This is prob a big reason behind some of the issues with guns/crime here.

I am in the us and don't personally carry a gun but I know people that do and they never had or wanted to use it on someone. They felt they wanted or needed one for some reason but it doesn't matter to me either way. I try to only keep good people as friends. Lot of the bullshit is probably due to whats goin on in this video.

I agree 100%

At what point did you bitch slap me? The fact is I am knee deep coding and do not have time to continue a conversation with someone who has very few if any valid points at all. I have grown bored of you and I still think this whole "It's my right to carry a gun, so I do" mindset is hilarious and sad. Yet another American trait, you claim you bitch slapped me and won our argument, and somehow that equals fact in your mind. Please, go shoot each other at 7-eleven, I encourage it now, you have changed my mind.

yes not a good habit to carry a gun
especially if your a short temper

you might kill someone

I have some news for you: Montreal is buying all the porn right now.

...If you even know where that is.

please lets not get offtopic by making it a US vs Canada thread.
The point here is that even complete psychotic lunatics lilke Donny can get a permit to carry a firearm. That is pretty alarming, don't you think?

Everytime I see a post with Donny and Gun in it this image comes to mind

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3 reasons I would prefer a person to keep their gun concealed even during a shooting incident.
1) I dont want you to try to shoot the bad guy and accidentally shoot me instead of him.
2) I dont want the shooter to see your gun and accidentally shoot me instead of you.
3) I dont want the cops to see your gun and accidentally shoot me instead of you.

So please, carry all you want within the law and regulations as is your right, but when you pull that thing out, go someplace you can be alone.

Wow! Are you talking for every Canadians here?

I'm fucking Canadian, and you are making it sound like you hold the truth about what we are and what we do....... I'm sorry Canadian buddy, but I would carry if I could...

Now cops in Canada cannot even carry when off duty......cops are cops 24 hours a day, but only carry on duty...... because of what? Because of liberal people like you!!!

You say that you are happy to be Canadian more and more everyday.......reading your post make me real sad......so, at the next election when you will cast your vote for the Liberals or worst NDP .....I will still vote for the Conservatives!

Exactly.

Not at all.

They also rode horses and burned candles. What's your point?

Your the crazy One *Jokingly* whats wrong with NDP ?, I could go on about the conservative thats in power now and how "American" he is.

Winner, winner! Chicken dinner!

They yeah go ;) atta rattle some cages

Donny sits back putting his fingers together saying "Excellentttt" just like mr Burns whilst GFY argues amongst itself in his thread.


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So many guns is a problem, no doubt about it. But there's nothing that can be done or debated about it.

I experience a sense of relief when I cross the border back to Canada, We never had a gun saturated culture, and I know the next road-enraged cabbie won't be pulling out a .32 to resolve his grievance.

While this isn't the case in the US, there's nothing you can do or say that will change things. Many gun owners and good citizens are going to be responsible just as because of the whole "gun environment" there will be irresponsible and stupid accidents.

Taking guns out of American hands is about as possible as taking oxygen out of the air they breathe.

Mass high school shootings or accidental family deaths from the US is like hurricanes or floods or earthquakes - they will happen and there's nothing to be done about them.

Criminals use stolen or illegal guns and the more legal guns there are out there, the more they will get their hands on them.

Our government recently eradicated a gun registry law we had here, effectively protecting criminal chain-of-custody use of illegally acquired weapons in the process. Don't ask why. Our current prime minister worships and wants to emulate the errors of the US.

Most of our gun-owners are farmers who want to protect their land from coyotes and other predators.

Americans seem to feel they need protection from themselves - human predators who will attack them, their families, and so on...

The problem doesn't seem to be guns. The problem seems to be Americans and the culture they live in, or try to live in.

Why are so many Americans preying on their own? What is wrong in the country that people will eat each other?

There has to be levers and causes for this kind of behaviour and self-destructive instinct...

I was in Canada at a shoot at the WRP office years ago, right after Micheal Moore's film about Columbine, and a Canadian guy started a fight then pulled a gun and pointed it right in my friend's face before he then pointed it at the ceiling and shot two rounds through the roof. Oh yeah, that was when the Canadian Angels were battling with the Outlaws too - using fully auto weapons, grenades, etc. so I don't completely agree with your assessment but I do think that Canadian's are on average more polite than Americans.

I get your point, like when I was in Germany I seen police standing on street corners, I felt safe. Here in the USA in most bigger cities the Police Come AFTER everything goes down and fill out the paperwork.

I am sure you have seen in the news more and more random shooting and killings from crazy people.

Sure I see how kids get the guns and it is very bad, that is wrong on the gun owners part. But that is not what carrying in a store argument is about. It is about being in a bank when it gets robbed, shit goes sideways and they have to take hostages.

Sure the guns should be secured at home or when not on your person. Sure if guns were never invented we wouldn't have gun killings. Same back in the middle ages, if the sword was never invented we wouldn't have has people stabbed.. HA

I'm all for the right to bear arms and the right, nay privilege, to carry. But I'm also all for those who do carry to have proper liscenses and rigorous training before being granted those privileges. They should have to recertify every few years to maintain that training and level of gun safety knowledge.

Basically if you know your shit and have the papers and training to back it up then I don't see why anyone would have issue with you exercising your CCW privilege.

The Topic is carrying in a Store by a person with a CCW.

People will always find ways of killin other people. If you ever wind up being my next door neighbor and you have a problem with guns, I can -if you wish - promise not to defend you should bloodthirsty murders invade your house. I can - if you wish - promise to just sit inside my own walls and wait for the police to arrive to save you.

That's exactly what I have to do: recertify every two years. To get the CCW in the first place required training and testing and a 1 on 1 interview with the Sheriff.

In some countries, cops don't even carry guns. It's a cultural thing and that's the way it is.

This post violates GFY rules. On GFY you post a reasonable, well thought out, respectful reply to someone who disagrees with you. You're supposed to compare the other side to Nazis when they point out a fact like "it's hard to carry a cop". You're noir allowed to actually read what the person writes, comprehend it, and respond with intelligence and reason.

Bravo. We see things differently, and I LOVE talking to someone who sees things differently than I but doesn't get into silly name calling ir made up "facts". That's how I learn and grow.

Why do you carry a gun?

You know that the ultimate use of your gun will be to shoot a person, right? In what situation will you be forced into where you will have to shoot another man, woman or possible child, and take away their life? What about the devastation this will do to their family?

Are you so afraid that you will be mugged or attacked? Are you so terrified where you live that you can't possible walk into your bank which already has cameras, guards, etc, to do a simple transaction without knowing you can whip out your gun and blow someone's brains out?

This is the thing that has us Canadians's so puzzled. There is so much fear in the US. Everyone is terrified to take a walk to their local grocery store so they have to pack a gun. Everyone is shooting each other out of pure fear.

Think about it. The next day you have a fight with your girlfriend or wife and go take a walk to cool off, someone might look at you, think you look like trouble, and have their gun in their hand ready to take your life and destroy the lives of your loved ones just because they were afraid of you. And thanks to Florida (and elsewhere's) "Stand your Ground" law, they will most probably get away with it.

Dude, you are one of the guys here I respect the most but please.......

First the gun registry that was scrapped was the Long Gun Registry that was imposed in 1995 and was totally useless, and was costing millions to tax payers....

The long guns are non-restrict firearms, like hunting riffles and shotguns with a barrel length of 18.5 inches or more, not what criminals are using (handguns and other restricted and prohibited firearms)

When was the last time you saw a gang banger with a bolt action .22LR?

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no you posted at jbm that you wanted to post here because you thought it looked dead and needed to be trolled.

you call fool your christian buddies but everyone here still know you are an attention seeking idiot.

Right your in Canada, you DO NOT understand.
If I pull my Gun, I am prepared to take someones life. I should only pull my gun knowing that, and that be justified in protecting mine or someone elses life in exchange for the offenders. Again, the amount of rent a cops in Banks that are shot and killed is crazy. I can not carry in my state in a bank...

I do NOT care about the devastation it causes that persons family, it is sad, but it was the persons fault that needed to be stopped from harming me, my family or another innocent person.

NO ONE IS SHOOTING EACH OTHER OUT OF PURE FEAR.

NOW, your points are more in line with everyone that has purchased a weapon who has not had an extensive background cheack, and training.
Keep in mind you have Criminals with guns, Regular people who have purchased guns, people who purchased in a store with a quick background check, and those who can carry in a store who have a CCW and a background check and training. Does this Prevent every nut from getting a gun, NO
Heck look at the pilot who went bat shit crazy the other day!

Did you miss the "ONE of" part in my sentence that begins "One of the reasons..."???

Apparently we don't agree on the long-gun registry and its usefulness, which is fine and fodder for another thread....

My point was partly that gun-availibility free-for-all is conducive to gun-related accidents and incidents. If every weapon of death ( as guns should be qualified by government and every other source ) was registered there would be less accidents and incidents as well as less gun-related crime....

Unfortunately being Canadian, I can't......but, let's go down your post....

If me or anyone of my family's life would be at stake, I would have no regrets in defend it, and would not care about anything else.....you are a wolf, I'm a shepherd's dog....end of conversation......if his family is devastated.....it's his own fault

Are you afraid of fire? Why do you have smoke detectors, fire extinguishers and fire insurance? You should not worry.....the fire department will be there in 10-15 minutes to find you unconscious or dead from smoke inhalation!

Talk for yourself dude..... I'm Canadian and not puzzled in any way! I am sometime terrified to take a walk HERE in Canada.... I would NOT in the US, because I would be EQUAL to everyone else.....not about to give my life without a fight to street punks that may have guns.....

Media have already burnt your brain........unfortunately!

That's the reason I stopped watching TV over 10 years ago! (at least on the net, I can read both sides of stories and make my own conclusions)

Mark, you are an educated man and a great business man here in Montreal, but please.......please, do not post shit like that.....making me go HUH?

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you will always be selective and self-serving. like the love of the lord for man, it is nice to know some things will never change.

I was pretty shocked. It was Dallas PD as I recall. I'm curious, is it less fucked up because the woman being attacked with the tire iron appeared to be a hooker being attacked by a pimp?

I went to the cop because I expected, based on my experience, that the cop WOULD do something. So I'm not saying this was normal for US cops. It does seem that it happens often enough that I didn't just read about it, but actually experienced it. In the normal case, there simply aren't any cops around to protect you. They would do something if they happened to be there, but there isn't a cop every hundred feet, so you have to take appropriate steps to protect yourself and your family.

I will still respect you nonetheless! :winkwink:

We should go for a beer.....and talk about guns.......nah, let's talk about porn and $$$! :thumbsup

The cool thing about statistics is you can't blame them on a media bias or something. If there is less violent crime in the US because of the second amendment, then the stats would reflect that. No big deal, but up is up and down is down.

I've been studying south korean culture to some degree. Over there, it's commonplace for a person to walk into a crowded coffee shop and drop their bag on an empty table, then go to the counter and order. One youtuber followed a person who did that and interviewed him about why he did that, and didnt he worry that his bag would be stolen? The man replied that he wanted to reserve the table while he ordered, and that no he wasn't worried because there were so many people around that it would be unlikely for anyone to steal his bag.

Perspective makes the world look different doesn't it?

No. 90%-95% of the time an attack will stop or be prevented by, the aggressor becoming aware that the intended victim or witness is armed. Studies have looked at "victims" who presented a pistol and the attacker fled. I don't know of any studies that covered the only times I've used my gun defensively, where I simply walked into a room and ordered the combatants to stop since combatants already knew I was armed. An example was my brother and sister-in-law, who get violent with each other, throwing knives at each other, etc. She picked up a chair over her head to throw it at him. I ordered her, in a drill sergeant voice, to put it down, with my hand on my hip. Glancing toward my hip she remembered there's probably a holster there, so she set the chair down and sat down. So far, I've had about three such cases - I've never drawn my pistol, but those around me can hear something in my voice when I tell them to back down.

I have drawn pepper spray a couple of times and used it once on a burglar, and twenty years ago when someone broke into the house to attack my brother I presented a shotgun. The attacker coming into the house and their accomplices quickly fled, no shots fired.

Puzzled, eh? I can solve that puzzle for you. Why are you so scared of fire that you spend a couple hundred dollars on smoke detectors? It's pretty much the same, except going to the range is also a fun hobby. You might have a fire, I might be attacked by some stray dogs, or see someone else being atacked. We both have some protection. Range time is just more fun than 9V batteries. :)

I already mentioned that! :winkwink:

I told him: "You should not worry.....the fire department will be there in 10-15 minutes to find you unconscious or dead from smoke inhalation!"

I agree about the 9V battery.......he only get the trill a few times a year when he replaces it!

Fuck having a gun in the USA... I would want a tank :)

Feel better now?

what the hell are you talking about? The argument at hand is whether people should be aloud or should feel the need to carry everywhere they go in the US. I've read some ok points for both sides.

However, there isn't one person in this thread that thinks that it is necessary to do this in canada.. that is down right laughable... nobody is carrying handguns around here, not even most of the criminals.. You walk around some parts of toronto or vancouver it gets a little more dangerous but it's NOTHING in comparison.

Also, it's not a liberal/conservative thing here either... both sides agree on this issue.

Yes I read that just after I posted. This thread is cool because some people have actually READ the posts by people they disagree with and had a reasonable discussion. That's so rare with politically charged topics.

Btw my post starting with "this post violates GFY rules" was misting an important word - don't or can't

This:
On GFY you post a reasonable, well thought out, respectful reply to someone who disagrees with you.

Was supposed to say (jokingly):
On GFY you CAN'T post a reasonable, well thought out, respectful reply to someone who disagrees with you.

Which part of the Bible says "The Glock is my shepherd"?

Thanks in advance.

I can think of no better reason to unban someone than that they're allowed to carry a concealed weapon.

Much congratulations!

I have a concealed weapon, too. I keep it in my pants.

No, I'm not going to fucking waste time reading this thread. See sig!

Whoa, I just checked back in this thread, lot's of things I don't have time to respond too.


Exactly, I don't see the conservatives changing anything to allow concealed weapons so I must have missed the point.

You know what? You are another closed mind person watching TV in Canada...... your brain has been fried from the Libs that were in power for too long.....

If you want to laugh, maybe you can come and laugh and explain to the families of numerous victims of street gangs around here....laugh all you want, but keep in mind that we are all free to have our own opinion, but when you own or represent a program like Pimproll in your nick and sig, you should be moderated in your comments dude...

What do you mean about both sides agreeing on this issue???? Liberals and NDP followers do not agree on people having guns......Conservatives DO!

Maybe Canadian cities are safer than US cities, but I would still be carrying a gun if I could.......