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|  06-12-2005, 07:36 PM | #1 | 
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				Lots of spammers out lately...
			 I spent at least an hour today sending abuse emails to affiliate programs, and filing FTC complaints against those that did nothing to stop the spamming affiliates on previous complaints. If anyone gets a non can-spam 2003 compliant email, make sure to report it... Now that they've started to prosecute these idiots hopefully it will lighten up the load on our inboxes. If you get spam, report it to the affiliate program first... many will terminate affiliates for TOS violations. If they don't, then report the spam to [email protected] (the FTC actually reviews these and will file criminal charges in applicable cases), their credit card processing companies, and as a last resort Visa USA (we don't need them comming down any harder on this industry, but this shit has to stop... spam gives all of us a bad name).  | 
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|  06-12-2005, 07:37 PM | #2 | 
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				 | That sucks ass man | 
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|  06-12-2005, 07:40 PM | #3 | 
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				 | loser 8char | 
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|  06-12-2005, 07:43 PM | #4 | |
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|  06-12-2005, 07:44 PM | #5 | 
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				 | OMG...seriously. I can think of at least 50 better ways to spend an hour of my time. | 
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|  06-12-2005, 07:45 PM | #6 | |
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|  06-12-2005, 07:47 PM | #7 | 
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				 | btw, here's a good info URL... explains what is illegal and what is not. Spam filters catch all of the "legal" stuff.. so if you're using outlook and it makes it into your inbox, chances are it's breaking the can-spam act. http://www.ftc.gov/spam/ | 
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|  06-12-2005, 07:49 PM | #8 | 
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				 | What a waste of time. Just install a filter or press delete. 
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|  06-12-2005, 07:53 PM | #9 | |
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 If nobody reports it, it won't stop... These idiots need to find a legitimate way to make money in online adult, or find another business. | |
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|  06-12-2005, 09:14 PM | #10 | 
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				 | not all spammers are in the US, in my opinion the only ones worth reporting are the paypal/ebay/banking phish emails. 
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|  06-12-2005, 10:27 PM | #11 | |
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 I report the ones that are promoting US affiliate programs too, the spammer might not be in the states, but affiliates promoting US programs still have to follow US laws. Unfortunately there are still a couple affiliate programs that allow spam, but it has to be can-spam compliant... and it never is because they try to sneak it through email filters. | |
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|  06-12-2005, 10:30 PM | #12 | 
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|  06-12-2005, 10:31 PM | #13 | 
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				 | Get a life and leave people alone.  WTF is legitimate?  Your next door neighbour would say you don't make a legitimate income. | 
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|  06-12-2005, 10:32 PM | #14 | 
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				 | boo fucking hoo 
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|  06-12-2005, 10:51 PM | #15 | 
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				 | let me tell you something there is no way people can stop spam. there are simply too many people out there spamming hoping to make their money say these people were to disappear, then you have the REAL spammers that have 100+ servers pumping out emails non-stop so what if you shut down 1 of their campaigns, you don't think they will bother to open up another one? there is only 1 way to stop spam, get the latest and greatest anti-spam software for your mailbox Spamassassin 3.03 seems to be doing great, so instead of wasting hours of your time trying to change the world, install the software and use future hours of your time on something more productive  | 
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|  06-12-2005, 10:57 PM | #16 | |
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  Common now, I know anti's are dumb and all, but seriously. | |
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|  06-12-2005, 11:00 PM | #17 | |
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 money is money, it's as simple as that they will only put on a show for the public to be satisfied I heard of people that make sponsors 5000$ a day... which basicly gives the owner bragging rights and a new porsche, you really think he will close this guys account because a few people don't like it?  it's very simple, money makes the world go round | |
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|  06-12-2005, 11:23 PM | #18 | |
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 The sponsors may put on a show to try and please people reporting them, but if I get another solicitation the repeat offence will be reported to the FTC, and they do follow up and take care of it once they receive enough complaints. And regarding "WTF is legitimate", The spam messages I report are the ones that are not compliant with can-spam, and therfore are illegal. The can-spam compliant ones don't bother me, my filter gets them and I never see them. I get the impression that alot of people here make their living off spam... I don't care how much you make doing it, if you have to resort to spamming people to generate traffic you're still a bottom feeder. | |
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|  06-12-2005, 11:59 PM | #19 | |
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 Why are you wasting your time on shit that does not make YOU money? Install spam assasin and be done with it. Move on and make better use of your time and make more $$$. Think about it... | |
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|  06-13-2005, 12:09 AM | #20 | ||
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|  06-13-2005, 12:12 AM | #21 | |
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|  06-13-2005, 12:24 AM | #22 | |
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|  06-13-2005, 12:28 AM | #23 | 
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				 | sponsors know when their affiliates are mailing.. and most have permission from the sponsor. you emailing the sponsor is going to do zip. | 
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|  06-13-2005, 12:31 AM | #24 | |
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|  06-13-2005, 12:45 AM | #25 | |
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 Hows that? How will it make you more money? Lets be real here... Spam has been around since day 1, and nobody has been able to stop it yet. Do you honestly think this guy reporting his 20 spams a day is going to do anything? LOL come on now... Id rather put the effort into something else that would make me money. | |
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|  06-13-2005, 01:09 AM | #26 | |
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|  06-13-2005, 01:09 AM | #27 | |
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|  06-13-2005, 02:52 AM | #28 | |
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 I don't fuck around with other peoples business, but when I have to weed through their crap every day because they're too lazy to promote programs legitimately like the rest of us, then it becomes my business. Spam is a lazy mans get rich quick scheme... It doesn't take brains to get bulletproof hosting, buy or rip a huge list with a WWW or usenet crawler, then fire away through email proxy's so your ISP won't shut you down. The fact of the matter is that it's illegal, and a royal pain in the ass for millions of people. | |
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|  06-13-2005, 02:56 AM | #29 | |
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 Not to mention being in this business, you really can't rely on spam filters... Half of my emails from affiliate programs end up in the junk folder because they set off the filters. So i have to sort through everything anyways. | |
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|  06-13-2005, 03:15 AM | #30 | 
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				 | what are you doing here at all ? did you send emails to uce.gov from [email protected] ? | 
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|  06-13-2005, 03:19 AM | #31 | 
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				 | if the complaints do well for you and you can bare the time it takes, continue to do so   maybe I get an email less a day which would be good already  | 
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|  06-13-2005, 04:23 AM | #32 | |
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 Hit the delete key, is there answer. 
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|  06-13-2005, 04:27 AM | #33 | |
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|  06-13-2005, 04:27 AM | #34 | |
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|  06-13-2005, 04:35 AM | #35 | 
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				 | Its kinda sad to see the amount of people in this thread supporting spammers.... | 
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|  06-13-2005, 04:43 AM | #36 | |
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 The thresholds that will make your message go to the Bulk are lower these days - thanks to Spammers. This affects every legimitate and compliant permission-based email marketing company. I have to adopt my mailing techniques and make substential investments to ensure Inbox delivery. This costs me money, thus making me less. The less spammer exist, the more will I make as a legimitate sender. Although I don't do it myself, I find it good that people like the thread starter report illegal SPAM. 
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|  06-13-2005, 04:45 AM | #37 | |
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|  06-13-2005, 05:08 AM | #38 | 
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				 | No wonder why we're ass up in regulations for this or that.  It's because people don't give a fuck and will do anything to make a buck.  Turning a blind eye, so fucked up | 
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