSOLUTELY no control whatsoever....rediculous
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Old 09-26-2005, 06:31 AM   #17
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These are not reasons, they are excuses.
Thats true that. Im a bit overweight and can see me in those lol. I also know that if I got my mouth sewn up so that I could only ingest stuff through a straw I would see the weight drop off.
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I also know that if I got my mouth sewn up so that I could only ingest stuff through a straw I would see the weight drop off.
I'd probably wear out a blender

But as to supermann's comment, "But if you eat normal and healthy, you will NOT be fat, no matter your genetics", I can tell you from experience it isn't just what and how much you eat that determines your weight, it as much depends on your physical activity. I am an extremely healthy eater (no meat, nothing fried, raw nuts instead of chips, lots of fresh veggies, etc.), yet I generally carry an extra 20-30 extra pounds because a back problem keeps me from doing a lot of physical activity.
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You are right man.

Each pound goes through the mouth. People who are extremely big will say its a big disease, and try to blame away their hunger for food to some kind of vague disease.

The key is, don't eat too much lol.
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Old 09-26-2005, 08:04 AM   #21
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I know some fat people who are fat because they have an illness.
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Old 09-26-2005, 08:05 AM   #22
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What illness makes a person fat?
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If a person can't spell or type, he only has himself to blame.



I dont want to offend anyone but what the hell. Tell me how someone can misuse the english language so badly. If you worked hard enough you can use spellcheck, a dictionary, your formal education, or any combination of these.
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By calling it a disease you can create drugs to treat it. With the drug companies trying to treat or cure this disease there is money in it. Big money.

They will come up with a miracle pill eventually. Take it and you'll have instant willpower to make changes. The drud companies will design it so that you're dependent on it for the rest of your life.
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I think that a person would have to have some serious psychological problems to get to that extreme. 1200lbs isn't simple obesity like 40% of Americans.
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it has so much to do with the lifestyle, especially with eating habits. I believe that obesity can be resolved with a person being determined to loss that weight.
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guess you fat bashers have never seen a person with thyroid disease
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If a person is fat, they have only themselfs to blame.
themselfs??

If a person is illiterate and can't spell, they only have themselves to blame.
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I dont want to offend anyone but what the hell. Tell me how someone can get fat. They take the food and put it in their mouth. Why do people go and say; o its genetics. If you worked hard enought you can lose the fat.

I just saw a show about a 1200 LB man. Who just sat in his bed and ate. He got so fat that if he turned around he will not be able to breath.

How the hell can you end up like that? WTF? I just dont understand.
I watched that show, the half ton man.
That guy did only have himself to blame, he would eat 22 Nathan's hot dogs or 24 pork chops at one sitting. Obviously his obesity was self-inflicted.

However, some people have a genetic makeup that causes them to be obese, and no amount of diet and exercise will make them "thin". They can work hard to stay at a level where they're not a heart attack waiting to happen, but they'll never be "thin" by society's standards.

Sort of like your genetic makeup that causes you to be an idiot.
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I think that a person would have to have some serious psychological problems to get to that extreme. 1200lbs isn't simple obesity like 40% of Americans.
Yes also someone had to keep feeding this person once they were bed ridden
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every pound goes through the mouth.

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On the same rationale, is alcoholism a disease?

I don?t think it is a disease. I think some people have damaged themselves to the point that they can not function without alcohol, however, but I have never heard of a child saying ?I need a drink or I?m going to wig out man?. I have heard of children that have compulsive behaviors.

Even if someone has a thyroid problem, it is their responsibility to maintain a proper diet and exercise. Just like someone who had asthma. It is up to them to make sure that they aren?t running around asking for an attack.

But on the fair side, there are few people who have no choice and are seriously in trouble with their health issues. I feel bad for this 1% and wish them the best.

If alcoholism were a disease, there would be a field day of alcoholic drugs available.

I hope everyone understand where I am coming from.
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I dont want to offend anyone but what the hell. Tell me how someone can get fat. They take the food and put it in their mouth. Why do people go and say; o its genetics. If you worked hard enought you can lose the fat.

I just saw a show about a 1200 LB man. Who just sat in his bed and ate. He got so fat that if he turned around he will not be able to breath.

How the hell can you end up like that? WTF? I just dont understand.
Yeah. A certain trend towards being fat can be genetic, but the really fat fuckers usually eat like hogs and don't move beyond going to their fridge (if that).
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it is an array of reasons.

education
genetics
cheap foods
no exercise
and so on

sometimes it is will power but it is an illness

just like cancer

you cant will away cancer
get real. calories in vs calories burned is the same equation that applys to everyone. no genetic condition will allow you to break the laws of physics.

a mouth full or cookies is not an illness
a diet of mostly fast food and coka cola is not genetic




i spend a great deal of time in the gym and every fat person that walks through the door has an excuse. its always genetic... they are always doing everything right... and the funny thing is that once they are educated, once you outline a diet for them that they follow and you start them exercising just a little bit consistently... the "genetic" problems seem to melt right off their body.

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Are you telling me that even the dumbest person in the world (in response to the education reason for being fat) doesn't know that overeating will cause them to gain weight?

BTW being 1200 lbs is not a disease, it's being lazy as hell. Once he hit 300 lbs, he should have gone on a diet. He waited 800 lbs too late LOL. Ewwww.

Maybe someone will buy the poor fucker a gastric bypass.
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