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The new G5: The World's Fastest Personel Computer.
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I do believe I made a nice post about this today as it was announced. That computer is hot and the prices on the G4's that are out there in stock are going to be even hotter since they are bottoming out on the prices to be gone before August when the G5's hit the stores.
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bahahahahah wheeee!
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It better be 3 times the machine of any PC cause I can buy 3 pc's at that price...
Who the fuck ships a top of the line system with 512 megs in it..sure its expandable but still... Oh your processor moves at the speed of light, to bad theres no memory... I dont get apple.
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hey, apple claims it's 6 times faster than the g4, and the dual g4 1.25ghz was ALMOST as fast as a single p4 3.06... but not quite.
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Read and weep haters.
The new Power Mac G5 represents an order of magnitude increase in the power of personal desktop computing. In the latest dramatic example of industry leadership from Apple, it uses the new 64-bit PowerPC G5 processor from IBM and an innovative new architecture to dramatically speed up your current 32-bit world and take you straight into the 64-bit future?a future where RAM will some day be measured in terabytes and everyone can see how crucial throughput is. In tests against the fastest 3GHz Pentium-based system, doing the kinds of tasks professionals depend upon for their livelihood, the dual 2GHz Power Mac is immediately faster?more than 2 times faster for 2D imaging with Adobe Photoshop, for instance, and nearly 5 times faster running the BLAST software critical to the biotech industry.* And that?s out of the box. It only gets better from here. Apple industry leadership is evident everywhere?support for FireWire 800, PCI-X expansion cards, AGP 8X Pro graphics, optical digital audio in and out, USB 2.0?and a SuperDrive is built into every model. Depending on your demands, you can custom configure your system with up to 8GB of seriously fast RAM, up to 500GB of industry-leading hard disk storage, Bluetooth wireless technology, AirPort Extreme for the fastest wireless networking,** and either an NVIDIA or ATI graphics card, including the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro. Prices start at only $1999?or as little as $46 a month if you take advantage of the No Payments Until 2004 loan described below.? We expect demand to be extremely high, so place your order today to be among the first to exploit this unprecedented amount of personal computing speed and power. |
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I'm not a hater... I like mac's there just WAY over priced
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Now this is sweet. Fucking beautiful.
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WELL, i do like them and will probably eventually buy one, if nothing else just to try it out. i recognize their uses and all, and their good qualities. i'm just pointing out that they're not necessarily all that and a bag of chips when it comes to pure power and innovation. i mean, all that stuff comes on a pc, and has for some time now, it took apple a while to catch up. ![]() i give them props on the aesthetics and functionality though, no pc maker comes close to that shit ![]() just gotta give the pc haters the flak back that they give me for using a pc ![]()
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processor speed is such a shitty way to meassure a puters speed ... double your RAM and your speed will almost double too ....
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i really hope that new OS lets you load the entire thing into memory like FreeBSD. it'd make it a shitload faster, and what the hell else do you do with 8gb of ram??
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APPLE LICKS SNAKE BALLS
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Can't use 32 bit software on a 64 bit machine any better than you can use it on a 32 bit machine. if it is truely a 64 bit machine.
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There would be a small increase in performance running 32bit software on a 64 bit machine. That would be due to emulator installed on the system. 32bit software will not run on a 64 bit machine without one. 64bit machines have been around for close to 20 years now. Don't you think with this power crazy market that if there was any significant performance increase in using them to run 32 bit software that they would be more prevalent in the home computer arena? It?s no different than buying a dual processor box and running software that is not programmed to take advantage of it. It?s just a sales gimmick. |
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my amd xp 3000+ barton will eat a g5 for lunch
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ouch! those bastards disabled HT on those tests? imagine what a dual xeon with HT enabled would do then, dayum. disappointing. ![]() but, ati and nvidia do that stuff all the time. at least, nvidia does, especially when they benchmark games that are specifically optimized for nvidia's chipset and NOT ati's. sad part is, ati usually can still spank them. i still wanna see g5 vs. opteron ![]()
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wow, those flames from mac users are even more depressing than the article itself... why are some mac people like that? attack the hardware, not the person
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All that means is that it will run a 32bit program at 32bit and a 64bit program at 64bit. This is one of the ways that the powers to be are making the transition to true 64 bit processing. YOU CANNOT RUN 32bit SOFTWARE on a 64bit MACHINE. it's like loading a Commodore program on a P4 .. It just won't work. The Operon is boasting 50% faster 32bit program operation, I would assume that has to do with the massive amount of memory on the chip and the "Hyper-threading" technology, and has very little to do with 64bit processing. The key here is to get 64bit processors out to the public. Once they hold a % of the market, The software developers will start to build 64bit software. No different than why we need to upgrade our video cards. |
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How can I down this to my comp?
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Double your ram would be useless without the processor capable of processing it.
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ok, let's not get hissy about it ![]() http://www.amdzone.com/articleview.c...id=1296&page=2 that article is pretty interesting, you should read it.
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i find it really interesting that the g5 chip uses a lot of the stuff out of the opteron chip. i mean, the opteron is a _very_ impressive piece of hardware, way faster than anything intel has come up with, even intel's itanuim can't match that. but the problem is the g5 can't keep up with the opteron.
i dunno.. it sounds like it's all a bunch of hype, but i am rather inclined to believe a standards-based site. and yes, if you disable hyperthreading on a p4, it generally slows down the overall performance quite a bit. this is especially evident in the dual-processor machines. intel's HT is built so basically one processor works like a dual processor, except all the sharing is done internally on the die. and, this makes a dual setup with HT enabled kindof like running 4 processors, so you can see that if it were disabled, it would make for a big difference. the tests were specifically optimized for the apple, which i don't disagree with one bit, but the fact that they optimized the intel tests _against_ the intel chip is wrong. i can even deal with running the intel setup stock-like, and optimizing the apple side, that's done constantly. but this was a bit much. i guess it will all come out when the machines come out in a couple months, but it's incredibly obvious on apple's site the BS that they're spewing about the new machine, so it doesn't make it much of a stretch that the rest could be as well. bleh.
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![]() this is very disappointing news though from apple. i mean, the page on their site about the g5 smelled like bullshit, but i wouldn't expect it to be so much... argh.
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probably depends on which g5 and which dell. and if you home-build your stuff, you can easily save $500-1500 building it yourself, and still use high-quality parts.
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Calling a CPU 8,16,32 or 64 bit is mostly a meaningless PR excercise. There are multiple different parts of a chip which might use different numbers of bits. The data path to memory might have one number of bits, the address path another, the registers yet another, the instruction set might have specific instructions for dealing with particular bit widths etc. Few CPU's are 100% one bit width. A typical example is the M68000 family (the current incarnation is the Motorola ColdFire, the CPU used in some Palm devices). The M68000 had a 16 bit datapath, 24 address lines and 32 bit internal registers. The 68020 and newer had a 32 bit datapath, 32 address lines and 32 bit internal registers. However even for the older M68k, the instruction set supported a full set of 32 bit instructions, so all software written for it instantly started taking advantage of the 32 bit datapath once moved to a fully 32 bit CPU. One typical way a 64 bit architecture could speed up 32 bit programs would be simply by increasing the width of the data path, potentially significantly increasing memory bandwidth (= how quick you can get things to and from RAM). Another would be by modularising the ALU's (the units doing arithmetic), so that two arithmetic instructions can be run in parallel if they're only operating on 32 bits. As for running 32 bit software on a 64 bit machine, most architectures that have made the switch demonstrates you are wrong. The _only_ thing that have an impact on this is whether the old instruction set is still supported. The x86 family is the best proof of this. It started out with 16 bit and 8/16 bit CPU's (8 bit datapath and 16 bit internally), and moved to 32 bit without breaking binary compatibility. Just as AMD is keeping binary compatibility in their 64bit CPU's WITHOUT emulation. The only reason for using emulation in some architectures is to simplify the chip core, not because it is somehow impossible, or even difficult, to make a 64bit CPU that will 32 bith code. Since you brought up the Commodore 64, I'd like to point out that you can buy a 16 bit CPU for the C64. It still have no problem running 8 bit programs ![]()
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no matter what mac haters will always be that, haters. and they always come out in threads like this.
as I have said, bashing mac is like bashing someone elses car. hater crap. highschool stuff. ;) use both. i do. but id sure like a g5 ![]()
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why do Mac owners always have to prove their system is worthy??? nothing against macs... I think they are kinda neat.. but its just funny to see how they always try to prove this... over and over....
its alllllmost... and I did say almost... as bad as trying to sell off that idea about that new neon ...yeah it may be fast.. but its still a neon... ![]()
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The G5 looks like a nice piece of hardware. I might buy one.
But it's not the fastest. An unbiased (unlike Apple) source: http://www.haxial.com/spls-soapbox/apple-powermac-G5/
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Greg most mac guys have chips on their shoulders, its like a religion to me....
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