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TFCash · 11-16-2001, 05:38 PM

I'm looking for webmasters with 25K pics/videos or more. I was talking with one our webmasters last night and she suggested that we start a mega-site with a pool of 10 to 20 webmasters all contributing to it. There could be separate frontends to cover the niches that we have content for. The upside is that you would have an upsell to a variety of paysites without having to build each one yourself.

Using someone like ccbill, each webmaster would signup for a partnership program that would allow them to upsell any of the sites in the pool. Payouts could be as high as 85% after cc charges, allowing 15% to cover the bandwidth bill for the group of sites. Anyone think this is worth talking about further ??

Tim

Amputate Your Head · 11-16-2001, 05:46 PM

hmmmm.... interesting

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mailman · 11-16-2001, 05:51 PM

Tim i think it is a sweet deal

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http · 11-16-2001, 06:30 PM

Kinda private AVS? Nice idea but the hard part is getting some decent people solely over the web / through forums. Almost all these contacts turn out to be either little childs with no money or jackasses with no money whenever a "project" becomes serious.

mailman · 11-16-2001, 06:43 PM

I got no $$ but i am honest and have alot of celeb content

playa · 11-16-2001, 08:38 PM

but how can this be legal,,as far as content licensing agreement,,,

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TFCash · 11-16-2001, 08:41 PM

http -

well the first thing that has to be done is to find 20 webmasters that have that much licensed content, we'd have to have a clearinghouse of sorts where webmasters could upload a sample of the content along with the site license and descriptions of the images where someone could verify that it's legit. Then we'd need to pickup a decent machine to host the paysites. Something like a compaq 8000 with 8 xeon's with 2mb cache, you can get a loaded box for around $10000 on the refurbed market nowadays with all the dotcom failures. Then it's on to site creation and getting the billing setup. I spoke with ccbill today about combining a couple of the paysites that we run already, and she said that having multiple sites with one id are no problem.

So who thinks that I'm three sheets to the wind right now, and should got to bed and sober up

Anyone interested ??? Any ideas on where to start ?

Tim

TFCash · 11-16-2001, 08:50 PM

playa -

Each webmaster should already own the license to use the content on their websites. The only thing that we are doing is pooling together the sites so that each person can offer a large number of sites without having to build each one of them! So content wise I don't see how we would have a problem, we are merrily bonding the sites together under one billing umbrella. Like a big AVS of sorts. All the content would stay under the webmasters domain that rightfully owns it. Any content producers out there see any holes in this theory ?? I know that all the content that I buy allows me to use the media on any sites that I own, some limit the number of sites, but none have specified that I can't combine with others as long as the media stays on my domain. Good question

Thanks.

Tim

The Truth · 11-16-2001, 08:52 PM

Intrigued....

There's gonna be a lot of questions and I think the critical thing would be keeping the percentage to the webmaster as high as possible. I also wonder if there's 20 decent pools of content out there. I know I have that much content but most of mostly cuz I own all the matrix stuff and I bet there's a least 3 or 4 other guys who have the whole set and obviously you wouldn't need 4 sets of the same pics.....

I need to sit and think about this. I got a little tipsy tonight for the first time in a while so I'm not 100% right now

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TFCash · 11-16-2001, 09:27 PM

Really the prime person to participate in this would be a webmaster with quite a bit of content, that doesn't already run a paysite, or has just started. They would have good traffic but are sending it to other partnership programs. There are a couple of key points that I see as being keen.

a) there would be no traffic leak when sending surfers to the sites. Some of the partnership sites that we send people to have exit popups that may or maynot give us credit if they click on the banners or links. With this program there is no bleed off of traffic.

b) if a surfer becomes our client, then if they ever leave or a cc get's declined then we can still try to market to them without losing credit for that surfer. I'm not sure how a lot of the sites work this, but I do know that I've joined a lot of sites to check them out and see what is inside before promoting them, and when I ended my subscription I was blasted with offers to come back, many times at a reduced rate. I doubt that the original webmaster that I signed up under got credit if I were to go back.

c) Having 20 sites to market is always going to be better than 1 or 2.

d) It would be like a webmaster owned AVS, the bulk of the profit would go back to the owners. I'd think that 80 to 85% after cc fee's would be more than enough to make someone want to join the group.

Any one else have some ideas or input ??

Tim

Amputate Your Head · 11-16-2001, 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by hardcorehosting:
a webmaster with quite a bit of content, that doesn't already run a paysite, or has just started.

All that and traffic too?

Good luck... you're looking for a virgin in the red-light district.

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http · 11-16-2001, 10:21 PM

Well you have to send traffic to your AVS sites as well (or to sponsor sites). No one of those is going to give you (converting) traffic.

ammo325 · 11-16-2001, 10:51 PM

Hardcorehosting,

Can you hit me up on ICQ or e-mail me about this. Your idea sparked an idea. And I think I have something to offer

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Amputate Your Head · 11-16-2001, 11:00 PM

Wait a minute... I just wanna make sure I'm reading this right. You're looking for not just one, but 20 guys, with:

A. Tons of decent content, including movies.

B. No current paysites.

C. Traffic to feed it.

D. A willingness to do this, and ultimately allow the other 19 guys to use his licensed warehouse of content.

I'm not sure if it's just me or what, but I'm having a real hard time imagining that there's any way in hell you are ever going to find such a person. I've done a helluva lotta substances in the past and I have no question in my mind that I have a serious lack of good high quality cells still left in the ol' grey matter, but if I'm interpreting this correctly, it appears to me that you are in fact, searching for the proverbial "sucker born yesterday".

Maybe I'm missing some crucial element here... but I don't see this going any farther than this thread at the moment.

Keev · 11-16-2001, 11:21 PM

Interesting idea, couple quirks to it but could be done

playa · 11-17-2001, 12:11 AM

There is one flaw,,

Surfers want MOVIES and LIVE shit,,,
those cost huge $$$
Whose gonna pay for this??

mere pictures is not gonna do it

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TFCash · 11-17-2001, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
Maybe I'm missing some crucial element here... but I don't see this going any farther than this thread at the moment.

Well that is why I threw it out there, to see if there is a core group of ideas that can come from it

And I disagree with you on the fact of finding 20 people that would like to work in coalition with one another. An example would be that I have the content for a Lesbian site, but that I want to be able to push traffic to more than just that niche. Thus I end up using someone like ARS or Maxcash, or anyone of the mega-site sponsors. Wouldn't it be in my best interest to join such a group and maximize my traffic.

Now I'm not saying that this is for everyone, in fact there are most likely only a handful of webmasters here at gfy that could comeup with the content and have the experience. But that is what I want to find out, are those 19 other people out there ???

playa videos and live feeds can be contracted for at a reasonable cost. You have to remember that if you ran your own paysite, then you would have to supply those types of services. This group is merely giving you the choice of being able to market 20 sites instead of just one. Please keep the questions and ideas flowing

Tim

mailman · 11-17-2001, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by playa:
There is one flaw,,

Surfers want MOVIES and LIVE shit,,,
those cost huge $$$
Whose gonna pay for this??

mere pictures is not gonna do it

UP SELLS MAN..

FOREST offres tons of the shit... it can be done

you got my boat rocking contact me on ICQ hardcore...

my ICQ is listed in one of the first few msgs...

SmutPimp · 11-17-2001, 07:35 AM

find battus, he has 2 new sites with original content and might be interested.

playa · 11-17-2001, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mailman:

UP SELLS MAN..

FOREST offres tons of the shit... it can be done

you got my boat rocking contact me on ICQ hardcore...

my ICQ is listed in one of the first few msgs...

well whose gonna get paid for upsells?
would it be fair if the guy that can only send 10 signups get the same chunk as they guy that gets 100 signups

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^R3K^ · 11-17-2001, 08:07 AM

Actually, I know a guy that would be perfect for such a deal.. he is a little rough around the edges but if someone wanted to put a little time into him, it would work out fine. he runs a couple od small paysites and does his own content. if you want to talk to him hit me up and ill send you his info.. again a little rough around the edges, but a decent guy all around :-)

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TFCash · 11-17-2001, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by playa:
well whose gonna get paid for upsells?
would it be fair if the guy that can only send 10 signups get the same chunk as they guy that gets 100 signups

It would be pretty easy to tag the surfer with a cookie and then use perl or php to serve up the correct code for upsell to anything such as video/live feed/toystore really anything you want to offer as upsell. Then as a fallback you have one account as the default and that account is splitup every month based on a % of sales or members.

You have to remember that this would be a coalition where hopefully all members are stronger by working together than as individuals

Tim

11-16-2001, 05:38 PM	#1
TFCash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,738	Paysite idea I'm looking for webmasters with 25K pics/videos or more. I was talking with one our webmasters last night and she suggested that we start a mega-site with a pool of 10 to 20 webmasters all contributing to it. There could be separate frontends to cover the niches that we have content for. The upside is that you would have an upsell to a variety of paysites without having to build each one yourself. Using someone like ccbill, each webmaster would signup for a partnership program that would allow them to upsell any of the sites in the pool. Payouts could be as high as 85% after cc charges, allowing 15% to cover the bandwidth bill for the group of sites. Anyone think this is worth talking about further ?? Tim

11-16-2001, 05:46 PM	#2
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	hmmmm.... interesting ------------------

11-16-2001, 05:51 PM	#3
mailman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,311	Tim i think it is a sweet deal ICQ # 97886255

11-16-2001, 06:30 PM	#4
http Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,811	Kinda private AVS? Nice idea but the hard part is getting some decent people solely over the web / through forums. Almost all these contacts turn out to be either little childs with no money or jackasses with no money whenever a "project" becomes serious.

11-16-2001, 06:43 PM	#5
mailman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,311	I got no $$ but i am honest and have alot of celeb content

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playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	but how can this be legal,,as far as content licensing agreement,,, ------------------ ------------ Playa icq#38147712 www.NoBSdialer.com GET FREE $50

11-16-2001, 08:41 PM	#7
TFCash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,738	http - well the first thing that has to be done is to find 20 webmasters that have that much licensed content, we'd have to have a clearinghouse of sorts where webmasters could upload a sample of the content along with the site license and descriptions of the images where someone could verify that it's legit. Then we'd need to pickup a decent machine to host the paysites. Something like a compaq 8000 with 8 xeon's with 2mb cache, you can get a loaded box for around $10000 on the refurbed market nowadays with all the dotcom failures. Then it's on to site creation and getting the billing setup. I spoke with ccbill today about combining a couple of the paysites that we run already, and she said that having multiple sites with one id are no problem. So who thinks that I'm three sheets to the wind right now, and should got to bed and sober up Anyone interested ??? Any ideas on where to start ? Tim

11-16-2001, 08:50 PM	#8
TFCash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,738	playa - Each webmaster should already own the license to use the content on their websites. The only thing that we are doing is pooling together the sites so that each person can offer a large number of sites without having to build each one of them! So content wise I don't see how we would have a problem, we are merrily bonding the sites together under one billing umbrella. Like a big AVS of sorts. All the content would stay under the webmasters domain that rightfully owns it. Any content producers out there see any holes in this theory ?? I know that all the content that I buy allows me to use the media on any sites that I own, some limit the number of sites, but none have specified that I can't combine with others as long as the media stays on my domain. Good question Thanks. Tim

11-16-2001, 08:52 PM	#9
The Truth Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: U.S.of A. Posts: 920	Intrigued.... There's gonna be a lot of questions and I think the critical thing would be keeping the percentage to the webmaster as high as possible. I also wonder if there's 20 decent pools of content out there. I know I have that much content but most of mostly cuz I own all the matrix stuff and I bet there's a least 3 or 4 other guys who have the whole set and obviously you wouldn't need 4 sets of the same pics..... I need to sit and think about this. I got a little tipsy tonight for the first time in a while so I'm not 100% right now ------------------ Make $$$ the Diabolical Way

11-16-2001, 09:27 PM	#10
TFCash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,738	Really the prime person to participate in this would be a webmaster with quite a bit of content, that doesn't already run a paysite, or has just started. They would have good traffic but are sending it to other partnership programs. There are a couple of key points that I see as being keen. a) there would be no traffic leak when sending surfers to the sites. Some of the partnership sites that we send people to have exit popups that may or maynot give us credit if they click on the banners or links. With this program there is no bleed off of traffic. b) if a surfer becomes our client, then if they ever leave or a cc get's declined then we can still try to market to them without losing credit for that surfer. I'm not sure how a lot of the sites work this, but I do know that I've joined a lot of sites to check them out and see what is inside before promoting them, and when I ended my subscription I was blasted with offers to come back, many times at a reduced rate. I doubt that the original webmaster that I signed up under got credit if I were to go back. c) Having 20 sites to market is always going to be better than 1 or 2. d) It would be like a webmaster owned AVS, the bulk of the profit would go back to the owners. I'd think that 80 to 85% after cc fee's would be more than enough to make someone want to join the group. Any one else have some ideas or input ?? Tim

11-16-2001, 10:21 PM	#12
http Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,811	Well you have to send traffic to your AVS sites as well (or to sponsor sites). No one of those is going to give you (converting) traffic.

11-16-2001, 10:51 PM	#13
ammo325 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: LV Nev Posts: 467	Hardcorehosting, Can you hit me up on ICQ or e-mail me about this. Your idea sparked an idea. And I think I have something to offer ICQ 37809311 [email protected] ------------------ http://www.lostbush.com/sub.html High conversion Cheerleader Fetish

11-16-2001, 11:00 PM	#14
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Wait a minute... I just wanna make sure I'm reading this right. You're looking for not just one, but 20 guys, with: A. Tons of decent content, including movies. B. No current paysites. C. Traffic to feed it. D. A willingness to do this, and ultimately allow the other 19 guys to use his licensed warehouse of content. I'm not sure if it's just me or what, but I'm having a real hard time imagining that there's any way in hell you are ever going to find such a person. I've done a helluva lotta substances in the past and I have no question in my mind that I have a serious lack of good high quality cells still left in the ol' grey matter, but if I'm interpreting this correctly, it appears to me that you are in fact, searching for the proverbial "sucker born yesterday". Maybe I'm missing some crucial element here... but I don't see this going any farther than this thread at the moment.

11-16-2001, 11:21 PM	#15
Keev Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 5,335	Interesting idea, couple quirks to it but could be done

11-17-2001, 12:11 AM	#16
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	There is one flaw,, Surfers want MOVIES and LIVE shit,,, those cost huge $$$ Whose gonna pay for this?? mere pictures is not gonna do it ------------------ ------------ Playa icq#38147712 www.NoBSdialer.com GET FREE $50

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SmutPimp Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Our hoes pay taxes and pot is legal :-) Posts: 39	find battus, he has 2 new sites with original content and might be interested.

11-17-2001, 08:07 AM	#21
^R3K^ Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,815	Actually, I know a guy that would be perfect for such a deal.. he is a little rough around the edges but if someone wanted to put a little time into him, it would work out fine. he runs a couple od small paysites and does his own content. if you want to talk to him hit me up and ill send you his info.. again a little rough around the edges, but a decent guy all around :-) ------------------ HotFreePics.net Submit Your Tgp2 Gallerys