News Kiev says its forces clashed with Russian troops inside Ukraine - GoFuckYourself.com

pornmasta · 08-15-2014, 08:51 AM

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0GF13120140815

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(Reuters) - Ukraine said its forces had attacked and partly destroyed a Russian armoured column that entered Ukrainian territory overnight, a firefight which if confirmed would mark a dramatic worsening of the conflict.

Russia's government denied its forces had crossed into Ukraine, and accused Kiev of trying to sabotage deliveries of aid, but European capitals accused the Kremlin of escalating the fighting.

Kiev and its Western allies have in the past repeatedly accused Russia of arming pro-Moscow separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine, and of sending undercover military units onto Ukrainian soil.

true But if it is able for the first time to show the remains of Russian military vehicles captured or destroyed on its territory, that would give extra force to Kiev's allegations - and possibly spark a new round of sanctions against the Kremlin.

Andriy Lysenko, a spokesman for the Ukrainian military, told a news briefing that Kiev's forces had picked up a Russian military column crossing the border under cover of darkness.

"Appropriate actions were undertaken and a part of it no longer exists," Lysenko said.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko briefed British Prime Minister David Cameron on the incident and told him a "significant" part of the Russian column had been destroyed, according to statement from Poroshenko's office.

Britain summoned Russia's ambassador to ask him to clarify reports of a military incursion into Ukraine.

Earlier on Friday, responding to reports that a Russian column had entered Ukraine overnight, NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said the alliance had seen what he called a Russian incursion into Ukraine.

"It just confirms the fact that we see a continuous flow of weapons and fighters from Russia into eastern Ukraine and it is a clear demonstration of continued Russian involvement in the destabilisation of eastern Ukraine," the Danish NATO chief said.

A spokesman for Russia's border guards service was quoted by Russian news agencies as denying that any Russian military units had entered Ukraine.

In a statement issued by the Russian foreign ministry, Moscow accused Ukrainian forces of intensifying the fighting against pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine in an attempt to sabotage Russian efforts to get aid into rebel-held areas.

After Ukraine reported the firefight, Russia's rouble currency weakened against both the dollar and the euro. Russian shares were also dragged lower.

The dollar hit a three-week low against the safe-haven Swiss franc, benchmark German 10-year Bund yields fell about 4 basis points to a new record low of 0.962 percent and European stocks sold off, led by the Russia-exposed German DAX index.

(Additional reporting by Natalia Zinets in Kiev, Maria Tsvetkova and Alexander Winning in Moscow, and Alexei Anishchuk in Sochi, Russia; editing by Philippa Fletcher)

aka123 · 08-15-2014, 09:05 AM

About the markings, it's not that hard to take them off and have some fresh paint. Works either way, but I mean that nothing forces Russia to have any markings on it's vehicles.

evy97 · 08-15-2014, 09:26 AM

The level of Ukraine "credibility":

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Kiev published a readout of Cameron phoner, then 2 hours later added a para about APCs from Russia having been 'destroyed' last night.

https://twitter.com/mashant/status/500303628117491712

aka123 · 08-15-2014, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by evy97

The level of Ukraine "credibility":

https://twitter.com/mashant/status/500303628117491712

Based on some Twitter message, really realiable. I didn't even get it. What the hell is "Cameron phoner"?

brassmonkey · 08-15-2014, 09:35 AM

just crush them already

evy97 · 08-15-2014, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123

Based on some Twitter message, really realiable.

What?! Maria Antonova is AFP's correspondent in Moscow. She's reliable.

Midday military spokesperson in Kiev said Russian incursion headed to Molohvardisk, but mentioned no fire/attack -> http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/08/15/7034896/

https://twitter.com/search?f=realtim....html&src=typd

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Originally Posted by aka123

I didn't even get it. What the hell is "Cameron phoner"?

You're clearly not the smartest person here. Read the article.

Rochard · 08-15-2014, 09:49 AM

Last night there was multiple news reports of "23 Russian armored vehicles" that crossed the border into Ukraine. I didn't post it because I wasn't sure of how trustworthy the website(s) were; One of the was the Guardian that claimed "Western journalists" witnessed the crossing first hand.

We have satellites in space that track everything. Earlier on in the conflict the US tracked three armored vehicles move across Russia, and all the way into Ukraine. You just cannot hide this stuff from satellites any more.

Russia is directly responsible for all what is happening in Ukraine right now. Even the top two so called "Rebel" leaders are Russian, and both of them quit and (surprise!) returned to Russia yesterday.

aka123 · 08-15-2014, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by evy97

What?! Maria Antonova is AFP's correspondent in Moscow. She's reliable.

It doesn't make it any more realiable.

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Originally Posted by evy97

You're clearly not the smartest person here. Read the article.

What article? I saw only twitter message with no sources. You dumping some Russian articles doesn't make it different.

Ferus · 08-15-2014, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Last night there was multiple news reports of "23 Russian armored vehicles" that crossed the border into Ukraine. I didn't post it because I wasn't sure of how trustworthy the website(s) were; One of the was the Guardian that claimed "Western journalists" witnessed the crossing first hand.

We have satellites in space that track everything. Earlier on in the conflict the US tracked three armored vehicles move across Russia, and all the way into Ukraine. You just cannot hide this stuff from satellites any more.

Russia is directly responsible for all what is happening in Ukraine right now. Even the top two so called "Rebel" leaders are Russian, and both of them quit and (surprise!) returned to Russia yesterday.

Sheep!

You will belive anything people tell you, if it fits your current perspective.

Have you seen those satellite images? no
They may be as real as the WMD in Iraq they had "solid evidence" of

As US Senator Hiram Warren Johnson is purported to have said: The first casualty when war comes is truth

brassmonkey · 08-15-2014, 09:56 AM

russia needs to send air support

kick some ass!!!!

evy97 · 08-15-2014, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123

It doesn't make it any more realiable.

What article? I saw only twitter message with no sources. You dumping some Russian articles doesn't make it different.

I do not want to be rude but you are sooo dumb

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0GF13120140815

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Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko briefed British Prime Minister David Cameron on the incident and told him a "significant" part of the Russian column had been destroyed, according to statement from Poroshenko's office.

statement from Poroshenko
http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/30998.html

it was edited a couple hours ago

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Kiev published a readout of Cameron phoner, then 2 hours later added a para about APCs from Russia having been 'destroyed' last night.

https://twitter.com/mashant/status/500303628117491712

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Originally Posted by Rochard

We have satellites in space that track everything. Earlier on in the conflict the US tracked three armored vehicles move across Russia, and all the way into Ukraine. You just cannot hide this stuff from satellites any more.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-15-2014, 10:42 AM

The Cold War never really ended it just reorganized ...

pornmasta · 08-15-2014, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by evy97

statement from Poroshenko:

wehateporn · 08-15-2014, 10:47 AM

RT are pretty keen to get a point across

wehateporn · 08-15-2014, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Russia is directly responsible for all what is happening in Ukraine right now. Even the top two so called "Rebel" leaders are Russian, and both of them quit and (surprise!) returned to Russia yesterday.

There was that vicious coup of the democratically government which was organized by Western NGO's

aka123 · 08-15-2014, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by evy97

I do not want to be rude but you are sooo dumb

Does that too base on Russian sources?

aka123 · 08-15-2014, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

There was that vicious coup of the democratically government which was organized by Western NGO's

Most of the government staid, the president left with only few others.

dehash · 08-15-2014, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Last night there was multiple news reports of "23 Russian armored vehicles" that crossed the border into Ukraine. I didn't post it because I wasn't sure of how trustworthy the website(s) were; One of the was the Guardian that claimed "Western journalists" witnessed the crossing first hand.

We have satellites in space that track everything. Earlier on in the conflict the US tracked three armored vehicles move across Russia, and all the way into Ukraine. You just cannot hide this stuff from satellites any more.

Russia is directly responsible for all what is happening in Ukraine right now. Even the top two so called "Rebel" leaders are Russian, and both of them quit and (surprise!) returned to Russia yesterday.

So... can we see pictures of Buk rocket launch then already? lol

aka123 · 08-15-2014, 11:36 AM

"Ukraine crisis: BBC finds Russian aid trucks 'almost empty''"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28799627

evy97 · 08-15-2014, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123

Does that too base on Russian sources?

Russian sources? I've no time for trolls, last response...

Poroshenko's statement, original/cached version:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...t=clnk&gl=s k

google translate:

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President and the British Prime Minister discussed international efforts to resolve the conflict in the Donbas

President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko had a telephone conversation with British Prime Minister David Cameron.

British Prime Minister once again assured of their strong and consistent support of the President of Ukraine and actions. He also inquired about the humanitarian aid directed to Lugansk. The President informed about the latest developments, as well as the fact that the Ukrainian part of the international humanitarian aid in the mission of the Red Cross sent in Lugansk.

The President expressed his concern over the situation on the border, in particular, the fact that through the open part of the border in Ukraine continues to receive heavy military equipment and weapons from Russia.

The two sides discussed international efforts for a dialogue on the possibility of settlement of the situation in the Donbas and the prospects for the expansion of military-technical cooperation.

David Cameron said that the UK is ready to provide financial support to Ukraine in the framework of one billion pounds, which it allocates humanitarian assistance of the United Nations

current version:
http://www.president.gov.ua/ru/news/30998.html

google translate:

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President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko had a telephone conversation with British Prime Minister David Cameron.

The two sides have coordinated action to respond to the information on the entry on the territory of Ukraine of Russian military equipment, which clearly stated international journalists, in particular, of the newspaper "The Guardian". The President said that this information is true and confirmed as much of this equipment was destroyed at night Ukrainian artillery.

British Prime Minister assured of his firm and consistent support of the President of Ukraine and actions. He also inquired about the humanitarian aid directed to Lugansk. The President informed about the latest developments, as well as the fact that the Ukrainian part of the international humanitarian aid in the mission of the Red Cross sent in Lugansk.

The President expressed his concern over the situation on the border, in particular, the fact that through the open part of the border in Ukraine continues to receive heavy military equipment and weapons from Russia.

The two sides discussed international efforts for a dialogue on the possibility of settlement of the situation in the Donbas and the prospects for the expansion of military-technical cooperation.

David Cameron said that the UK is ready to provide financial support for Ukraine in the framework of UN humanitarian aid.

Ukraine is a joke

aka123 · 08-15-2014, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by evy97

Russian sources? I've no time for trolls, last response...

Poroshenko's statement, original/cached version:

Some Russian chick is Russian source to me, as well as everything else that is Russian.

So what's the problem with these Poroshenkos statements? That destroying military vehicles part?

Rochard · 08-15-2014, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

There was that vicious coup of the democratically government which was organized by Western NGO's

Vicious coup?

The president was legally removed from office and promptly fled the country.

Rochard · 08-15-2014, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by aka123

"Ukraine crisis: BBC finds Russian aid trucks 'almost empty''"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28799627

Well I guess they fooled us huh.

WDF · 08-15-2014, 02:27 PM

Or were the contents emptied before the journalist were allowed to look inside!!!!!!!????????

Why the military presence before but not during the journalist access to the convoy!!!!????

evy97 · 08-15-2014, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Vicious coup?

The president was legally removed from office and promptly fled the country.

Your propaganda needs a reality check. There are three ways of removing a president under ukrainian law: one is his death, the other is when he personally steps down, and the third is impeachment. None of this ever happened. So I have no idea what you're talking about.

aka123 · 08-15-2014, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by evy97

Your propaganda needs a reality check. There are three ways of removing a president under ukrainian law: one is his death, the other is when he personally steps down, and the third is impeachment. None of this ever happened. So I have no idea what you're talking about.

Nevertheless, the elected parliament kicked him out.

crockett · 08-15-2014, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Last night there was multiple news reports of "23 Russian armored vehicles" that crossed the border into Ukraine. I didn't post it because I wasn't sure of how trustworthy the website(s) were; One of the was the Guardian that claimed "Western journalists" witnessed the crossing first hand.

We have satellites in space that track everything. Earlier on in the conflict the US tracked three armored vehicles move across Russia, and all the way into Ukraine. You just cannot hide this stuff from satellites any more.

Russia is directly responsible for all what is happening in Ukraine right now. Even the top two so called "Rebel" leaders are Russian, and both of them quit and (surprise!) returned to Russia yesterday.

Rochard as a former solder, you have to be smart enough to understand even with satellite technology like we have, they can only view so many things at one time.

While of course yes we can spot these troop movements, we can't watch them all 100% of the time. The individual surveillance of this type is usually done by drones, something the US doesn't have in place at this point.

Even Frodo was able to sneak past the Eye of Mordor..

pornmasta · 08-15-2014, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Even Frodo was able to sneak past the Eye of Mordor..

pornmasta · 08-15-2014, 04:13 PM

I don't get it.
Yesterday they talked about the fact that they are gonna take back donetsk and today they are attacking Russia ?
It's look like a diversion

evy97 · 08-15-2014, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by aka123

Nevertheless, the elected parliament kicked him out.

unconstitutional coup

Here's how things work in Ukraine, about 100 members of the Ukrainian Parliament were beaten up, their families threatened, and their voting cards taken away.

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

I don't get it.
Yesterday they talked about the fact that they are gonna take back donetsk and today they are attacking Russia ?
It's look like a diversion

If Ukraine really destroyed Russian convoy, Kiev would broadcast video everywhere and invite press to view wreckage but not even a picture. Kiev has been caught lying 100's of times now...

aka123 · 08-15-2014, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

I don't get it.
Yesterday they talked about the fact that they are gonna take back donetsk and today they are attacking Russia ?
It's look like a diversion

Technically Russia attacked to Ukraine, if that armed vehicle thing is true. Ukraine just killed the attacker.

aka123 · 08-15-2014, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by evy97

unconstitutional coup

Here's how things work in Ukraine, about 100 members of the Ukrainian Parliament were beaten up, their families threatened, and their voting cards taken away.

I am sure that there was room for at least one more youtube video.

MrDeiz · 08-15-2014, 05:42 PM

CyberBitch is off from Ukrainian theme after numerous meltdowns
now ruskie/slovakian bitch evy97 is rolling with irrelevant bs. looks like the sucker has nothing to do in his life. broke loser with no business and a lot of time for gfy wars

brassmonkey · 08-15-2014, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz

CyberBitch is off from Ukrainian theme after numerous meltdowns
now ruskie/slovakian bitch evy97 is rolling with irrelevant bs. looks like the sucker has nothing to do in his life. broke loser with no business and a lot of time for gfy wars

fold into russia! dont fight that shit

MrDeiz · 08-15-2014, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

fold into russia! dont fight that shit

sorry, but you seem to be another idiot with his agenda spending too much time on the news and gfy fights.

Rochard · 08-15-2014, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Rochard as a former solder, you have to be smart enough to understand even with satellite technology like we have, they can only view so many things at one time.

While of course yes we can spot these troop movements, we can't watch them all 100% of the time. The individual surveillance of this type is usually done by drones, something the US doesn't have in place at this point.

Even Frodo was able to sneak past the Eye of Mordor..

I completely disagree.

I have no idea what satellite technology we have "today". I might be somewhat familiar with the kinds of satellite technology we had up into the 1980s.

With that said, I've seen what technology exists today in the civilian world for tracking. They have tracking so sophisticated that when you walk in a store, they track your every moment, can tell exactly what you are looking at, and even tell when you are confused and need help and automatically send someone over to help you. If that is not enough, they can match you up to purchase, track you through your credit card, and compare your last visit to other visits. On a larger scale, local city governments track people on the streets - they assign each person an ID number and can track how many stores they went in to, how long they stayed, and even determine if they purchased something.

If you don't think the United States has a satellite technology that can track a few thousand tanks... You are kidding yourself.

Even if they did not have the technology, they would still be able to track it - just like how they tracked progress of the Russian missile bases in Cuba. They took pictures every day, and then compared pictures from one day to the next. Fast forward forty years and I am guessing they can take pictures every sixty seconds and instantly view them - and track anything they want.

Rochard · 08-15-2014, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by evy97

Your propaganda needs a reality check. There are three ways of removing a president under ukrainian law: one is his death, the other is when he personally steps down, and the third is impeachment. None of this ever happened. So I have no idea what you're talking about.

That's funny.....

On 22 February, the Ukrainian parliament voted to remove him from his post, on the grounds that he was unable to fulfill his duties, although the legislative removal lacked the number of votes required by Ukraine's then-current constitution. Parliament set 25 May as the date for the special election to select his replacement, and, two days later, issued a warrant for his arrest, accusing him of "mass killing of civilians."

Seems to me the entire government wanted him out of office, Parliament set a special election, and then made moves to have him arrested. Eventually he fled the country.

dehash · 08-15-2014, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz

sorry, but you seem to be another idiot with his agenda spending too much time on the news and gfy fights.

Lol then you are the 3rd one. All your attacks always against Russia, you never acknowledge how stupid your government is. CyberSEO at least recognized his president is not prefect. I never seen any word from you against your government. It is called propaganda.
Кругом пидарасы, одни украинцы Д'артаняны. Так не бывает. Пидарасы по обе стороны.

brassmonkey · 08-15-2014, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz

sorry, but you seem to be another idiot with his agenda spending too much time on the news and gfy fights.

dont struggle

MrDeiz · 08-15-2014, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dehash

Lol then you are the 3rd one. All your attacks always against Russia, you never acknowledge how stupid your government is. CyberSEO at least recognized his president is not prefect. I never seen any word from you against your government. It is called propaganda.
Кругом пидарасы, одни украинцы Д'артаняны. Так не бывает. Пидарасы по обе стороны.

i did stated a few times that the new government is corrupted and the people at Maidan didn't recognize politicians, and Poroshenko gets limited approval. Maidan gave birth to new age people, which are fighting against the old corrupted machine.

rusia is definite evil, ruskie are zombies. Ukrainian ppl are wiser than current politicians, but we have a lot of troubles because of living next to ruskie/with ruskie for centuries. there're also many shitbags living in Ukraine which turned to shit Maidan in recent months, so ppl stood up and destroyed it, which made ruskie happy, while they were silent on real Maidan and presented it in very bad way. i have no problems with stating such things, so that proves you as lying ruskie bitch next to your friends CyberSeo and evy97

to follow the thread i believe Poroshenko lied about destroyed ruskie war machines. i guess those leaved Ukraine by int diplomatic pressure. not sure what's the reason to lie about it. btw there's a site http://www.stopfake.org/en/news/ which does fact checking for both ruskie and Ukrainian media.

brassmonkey · 08-15-2014, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz

i did stated a few times that the new government is corrupted and the people at Maidan didn't recognize politicians, and Poroshenko gets limited approval. Maidan gave birth to new age people, which are fighting against the old corrupted machine.

rusia is definite evil, ruskie are zombies. Ukrainian ppl are wiser than current politicians, but we have a lot of troubles because of living next to ruskie/with ruskie for centuries

hope you youtube the invasion

WDF · 08-15-2014, 07:15 PM

It puts the lotion on it's skin.....................

just a punk · 08-16-2014, 02:25 AM

Meanwhile at the Russian-Ukrainian border:

Full story: https://translate.google.com/transla...%2F&edit-text=

Cherry7 · 08-16-2014, 02:34 AM

People who say they hate their neighbours do not seem to realise how stupid they look to people on the outside.

To the outsider a Russian and a Ukrainian are peas in a pod. The same.

The English fought the Welsh, the Scottish, the Irish the French etc for hundreds of years....because they were different?

That is the negative side of nationalism, that your people are better than the rest.

What is exciting about New York and London is they are international cities where there are good and bad people but they don't all belong to one nationality.

It is a world economy we are one world. The are bad governments but no bad peoples.

MrDeiz · 08-16-2014, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

People who say they hate their neighbours do not seem to realise how stupid they look to people on the outside.

To the outsider a Russian and a Ukrainian are peas in a pod. The same.

The English fought the Welsh, the Scottish, the Irish the French etc for hundreds of years....because they were different?

That is the negative side of nationalism, that your people are better than the rest.

What is exciting about New York and London is they are international cities where there are good and bad people but they don't all belong to one nationality.

It is a world economy we are one world. The are bad governments but no bad peoples.

just go to rusia, live there for a year, then say
you do agree there's a difference between european and muslim, american and chinese, do u? ruski are ppl of different kind, they are not european, they are some sort of asian fascists, you can't imagine the scale of their constant lie, because you don't know them. i've been in rusia many times, the way they live (poor, shitty) and what they show on TV is totally different. it's blatant propaganda which makes ruskie think they are right and that the whole world is against them.

ruskie tourists are hated all over the world because the way they behave. they get there money from oil/gas or by stealing govn funds (the rich ones). the regular citizens work for those ppl, but attitude there is terrible. they produce nothing, they import most of the goods people need. but the fuckers are fucking dare and messing in every place they get

aka123 · 08-16-2014, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

The English fought the Welsh, the Scottish, the Irish the French etc for hundreds of years....because they were different?

That is the negative side of nationalism, that your people are better than the rest.

No, they fought for the power, for the land.

MrDeiz · 08-16-2014, 06:53 AM

btw Ukrainian army was pretty much successful in killing ruskie terrorists in recent days. 2 biggest cities in region Donets and Lugansk are about to be cleared from ruskie in the next few days.
intelligence reports that nowadays there're very few Ukrainian people among terrorists, most of them are ruskie and chechens. Ukraine army pretty soon becomes one of the best world armies with that attitude. pootin is really scared by success of our troops. that's why he is that slow with escalating conflict: world pressure + strenghtening Ukrainian army. ruskie have no decent war allies all over the world. and ruskie are really weak when it comes to war. they are good at pretending and scaring, but they can't deliver a shit.

ZiggiZiggiCrew · 08-16-2014, 07:09 AM

hmmmmm...46 post it thread and no any pic of "partly destroyed a Russian armoured column" for proof? how is it possiable?

)))

crockett · 08-16-2014, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew

hmmmmm...46 post it thread and no any pic of "partly destroyed a Russian armoured column" for proof? how is it possiable?

)))

It's a war zone, not the block down the street. It took time to get very much information about the airliner that was shot down as well. Not like Russia or the Rebels are going to blast the media with pictures when they are denying it happened and it's not like journalist or the Ukrainians can just waltz into rebel controlled territory to snap some pictures to win an argument on the internet.

At this point I'd say Ukraine has much more credibility than Russia. Russia is the one that has lied every step of the way. Ukraine is not perfect, but at least they haven't been lying constantly about what they are doing.

Cherry7 · 08-16-2014, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123

No, they fought for the power, for the land.

The rulers got others to fight for the land, but hatred of the foreigner was used to achieve that aim.

I know lots of Russians and have travel in Russia and the Ukraine. I found the people there to be very nice people.

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pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 19,178	I don't get it. Yesterday they talked about the fact that they are gonna take back donetsk and today they are attacking Russia ? It's look like a diversion

08-15-2014, 05:42 PM	#33
MrDeiz SignBucksDaily.com Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9,802	CyberBitch is off from Ukrainian theme after numerous meltdowns now ruskie/slovakian bitch evy97 is rolling with irrelevant bs. looks like the sucker has nothing to do in his life. broke loser with no business and a lot of time for gfy wars __________________ Make money with WEBC$MS The only way to still make money in adult

08-15-2014, 07:15 PM	#42
WDF Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Nashville,TN. Music City U.S.A. Posts: 2,248	It puts the lotion on it's skin..................... __________________ Please HELP

08-16-2014, 02:25 AM	#43
just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,384	Meanwhile at the Russian-Ukrainian border: Full story: https://translate.google.com/transla...%2F&edit-text= __________________ Obey the Cowgod

08-16-2014, 02:34 AM	#44
Cherry7 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	People who say they hate their neighbours do not seem to realise how stupid they look to people on the outside. To the outsider a Russian and a Ukrainian are peas in a pod. The same. The English fought the Welsh, the Scottish, the Irish the French etc for hundreds of years....because they were different? That is the negative side of nationalism, that your people are better than the rest. What is exciting about New York and London is they are international cities where there are good and bad people but they don't all belong to one nationality. It is a world economy we are one world. The are bad governments but no bad peoples. __________________ My Neighbour Butterfly PORN-The Musical The Long Goodbye Cinema Erotique

08-16-2014, 06:53 AM	#47
MrDeiz SignBucksDaily.com Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9,802	btw Ukrainian army was pretty much successful in killing ruskie terrorists in recent days. 2 biggest cities in region Donets and Lugansk are about to be cleared from ruskie in the next few days. intelligence reports that nowadays there're very few Ukrainian people among terrorists, most of them are ruskie and chechens. Ukraine army pretty soon becomes one of the best world armies with that attitude. pootin is really scared by success of our troops. that's why he is that slow with escalating conflict: world pressure + strenghtening Ukrainian army. ruskie have no decent war allies all over the world. and ruskie are really weak when it comes to war. they are good at pretending and scaring, but they can't deliver a shit. __________________ Make money with WEBC$MS The only way to still make money in adult Last edited by MrDeiz; 08-16-2014 at 07:01 AM..

08-16-2014, 07:09 AM	#48
ZiggiZiggiCrew Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,137	hmmmmm...46 post it thread and no any pic of "partly destroyed a Russian armoured column" for proof? how is it possiable?))) __________________ ZiggiZiggiCrew Hi-End Exclusive Content From Russia Since 1999 telegramm: @VP1963 e-mail: [email protected] skype: panvlm