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Robbie 01-13-2017 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21450493)

Donald Trump is a piece of garbage that walks and talks. We've already seen tons of evidence to this point, but he was elected despite that because there's a lot of stupid Americans.

And there you go. People like you who think that somehow you are smarter than everyone else.

If you want to know what the American people are sick of...it's that smarmy, snarky, elitist attitude.

And hell, you're just a nobody. Look at all the celebrities and news organizations that have been shoveling that shit in the American people's faces for years.

People are sick of it.
No matter how many excuses any of us may come up with for how President Hillary lost the election...that seems to be the one thing that no anti-Trump person can admit.

Nope...let's see, first it was all the Trump voters were racist.
Then it was the FBI's fault.
Then it was...the Russians.
Then it was...the votes had to be recounted.
Now it's the Russians again.

Me? I'm already profiting off the new enthusiasm in the business community.

And the market is going through the roof. And companies ARE bringing jobs back and investing in the U.S. again in anticipation of a pro-business administration.

The economy is taking off in the short time since the election like it hasn't in years.

While you guys are preaching doom and gloom...I plan on making money.

crockett 01-13-2017 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21450511)
And there you go. People like you who think that somehow you are smarter than everyone else.

If you want to know what the American people are sick of...it's that smarmy, snarky, elitist attitude.

And hell, you're just a nobody. Look at all the celebrities and news organizations that have been shoveling that shit in the American people's faces for years.

People are sick of it.
No matter how many excuses any of us may come up with for how President Hillary lost the election...that seems to be the one thing that no anti-Trump person can admit.

Nope...let's see, first it was all the Trump voters were racist.
Then it was the FBI's fault.
Then it was...the Russians.
Then it was...the votes had to be recounted.
Now it's the Russians again.

Me? I'm already profiting off the new enthusiasm in the business community.

And the market is going through the roof. And companies ARE bringing jobs back and investing in the U.S. again in anticipation of a pro-business administration.

The economy is taking off in the short time since the election like it hasn't in years.

While you guys are preaching doom and gloom...I plan on making money.

Robbie's world the world of fantasy.. It was all doom & gloom with Obama but now it's instantly different because of Trump.. He hasn't even done anything at all, but it's already raining dollars in Robbie's fantasy world. :1orglaugh

Rochard 01-13-2017 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21450511)
And there you go. People like you who think that somehow you are smarter than everyone else.

If you want to know what the American people are sick of...it's that smarmy, snarky, elitist attitude.

And hell, you're just a nobody. Look at all the celebrities and news organizations that have been shoveling that shit in the American people's faces for years.

People are sick of it.
No matter how many excuses any of us may come up with for how President Hillary lost the election...that seems to be the one thing that no anti-Trump person can admit.

Nope...let's see, first it was all the Trump voters were racist.
Then it was the FBI's fault.
Then it was...the Russians.
Then it was...the votes had to be recounted.
Now it's the Russians again.

Me? I'm already profiting off the new enthusiasm in the business community.

And the market is going through the roof. And companies ARE bringing jobs back and investing in the U.S. again in anticipation of a pro-business administration.

The economy is taking off in the short time since the election like it hasn't in years.

While you guys are preaching doom and gloom...I plan on making money.

Keep in mind that some of us were not Hillary supporters, just anti Trump.

I think Trump is horrible. He wants Ben Carson to run HUD? He has nothing to do with housing. The women he wants to run the American education system never went to a public school - nor did her kids. One of the nominees he wants legally cannot hold the office because he was recently was military (Was it Matis?)

I'm sorry but let's face facts here.... Right now Trump has the lowest approval rating of any President Elect. He will have zero respect from any democrats and not much more respect from his own party.

I can't wait to compare notes after his first year.

crockett 01-13-2017 09:25 PM

Totally fake news guys.. this is so much fake news.. other countries aside from the US's FBI have announced they are going to investigate the 35 page dossier report..

https://www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenk...XBD#.tkWkplKae

Seems everyone is not as reassured as the GFY Trumplets are about this.. Trump already has our allies not trusting him. If our own allies are looking into it, you can bet the Chinese and everyone else are as well..

Quote:

"There have been various reports about Trump’s ties to Russia,” the officer said in reference to other unpublished reports. “The dossier is one of them, but there are others, they make other allegations. Some are more specific, and some are less. You can trust me that many intelligence agencies are trying to evaluate the extent to which Trump might have ties, or a weakness of some type, to Russia.”
Where there is smoke there is fire..

Bladewire 01-13-2017 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21450670)
Totally fake news guys.. this is so much fake news.. other countries aside from the US's FBI have announced they are going to investigate the 35 page dossier report..

https://www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenk...XBD#.tkWkplKae

Seems everyone is not as reassured as the GFY Trumplets are about this.. Trump already has our allies not trusting him. If our own allies are looking into it, you can bet the Chinese and everyone else are as well..

China's media is about to go to 'war' Russia style

China, Russia United & Angry the US is boxing them in

China warns of 'large-scale war' with US over South China Sea

#ThanksDonald

onwebcam 01-13-2017 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21449620)
You obviously have no clue of what you are talking about as usual. You clearly didn't even read the report, because it isn't all 5 or 6 months old...Maybe a few parts but not the entire report, quit living in denial..

It's funny you are so gullible to believe it's all fake, when Trump has lied right to your face countless times about Russia. He has openly stated he does business in Russia. He's openly bragged about getting cheap sex in Russia. Yet because he now tells you it's fake you believe him..

I think I have a better idea of what's fake... YOU are.. :1orglaugh

The documents are dated June 20 2016. One can assume this is completion and delivery date.

The author claims he went to the FBI with it. So given his statement one can assume they've had it since or maybe even before completion because he said as he got deeper into it he went to them.

Now if you want to claim (imagine) some of the information has been changed since then go right ahead. That means his original has been tampered with so he is also a innocent bystander.

The first article this was mention in was this article in October where Reid says he knows they have it and is demanding they investigate.

(Keep in mind they have already had this report for months by now according to it's author and it has likely already been investigated)

The FBI investigated (most likely again) to appease Reid and found nothing


Seriously, do you actually believe that they pulled out the most damning parts and put it in this 2 page summary calling it "disinformation" and left the other 33 pages of nothing to be investigated? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

onwebcam 01-13-2017 09:51 PM

Donald isn't President yet..

Bladewire 01-13-2017 10:00 PM

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sarettah 01-13-2017 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 21450685)
The documents are dated June 20 2016. One can assume this is completion and delivery date.

There are dates from June - December on the documents. One is dated 2015 but it is apparently a typo because the document itself references 2016.

They are (and have been reported as being) a set of reports created and delivered across a period of time.

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crockett 01-13-2017 10:09 PM

..and more information is working it's way out..

Former MI6 agent Christopher Steele's frustration as FBI sat on Donald Trump Russia file for months | The Independent

Seems Steele felt the FBI deliberately sat on the information he gave them and another group which had different info on Trump has said the same.

I think it will be going down hill for Agent Orange..

Bladewire 01-13-2017 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21450739)
..and more information is working it's way out..

Former MI6 agent Christopher Steele's frustration as FBI sat on Donald Trump Russia file for months | The Independent

Seems Steele felt the FBI deliberately sat on the information he gave them and another group which had different info on Trump has said the same.

I think it will be going down hill for Agent Orange..

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sarettah 01-13-2017 10:16 PM

Hmm. weell that is the kind of stuff that if it stands up starts making some of the stuff make sense. They are starting to put stuff into chronilogical order. If they can prove the actual order that stuff happened in then it makes the dossier much more believable.

Meaning stuff like this where they say that he gave the FBI information and after the info was passed that certain things happened.

Quote:

In the same month Mr Steele produced a memo, which went to the FBI, stating that Mr Trump?s campaign team had agreed to a Russian request to dilute attention on Moscow?s intervention in Ukraine.

Four days later Mr Trump stated that he would recognise Moscow?s annexation of Crimea.

A month later officials involved in his campaign asked the Republican party?s election platform to remove a pledge for military assistance to the Ukrainian government against separatist rebels in the east of the country.
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Rochard 01-13-2017 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21450670)
Totally fake news guys.. this is so much fake news.. other countries aside from the US's FBI have announced they are going to investigate the 35 page dossier report..

https://www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenk...XBD#.tkWkplKae

Seems everyone is not as reassured as the GFY Trumplets are about this.. Trump already has our allies not trusting him. If our own allies are looking into it, you can bet the Chinese and everyone else are as well..



Where there is smoke there is fire..

Exactly - where there is smoke there is fire.

Russia was behind the hacks, and told the Trump campaign in advance - which is how Rudy knew there was something "big" coming for Clinton days in advance. Nearly all of the people Trump is putting into power has direct connections to Russia.

"We will have a friendly relationship with Russia". Well, yeah, of course. Trump is owned by Russia because he is being blackmailed.

Did you see what the Russian Prime Minister or whatever his title is said today? He predicts the sanctions against Russia will be removed shortly.

One can only imagine the position the Trump admin will handle Ukraine from here on out. Bad news for them - Russia now owns them. Trump will do nothing.

Because they have three videos of him in hotel rooms with hookers.

onwebcam 01-13-2017 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 21450736)
There are dates from June - December on the documents. One is dated 2015 but it is apparently a typo because the document itself references 2016.

They are (and have been reported as being) a set of reports created and delivered across a period of time.

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Because he mentioned "other reports" I did assume it was almost like a weekly update/newsletter. I would imagine since it is a company that he runs they need a stable flow of income so I would imagine they charge for some sort of "intelligence" newsletter on a weekly/monthly basis. I guess he must have done the same here.

I just remembered seeing that one date..

Rochard 01-13-2017 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21450739)
..and more information is working it's way out..

Former MI6 agent Christopher Steele's frustration as FBI sat on Donald Trump Russia file for months | The Independent

Seems Steele felt the FBI deliberately sat on the information he gave them and another group which had different info on Trump has said the same.

I think it will be going down hill for Agent Orange..

This is what kills me.

Multiple investigations into Clinton's email resulted in no wrong doing and it was so important to make multiple announcements days before the election, but potential reports of our (then) potential future president having connections to Russia and perhaps being blackmailed isn't remotely important at all?

Bullshit. The Russians stole our election with help from the FBI.

Bladewire 01-13-2017 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21450748)
Exactly - where there is smoke there is fire.

Russia was behind the hacks, and told the Trump campaign in advance - which is how Rudy knew there was something "big" coming for Clinton days in advance. Nearly all of the people Trump is putting into power has direct connections to Russia.

"We will have a friendly relationship with Russia". Well, yeah, of course. Trump is owned by Russia because he is being blackmailed.

Did you see what the Russian Prime Minister or whatever his title is said today? He predicts the sanctions against Russia will be removed shortly.

One can only imagine the position the Trump admin will handle Ukraine from here on out. Bad news for them - Russia now owns them. Trump will do nothing.

Because they have three videos of him in hotel rooms with hookers.

Trump is all about him. He would sell this country to Russia rather than be internationally embarrassed by a sex tape.

Republicans are party first. They'd rather be partners with Russia blackmailing Trump than do what's right and protect our country.

sarettah 01-13-2017 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 21450745)
Hmm. weell that is the kind of stuff that if it stands up starts making some of the stuff make sense. They are starting to put stuff into chronilogical order. If they can prove the actual order that stuff happened in then it makes the dossier much more believable.

Meaning stuff like this where they say that he gave the FBI information and after the info was passed that certain things happened.
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I used the word "stuff" in there 5 times.. lol. That's a lot if "stuff" ;p

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sarettah 01-13-2017 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 21450754)
Because he mentioned "other reports" I did assume it was almost like a weekly update/newsletter. I would imagine since it is a company that he runs they need a stable flow of income so I would imagine they charge for some sort of "intelligence" newsletter on a weekly/monthly basis. I guess he must have done the same here.

I just remembered seeing that one date..

Standard P.I. type stuff.

Jim Rockford used to do it that way too. Periodic updates on where they were at and what had been discovered so far.

;p


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Robbie 01-14-2017 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21450571)
I'm sorry but let's face facts here.... Right now Trump has the lowest approval rating of any President Elect.

Gee, I wonder why?
Hollywood movie stars attacking him.
The press attacking him.
The television news attacking him.
Music stars attacking him.

Pretty much all the people who loved the guy until he ran for President have spent the last year calling him the worst monster since Hitler.

Think that MIGHT affect "job approval" ratings of a guy who hasn't even took office yet?
You know...the guy who is already turning the economy around and bringing companies with jobs BACK to the U.S.
The guy who since the day he was elected has seen the fastest creation of wealth in that time span of ANY time span in history as the market gained more in a short period of time than ever before.

You mean that guy? The one that Rep. John Lewis is all over the news channels today saying he is illegitimate?
Think that kind of divisive talk from Lewis and CNN and MSNBC giving it tons of air time just MIGHT be the kind of thing that could have some affect on his "job approval" ratings.

Let me ask you this Oh Wise One....when is the last time you had a performance review of a job you haven't even started yet? Never?
Yeah...me too. Because it would be impossible to grade someone when they haven't even started yet.

One other thing...that Gallup Poll...just like to point out that EVERY poll was dead WRONG about the election.
Just like you were.
And just like you continue to be because you are blindly hating instead of opening your eyes and acting like a business person who understands how things work.

Phoenix 01-14-2017 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21450835)
Gee, I wonder why?
Hollywood movie stars attacking him.
The press attacking him.
The television news attacking him.
Music stars attacking him.

Pretty much all the people who loved the guy until he ran for President have spent the last year calling him the worst monster since Hitler.

Think that MIGHT affect "job approval" ratings of a guy who hasn't even took office yet?
You know...the guy who is already turning the economy around and bringing companies with jobs BACK to the U.S.
The guy who since the day he was elected has seen the fastest creation of wealth in that time span of ANY time span in history as the market gained more in a short period of time than ever before.

You mean that guy? The one that Rep. John Lewis is all over the news channels today saying he is illegitimate?
Think that kind of divisive talk from Lewis and CNN and MSNBC giving it tons of air time just MIGHT be the kind of thing that could have some affect on his "job approval" ratings.

Let me ask you this Oh Wise One....when is the last time you had a performance review of a job you haven't even started yet? Never?
Yeah...me too. Because it would be impossible to grade someone when they haven't even started yet.

One other thing...that Gallup Poll...just like to point out that EVERY poll was dead WRONG about the election.
Just like you were.
And just like you continue to be because you are blindly hating instead of opening your eyes and acting like a business person who understands how things work.

yes, the media is playing people like a fiddle. focused on trump meanwhile the recipient of the nobel peace prize is gearing up the war effort on multiple fronts...china..russia..me..etc

but lets look at trump and take everything out of context and take a 3 minute speech and display 20 seconds of it then repeat that 1000 times until that is all people remember.

scary times

Paul Markham 01-14-2017 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deonbell (Post 21449032)
Trump wanted the girls to crap on the bed too? Donald "CurrentlySober" Trump.

Show us the evidence.

Paul Markham 01-14-2017 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21449203)
By Republicans and Trump. Everyone else is saying Chris Steele - the former British spy - is top notch. He was hired to do an investigation into FIFA boss Sepp Blatter and ended up taking him down....

We cannot merely dismiss this as being "fake". If any of this is true, it is high treason and can be punishable by death.

Maybe you don't get UK news.

You actually say "If this is true" because there's no real evidence and the investigator couldn't find it.

Paul Markham 01-14-2017 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21449539)
No it's not.. It's what it's always been, unverified. The FBI is working on it.. Don't fucking lie because your right wing brainwashing tells you to.

As you say nothing is verified and they're "working on it".

Don't let your mind run away with you, because your liberal brainwashing tells you to.

crockett 01-14-2017 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 21450754)
Because he mentioned "other reports" I did assume it was almost like a weekly update/newsletter. I would imagine since it is a company that he runs they need a stable flow of income so I would imagine they charge for some sort of "intelligence" newsletter on a weekly/monthly basis. I guess he must have done the same here.

I just remembered seeing that one date..

You never read this stuff do you? You read a few lines then make up your mind to what ever you already believe..

He wasn't being paid.. After he realized the scope of what he was finding, he stopped turning stuff over to Hillary's campaign or the Anti-Trump Republicans, who ever he was working for at that time. He then kept working on this with out pay and turned the info directly over to his contact in the FBI and then MI6.

Also this report isn't the only one. There are other groups which were digging up info on Trump. A second group has come forward claiming they found dirty info about Trump and handed it over to the FBI before the election. They are claiming the FBI also sat on their intel doing nothing with it.

There are other reports out there and some back up this info and have other things as well. Trump will go down over this and heads will likely roll in the FBI if Comey tried to cover it up. There are still unanswered questions as to why Rudy Giuliani knew about the FBI investigation of Hillary before it was released. Someone in the FBI obviously leaked it to him..

Steele and the other group are both claiming Comeny and the New York FBI office had very close ties to Giuliani and that's the reason they sat on the reports doing nothing. This is why Reid directly called Comeny's office out prior to the election because he knew they were sitting on this info. Reid was on the special intelligence committee in Congress and knew this stuff was out there.

It's all a house of cards and it will tumble down. Far too many people already know there is smoke & fire. It will find it's way out.

The time line of all this stuff is slowly falling into place and backing up each story. You can choose to pretend it's not real or you can look at stuff and see that things are not right with this. Who knows how much of these reports are real or can be verified, but what's clear is more than one group was finding bad info on Trump and the FBI seemed to do nothing with it for reasons unknown at this time to the public.

crockett 01-14-2017 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21450760)
Trump is all about him. He would sell this country to Russia rather than be internationally embarrassed by a sex tape.

Republicans are party first. They'd rather be partners with Russia blackmailing Trump than do what's right and protect our country.

I don't think it's a sex tape.. A guy like Trump wouldn't give a shit about a sex tape unless he has a really small dick..:1orglaugh

Honestly the only way Trump would be scared of a sex tape, is if it involved underage children or was gay sex. If it was just hookers he wouldn't give a shit because it would pump up his ego.. It wouldn't really shake any of his base or get him impeached. The religious right doesn't like him as it is they just voted for him because he was Republican..

If they are blackmailing him, it's something to do with dirty business deals laundering money or gay/underage sex. Shit that could actually get him put in jail.

crockett 01-14-2017 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21450835)
Gee, I wonder why?
Hollywood movie stars attacking him.
The press attacking him.
The television news attacking him.
Music stars attacking him.

Pretty much all the people who loved the guy until he ran for President have spent the last year calling him the worst monster since Hitler.

Think that MIGHT affect "job approval" ratings of a guy who hasn't even took office yet?
You know...the guy who is already turning the economy around and bringing companies with jobs BACK to the U.S.
The guy who since the day he was elected has seen the fastest creation of wealth in that time span of ANY time span in history as the market gained more in a short period of time than ever before.

You mean that guy? The one that Rep. John Lewis is all over the news channels today saying he is illegitimate?
Think that kind of divisive talk from Lewis and CNN and MSNBC giving it tons of air time just MIGHT be the kind of thing that could have some affect on his "job approval" ratings.

Let me ask you this Oh Wise One....when is the last time you had a performance review of a job you haven't even started yet? Never?
Yeah...me too. Because it would be impossible to grade someone when they haven't even started yet.

One other thing...that Gallup Poll...just like to point out that EVERY poll was dead WRONG about the election.
Just like you were.
And just like you continue to be because you are blindly hating instead of opening your eyes and acting like a business person who understands how things work.

As someone else said, you have a serious case of Republican victimization. You constantly blame everyone else for Trump's issues except for Trump.

If Trump didn't act like a child, people wouldn't be calling him out. If Trump wasn't blatantly appointing people with zero experience to top level jobs all because they are his cronies, no one would be calling him out. If Trump wasn't making 180 degree turn around on his claims then people would be calling him out. If Trump didn't outright lie daily, people wouldn't be calling him out.

You are blinded by your almost religious convictions to the right wing. You hate everything liberal therefore everything Trump does is ok because you can blame liberals for his crucifixion. You never look at the fact he is responsible for his child-like actions which stir up this constant drama..

This simple fact is in a single week.. Trump has more unanswered scandles than Obama had in 8 fucking years. Yet you are ok with this, because "blame liberals".

Busty2 01-14-2017 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21449584)
the policies he's putting in place? That's fucking funny.

The only policy Donald Trump has is the aggrandizement of Donald Trump. This entire endeavor has been one big session of ego masturbation.



Bingo :thumbsup:thumbsup

crockett 01-14-2017 08:27 AM

Actually Robbie I'm going to use your very excuse as to why people are giving Trump a bad time. You claimed over and over again that the reason Obama couldn't get the Republicans to do anything in Congress was because he was a "bad leader". This was your standard answer for 8 years here on GFY..

Well right back at you. The reason Trump is surrounded in scandal and no one likes him is because he's a "bad leader".

Rochard 01-14-2017 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21450835)
Gee, I wonder why?
Hollywood movie stars attacking him.
The press attacking him.
The television news attacking him.
Music stars attacking him.

Pretty much all the people who loved the guy until he ran for President have spent the last year calling him the worst monster since Hitler.

Think that MIGHT affect "job approval" ratings of a guy who hasn't even took office yet?
You know...the guy who is already turning the economy around and bringing companies with jobs BACK to the U.S.
The guy who since the day he was elected has seen the fastest creation of wealth in that time span of ANY time span in history as the market gained more in a short period of time than ever before.

You mean that guy? The one that Rep. John Lewis is all over the news channels today saying he is illegitimate?
Think that kind of divisive talk from Lewis and CNN and MSNBC giving it tons of air time just MIGHT be the kind of thing that could have some affect on his "job approval" ratings.

Let me ask you this Oh Wise One....when is the last time you had a performance review of a job you haven't even started yet? Never?
Yeah...me too. Because it would be impossible to grade someone when they haven't even started yet.

One other thing...that Gallup Poll...just like to point out that EVERY poll was dead WRONG about the election.
Just like you were.
And just like you continue to be because you are blindly hating instead of opening your eyes and acting like a business person who understands how things work.

So you want to blame his approval rating on everyone other than Trump? I am sure his approval rating has nothing to do with his war with our own intelligence agencies, or his putting completely unqualified people into office such as Ben Carson running HUD although he has never even remotely worked in this area. He is licking Putin's ball sack while pissing off China.

Robbie, my eyes are open wide. Last night while I was sleeping our government secretly voted to remove my health benefits. Another win for Trump.

Bladewire 01-14-2017 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21450961)
As you say nothing is verified and they're "working on it".

You're pretty funny Paul :1orglaugh

Following your logic you're the kind of guy who read the news of China building islands out of sand bars in the South China sea and thought they had the best intentions.

You dodge bullets if you can Paul, you don't let them hit you before deciding if they'll hurt you.

Bladewire 01-14-2017 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21451351)
You never read this stuff do you? You read a few lines then make up your mind to what ever you already believe..

That's why I blocked him, a huge amount of wasted energy researching facts, pasting links and his response is litterally cut/paste alt-right with only links to RT.com and brand new fake news sites, he can't even back anything up with Fox News. He loves Russia. A guy from Tennessee loves Russia despite our political environment, imagine that ;) He defies Tennessee political polls with his stances, as well as logic :1orglaugh

astronaut x 01-14-2017 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 21441805)
That shit is so fake. lmao. All of the pages are covering other information. Look at page one and you can barely see it. Go to page 3 and you can clearly see it. Page 10 is a blank page covering another page of text. Page 19 I think it was you can almost make out a sig line. This is just after the mention of "Our previous company report" It happens all the way through. This fraud will be uncovered real fast as soon as someone blows up all that hidden text. Also why is everyone's last name in capital letters? Looks like a search and replace job to me.

Trump: I could 'shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters'

Bladewire 01-14-2017 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by astronaut x (Post 21451600)
Trump: I could 'shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters'

Onwebcam is a waste of time, he's in his safe space and will defend Trump until the day he dies. He likely has a Trump tattoo and is too committed to the cause to turn back.

You could hand him a gold bar, but because it came from you he'd know it wasn't gold. He'd take it to the pawn shop and they'd verify it's gold, and he'd deny it. He'd trade it in for cash and walk out thinking he got one over on the pawn shop owner. That's OnWebcam. A waste of time and energy.

sarettah 01-14-2017 11:23 AM



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Robbie 01-14-2017 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21451519)
So you want to blame his approval rating on everyone other than Trump? I am sure his approval rating has nothing to do with his war with our own intelligence agencies, or his putting completely unqualified people into office such as Ben Carson running HUD although he has never even remotely worked in this area. He is licking Putin's ball sack while pissing off China.

Robbie, my eyes are open wide. Last night while I was sleeping our government secretly voted to remove my health benefits. Another win for Trump.

1. It's not "approval ratings"...it's Job Approval from a new poll (one of the many polls that were proved completely wrong this year).
He hasn't taken office yet, and we don't know how that poll is weighted between Republicans and Democrats.
My guess is all the Democratic voted 0 and all the Republicans in the poll voted 100.

2. Consider doing what I do and pay for your own healthcare and stop waiting for somebody else to take care of you. You make a good salary don't you?
Then shouldn't that money be spent for people who actually are in real need?

Bladewire 01-14-2017 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21451732)
1. It's not "approval ratings"...it's Job Approval from a new poll (one of the many polls that were proved completely wrong this year).

What polls do you consider valid? What are they named?

escorpio 01-14-2017 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21451597)
That's why I blocked him

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Robbie 01-14-2017 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21451747)
What polls do you consider valid? What are they named?

That's a great question. I don't have any answer to it.

During the campaign I kept seeing all these polls saying Trump was losing in a landslide. And I wondered "how?" when he is drawing huge crowds and seems to be saying the things that working people wanted to hear.

So I looked at a CNN Poll. Clicked on the details of the poll.
Found out that they had only polled 500 people! And the poll was "weighted" by 11 points of Democrat respondents.
So it gave Hillary a 7 point lead in the election.

I posted here on GFY about that, and wondered how on Earth that could be representative of a diverse country of over 320 Million people.

Turns out it isn't at all.

Checked some of the other polls and found the same thing. They all polled 500 to 1,500 people. And they didn't reveal WHERE the people lived.

You know...if you only polled people in California...Trump's "job approval rating" would be negative 10. lol

So I really don't know the answer.
I think polling is probably a lot like using Alexa to figure out traffic of other sites.
It might give you a general idea...but it's not always correct.

On Trump's numbers...my guess is if you polled blue collar workers in the Rust Belt (the states that won him the Presidency) say Pittsburgh, PA. You would see vastly different numbers than you would see in the inner city of Philadelphia, PA

But who knows what predetermined result a pollster is looking for and the geographical areas of the country they choose to get the result they kind of wanted in the first place.

My guess is that Trump's own pollsters could get results showing him at 100% if they wanted to.
And a polling company that has people in it that oppose Republicans could get results showing him doing poorly.

It seems like everything is politicized. Probably always has been. But now with the internet, we the people are seeing it for ourselves instead of having things filtered to us from the news media.

Bladewire 01-14-2017 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21451798)
That's a great question. I don't have any answer to it.

During the campaign I kept seeing all these polls saying Trump was losing in a landslide. And I wondered "how?" when he is drawing huge crowds and seems to be saying the things that working people wanted to hear.

So I looked at a CNN Poll. Clicked on the details of the poll.
Found out that they had only polled 500 people! And the poll was "weighted" by 11 points of Democrat respondents.
So it gave Hillary a 7 point lead in the election.

I posted here on GFY about that, and wondered how on Earth that could be representative of a diverse country of over 320 Million people.

Turns out it isn't at all.

Checked some of the other polls and found the same thing. They all polled 500 to 1,500 people. And they didn't reveal WHERE the people lived.

You know...if you only polled people in California...Trump's "job approval rating" would be negative 10. lol

So I really don't know the answer.
I think polling is probably a lot like using Alexa to figure out traffic of other sites.
It might give you a general idea...but it's not always correct.

On Trump's numbers...my guess is if you polled blue collar workers in the Rust Belt (the states that won him the Presidency) say Pittsburgh, PA. You would see vastly different numbers than you would see in the inner city of Philadelphia, PA

But who knows what predetermined result a pollster is looking for and the geographical areas of the country they choose to get the result they kind of wanted in the first place.

My guess is that Trump's own pollsters could get results showing him at 100% if they wanted to.
And a polling company that has people in it that oppose Republicans could get results showing him doing poorly.

It seems like everything is politicized. Probably always has been. But now with the internet, we the people are seeing it for ourselves instead of having things filtered to us from the news media.

Well Hillary won by 3 Million votes, 2% over Trump. So the polls saying she's won the vote were correct.

The problem is Comey shook everything up with his announcement 8 days before voting, and during mail in voting, so any polls before that were off. The call the swing states that for a reason and they swung for Trump after Comey :2 cents:

Anyway thankfully that's all over! I take polls with a grain of salt but don't invalidate them if they don't agree with what I want to hear, only if they are wildly off 5 or 6 other polls.

Robbie 01-14-2017 12:38 PM

We all know she won in a landslide in New York and California. Millions and millions of votes advantage in those two areas.

But that's what I'm saying...the polls didn't accurately reflect the rest of the states.
And the election proved it.

Winning Pennsylvania was huge. But he lost the city of Philadelphia in a landslide. Won the rest of the state.

So you can't base a national election on regional voting. It has to reflect all the states (as we know).

So yeah...the polling WAS correct because that's the people the polling company's probably poll. New York and California is where the media is based in and both LA and NYC consider themselves to be THE center of the universe (and in a lot of ways they are).

And I agree...I think we need to take them with a grain of salt. They show us an idea of where things might be. But only 500 to 1,500 people polled and we have no idea WHERE the people who were polled live or their political persuasion making it difficult to judge a poll's validity.

The entire media...ALL of them including Fox News thought that Hillary was winning in a landslide because of polls.

I heard Van Jones on CNN the other day saying that they (the media) need to stop depending on polls and start getting people out of the bubble and into the heartland to talk to the real working people across the country.

Bladewire 01-14-2017 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21451894)
We all know she won in a landslide in New York and California. Millions and millions of votes advantage in those two areas.

But that's what I'm saying...the polls didn't accurately reflect the rest of the states.
And the election proved it.

Winning Pennsylvania was huge. But he lost the city of Philadelphia in a landslide. Won the rest of the state.

So you can't base a national election on regional voting. It has to reflect all the states (as we know).

So yeah...the polling WAS correct because that's the people the polling company's probably poll. New York and California is where the media is based in and both LA and NYC consider themselves to be THE center of the universe (and in a lot of ways they are).

And I agree...I think we need to take them with a grain of salt. They show us an idea of where things might be. But only 500 to 1,500 people polled and we have no idea WHERE the people who were polled live or their political persuasion making it difficult to judge a poll's validity.

The entire media...ALL of them including Fox News thought that Hillary was winning in a landslide because of polls.

I heard Van Jones on CNN the other day saying that they (the media) need to stop depending on polls and start getting people out of the bubble and into the heartland to talk to the real working people across the country.

Well like I said, the election is over.

What could Trump do that would disapoint you?

What do you not want to see Trump do?

What could he do that would cause you great concern? Starting conflict in the South China sea? Lifting sanctions on Putin?

Robbie 01-14-2017 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21451918)
Well like I said, the election is over.

What could Trump do that would disapoint you?

What do you not want to see Trump do?

What could he do that would cause you great concern? Starting conflict in the South China sea? Lifting sanctions on Putin?

He wouldn't be starting conflict in the South China Sea. That would be China doing that.
I hope that he's able to show strength and then negotiate.
The perception of strength is admired in many cultures (including our own).

If he can get Putin to play ball with the U.S. in a big way...then yeah, lift the sanctions. Pres. Obama would do no differently...and in fact entered the White House 8 years ago determined to forge a friendship with Putin (it just didn't work out).

As far as disappointment... I'd have to give that a few years to see what happens. Just like I did personally when Obama took office (I voted for him).

Anything he does in the first couple of years that doesn't jibe with his campaign promises, I would attribute to him being in a position to see more intel and have a clearer picture of things.

But those would be details and it would need a couple of years to see if what he assesses is correct or not.

His overall economic message is the one I voted on. And I don't see why anyone would not want to have companies repatriate trillions in cash and bring jobs back to the U.S.

I read that APPLE is actually considering moving production of the IPhone to the U.S.!!!!
And all the "experts" said it couldn't be done.
They are weighing out the savings that will come their way in tax relief and better regulations in their decision.

Plus there are a long list of companies already moving money and jobs back after speaking with Trump. It's almost daily now that new ones are announcing it.

You have to search for it, because the media is not reporting on it at the moment. You know how the media is. They latch on to a handful of stories...and pretend that nothing else is happening in the world.

Right now they are only reporting on Pres. Obama and Michelle's last days in office with feel good fluff pieces; covering the confirmation hearings, and spending hours and hours talking to EACH OTHER in their panels about Russia. lol

RedFred 01-14-2017 01:52 PM

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crockett 01-14-2017 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21451918)
Well like I said, the election is over.

What could Trump do that would disapoint you?

What do you not want to see Trump do?

What could he do that would cause you great concern? Starting conflict in the South China sea? Lifting sanctions on Putin?

This is why I take Robbie about as seriously as I take JoushaMo..

He always deflects and talks about everything "but" the the subject matter. He knows he can't defend Trump's actions but Trump's actions don't bother Robbie because it's all ok as long as he's not liberal/democrat..

This is why Robbie is rambling on about polls and not Trump's connections to Russia and the constant lies/bad choices.. It's distract, distract, distract, deny, deny, deny..


BTW the Senate is opening up a new probe on connections to Russia from election staff..

Intelligence panel to examine possible campaign links with Russia, senators say - CBS News

The fucked part is it's a "secret" committee which means we will likely never see much of the real info, they will just sugar coat it and make excuses. Democrats are trying to push for a bi-partition open investigation but as typical Republicans want to keep it all secret..

Meanwhile Republicans had no issues publicly airing the Benghazi investigations and Hillary's email.. I think it's getting close to time to start burning down some houses.. If they are open about this stuff then fine, but if Republicans try to sweep this under the rug I for one will be heading to DC to start doing my civic duty and saying no to these fucks..

Bladewire 01-14-2017 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21451990)
BTW the Senate is opening up a new probe on connections to Russia from election staff..

Intelligence panel to examine possible campaign links with Russia, senators say - CBS News

The fucked part is it's a "secret" committee which means we will likely never see much of the real info, they will just sugar coat it and make excuses. Democrats are trying to push for a bi-partition open investigation but as typical Republicans want to keep it all secret..

Meanwhile Republicans had no issues publicly airing the Benghazi investigations and Hillary's email.. I think it's getting close to time to start burning down some houses.. If they are open about this stuff then fine, but if Republicans try to sweep this under the rug I for one will be heading to DC to start doing my civic duty and saying no to these fucks..

Right like Chaffetz threatening to close the Office of Government Ethics in his letter last week, or the GOP voting behind closed doors ANONYMOUSLY to shut down Office of Congressional Ethics.

One might think Republicans have an ethics issue.

Trump clearly has a Putin problem.

crockett 01-14-2017 02:59 PM

and more just came out..

The CIA has been investigating allegations of Trump's team being paid by the Russians. The investigation started in late 2016 when an un-named "Baltic state" forwarded a phone recording of someone in Trump's team setting up a payment with the Kremlin.

The CIA has obtained a warrant from the FISA court to intercept transactions from the Russian bank and it apparently also related to 3 of Trump's associates but not Trump himself at that time. It was granted 3 weeks before election day meaning this is a pretty new investigation considering the time line of other events..

According to the article, the current status of the investigation is unknown..

Trump Russia dossier claims investigated by US counterintel in 2016 - Business Insider

the BBC article..

Trump 'compromising' claims: How and why did we get here? - BBC News

From the BBC article about the sex tape and the money, much more in depth.

"Later, I used an intermediary to pass some questions to active duty CIA officers dealing with the case file - they would not speak to me directly. I got a message back that there was "more than one tape", "audio and video", on "more than one date", in "more than one place" - in the Ritz-Carlton in Moscow and also in St Petersburg - and that the material was "of a sexual nature".


So much smoke... getting hard for the deniers to claim there isn't a fire.. The CIA doesn't get warrants with out reason...

TCLGirls 01-14-2017 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21452122)
and more just came out..

The CIA has been investigating allegations of Trump's team being paid by the Russians. The investigation started in late 2016 when an un-named "Baltic state" forwarded a phone recording of someone in Trump's team setting up a payment with the Kremlin.

The CIA has obtained a warrant from the FISA court to intercept transactions from the Russian bank and it apparently also named 3 of Trump's associates but not Trump himself at that time.

According to the article, the current status of the investigation is unknown..

Trump Russia dossier claims investigated by US counterintel in 2016 - Business Insider

the BBC article..

Trump 'compromising' claims: How and why did we get here? - BBC News


So much smoke... getting hard for the deniers to claim there isn't a fire.. The CIA doesn't get warrants with out reason...


That's all fake news.

Comrade Trump din do nufins.

Bladewire 01-14-2017 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21452122)
and more just came out..

The CIA has been investigating allegations of Trump's team being paid by the Russians. The investigation started in late 2016 when an un-named "Baltic state" forwarded a phone recording of someone in Trump's team setting up a payment with the Kremlin.

The CIA has obtained a warrant from the FISA court to intercept transactions from the Russian bank and it apparently also related to 3 of Trump's associates but not Trump himself at that time. It was granted 3 weeks before election day meaning this is a pretty new investigation considering the time line of other events..

According to the article, the current status of the investigation is unknown..

Trump Russia dossier claims investigated by US counterintel in 2016 - Business Insider

the BBC article..

Trump 'compromising' claims: How and why did we get here? - BBC News

From the BBC article about the sex tape and the money, much more in depth.

"Later, I used an intermediary to pass some questions to active duty CIA officers dealing with the case file - they would not speak to me directly. I got a message back that there was "more than one tape", "audio and video", on "more than one date", in "more than one place" - in the Ritz-Carlton in Moscow and also in St Petersburg - and that the material was "of a sexual nature".


So much smoke... getting hard for the deniers to claim there isn't a fire.. The CIA doesn't get warrants with out reason...

Interesting that the FISA warrant comes up again it was reported back in November and the reason it was requested first was because Carter Page ( Trumps foreign policy advisor, oh and oil industry consultant ) making a trip to Moscow 1 week before the DNC was hacked.

The second FISA, that was granted in October, was because of the server at Trump tower communicating with Russian banks.

EXCLUSIVE: FBI ?Granted FISA Warrant? Covering Trump Camp?s Ties To Russia 11/7/2016

crockett 01-14-2017 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21451978)
He wouldn't be starting conflict in the South China Sea. That would be China doing that.
I hope that he's able to show strength and then negotiate.
The perception of strength is admired in many cultures (including our own).

If he can get Putin to play ball with the U.S. in a big way...then yeah, lift the sanctions. Pres. Obama would do no differently...and in fact entered the White House 8 years ago determined to forge a friendship with Putin (it just didn't work out).

As far as disappointment... I'd have to give that a few years to see what happens. Just like I did personally when Obama took office (I voted for him).

Anything he does in the first couple of years that doesn't jibe with his campaign promises, I would attribute to him being in a position to see more intel and have a clearer picture of things.

But those would be details and it would need a couple of years to see if what he assesses is correct or not.

His overall economic message is the one I voted on. And I don't see why anyone would not want to have companies repatriate trillions in cash and bring jobs back to the U.S.

I read that APPLE is actually considering moving production of the IPhone to the U.S.!!!!
And all the "experts" said it couldn't be done.
They are weighing out the savings that will come their way in tax relief and better regulations in their decision.

Plus there are a long list of companies already moving money and jobs back after speaking with Trump. It's almost daily now that new ones are announcing it.

You have to search for it, because the media is not reporting on it at the moment. You know how the media is. They latch on to a handful of stories...and pretend that nothing else is happening in the world.

Right now they are only reporting on Pres. Obama and Michelle's last days in office with feel good fluff pieces; covering the confirmation hearings, and spending hours and hours talking to EACH OTHER in their panels about Russia. lol

Robbie, you seem to not be paying attention, Trump isn't getting Putin to play ball.. Putin is fist grabbing Trumps balls and squeezing them nice and tight.... Everything Trump is doing is a "one way" street. Notice Trump has only been talking about things "for" Russia to "benefit" Russia, but nothing about what Russia will do for us..

What Russia is doing for "us" is holding Trump's balls tight...ie Trump is wanting to do all this shit so Russia doesn't out him.. This only ends one way.. Trump getting outed which is slowly happening with all these leaks..

I notice you still ignore all this and continue to cry about Obama..

Lichen 01-14-2017 04:35 PM

4chan trolled the fuck out of CIA.

They leaked bullshit info to Rick Wilson, a GOP political strategist., who in turn sent it to CIA. And the idiots compiled a 35 page intelligence report :1orglaugh

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...wqky5ybtup.png

Of course Buzzfeed (who broke the story) are gonna say now that it's all fake, cause they can't lose face.


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