I don't see any drama here, except that Donovan has made his feelings clear about me. Thats fine. Come to Phoenix and have fun with everyone at my party, or shittalk me and cause trouble. Choose ONE. Looks like Donnie has chosen. I wish I'd have known what kind of guy he was before I tried to do business with him. Good luck with your site Donnie.

Steve Lightspeed

Chosen to say "it's not okay to fuck over a member of my family just because you throw big parties and have webmasters kissing your ass"?

Chosen not to kiss your ass and overlook a very unprofessional decision on your part?

You fucking betcha! I'll take family over "popular partiers" every single fucking time.

:1orglaugh

and Silent bob= tired= off to the bar

Can't wait to meet Nikki in PHX Steve! :thumbsup

I actually like Donovans tour more then Nicki's.

Anyone gonna test em both?
Curious about what the ratio will be.
I think hands down though Skylar design will outperfrm the Nikki design.

Still -5 points for the odd name. "SkyLar".

Christ man, you are talking about "unprofessional behavior" here? Hilarious! I'm off to party in Cancun, I'm sure girls will be lining up to work with you, you are the Savior from the Evil Lightspeed Empire.

Steve Lightspeed

Evryone take 2 secs off from drama and check out this

http://www.gayoutsourcing.com

http://www.gayoutsourcing.com/ww.gif

Look at post #35. You indicate you WILL start the site after promising not to do so. And you ALSO indicate that you WON'T start the site you promised not to start (I guess you were just testing our your designer's skills).

Which is it? You voted FOR starting it... before you voted AGAINST it?

Are you really Steve Kerry?

Fighting over that girl..? I might have different taste but i dont see nothing special there...

More attractive on Lightspeed site though...

:2 cents:

I hit it 2x

reach for the skylar.

oh well... someone missed 50.

hot :thumbsup

id hit it 3 times.. with love and dedication.. but I wouldnt join her site.. :pimp :pimp

hahaha.... more drama plss... bump

Steve wants this thread to die.

Skylar.jpg taken from google images. I could not resist...http://www.florida-adventure.com/mag...ges/Skylar.jpg

i'm really enjoying this thread, nice stuff

Friday Night Special..i Love It!

why bicker over a model? she aint that hot................

Nice site, shes hot

omghi2u Steve!

I'm exhausted just reading this thread. Ups and downs like a rollercoaster. I meet Steve in Jamaica he's a really nice guy. He comes accross as a very fair person. So I hope this can be resolved in private. There are plenty more girls out there. Esp that would be more professional and not tell everyone that she wants to make a solo-site with them. I believe some fault belongs on whatever her name is Nikki Skygrinder

Some of you are completely missing the point. Whether the model is "hot" or not is not relevent. Steve is a professional and should know better than stealing a model that has made an agreement with someone else. Don't you remember just recently when he started his thread about Tawnee? He was basically warning everyone to stay away from his model. But he has no problems taking models away from others. He just thinks he can get away with it because he's Steve Lightspeed.

#64 Buick skylars.

:( :( :(

i like it

Kind of on topic, well not really but if this drama thread grows, well... anyways I'm going to fire up a new single girl site of my sweetheart Alison: http://www.ftvgirls.com/models/alison2.jpg
Hope to launch it in mid-may :)
http://www.ftvgirls.com/models/1alison.jpg

Donovan, just going by this thread, it doesn't sound model
theft, but that the model wanted to join Lightspeed. Steve
told her not while she had a deal with your cousin, so the
model negotiated with your cousin, and your cousin told Steve
she was free. It doesn't sound like Steve did anything to
pressure your cousin. Is there another side to that story?

You did mention that Steve promised someone (whom?) never to
open a site with this model, and if you have that promise
recorded, maybe it would help tarnish Steve's reputation.
It sounds like he isn't launching the site until he gets a
contract squared away with the model, so if the "promise"
was more along the lines of their previous contract didn't
provide for an exclusive site, and he's working on a new
contract that does, there's nothing wrong with that.

Also, I don't recall Steve warning anyone not to hire Tawnee.

not too bad, nice girl.

Thats what Willis is talkin about.....Dam she has it in all the right spots.

Donavan all these chicks are looking for the BBD(Bigger Better Deal) I just had some girl that was under contract saying she wanted to do a solo-site. Now she's runnin around L.A. shooting like its going outta style. Who wants her after that she's tarnished for a solo-site.

congrats ;)

Drama or not she's hot hope you guys can make amends though

So what does Skylar/Nikki have to say?

Checked both your tours...boring! Although, I could do with a few less Lightspeed pop-ups on Steve's tour.

Anyway, as I always say, it's about the models. Dickhead pimps always think it's about them. Sell your body, then it's about you.

Steve, Donovan...STFU already. You guys are idiots for taking your personal beef public. Let's hear what Skylar/Nikki has to say - that should settle this squabble once and for all, unless you two wish to settle it man-to-man outside (if you want to make it public at an industry event, I'll do promotions for the fight).

Skylar/Nikki...speak up if you are allowed to have a voice in this matter.

I have nothing against anyone involved in this drama. I'm simply commenting on it as a mostly disinterested thread reader, since the two wee-wee whackers involved seem to crave attention so much.

ADG Webmaster

so glad I came in this morning for this!

Okay: brand new model is found by my cousin. That model is shot for ATK, Karups, and Teen Flood by my cousin. The model is then offered her own site, and accepts. My cousin (who is normally shooting for aforementioned ATK, Karups, TeenFlood, etc to make a living) now takes all of her time and puts it into shooting a site for Brandy (the model's real name). My cousin isn't generating any income for herself. She's investing her time and money into getting this site ready for launch.

The Phoenix Forum is coming up. My cousin tells the model that it would be a good idea to go with her to the Forum to meet other webmasters. Those webmasters are sure to love her personality and promote her new site.

The model goes to Phoenix. Her personality shines. She gets freaky with some Lightspeed girls. Members of the Lightspeed staff start telling her things about how well she'll fit in with their group. How she'd make more as a Lightspeed girl than she will with my cousin. They tell her my cousin doesn't "own" her and she's free to do whatever she wants. Etc. All of this is very unprofessional. They were basically setting out to steal her.

And what brand new girl isn't going to be awed by Lightspeed doing their thing in Phoenix? They put on a good show and throw some great parties.

Steve is made aware of the situation. At first he doesn't give a shit. Then I have a talk with him and tell him about how shitty the situation really is. Then my cousin does as well. Steve says (this is a direct quote), "I certainly treat my exclusive contracts as property that I will protect --- I can understand why Kristen is upset". Duh. So what are you going to do about it, Steve?

Steve then says he'll let the model and my cousin work it out amongst themselves. He throws out several different scenarios. One of them is to give my cousin a percentage of sales from Nikki's site. Another: around that time he was offering photographers a deal where he'd buy 200 sets for $20,000.

I pointed out to Steve that my cousin had already invested several thousand dollars into the model and had shot a TON of content of her. It wasn't right for Lightspeed to snatch her away in the first place. And if they DID decide to violate basic ethics and do so, he should at least buy the content she'd already shot and give her a percentage of the site.

Now, it should be mentioned that right about this time Lightspeed was telling my cousin she should start a site with them too. She hadn't signed a contract yet but she was excited about doing the site. She was stuck between a rock and a hard place. If she made too much fuss over this model deal she'd possibly jeopardize her own site with Lightspeed. The funny thing is: "Tiffany" (my cousin) had asked my opinions on doing a site with Lightspeed. This was before the situation with Brandy/Nikki/Skylar. I thought the world of Steve at the time and encouraged her to go for it. I thought of Steve as an intelligent, fair business man. Damn, was I wrong about that.

Steve once told me at Internext that he was afraid to bring Tawnee to shows because he didn't want other companies trying to steal her from him. He should know better than to do this.

Is it legally okay for him to have done this? Possibly. Probably. But it's morally and ethically NOT okay. And we all should have expected more from one of the "industry leaders".

Keep reading to find out the final resolution and what my cousin was paid. I had a lot of respect for Steve before all of this. That respect is gone.

Go read post #35. Here's part of that post:

DonovanPhillips [6:48 PM]:
...do you think she likes the idea of Brandy getting a site after promises were made not to do that?

Lightspeed-SteveJone [6:50 PM]:
have you seen me LAUNCH the site yet, ASSHOLE?


You notice that Steve DOESN'T say, "I never promised not to launch a site of her." In fact, his reply confirms for everyone that the promise was made.

My cousin finally had to accept the measly $1,000 "referral" fee from Steve it was because she was so sick of dealing with it that she just wanted it to be finished. Believe me, it was an emotionally draining experience. Steve knew she was getting sick of dealing with it and that he didn't have to give her a percentage OR buy her content. So he didn't. He withdrew that as an option.

She accepted the $1,000 on the condition that Brandy would only be used as the "Lightspeed Bad Girl" and cause drama on all the other sites (quite the fitting role, I might add). Read the Lightspeed message boards. She'd keep doing spot parts. No site. Therefore, my cousin wouldn't be losing the percentage on a site that Steve mentioned early on in this mess.

The content was offered once again to Steve, who refused to purchase it. She told him that it needed to be sold as it was useless to her. He still said "no" so I purchased it. I originally thought I'd find some use for it inside AmateurMarket.net

But now there is a site in progress in Lightspeed world, contrary to what Steve promised (again, see post #35 in this thread). I decided to launch my own site. With the content purchased from my cousin I have enough to launch and update for 6 months.

The point is: if Steve had done the right thing he would have said, "You had an agreement with someone else. I'm not going to touch you." In that "Tawnee" thread here on GFY you saw numerous webmasters telling Steve they wouldn't represent Tawnee out of respect to him. He doesn't have that same respect for others.

I'm sure you can figure out for yourself why that whole thread was started. A direct warning may not have been issued but we all got the message.

One thing that can be learned by this thread: don't take your models to events if you think Steve may be interested in them.

Your program sign up page isn't working. Ccbill made a change on their site so if you didn't change the code it won't let you pull up your sign up form.

I look at it more from the employee's perspective. Everyone wants a better job or more money. Because of the initial investment for exclusive model sites, an employment agreement addressing exclusivity, non-competition, and duration is reasonable and standard. Your cousin apparently released the model from such a contract for $1000. Maybe she felt drained and feels she made a mistake, but that was her call. If her own modeling deal with Lightspeed was part of the negotiation, again, that was her call. If there was a verbal contract extending exclusivity aspects of the initial contract, that is still legally binding, but I doubt the parties agree on its terms.

Taking any employee to a show is a risk, whatever their occupation. People are allowed to seek other employment opportunities, within the bounds of their contracts.

It doesn't sound like you're necessarily disagreeing with the legal issues. On an ethical basis, maybe you frown on poaching employees, but a lot of employees frown on limiting employment mobility.

Donovan, you apparently want to cost Brandy her own site with Lightspeed.

I'm sure she'll thank you, after she makes big money on commissions from your site. Oh, thats right, you own her content, you won't be giving her a commission. There's your ethics. I've seen your posts about how little you pay your models, they must love you.

Mind your own business, Donnie, you really are making an ass of yourself. If you want to argue over one no-name model, you really must be hurting for attention or cash.

Steve Lightspeed

This sums the situation up perfectly. Model drama at best. Donnie loves attention, he doesn't know the whole situation, or have any idea of our plans for Nikki Grinds.

Steve Lightspeed