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The Porn Nerd · 06-14-2011, 01:28 PM

Ah well, it happens. Signals got crossed and I wish I could blame it on drugs.

ANYway: I meant NETBilling vs. OTHER payment options. Let's leave NATS out of this.

Oh boy.

OY · 06-14-2011, 01:29 PM

lol

boink

alias · 06-14-2011, 01:30 PM

Don't worry man, no big deal. People make mistakes.

JerseyPuma · 06-14-2011, 01:30 PM

do you mean merchant accounts vs. IPSPs, or Netbilling vs. other available payment gateways?

as far as gateways, I will vouch for Netbilling's usability and support here.

The Porn Nerd · 06-14-2011, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JerseyPuma

do you mean merchant accounts vs. IPSPs, or Netbilling vs. other available payment gateways?

as far as gateways, I will vouch for Netbilling's usability and support here.

Gateways, defintiely. Obviously, my ignorance is showing here since I am a CCBill program owner. LOL Meaning: that's all I've used so, to me, affiliate program and processing are tied together. And obviously there are many, many differant types of billing.

But I'm looking for a way to better control the form subission process, and to control things like scrubs, etc. Probably also trying to weigh chargebacks under me controlling submissions more vs. less chargebacks with an established processer like CCBill.

alias · 06-14-2011, 01:41 PM

Sounds like you want nats or mpa with a cascade of processors starting with netbilling or ccbill and moving on down the line. Epoch, zombaio, segpay or whoever you want to use in your cascade would follow your primary. People also rotate the primary too.

As you may know ccb will let you cascade but afaik retains primary when using their affiliate program.

The Porn Nerd · 06-14-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

Sounds like you want nats or mpa with a cascade of processors starting with netbilling or ccbill and moving on down the line. Epoch, zombaio, segpay or whoever you want to use in your cascade would follow your primary. People also rotate the primary too.

As you may know ccb will let you cascade but afaik retains primary when using their affiliate program.

I should run my GFY threads by you before I post again. LOL yes, that's pretty much it, but what/who is afaik? The ignorance continues...

alias · 06-14-2011, 02:08 PM

Acronym: As Far As I Know=afaik.

The Porn Nerd · 06-14-2011, 02:12 PM

GET the fuck out - or, GTFO! Man, I just learned what LMAO means the other day (how appropriate).
But, in my defense, acronyms are capitalized. Oh forget it, I have no defense. LOL (Laugh Out Loud)

But if you're saying then (as far as you know) CCBill must remain primary if using their ap is wrong, you can switch the cascade and the affs still get paid even when Epoch or whoever is primary.

LeRoy · 06-14-2011, 02:20 PM

Havent heard anything negative about Netbilling.

stever · 06-14-2011, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

But I'm looking for a way to better control the form subission process, and to control things like scrubs, etc. Probably also trying to weigh chargebacks under me controlling submissions more vs. less chargebacks with an established processer like CCBill.

the only way to do this is via a merchant account (control scrub and how little or how much info the customer needs to have in order to pass the sale)

i have used both IPSPs and merchant accounts and found they are more or less the same thing in terms of throughput

what you should do is have several options so you give surfers an easy way to signup to the other option in case option 1 fails, and something like NATS will allow you to manage this easier

sadiedazzle · 06-14-2011, 02:38 PM

I love netbilling. We run netbilling and ccbill. We use only ccbill for our affiliate program. Netbilling's admin panel is so much better than ccbill's. You can control how heavily you want to scrub, it's easier and faster to look stuff up. Generally you have way more control with netbilling and you get your money every single day.

fuzebox · 06-14-2011, 02:49 PM

Getting your own merchant account will save you some points on the rate, and give you more control over stuff like your join form and scrubs... Keep in mind though you have to do your own affiliate payouts, and do your own member/billing support (or use a support service). Netbilling will handle this for you as well, but depending on what level you're at volume wise, the savings may not be that high. If you're paying 12% with ccbill now, and get a merchant account at 6%, by the time you factor in the additional netbilling percentage and the support costs, you may only be saving 1-2%, while having to deal with running your own payouts.

I still think a merchant account is the best way to go, but it's not for everyone

ntesic · 06-14-2011, 02:53 PM

NetBilling rocks

TMM_Vlad · 06-14-2011, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Ah well, it happens. Signals got crossed and I wish I could blame it on drugs.

ANYway: I meant NETBilling vs. OTHER payment options. Let's leave NATS out of this.

Oh boy.

You can try them all out and see which ones work the best for you through the NATS cascading feature.

We have over 80+ integrated NATS billers and you can do various testing with the billers in your cascade such as setting weights to how many times you want show a certain biller page. You can even geo-target your traffic to send surfers directly to billers that are specific to their country. Don't be limited to just one billing company!

Here is a current list of NATS integrated billers you can use: http://wiki.toomuchmedia.com/index.php/NATS_Biller_List

I will hit you up directly to discuss more.

LeRoy · 06-14-2011, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sadiedazzle

I love netbilling. We run netbilling and ccbill. We use only ccbill for our affiliate program. Netbilling's admin panel is so much better than ccbill's. You can control how heavily you want to scrub, it's easier and faster to look stuff up. Generally you have way more control with netbilling and you get your money every single day.

If your ccbill affiliate sends a sale thru netbilling. Do they still get credit for the sale?

wendy739 · 06-14-2011, 03:12 PM

Thank you to everyone for all the compliments about our service.

To MisterPeabody if you are interested in getting additional information about our services I would be happy to send you some information and provide you with a demo of our system.

I'm sure you will find the level of service provided by our company far beyond your expectations.

NETbilling · 06-14-2011, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Getting your own merchant account will save you some points on the rate, and give you more control over stuff like your join form and scrubs... Keep in mind though you have to do your own affiliate payouts, and do your own member/billing support (or use a support service). Netbilling will handle this for you as well, but depending on what level you're at volume wise, the savings may not be that high. If you're paying 12% with ccbill now, and get a merchant account at 6%, by the time you factor in the additional netbilling percentage and the support costs, you may only be saving 1-2%, while having to deal with running your own payouts.

I still think a merchant account is the best way to go, but it's not for everyone

If you are paying 12% with a third party processor, typically you are processing a good amount and have a long history with them from what I have seen. Also, if you are paying 6% for the merchant account, that is a bit high if you are fairly high volume. With our pricing including a merchant account that we can help you obtain through us or many of our partners, including customer service and everything else, you should be around 7%, depending on your average ticket. So based on those numbers, if you are processing $100k per month, you would save, about $5000 per month.

That is a nice house payment!

Questions?

Mitch

The Porn Nerd · 06-14-2011, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NETbilling

If you are paying 12% with a third party processor, typically you are processing a good amount and have a long history with them from what I have seen. Also, if you are paying 6% for the merchant account, that is a bit high if you are fairly high volume. With our pricing including a merchant account that we can help you obtain through us or many of our partners, including customer service and everything else, you should be around 7%, depending on your average ticket. So based on those numbers, if you are processing $100k per month, you would save, about $5000 per month.

That is a nice house payment!

Questions?

Mitch

Hmmm....well, I'm not quite at those numbers yet but to factor in the additional joins by more control over the scrub (which I also realize would increase chargebacks) I would think the savings would be higher. But if your numbers hold that's 60k a year.

NETbilling · 06-14-2011, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Hmmm....well, I'm not quite at those numbers yet but to factor in the additional joins by more control over the scrub (which I also realize would increase chargebacks) I would think the savings would be higher. But if your numbers hold that's 60k a year.

You will be very happy, especially if you are someone that like to be in control.

fuzebox · 06-15-2011, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NETbilling

If you are paying 12% with a third party processor, typically you are processing a good amount and have a long history with them from what I have seen. Also, if you are paying 6% for the merchant account, that is a bit high if you are fairly high volume. With our pricing including a merchant account that we can help you obtain through us or many of our partners, including customer service and everything else, you should be around 7%, depending on your average ticket. So based on those numbers, if you are processing $100k per month, you would save, about $5000 per month.

That is a nice house payment!

Questions?

Mitch

Hey, like I said I like the merchant account route the best (and Netbilling is obviously the best gateway for adult), but it's not necessarily for everyone... I know people doing $10k/mo paying 10% on third party... I also know people who did not end up saving much money once they switched from third party to a merchant account, and instead created themselves a lot of extra work. It's up to the merchant to crunch the numbers and see if switching their processing is worth their time

SwirlsGirl · 06-15-2011, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by stever

the only way to do this is via a merchant account (control scrub and how little or how much info the customer needs to have in order to pass the sale)

i have used both IPSPs and merchant accounts and found they are more or less the same thing in terms of throughput

what you should do is have several options so you give surfers an easy way to signup to the other option in case option 1 fails, and something like NATS will allow you to manage this easier

I personally had a little more success temporarily using a merchant account vs. 3rd party ipsp and the merchant account out performed 3rd party 5 to 1 during a weekend experiment,,,,so the secret is out... 3rd party is a barrier to maximum profit!

Oh and as a side note june 14 th ccbill form submissions big fat 0% while other backup processors did multiple sales...this is becoming rinse and repeat

C H R I S · 06-15-2011, 06:12 AM

Netbiiling is the bomb, but I heard the owner likes trannys.

NemesisEnforcer · 06-15-2011, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Getting your own merchant account will save you some points on the rate, and give you more control over stuff like your join form and scrubs... Keep in mind though you have to do your own affiliate payouts, and do your own member/billing support (or use a support service). Netbilling will handle this for you as well, but depending on what level you're at volume wise, the savings may not be that high. If you're paying 12% with ccbill now, and get a merchant account at 6%, by the time you factor in the additional netbilling percentage and the support costs, you may only be saving 1-2%, while having to deal with running your own payouts.

I still think a merchant account is the best way to go, but it's not for everyone

I agree, your own merchant account is the best way to go, you own your processing data. With third party processors, you don't own the data.

After going through third party processor failures such as iBill, it's best to have your own merchant account. You can't beat the peace of mind.

NETbilling · 06-15-2011, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by C H R I S 3.0

Netbiiling is the bomb, but I heard the owner likes trannys.

Thanks - he/she was your brother.

The Porn Nerd · 06-15-2011, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Hey, like I said I like the merchant account route the best (and Netbilling is obviously the best gateway for adult), but it's not necessarily for everyone... I know people doing $10k/mo paying 10% on third party... I also know people who did not end up saving much money once they switched from third party to a merchant account, and instead created themselves a lot of extra work. It's up to the merchant to crunch the numbers and see if switching their processing is worth their time

I'm crunching numbers now to see if switching to a merch account is best for me at this stage. I think I'm bumping up against the bare minimum one would need to make this profitable but I'm getting there quickly so a switch may be made this year sometime. We shall see. Excellent point about the extra work, which is a major factor for me.

NETbilling · 06-15-2011, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

I'm crunching numbers now to see if switching to a merch account is best for me at this stage. I think I'm bumping up against the bare minimum one would need to make this profitable but I'm getting there quickly so a switch may be made this year sometime. We shall see. Excellent point about the extra work, which is a major factor for me.

The flexibility alone and having control over your own business should be enough, even if you were not saving much $$, which is certainly not going to be the case.

We look forward to serving you. Have you seen a demo of our system and all that we offer?

Mitch

NETbilling · 08-26-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

I'm crunching numbers now to see if switching to a merch account is best for me at this stage. I think I'm bumping up against the bare minimum one would need to make this profitable but I'm getting there quickly so a switch may be made this year sometime. We shall see. Excellent point about the extra work, which is a major factor for me.

Hi,

Did you get setup with us yet? If you are attending the EU shows, would you like to setup a meeting there? NETbilling will be there in full force.

Mitch

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alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	Sounds like you want nats or mpa with a cascade of processors starting with netbilling or ccbill and moving on down the line. Epoch, zombaio, segpay or whoever you want to use in your cascade would follow your primary. People also rotate the primary too. As you may know ccb will let you cascade but afaik retains primary when using their affiliate program. __________________ https://porncorporation.com

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The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,577	GET the fuck out - or, GTFO! Man, I just learned what LMAO means the other day (how appropriate). But, in my defense, acronyms are capitalized. Oh forget it, I have no defense. LOL (Laugh Out Loud) But if you're saying then (as far as you know) CCBill must remain primary if using their ap is wrong, you can switch the cascade and the affs still get paid even when Epoch or whoever is primary. __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Now on Teams: peabodymedia

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sadiedazzle Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 972	I love netbilling. We run netbilling and ccbill. We use only ccbill for our affiliate program. Netbilling's admin panel is so much better than ccbill's. You can control how heavily you want to scrub, it's easier and faster to look stuff up. Generally you have way more control with netbilling and you get your money every single day.

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fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,085	Getting your own merchant account will save you some points on the rate, and give you more control over stuff like your join form and scrubs... Keep in mind though you have to do your own affiliate payouts, and do your own member/billing support (or use a support service). Netbilling will handle this for you as well, but depending on what level you're at volume wise, the savings may not be that high. If you're paying 12% with ccbill now, and get a merchant account at 6%, by the time you factor in the additional netbilling percentage and the support costs, you may only be saving 1-2%, while having to deal with running your own payouts. I still think a merchant account is the best way to go, but it's not for everyone

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