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Old 12-04-2004, 01:16 PM   #1
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I almost got shot last night.

So I guess you can?t stand up for yourself or risk getting shot now a days. I learned a lesson last night in downtown Seattle. Me and Scott from Streamate went to an after hours club last night and as we?re leaving a Chevy Blazer almost runs us over while we?re crossing the street. The passenger is hanging out of the window yelling, ?Get the fuck out of the way.? I had had a few drinks and the fact that they almost killed us pissed me off. My stupid reaction was to spit, and as luck would have it, it hit the passenger dickhead right in the chest. Right after this happens he says ?fuck you, I have a gun.? So now I?m thinking this is bad.

Scott and I double-time it to his truck as the guys are turning around to come back. They catch up to us and I have nowhere to go so I just turn and face the consequences. I see the driver, not a big guy, jump out and run at me. As he?s running he?s reaching for his waistline and I see that he does indeed have a gun. I?m pretty much thinking my life is over at this point. I just looked at him and raised my exposed palms to show him I don?t really want to die. He just pushes me and I let him. By this time Scott has his pistol out of his truck and is assuring that if I get shot, the shooter dies too. Then he runs away.

I?m not one to back down from fights, and the spitting was stupid stupid stupid, but WTF? Doesn?t anyone remember how to fight with their hands? I would have gladly fought this guy, either of them actually. I learned a valuable lesson, EVERYONE HAS A GUN. Just thought I?d share with GFY
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Old 12-04-2004, 01:18 PM   #2
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Old 12-04-2004, 01:18 PM   #3
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Wow I'm really glad I live in Canada. That kind of thing doesn't happen here

Glad you're ok dude.

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So I guess you can?t stand up for yourself or risk getting shot now a days. I learned a lesson last night in downtown Seattle. Me and Scott from Streamate went to an after hours club last night and as we?re leaving a Chevy Blazer almost runs us over while we?re crossing the street. The passenger is hanging out of the window yelling, ?Get the fuck out of the way.? I had had a few drinks and the fact that they almost killed us pissed me off. My stupid reaction was to spit, and as luck would have it, it hit the passenger dickhead right in the chest. Right after this happens he says ?fuck you, I have a gun.? So now I?m thinking this is bad.

Scott and I double-time it to his truck as the guys are turning around to come back. They catch up to us and I have nowhere to go so I just turn and face the consequences. I see the driver, not a big guy, jump out and run at me. As he?s running he?s reaching for his waistline and I see that he does indeed have a gun. I?m pretty much thinking my life is over at this point. I just looked at him and raised my exposed palms to show him I don?t really want to die. He just pushes me and I let him. By this time Scott has his pistol out of his truck and is assuring that if I get shot, the shooter dies too. Then he runs away.

I?m not one to back down from fights, and the spitting was stupid stupid stupid, but WTF? Doesn?t anyone remember how to fight with their hands? I would have gladly fought this guy, either of them actually. I learned a valuable lesson, EVERYONE HAS A GUN. Just thought I?d share with GFY
that sounds bad..

people need to do their best to stay out of these kind of trouble
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Old 12-04-2004, 01:21 PM   #6
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I was within arms length of shootings twice in one week over the summer, scary shit - especially when they turn and look directly at you. Leaving the bar is a dangerous sport.

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It's got to the point where I assume anyone acting like a tough guy or being an asshole has a gun.
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Old 12-04-2004, 01:24 PM   #9
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That sucks man, I agree, why don't people fight with fists anymore? Doesnt matter how tuff you are if somone has a gun.
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Old 12-04-2004, 01:28 PM   #10
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It's got to the point where I assume anyone acting like a tough guy or being an asshole has a gun.
It's the ones that DON'T act like assholes, or tough guys, that ya gotta worry about..

Those are the one that are legally carrying, and you don't know it..
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Old 12-04-2004, 01:31 PM   #11
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Old 12-04-2004, 01:35 PM   #12
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Old 12-04-2004, 01:35 PM   #13
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It's the ones that DON'T act like assholes, or tough guys, that ya gotta worry about..

Those are the one that are legally carrying, and you don't know it..
Someone who carries legally isn't generally someone you need to worry about. They tend to be more defensive than "don't fuck with me, I'm carrying a gun!" offensive.
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By telling you he had a gun and coming at you aggressivly with a gun in his waistband the dude basically gave you the legal right to put a bullet in his face.
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Old 12-04-2004, 03:05 PM   #18
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Old 12-04-2004, 03:10 PM   #19
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We definitely had nowhere to go but deal with it. Pioneer Square is always some bullshit like that bro.. I woke up thinking about that again this morning and just stoked he had the good sense to get back in his truck and leave us the fuck alone.. could have been a long night; lasers don't miss.

Next time don't spit on someone being a dickhead, they are obviously looking for trouble hahah
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Now if you would have shot him, you would have probably still been ass'd out. Try explaining that shit to the police, it's pretty much a loose -- loose situation.

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Now if you would have shot him, you would have probably still been ass'd out. Try explaining that shit to the police, it's pretty much a loose -- loose situation.

Everyone wants to be a badass these days.
you are right, there was no good solution. they blocked the entrance of the parking lot which was empty by this hour and our options were run thru a huge empty parking lot and maybe get shot in the back vs. staying close to my ride with some cover and the option to return fire if necessary. seems like a no brainer to me but neither scenario is a good one, its simply a measure of less bad.
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Old 12-04-2004, 03:42 PM   #23
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You hear of this happening all the time...
WRONG PLACE - WRONG TIME!
Every single day it happens...somewhere.
Too often than not...it is an innocent person that is on the wrong side of a bullet.
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Old 12-04-2004, 03:43 PM   #24
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That's some fucked up shit right there.
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Old 12-04-2004, 04:11 PM   #26
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Shit man! Sounds like you had some night! Glad to hear you're ok though.
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It could have been worse, once he got close to you, you might have heard him mumbling under his breath.
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I get real pissed at that shit too, especially down here (Costa Rica) where I often party in some bad neighborhoods.

What I hate most, is if its some short fucking colombian guy who's trying to pick a fight with people. YOu know you want to kick his ass, but odds are he or his friends will shoot you.

Thing is, different than North America, here they will just shoot you anywhere, anytime. They don't care if its broad daylight in public.....

What pisses me off even more is sometimes, their guns aren't even loaded. I mean you can't take the chance, but its common they can't afford bullets half the time.
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Old 12-04-2004, 04:32 PM   #31
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The solution to people having guns is MORE guns, so that nearly any altercation will result in dead bodies.



As someone else said, glad I live in Canada where we have sensible laws.
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Don't let them fool you it's not that bad here.
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most of those types just want to see you scared, but end up being all drunk and shit and blow your brains out in a rush of adrenaline.
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most of those types just want to see you scared, but end up being all drunk and shit and blow your brains out in a rush of adrenaline.
That's exactly what I was worried about. All I could do as look as defenseless as possible and hope he doesn't make a stupid decision.
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I think people with guns attract that kind of attention... I do not own a gun (although I want one for the range, I wouldnt carry it) and I have never had one pulled on me, threatened to be shot or even seen one outside of a gun range or friends house....
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Wow I'm really glad I live in Canada. That kind of thing doesn't happen here

Glad you're ok dude.

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And I'm glad that I live in a country where guns are forbidden, or not that easy to buy like in America.
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By telling you he had a gun and coming at you aggressivly with a gun in his waistband the dude basically gave you the legal right to put a bullet in his face.
Suggest you pick up a a degree in law and pass the bar before you give legal advice.
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I guess a "gun" makes ya REAL man now-a-dayz. fuckin shame.

I'm glad you werent hurt though. Scary shit.
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glad you are OK bro... it is a fucking shame that men can't be men anymore.... they have to be pussies that hide behind a gun
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Suggest you pick up a a degree in law and pass the bar before you give legal advice.
Oh... I'm glad you know how many undergraduate criminal justice and related college courses I've taken since YOU'VE NEVER FUCKING MET ME. You don't need to have passed the bar to know gun laws. In fact EVERY gun owner should know gun law.

Your just pissed becasue you got sucked in my my joke "I hate the poor" thread.

Its called satire. Get over it.
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The faultlessness requirement does not mean that the victim must be pure of heart and without sin. It does mean that the right of self-defense will not be available to one who has substantially encouraged or provoked an attack. The general rule is that words alone are not enough to be considered a provocation under this standard, but there are exceptions. For example, saying ?I am about to shoot you? might well constitute sufficient provocation.

One of the circumstances which helps to determine the level of threat encountered by the victim is the nature of the assailant?s weapon (if any). As a general rule, anything which might be used to kill a person, no matter how odd, is considered a deadly weapon. Thus, a chair, a lamp or a screwdriver may all be considered deadly weapons. In some instances, the law will treat a trained fighters hands as a deadly weapon, but in order to trigger the right to self-defense using lethal force against such a person, the victim must, of course, know of the attacker?s special training.

U.S. courts are split with respect to an additional factor in the lawfulness of the use of deadly force in self-defense. A minority of jurisdictions require a victim to retreat to the wall if it is safe to do so, before using deadly force. ?Retreat to the wall? is generally construed to mean taking any reasonable and apparent avenue of exit. However, even minority jurisdictions do not require retreat under three circumstances.

Even an initial aggressor may be given the right to self-defense under certain circumstances. If the initial aggressor withdraws from the confrontation, and communicates this withdrawal to the other party, he regains the right to self-defense. Also, if the victim of relatively minor aggression ?suddenly escalates? the confrontation to one involving deadly force, without providing adequate space for withdrawal, the initial aggressor may still invoke the right to self-defense.
The last part is important.

"Also, if the victim of relatively minor aggression ?suddenly escalates? the confrontation to one involving deadly force, without providing adequate space for withdrawal, the initial aggressor may still invoke the right to self-defense."
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By this time Scott has his pistol out of his truck and is assuring that if I get shot, the shooter dies too.
Great work scott....... haha
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So I guess you can?t stand up for yourself or risk getting shot now a days.
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I'm not sure that spitting on someone is standing up for yourself.

I get the sense that you were trying to act tough and were humiliated in the process.

Imagine if you just "got out of the way" or better yet, never walked out in the middle of traffic. How crazy that would have been to try either one of these two options.
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So I guess you can?t stand up for yourself or risk getting shot now a days.
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I'm not sure that spitting on someone is standing up for yourself.

I get the sense that you were trying to act tough and were humiliated in the process.

Imagine if you just "got out of the way" or better yet, never walked out in the middle of traffic. How crazy that would have been to try either one of these two options.
This is Chichio: That's why I said I was stupid. You should read better.
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Old 12-04-2004, 08:38 PM   #49
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This is Chichio: That's why I said I was stupid. You should read better.

I don't understand.


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Old 12-04-2004, 08:53 PM   #50
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I don't understand.


You have more than one name you post under?
Welcome to the internet...do I know you?
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