Even if you get Filesonic shut down they'll just move the files to another file sharing site. It seems like they have a new one spring up every day.

She's co-operating on this: http://www.fscapap.com/content.html

IMO this isn't about fighting piracy, but about co-operating with pirates. They work with tubes only, not a single word about file lockers (and file lockers is what this thread started about) and the list of producers working with them hasn't grown for a year or maybe they just don't update it anymore. I will contact her though. Of course one coalition is best but if it doesn't cover things that are important for me and others, then the existing one isn't good enough, simple.

If we can get Visa/MM/PP to stick with their own TOS and stop processing for filelockers and tubes, then they won't process for new filelockers anymore either. But of course everybody is free NOT to do anything and get out of business :)

You know with paypal I find that you actually have to call them and talk to someone to actually get something to happen. I've had quite a few file ripping sites paypal accounts removed this way. Just sending an email = nothing happens.

Paypal are a joke from what i have been reading recently.
So unless filesonic will act i dont think this site will drop any time soon.

Got this email back from PayPal today concerning me showing them screenshots of it:

Dear robbie,

Thank you for contacting PayPal and reporting a possible violation of our Acceptable Use Policy.

We will thoroughly review the mentioned website/s and/or auction/s and possible linked PayPal accounts and take further action as appropriate in this case.

Due to data protection we cannot provide details regarding the result of this review or its possible consequences and hope for your understanding in this regard. As a matter of course your information will be kept in confidence.

We thank you for your active support of PayPal and appreciate the information that you provided.

The complete Acceptable Use Policy can be found at the following URL:

https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?c...locale.x=en_US

To learn more about the Acceptable Use Policy, please refer to our Help Center page here:

https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/helpweb?cmd=_help

Again, we thank you for your cooperation. If you have any further questions, please contact the PayPal Brand Risk Management Department at [email protected].

Sincerely,

Noah

PayPal, Brand Risk Management

PayPal, an eBay Company

And here is the "IReport" I filed on CNN:

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-721326

Feel free to post that anywhere you'd like.

That's the only way to do it, sending Paypal an email is pretty much worthless, you will get a canned response and the email MIGHT get reviewed by a lower level employee.

If you call Paypal and get the right employee you often can get something done. The thing is you have to be persistent, and if you don't like the answer you get from the first employee ask for a supervisor and keep going up the ladder. They can be maddening to deal with but Paypal will take action if your are persistent. That is in regards to file forums and blogs though, sites like Filesonic are another story...

FileSonic is actually pretty good about piracy. Oron is the one you want to shutdown. Screwing with Exbii's income is fun too. We started yesterday

my sites aren't on there, i am not sure if i should be relieved or insulted

:thumbsup I wouldn't check on the search or they could be the next link to be found on there :pimp

Good advice. :2 cents:

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

FileSonic ARE pirates. Good pirates do not exist. Maybe some are less worse than others... but at least 90% of FileSonic's content is stolen. It's like saying that some of the junks around your house that try to steal your stuff at night are ok. They're not ok, you need to get a gun and shoot their balls off.

Naming and shaming the processors will have a big effect.

Still waiting for a reply to my question.

"How profitable is it to rip and load stuff to these sites to get paid for downloads from the site??

Fileshare sites could easily stop the piracy, at least, two different ways. They can ban repeat offenders from their affiliate programs. Say three strikes [DMCA notices] you're out? They can also block the URL of the forums from linking to them with simple .htaccess.

But they don't because they would go out of business if they tried to run honestly.

Paul, I'm sure that relatively the profit on ripped content is much lower than on legit sales from paysites. If you would be a porn addict scanning the web for free porn, would you pay for an account at a filelocker that allows you to download everything for free already anyway? So a lot of damage is done to content producers, only for producing little profit for a few thieves. As many wrote many times before already, most of these pirates are in Russia and over there, making a few hundred dollars from home makes you the king of the village.

It's like someone stealing your $10,000 Quad stereo set and selling it for $100 dollars. He's happy with his $100 dollars, you lost $10,000. There's no way that these content thieves individually make anything that comes near what content producers make. I do believe though that the people behind the filelockers make good money.

They can also ban repeat uploading of infringing files by blocking their hash signatures after recieving a valid DMCA take down request (like rapidshare does).

And of course it'd help if they were actually deleting reported files instead of merely disabling generated links while keeping the master file intact so the uploader can generate a new set of links and repost, often within hours after takedown.

But of course sites like filesonic and oron are never going to do that because unlike rapidshare they simply do not have any other uses except for piracy to sustain their business model.

What a lot of content producers don't seem to understand, and what will kill them in the end, is that if FileSonic removes their content, people still can download a lot of other content from other producers from that same filelocker. So no matter what niche you are in, if people can download any content for free from a filelocker, the chance that they will come to your paysite to pay for your content, remains relatively small. So having your own content removed from a filelocker really doesn't solve your problem and it also really doesn't make this filelocker "ok". You shouldn't have to ask them to remove the content they stole from you, in the first place.

It just depends. If you run a site like the one being lambasted against in this thread (pornrip.org) and you get a fair enough amount of traffic, $3-5k a month.
People that post on sites like warez-bb on a regular basis or the offhand piracy blogs like tactools can make $1-3k a month because they get steady traffic and they schedule updates every 30 minutes or so. People can sub to RSS feeds and see if there is anything they like.
Just throwing up some scenes on one of the more popular porn/warez sites you can make nice weekend money. This has been reported on ZDnet and the article was referenced on here.

If you want to cut out the filehosts, you need to make it some how illegal for them to get money for files or at least cut off incentives to say things like: (post cool things and have your friends download them and get $30 for every 1000 downloads).
Filehosts have become very competitive, there are over 1000 but only 10-20 mainstream ones that are now household names.

There is a whole art to piracy and there are forums dedicated to what are called "uploaders."

If you want a forum where these guys hang out so you can lurk and learn how they work you are welcome to email me at my gmail account.

johnnyloadproductions

Best bet is you need to start doing things that really engage your customer. Hell, when I was shooting I loved talking to customers, blogging, and getting real intimate with my customer base and doing special requests.

It's just like any kind of evolution, there is a lax period where a lot of you on here (who got in fairly early) made a shit load of money and are established. Now a shit period has come in and some of the weaker guys are going to die out.

I'm just speculating but companies like manwin probably don't care about piracy too much or might even promote it, why? Because they have a longterm goal and the fact piracy is choking off everyone and making profit margin nil is making many of you rethink your pursuits either throwing up your hands in resignation or selling out by selling your assets off. Which in the end makes them a huge winner. Clips4sale will always be around but that's not worth there time.

If you are going to campaign against piracy, you small to mid level producers are going to have to form your own coalition and do your own form of an anonymous attack that humilates the billing company in regards to what they are doing. Many of you are smart on here, somebody needs to take action like Mike South did for ************* except for piracy. This has snuck up much slower and is not as flagrant as the posting of peoples' personal ID but it's effecting you just as much.

Total respect for this :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Great post Johnny, I want you to be the CEO of my coalition :)

Euker,

I thought we were on the same side? I never said that FileSonic wasn't a problem but your prioritization sequence doesn't make sense. It makes much more sense to go after Oron versus any other host due to the fact Oron owns what is it now 2 or 3 forums?

Plus they're one of the most resilient Cyberlockers out there compared to the rest. As to Warez BB that's already on the govs list.

haha, I'd be better suited for just providing insights. It's an interest to me because right now I'm mostly just an affiliate and it tears at me as well.

Yes, you are right about oron being the worst and owning some forums, where they make a ton of money.
Paypal maintains an image of a clean company but like anyone else they'll turn a blind eye if it means a lot of cash and in this instants the filehosts do turn over a lot of revenue. If you can get a consensus and somehow let the public know that they help sell memberships that provide access to things such as bestiality and CP you might have a fighting chance.
A bit of a smear campaign but that's the only new thing I see here that may cause some alarm. Some of you may have better ideas.

Some of it is all a matter of where the hosts reside to, I know some filehosts in russia are known to retain illegal files for a very long time and probably not worry too much. Oron is in the Netherlands I believe so they don't fret too much. I'm out of my element though when it comes to the legal and political grounds of taking action against them.

All this would probably do is make filehosts revamp their reporting to probably remove everything immediately that was considered illegal rather than copyright. Because a harsh sentence for distributing a movie out and costing hundreds of thousands of dollars of revenue to a big movie studio may get you a year in some circumstances. A download of a .rar file containing sexually deviant things may get you 5-10 years.

This is really a hard problem to solve, at least even mitigating it.

We are on the same side.

Something is wrong about my prioritization sequence? I've set-up a site about Oron and LeaseWeb, did you really miss that?

But I do know what you mean, also when you write that FileSonic is better than Oron, what I'm trying to say is... try to think in terms of "less worse". In the end they're all scum but yes some are worse than others.

Unless I missed it, it was just Leaseweb and their relation to CP and bestiality.

Of course, they're all bad in their own unique ways it's more or less who deserves to go down first.

http://planetsuzy.org/t405883-pornbb-has-been-sold.html

No, a lot on the site is about the combination LeaseWeb & Oron and the responsibility LeaseWeb has (legally and morally) for Oron's misbehavior. Oron has been one of my biggest headaches for a few years now.