Dialer question - GoFuckYourself.com

DamageX · 07-08-2001, 04:59 AM

Ahem... Don't mean to sound like a retard, although I am one, but how does the dialer biz work? I mean, most webmasters using dialers get paid around $0.75/minute tops, while the service actually costs $5/minute and more. Who's getting ripped off here, besides the surfer/jerker?

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MrCockTale · 07-08-2001, 05:03 AM

I think a lot of money is going to the GIB, the reseller, the phone lines of every individual phonecompany in every country..

am I wrong?

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Tam · 07-08-2001, 08:23 AM

ok let me see if I can help here...... been over this before but I will try again.

From that $5 a monute the phone bill has to be paid, then the people who make the dialer.......... IE Niteline, GIB, DialerKing, Varadox....... then the resellers and then the webmasters...... the pieces get smaller as they go down the line obviously.

But also in this you are looking at chargebacks, which are very high, and SOMEONE has to pay it....... this bieng the Dialer Company itself so that resellers and webmasters don't have to take the bite for this......... The dialer companies eat this one totally......

I can assure you that only the surfer is getting ripped off as you say...... but if they know what they are doing before they go in and get ripped then.... oh well..........

That is a little of the breakdown without giving you every single cent that is going to who where and how........ that would take me a week to get straight. LOL

I hope this helps.

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DamageX · 07-08-2001, 08:44 AM

Thanks Tam, you pretty much straightened it out for me. Only one other question, though: the people who make the dialer, don't they charge a one-time fee for actually making it or is it like you're leasing it from them?

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Tam · 07-08-2001, 09:03 AM

Well ok........ umm......... we make our own dialers and we do pay programmers, so there is yet another expense..... we don't lease them or anything like that.... I guess some might, but we don't, we just pay a programmer and he makes them for us.... This cuts some of the costs down and allows us to give higher rates than some other places do. We have on staff all of the people we need which cuts down some of these things. In other words, we have a staff of people we pay in house. lol

Tam

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SNOW · 07-08-2001, 11:40 AM

Good Job babe........
SO many hands the dialer profits go through..

AND ITS NOT 75 a minute its 75 for usa only.. Read the fine print some countries you only get paid 3 cents...so your total comes out to 35 to 45 cents...

Thats why I pay flat its easier for me.

Tam · 07-08-2001, 11:48 AM

We have some countries we pay alot higher rates on than others yes, and for resellers some are pretty damn high..........

Some people prefer a flat rate and some prefer a per country....... In my opinion it all depends on the site you run and what type of traffic you get the most of........ if you run a site that is mostly from one of the higher paying countries then obviously you want to use a dialer that pays out higher rates for those countries...... if you run a site that gets more of the lower paying countries then you will want a flat rate....... both types have their advantages and disadvantages........ it ALL depends on your sites and your traffic........

Just do as Snow and I preach so much, THIS we both agree on and always have........ find the one that works best for YOUR needs.

Tam

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You too can be Vectorized!!

sweetjimmy · 07-08-2001, 12:25 PM

pr0 · 07-08-2001, 01:33 PM

Snowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww lol

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stepin · 07-08-2001, 01:38 PM

alot of the flat rate guy pay 35-37 flat but you take them 2000 turkey minutes and watch how much you make it wont be 35 flat i can promise you that

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boneprone · 07-08-2001, 05:36 PM

If you can qualify, try the Jesus Dialer.

dank · 07-09-2001, 12:13 AM

Ive tried all the dialers..
The Jesus Dialer is the best by far.. Im doing about 60% more USA minutes with Jesus than with any other dialer..

It has the best connection like the good old days.

boneprone · 07-09-2001, 12:56 AM

I hear ya.. Thats why its the most talked about dialer around.. But too bad only selected sites are allowed to use it.

boneprone · 07-09-2001, 12:59 AM

It must be a quality control thing.. Anyone hear of when they will let all of us use it?

Exxxotica · 07-09-2001, 01:20 AM

Yes, Jesus Dialer is primo.

I heard Snow might even be promoting it.

dank · 07-09-2001, 01:23 AM

Nope Snow has nothing to do with it.. He wishes..

The old school guy Diabetic Rage owns it.. He isnt around here anymore much.. Some say he's dead after the boneprone family wrote his script off killing him so who knows..

Now days a guy by the name of Son of Rage runs it.. Rumor is that SOn of Rage rreally is Diabetic Rage's son..

Go figure.. Nonetheless one of the best programs on the net.

boneprone · 07-09-2001, 01:25 AM

To tell the truth, I never sccripted any story for those two guys! They just had a creative mind of their own and went along with stuff. Funny.. But I dont see them much here anymore..

I saw diabetic rage at the convention passing out dialers, but that was the last i heard of em..

Exxxotica · 07-09-2001, 01:35 AM

Son of Rage spent the weekend at my house. He is having some emotional problems. He is lost between chronic pot smoking, and loving Jesus. (no fucking joke)

I finally kicked him out of my house today after him telling me I was going to hell for not believing in God. It's just not somthing you like to hear from sombody who has been leaching off of you for the past couple days.
I took his shit for way too long and had enough.

He left for home on his motorcycle stoned as a mother fucker. That was about noon today. Not sure what's up with that guy.

The Jesus dialer may be held up even longer now.

SNOW · 07-09-2001, 01:48 AM

HELLO GUYS

BLOW ME.............

Exxxotica · 07-09-2001, 01:49 AM

Uh Oh.... Busted!!!

DarkJedi · 07-09-2001, 02:01 AM

wheres the jesus dialer ?

boneprone · 07-09-2001, 02:03 AM

snow you know how it is.

Exxxotica · 07-09-2001, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkJedi:
wheres the jesus dialer ?

It's in Beta Testing right now. Only a few large sites are using it.

boneprone · 07-09-2001, 02:07 AM

Like I said Son of Rage has been missing.. Last I saw of him was in vegas passing out dialers..

I think he is leaving Ashland and riding his bike up here to Portland..

Ill be sure not to answer my doors if he knocks... I can just see him trying to stay here till the August AWE convention here in Portland.

My wife would kill him.

boneprone · 07-09-2001, 02:09 AM

I had to pay 1200.00 extra cause he didnt return the boneprone limmo when we are in Vegas.. He was our driver, and he was to return it after we left with decals removed..

Fucker returned it 3 days ago, almost 1 week late..

Now I hear he was at your house.. I should have drove down to Ashland to kick his fucking ass.

DamageX · 07-09-2001, 02:23 AM

Guys, you don't need to keep posting here, I started this thread on a Sunday so it won't help me with that DVD-player or whatever. :P

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boneprone · 07-09-2001, 02:25 AM

is that why you post here at GFY?

SNOW · 07-09-2001, 02:29 AM

BONE you better call me tommorow you VIP pass whore... I'm sending my driver over so he have lunch tommorow.

Luka Brazzi
Anatoli Bugatzi are the limo drivers names .. Tip them good next time you cheap prick...

Mafiabucks.com Coming soon You Biatches
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SNOW · 07-09-2001, 02:29 AM

OH AND WHOS YOUR DADDY??
AND Where can i get a bad ass dialer

DamageX · 07-09-2001, 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone:
is that why you post here at GFY?

Not really, I just needed the info. On the other hand I hear that's why YOU post here.

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DamageX

07-08-2001, 04:59 AM	#1
DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	Dialer question Ahem... Don't mean to sound like a retard, although I am one, but how does the dialer biz work? I mean, most webmasters using dialers get paid around $0.75/minute tops, while the service actually costs $5/minute and more. Who's getting ripped off here, besides the surfer/jerker? ------------------ Respect, DamageX

07-08-2001, 01:33 PM	#9
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	Snowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww lol ------------------ Celebritydialers.com - the pimp dialer ICQ# 119040611 Digital Pimp

07-08-2001, 05:03 AM	#2
MrCockTale Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands Posts: 669	I think a lot of money is going to the GIB, the reseller, the phone lines of every individual phonecompany in every country.. am I wrong? ------------------ Life's a bitch

07-08-2001, 08:23 AM	#3
Tam Rude Bitch Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In your face Posts: 8,503	ok let me see if I can help here...... been over this before but I will try again. From that $5 a monute the phone bill has to be paid, then the people who make the dialer.......... IE Niteline, GIB, DialerKing, Varadox....... then the resellers and then the webmasters...... the pieces get smaller as they go down the line obviously. But also in this you are looking at chargebacks, which are very high, and SOMEONE has to pay it....... this bieng the Dialer Company itself so that resellers and webmasters don't have to take the bite for this......... The dialer companies eat this one totally...... I can assure you that only the surfer is getting ripped off as you say...... but if they know what they are doing before they go in and get ripped then.... oh well.......... That is a little of the breakdown without giving you every single cent that is going to who where and how........ that would take me a week to get straight. LOL I hope this helps. ------------------ May the Force Be With YOU!! DialerHeaven-not just a reseller!! You too can be Vectorized!!

07-08-2001, 08:44 AM	#4
DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	Thanks Tam, you pretty much straightened it out for me. Only one other question, though: the people who make the dialer, don't they charge a one-time fee for actually making it or is it like you're leasing it from them? ------------------ Respect, DamageX

07-08-2001, 09:03 AM	#5
Tam Rude Bitch Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In your face Posts: 8,503	Well ok........ umm......... we make our own dialers and we do pay programmers, so there is yet another expense..... we don't lease them or anything like that.... I guess some might, but we don't, we just pay a programmer and he makes them for us.... This cuts some of the costs down and allows us to give higher rates than some other places do. We have on staff all of the people we need which cuts down some of these things. In other words, we have a staff of people we pay in house. lol Tam ------------------ May the Force Be With YOU!! DialerHeaven-not just a reseller!! You too can be Vectorized!!

07-08-2001, 11:40 AM	#6
SNOW Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,963	Good Job babe........ SO many hands the dialer profits go through.. AND ITS NOT 75 a minute its 75 for usa only.. Read the fine print some countries you only get paid 3 cents...so your total comes out to 35 to 45 cents... Thats why I pay flat its easier for me.

07-08-2001, 11:48 AM	#7
Tam Rude Bitch Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In your face Posts: 8,503	We have some countries we pay alot higher rates on than others yes, and for resellers some are pretty damn high.......... Some people prefer a flat rate and some prefer a per country....... In my opinion it all depends on the site you run and what type of traffic you get the most of........ if you run a site that is mostly from one of the higher paying countries then obviously you want to use a dialer that pays out higher rates for those countries...... if you run a site that gets more of the lower paying countries then you will want a flat rate....... both types have their advantages and disadvantages........ it ALL depends on your sites and your traffic........ Just do as Snow and I preach so much, THIS we both agree on and always have........ find the one that works best for YOUR needs. Tam ------------------ May the Force Be With YOU!! DialerHeaven-not just a reseller!! You too can be Vectorized!!

07-08-2001, 12:25 PM	#8
sweetjimmy Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Harlem, NY, U.S.A Posts: 777

07-08-2001, 01:38 PM	#10
stepin Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 37	alot of the flat rate guy pay 35-37 flat but you take them 2000 turkey minutes and watch how much you make it wont be 35 flat i can promise you that ------------------ usadialers webmastersprofit [email protected]

07-08-2001, 05:36 PM	#11
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	If you can qualify, try the Jesus Dialer.

07-09-2001, 12:13 AM	#12
dank Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,674	Ive tried all the dialers.. The Jesus Dialer is the best by far.. Im doing about 60% more USA minutes with Jesus than with any other dialer.. It has the best connection like the good old days.

07-09-2001, 12:56 AM	#13
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	I hear ya.. Thats why its the most talked about dialer around.. But too bad only selected sites are allowed to use it.

07-09-2001, 12:59 AM	#14
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	It must be a quality control thing.. Anyone hear of when they will let all of us use it?

07-09-2001, 01:20 AM	#15
Exxxotica Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Oregun Posts: 4,396	Yes, Jesus Dialer is primo. I heard Snow might even be promoting it.

07-09-2001, 01:23 AM	#16
dank Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,674	Nope Snow has nothing to do with it.. He wishes.. The old school guy Diabetic Rage owns it.. He isnt around here anymore much.. Some say he's dead after the boneprone family wrote his script off killing him so who knows.. Now days a guy by the name of Son of Rage runs it.. Rumor is that SOn of Rage rreally is Diabetic Rage's son.. Go figure.. Nonetheless one of the best programs on the net.

07-09-2001, 01:25 AM	#17
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	To tell the truth, I never sccripted any story for those two guys! They just had a creative mind of their own and went along with stuff. Funny.. But I dont see them much here anymore.. I saw diabetic rage at the convention passing out dialers, but that was the last i heard of em..

07-09-2001, 01:35 AM	#18
Exxxotica Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Oregun Posts: 4,396	Son of Rage spent the weekend at my house. He is having some emotional problems. He is lost between chronic pot smoking, and loving Jesus. (no fucking joke) I finally kicked him out of my house today after him telling me I was going to hell for not believing in God. It's just not somthing you like to hear from sombody who has been leaching off of you for the past couple days. I took his shit for way too long and had enough. He left for home on his motorcycle stoned as a mother fucker. That was about noon today. Not sure what's up with that guy. The Jesus dialer may be held up even longer now.

07-09-2001, 01:48 AM	#19
SNOW Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,963	HELLO GUYS BLOW ME.............

07-09-2001, 01:49 AM	#20
Exxxotica Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Oregun Posts: 4,396	Uh Oh.... Busted!!!

07-09-2001, 02:01 AM	#21
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	wheres the jesus dialer ?

07-09-2001, 02:03 AM	#22
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	snow you know how it is.

07-09-2001, 02:07 AM	#24
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Like I said Son of Rage has been missing.. Last I saw of him was in vegas passing out dialers.. I think he is leaving Ashland and riding his bike up here to Portland.. Ill be sure not to answer my doors if he knocks... I can just see him trying to stay here till the August AWE convention here in Portland. My wife would kill him.

07-09-2001, 02:09 AM	#25
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	I had to pay 1200.00 extra cause he didnt return the boneprone limmo when we are in Vegas.. He was our driver, and he was to return it after we left with decals removed.. Fucker returned it 3 days ago, almost 1 week late.. Now I hear he was at your house.. I should have drove down to Ashland to kick his fucking ass.

07-09-2001, 02:23 AM	#26
DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	Guys, you don't need to keep posting here, I started this thread on a Sunday so it won't help me with that DVD-player or whatever. :P ------------------ Respect, DamageX

07-09-2001, 02:25 AM	#27
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	is that why you post here at GFY?

07-09-2001, 02:29 AM	#28
SNOW Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,963	BONE you better call me tommorow you VIP pass whore... I'm sending my driver over so he have lunch tommorow. Luka Brazzi Anatoli Bugatzi are the limo drivers names .. Tip them good next time you cheap prick... Mafiabucks.com Coming soon You Biatches [email protected]