If this is legit why has his account been stopped

You pay for support etc, not the product.

He now can not log in and use their forums, get updates. That sort of thing.

He was selling plugins and theme frameworks. These are mostly php. The theme frameworks have the bare minimum with regards to css and usually have NO IMAGES.

Now I didn't see the whole list of stuff that was in the package. Premium plugins and theme frameworks would probably fall under the category you mention above.

And only you fail to see what is really going on here: One wp expert is trying to make the other wp expert look bad.

If that is the case it would not be snitching by any definition I am aware of.

Fair use, baby

-gg

And she might be cute, but her attitude on this board is one of a real bitch. The "C" word is more fitting, but I'm trying to be nice. :1orglaugh

Totally, always slamming others in her posts.

Cunt? Yeah, totally. I've already used it. That's her new nickname.

In one breath you say you're confused and in the next you're telling him he has a lot of shit to clean up? Make up your mind.

Since you were confused about the situation and don't seem to understand GPL, how about you apologize to fris and quit treading on his dick?

Headway is released under the GPLv2. Right from their site. If you purchase this from them you have certain rights as per the GPL.

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html

And these guys know he's well within his rights too. Check out how they word their ToS. No mention of the actual software, but the service. You're paying to access the download updates and the support. Because GPLv2 let's everyone do what they want with the code.

She's always slinging shit in an effort to make herself look good. That's how she operates on this board.

I wouldn't hold your breath for her apology. That would mean admitting she was wrong and a real bitch won't ever admit she's wrong. I live with one and was brought up by one. :winkwink:

She's obviously just trying to stir shit up trying and get more clients. I highly recommend all designers jump in this thread and spam, and spam all of her threads and posts with your own stuff. She does it, why shouldn't you?

I have not seen the pack, but assuming it is all covered by GPL Fris has done nothing wrong.

Of course that means you can also distribute it in any way - My email is dami....JK!

No. Wrong again. You have no clue what you're talking about. Headway is split-license, you should really stop repeating all these falsities.

Your quite wrong there candy. I would LOVE to be shown the door and told how wrong I am.
And i will gladly apologize to Fris if this indeed above board.

Its just that one person is screaming its OK ... and the companies involved say its not.

Bitch .. cunt.. fat cunt. It has no effect on me. I'm much worse than that.

So under GPL.. who wants this package for free?

Obviously it effects you, otherwise it wouldn't have warranted a mention. Fatso.

How did you get it? You bought a copy?

:1orglaugh

Offering to give it all away for free, but slamming Fris for selling it :upsidedow

:2 cents:

It has been pointed out to you. The only thing they can do is cut off his access to updates and support, because that's all the GPL and their ToS allow them to do.

The people you contacted are saying that because they either don't understand the license they have released their software under or just have sour grapes because they don't like the situation they are forced into if they want to put something out for Wordpress. The WP organization did force them into this arrangement.

I've pulled my info from two different spots on their website. Neither mentions a split license. The ToS doesn't even contain the word split.

http://headwaythemes.com/terms-of-service/

This is right from the first sentence in their Terms of Service:

1. HEADWAY THEMES LICENSING
HEADWAY THEMES GPL LICENSING
All WordPress themes produced by Headway Themes, LLC (Company) are released under the GPL version 2.0 license (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html GNU/GPLv2).

THEME DELIVERY
After your payment has been successfully received, you will receive download links and support forum registration information to the email address you provided during purchase. If you do not receive an email after this time period, contact at [email protected]

A dude on a witness removal mission ain't about to debate semantics :1orglaugh

Insufficient research on your part doesn't give you an excuse to make bold claims that are untrue.

Here you are, written by Grant himself.
http://blogforprofit.com/headway-new...under-the-gpl/

Its been banded around for free since the first copy was sold.

It was a joke.....

You're pulling a comment from an article which conflicts with the actual ToS posted on the site.

Which do you think is more valid from a legal standpoint, him ranting in an article, or the ToS on the site?

That is a two year old blog post and is basically a rant against exactly what I am talking about. He doesn't like that Wordpress is forcing something on him.

I'm posting their CURRENT Terms of Service which is what anyone giving them money is agreeing to and again, mentions nothing of a split license and only GPLv2. You don't think it's possible that in the 2 years they've decided to play by the rules that Wordpress has laid out.

Again their current ToS states that all Headway themes are GPLv2. I'm not concerned with what a 2 year old blog post states, it's the Terms of Service and based on that fris was certainly within his rights to do what he did, and they were within their rights to cancel his service. That's about it.

From other threads:
:glugglug

Am I misunderstanding, or did people on here get convinced to buy a package of stuff that could've been had for free? Was there any value add? I'm admittedly unfamiliar with the whole situation and the themes involved.

I was just supporting the puppies, anything else was a bonus.

But, I think Fris is a nice guy and is getting threads like this because he's a competitor, not because he's done anything wrong.

Quagmire, Candyflip. A Terms of Service is not a license. His split-license is still valid until he choose to change it, and according to his reply in the original post it doesn't look like that has changed. That's twice now that the actual author of the product has stated it. Your posts are meaningless in this context.

Basically just a case of one shit stirrer attempting to making someone who does similar type of work look bad.

She knew what she was up to, regardless of her trying to play dumb.

If that was the case, don't you think it would mention a split license SOMEWHERE ON THEIR SITE? The only place it shows up is on a rant he posted on someone else's blog. Multiple times on the Headway Themes site does it mention the GPLv2.

Sorry man. Regardless of what he says, you haven't shown us anything that proves this while I'm showing you plenty of evidence on THEIR OWN SITE that they are releasing their code under GPLv2. This means fris was well within his rights to do what he did. And that's not taking into account that he paid them more for developer rights and access, which ALSO gives him the right to allow his "clients" to make use of these on their sites.

The only thing they can do is cancel his account, again as per their terms. But that's about it. Sour grapes because they are forced into this license by Wordpress.

Licensing is covered right in their ToS.

Which is a direct cut and paste from http://headwaythemes.com/terms_of_service.txt with absolutely no additional notice of split licensing. The only reference to split licensing is in his 'rant' on their blog and in the comments. I don't deny he is the one who wrote the post, but it doesn't change what they have directly on their main site.

The quote I gave you, even if it is two years old, is from his site. A quick google search for "headway themes split-license" brings up pages and pages of sites repeating the same thing. "Regardless of what he says" ? Really? I think his say is what matters most. I didn't want to get into whether fris was within his rights or not, and he'd probably rather we didn't but I can show you another case where a split-license is in effect with dozens of themes in the package.

Not the case at all. IM not a WP developer.
I skin them... thats as far as it goes.
My work and fris's work are poles apart.

It seems like theres are 2 people in a 2 page thread that actualy understand the GPL licence.. or maybe they don't. I know I dont...

I also think its quite reasonable to ask the companies involved is this is legit. Whats to fear?
Either they get an education in GPL... or we get an education in GPL. It would be good to clear this up once and for all.

Don't play dumb. You knew exactly what you were doing.

And no one is debating the GPL really, at this point it's whether or not a script was released under the GPL or not.

And I still stand on what I say. You can search Google and pull up the Headway split license stuff until you're blue in the face, and it doesn't change the fact that the ToS and every point of mention on the website they are selling the script on and collecting people's money says that the "All Headway Themes are released under the GPLv2". A 2 year old rant on a blog by the kid who wrote the code's dad doesn't change that.

god, you're a retard.


anyway, nice snitch thread gimme-website. A lame low blow, and you went out of your way to fuck up fris' rep, which is very weird. Do you hold a grudge against him or are you just a weird psycho? Oh yea i read you're a woman, that explains your illogical brain. :1orglaugh

Me just being here makes you ALL look bad!!

God damn... I'm one sexy mother fucker!

Agreed. Hey, do you have any design specials going on right now? You should post in here. Apparently that's ok to do.

I dont really understand the snitching part people complain about. Is it snitching if you report a thief in real life?
Would you call someone a snitch if they reported a scam? Or content theft?

Not calling fris anything here because i dont know him at all, but calling someone names because of investigating something that may be illegal is a bit weird or?

Now: post a cute pic of gimme-website and safe this thread damnit :)

WHatsever my intentions were.. im still left clueless as to the legal status of this.

And it seems i may indeed be wrong. I just recieved this.

She knew exactly what she was doing. It's a grey area and it does ruffle people's feathers.

She's not a cute, innocent girl. She's a scheming, conniving bitch really.

You'd be hard-pressed to find a cute pic of her. Have you seen that behemoth?

I did post a pic of her, check the first page

Quoted for truth

So yeah...sour grapes on their part.

You owe fris a BIG FUCKING APOLOGY.

All of deej designs are special.

IM not calling Fris out... im asking questions. IM not squeeling or snitching... im asking questions. IM sharing the information with you as i recieve it.

And plz for the love of god... I dont want to know the insides of Fris's intestines. Will people PLz stop pm'ing me about him on icq.