Trump signs EO to roll our face scans at airports - GoFuckYourself.com

crockett · 03-12-2019, 02:24 AM

Imagine all the outrage from the "govt too invasive crowd" if Obama has done this...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ailed-plan-for

In March 2017, President Trump issued an executive order expediting the deployment of biometric verification of the identities of all travelers crossing US borders. That mandate stipulates facial recognition identification for “100 percent of all international passengers,” including American citizens, in the top 20 US airports by 2021. Now, the United States Department of Homeland Security is rushing to get those systems up and running at airports across the country. But it's doing so in the absence of proper vetting, regulatory safeguards, and what some privacy advocates argue is in defiance of the law.

Mr Pheer · 03-12-2019, 02:45 AM

Your face is on your passport, big deal.

You'd be amazed how many casinos in Vegas use this to spot cheaters that they have banned, and how accurate it is. And they don't tell you they are using it.

Acepimp · 03-12-2019, 03:11 AM

Crockett is so obsessed with trying to make Trump look bad that he is now against safety measures for international travelers. Clearly OP is "mentally challenged." He still rides the short bus to his Hillary voter support group. It's really just a safe space with finger paint and free hugs.

Mr Pheer · 03-12-2019, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Imagine all the outrage from the "govt too invasive crowd" if Obama has done this...

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According to 346 pages of documents obtained by the nonprofit research organization Electronic Privacy Information Center — shared exclusively with BuzzFeed News and made public on Monday as part of Sunshine Week — US Customs and Border Protection is scrambling to implement this “biometric entry-exit system,” with the goal of using facial recognition technology on travelers aboard 16,300 flights per week — or more than 100 million passengers traveling on international flights out of the United States — in as little as two years, to meet Trump's accelerated timeline for a biometric system that had initially been signed into law by the Obama administration. This, despite questionable biometric confirmation rates and few, if any, legal guardrails.

Oh the fucking outrage

Acepimp · 03-12-2019, 03:19 AM

Oh, so it was actually Obama! HAHA HAHA Why didn't OP mention that part??

Crockett, it's time to tell your handlers that you are a failure.

Mr Pheer · 03-12-2019, 03:25 AM

Crockett will be back with some lame excuse or deflection... or he simply wont post in here again, like he usually does when this happens.

crockett · 03-12-2019, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Your face is on your passport, big deal.

You'd be amazed how many casinos in Vegas use this to spot cheaters that they have banned, and how accurate it is. And they don't tell you they are using it.

They can do a 3d scan from your passport. They will now be saving every person's face scan along with their I'd info tagged to that face scan.

The govt can then track you anywhere they decide to put facial scanners. This is a huge invasion of your privacy..

crockett · 03-12-2019, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Crockett will be back with some lame excuse or deflection... or he simply wont post in here again, like he usually does when this happens.

Your just a idot who will make excuses for everything... but Obama Obama...

Ummm hey dipshit Trump is POTUS now .

pimpmaster9000 · 03-12-2019, 04:37 AM

USA 2050: all passengers must show their asshole to a TSA agent

BaldBastard · 03-12-2019, 05:29 AM

Australia and New Zealand already have this, makes clearing customs quicker as long as you don't have a technophobe in front of you.

I'm surprised there hasn't been more of an uproar in the USA about it, sure it makes flying easier, but you want to pay particular attention as to how they will secure this info, are you able to remove it? and what other Government departments have access to it & how are they able to use it.... and that's the biggy.

The Truth Hurts · 03-12-2019, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Imagine all the outrage from the "govt too invasive crowd" if Obama has done this...

oopsie....

Bladewire · 03-12-2019, 06:47 AM

Trump to this by executive order by passing Congress and debate by the will of the people.
Trump literally took privacy away by signing executive order.

Just like Bush, Republicans give no rat's ass about the government intrusion as long as it's Republican government intrusion. they don't give two shits about privacy as long as it's a Republican government taking away your privacy. When a Democrat is in office then it's going to be a big deal.

Snapchat had been doing this for years, of course it's not attached to an ID just your phone number and/or email, which is your unofficial ID online. It's basically the same technology they use for the face filters.

Acepimp · 03-12-2019, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Imagine all the outrage from the "govt too invasive crowd" if Obama has done this...

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a biometric system that had initially been signed into law by the Obama administration.

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Originally Posted by crockett

Your just a idot who will make excuses for everything... but Obama Obama...

Ummm hey dipshit Trump is POTUS now .

^^ "Nevermind that OBAMA signed it into law, you racist bigot!!!"

Crockett- no one is interested in your fake outrage and blind hatred of the president. Now run back to your safespace. Your crayons and coloring books are waiting..

BaldBastard · 03-12-2019, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp

Oh, so it was actually Obama! HAHA HAHA Why didn't OP mention that part??

Crockett, it's time to tell your handlers that you are a failure.

The very slight difference is: It wasn't implemented under Obama just a "Concept of Operations system " as they know its flawed, Trump issued an executive order dictator style for them to roll it out regardless.

https://epic.org/foia/gallery/2019/#...ric-entry-exit

https://epic.org/foia/dhs/cbp/biomet...Operations.pdf

its all there

Bladewire · 03-12-2019, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

The very slight difference is: It wasn't implemented under Obama as they know its flawed, Trump issued an executive order dictator style for them to roll it out regardless.

https://epic.org/foia/gallery/2019/#...ric-entry-exit

its all there

Trump signed an executive order to bypass congress and due process.

With the swipe of a pen Trump created this gross invasion of privacy.

Trump made this happen and Trump supporters don't care. Trump supporters accept anything Trump does no matter what. Trumpet strangle a white baby to death on 5th avenue and he wouldn't lose one vote.

directfiesta · 03-12-2019, 07:22 AM

In 2014, President Donald Trump railed against then President Barack Obama over his use of executive power on immigration. Fast forward five years and Trump is expected to do the same thing.

"Repubs must not allow Pres Obama to subvert the Constitution of the US for his own benefit & because he is unable to negotiate w/ Congress," Trump said in a tweet on Nov. 20, 2014.

TheSquealer · 03-12-2019, 07:26 AM

So.... now the unhinged Left is attempting to argue that Conservatives are against border security and safety?

... uhm...... ok.

Acepimp · 03-12-2019, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

In 2014, President Donald Trump railed against then President Barack Obama over his use of executive power on immigration. Fast forward five years and Trump is expected to do the same thing.

"Repubs must not allow Pres Obama to subvert the Constitution of the US for his own benefit & because he is unable to negotiate w/ Congress," Trump said in a tweet on Nov. 20, 2014.

What is this in reference to? DACA? That was just a memo. It wasn't anything official. Trump tried to give amnesty and citizenship to the DACA dreamers. The Democrats REFUSED. Try again.

Bladewire · 03-12-2019, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

The very slight difference is: It wasn't implemented under Obama just a "Concept of Operations system " as they know its flawed, Trump issued an executive order dictator style for them to roll it out regardless.

https://epic.org/foia/gallery/2019/#...ric-entry-exit

https://epic.org/foia/dhs/cbp/biomet...Operations.pdf

its all there

This is why congress stalled this, it's flawed tech not ready for roll out AND the public hasn't given their input yet.

Everyone's first security but nobody wants flied tech and no public input.

crockett · 03-12-2019, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Crockett will be back with some lame excuse or deflection... or he simply wont post in here again, like he usually does when this happens.

No you're a fucking idiot. Trump is trying to bypass Congress and the courts by try to force it into action much faster than it was stated to happen.

It's funny how you right wing fuck wits scream the govt take my guns, the govt take my freedom, the govt take my land..

Then when it's Trump doing it you lash out at everyone, deflect & defend because it's your Jesus messiah taking your rights away so that's all ok....

Ask yourself dumb fuck.. if this was going to already go into effect, then why did Trump need to sign a EO? Are you fucking stupid?

Lets just check out the Right wing talking points when Obama was president..

1)The government gonna take ma guns.. Check Trump banned bumpstocks and made it easier to now ban semi autos.

2) The government gonna steal ranchers land to use for conservation or parks.. Check, Trump is right now using immanent domain to steal ranchers land for his wall..

3) The government is too invasive it shouldn't be telling me what to do.. Check, Trump attempts to pass a whole lot of various laws by EO trying to force athorian shit on people, now adds EO to record your bio-metrics and save it in a massive database..

imagine if Obama did all those things..

aimike · 03-12-2019, 01:07 PM

I traveled abroad in 2018.. nobody scanned my face.. but if they did.. they'd print it out and post it on their wall because im so fucking handsome.

crockett · 03-12-2019, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by aimike

I traveled abroad in 2018.. nobody scanned my face.. but if they did.. they'd print it out and post it on their wall because im so fucking handsome.

Oh so it must all be fake news...

crockett · 03-12-2019, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

In 2014, President Donald Trump railed against then President Barack Obama over his use of executive power on immigration. Fast forward five years and Trump is expected to do the same thing.

"Repubs must not allow Pres Obama to subvert the Constitution of the US for his own benefit & because he is unable to negotiate w/ Congress," Trump said in a tweet on Nov. 20, 2014.

But it's different now because he's not black!!!

crockett · 03-12-2019, 01:27 PM

Barack Obama 276 executive orders in 8 years

Donald Trump 196 executive orders in 2 years

It's so different thou because he's not a black democrat!!!!

crockett · 03-12-2019, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

The very slight difference is: It wasn't implemented under Obama just a "Concept of Operations system " as they know its flawed, Trump issued an executive order dictator style for them to roll it out regardless.

https://epic.org/foia/gallery/2019/#...ric-entry-exit

https://epic.org/foia/dhs/cbp/biomet...Operations.pdf

its all there

At least you were smart enough to walk back and educate yourself on what Obama signed vs what Trump just did. The other numb nuts are beyond self education..

Rochard · 03-12-2019, 01:34 PM

Big brother is here!

2MuchMark · 03-12-2019, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Your face is on your passport, big deal..

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Originally Posted by Acepimp

Crockett is so obsessed with trying to make Trump look bad that he is now against safety measures for international travelers.

To be fair, this technology has been in development for a long time, before Trump became President.The bigger problem here though is that everyone is slowly but surely giving up their right to privacy for the promise of security.

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Big brother is here!

Big Brother IS here.... and it is us.

crockett · 03-12-2019, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

To be fair, this technology has been in development for a long time, before Trump became President.The bigger problem here though is that everyone is slowly but surely giving up their right to privacy for the promise of security.

Big Brother IS here.... and it is us.

I've always been a firm believer in this quote..

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

One of my biggest complaints about Obama is he didnt undo all the spying the NSA was doing. He didnt put a stop to the last Republican led privacy power grab and now here we are with another Republican president making another power grab at our privacy.

They are also giving states money to put up cameras and license plate readers on all of the interstates.

In the last year they have added cameras up and down i75, i95 and i10 here in FL.

crockett · 03-12-2019, 02:07 PM

McQeer will now hide from this topic knowing he was too stupid to understand the difference in what Obama signed vs what Trump signed...

Mr Pheer · 03-12-2019, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

No you're a fucking idiot. Trump is trying to bypass Congress and the courts by try to force it into action much faster than it was stated to happen.

It's funny how you right wing fuck wits scream the govt take my guns, the govt take my freedom, the govt take my land..

Then when it's Trump doing it you lash out at everyone, deflect & defend because it's your Jesus messiah taking your rights away so that's all ok....

Ask yourself dumb fuck.. if this was going to already go into effect, then why did Trump need to sign a EO? Are you fucking stupid?

Lets just check out the Right wing talking points when Obama was president..

1)The government gonna take ma guns.. Check Trump banned bumpstocks and made it easier to now ban semi autos.

2) The government gonna steal ranchers land to use for conservation or parks.. Check, Trump is right now using immanent domain to steal ranchers land for his wall..

3) The government is too invasive it shouldn't be telling me what to do.. Check, Trump attempts to pass a whole lot of various laws by EO trying to force athorian shit on people, now adds EO to record your bio-metrics and save it in a massive database..

imagine if Obama did all those things..

^^^ I was right again!

Acepimp · 03-12-2019, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

The bigger problem here though is that everyone is slowly but surely giving up their right to privacy for the promise of security.

You already need a valid photo ID to get on a plane. This is not an invasion of privacy. It's not like they have face scanners on every street corner tracking your every move. Gimme a break.

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Originally Posted by crockett

Oh so it must all be fake news...

HEY CROCKETT:

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(Of note, seventeen international airports already use facial recognition, including "Atlanta, New York City, Boston, San Jose, Chicago, and two airports in Houston").

^^ Why didn't you mention that Obama already had the scanners in many airports??

DHS Facial Recognition Scanners To Be Deployed At Top 20 Airports By 2021

Crockette, because Mark convinced me to be nicer, I won't call you a dumbass hate-filled imbecile.

King Mark · 03-12-2019, 04:01 PM

I don't see a problem. Your face is not a privacy issue once you leave your house (in America).

2MuchMark · 03-12-2019, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp

You already need a valid photo ID to get on a plane. This is not an invasion of privacy. It's not like they have face scanners on every street corner tracking your every move. Gimme a break.

The Photo ID isn't exactly the issue. The passport information is owned by the government. When your face is scanned at the airport, who owns that data then? What happens with it after they are done?

Don't get me wrong - I'm not exactly against the idea. Identifying bad guys and stopping them from blowing up a plane I am on gives me a warm fuzzy.

I think I am just commenting on much things have changed since 9/11. Your mobile phone carrier, Google and facebook know where you are. Advertisers know what you are likely to buy. My own home security system even has facial recognition.

It's just ... weird.

bronco67 · 03-12-2019, 07:42 PM

Nobody will be able to fool a face scanner

First he comes up with the brilliant "Space Force" idea...now this.

Mr Pheer · 03-12-2019, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

Nobody will be able to fool a face scanner

First he comes up with the brilliant "Space Force" idea...now this.

Trump didn't come up with this. Jesus can't you read?

Bladewire · 03-12-2019, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Trump didn't come up with this. Jesus can't you read?

"Trump signs EO to roll out face scans at airports"

Congress blocked this and Trump signed an executive order to bypass them today and roll this out.

Trump is putting this out there against the will of the people via Congress.

This is 100% Trump's fault

crockett · 03-12-2019, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dead Eye

I don't see a problem. Your face is not a privacy issue once you leave your house (in America).

It's not just your face. They are databasing everything. Your travels will not be in a data file attached to your name. They are tracking license plates as well and storing all the data.

You have the right to your privacy and not to be tracked by your govt.

Mr Pheer · 03-12-2019, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

"Trump signs EO to roll out face scans at airports"

Congress blocked this and Trump signed an executive order to bypass them today and roll this out.

Trump is putting this out there against the will of the people via Congress.

This is 100% Trump's fault

^^ he can't read either

Mr Pheer · 03-12-2019, 09:56 PM

A facial recognition scanner for international travelers is the least of your worries if you're getting all ruffled up about how the government stores information and tracks you

You should be much more worried about that phone in your pocket.

BaldBastard · 03-12-2019, 10:32 PM

The major issue to consider is what other Government agency's get access to the information, its certainly not something you want rammed up your ass via executive order.

If there's a bad man headed to the airport, why wait till the airport to get him? Let's implement bio scanning in traffic cameras and get them before they even reach the airport! then feed that info to local cops so they can arrest.

Seems smart, until you get pulled up because someone sitting in your back seat, had outstanding traffic fines from 1997 and the facial recognition finally got them.

or you go to a football game and find yourself arrested and removed over those late child payments you haven't made.

As for phones..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110700006.html

I told you guys many times the way they get around this in the USA now is by collecting the data here in Aus, if information is going via satellite, its logged and recorded at PineGap.

Hence why those that had accesses to the info... have been the most concerned about the Trump administration. However bringing it into a civil court is the difficult bit..

03-12-2019, 02:24 AM	#1
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 74,423	Trump signs EO to roll our face scans at airports Imagine all the outrage from the "govt too invasive crowd" if Obama has done this... https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ailed-plan-for In March 2017, President Trump issued an executive order expediting the deployment of biometric verification of the identities of all travelers crossing US borders. That mandate stipulates facial recognition identification for “100 percent of all international passengers,” including American citizens, in the top 20 US airports by 2021. Now, the United States Department of Homeland Security is rushing to get those systems up and running at airports across the country. But it's doing so in the absence of proper vetting, regulatory safeguards, and what some privacy advocates argue is in defiance of the law. __________________ "If Israelis don't want to be accused of being like the Nazis, they simply need to stop behaving like Nazis." - Norman Finkelstein

03-12-2019, 03:11 AM	#3
Acepimp All Facts Matter Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: East Coast Posts: 16,559	Crockett is so obsessed with trying to make Trump look bad that he is now against safety measures for international travelers. Clearly OP is "mentally challenged." He still rides the short bus to his Hillary voter support group. It's really just a safe space with finger paint and free hugs. __________________ Earn Recurring Money with ➜ Live Adult Webcams \| CrakRevenue \| Dream Cash Like Hot Sluts? >> DaniDanielsPorn.com Just Surfing? Chat with Streamate Camgirls

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Acepimp All Facts Matter Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: East Coast Posts: 16,559	Oh, so it was actually Obama! HAHA HAHA Why didn't OP mention that part?? Crockett, it's time to tell your handlers that you are a failure. __________________ Earn Recurring Money with ➜ Live Adult Webcams \| CrakRevenue \| Dream Cash Like Hot Sluts? >> DaniDanielsPorn.com Just Surfing? Chat with Streamate Camgirls

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TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 22,702	So.... now the unhinged Left is attempting to argue that Conservatives are against border security and safety? ... uhm...... ok. __________________ If you don't like that Elon Musk bought twitter,... just build your own and stop crying about it.

03-12-2019, 02:45 AM	#2
Mr Pheer Mark Osterholt Sucks Cock Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In your AirBNB Posts: 18,146	Your face is on your passport, big deal. You'd be amazed how many casinos in Vegas use this to spot cheaters that they have banned, and how accurate it is. And they don't tell you they are using it.

03-12-2019, 03:25 AM	#6
Mr Pheer Mark Osterholt Sucks Cock Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In your AirBNB Posts: 18,146	Crockett will be back with some lame excuse or deflection... or he simply wont post in here again, like he usually does when this happens.

03-12-2019, 05:29 AM	#10
BaldBastard Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 14,496	Australia and New Zealand already have this, makes clearing customs quicker as long as you don't have a technophobe in front of you. I'm surprised there hasn't been more of an uproar in the USA about it, sure it makes flying easier, but you want to pay particular attention as to how they will secure this info, are you able to remove it? and what other Government departments have access to it & how are they able to use it.... and that's the biggy.

03-12-2019, 06:47 AM	#12
Bladewire StraightBro Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Monarch Beach, CA USA Posts: 56,232	Trump to this by executive order by passing Congress and debate by the will of the people. Trump literally took privacy away by signing executive order. Just like Bush, Republicans give no rat's ass about the government intrusion as long as it's Republican government intrusion. they don't give two shits about privacy as long as it's a Republican government taking away your privacy. When a Democrat is in office then it's going to be a big deal. Snapchat had been doing this for years, of course it's not attached to an ID just your phone number and/or email, which is your unofficial ID online. It's basically the same technology they use for the face filters.

03-12-2019, 07:22 AM	#16
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Back to Montréal, ALIVE ! Posts: 29,012	In 2014, President Donald Trump railed against then President Barack Obama over his use of executive power on immigration. Fast forward five years and Trump is expected to do the same thing. "Repubs must not allow Pres Obama to subvert the Constitution of the US for his own benefit & because he is unable to negotiate w/ Congress," Trump said in a tweet on Nov. 20, 2014.

03-12-2019, 01:07 PM	#21
aimike Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 558	I traveled abroad in 2018.. nobody scanned my face.. but if they did.. they'd print it out and post it on their wall because im so fucking handsome.

03-12-2019, 01:27 PM	#24
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 74,423	Barack Obama 276 executive orders in 8 years Donald Trump 196 executive orders in 2 years It's so different thou because he's not a black democrat!!!! __________________ "If Israelis don't want to be accused of being like the Nazis, they simply need to stop behaving like Nazis." - Norman Finkelstein

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crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 74,423	McQeer will now hide from this topic knowing he was too stupid to understand the difference in what Obama signed vs what Trump signed... __________________ "If Israelis don't want to be accused of being like the Nazis, they simply need to stop behaving like Nazis." - Norman Finkelstein

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King Mark Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 24,297	I don't see a problem. Your face is not a privacy issue once you leave your house (in America).

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bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,035	Nobody will be able to fool a face scanner First he comes up with the brilliant "Space Force" idea...now this. __________________

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Mr Pheer Mark Osterholt Sucks Cock Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In your AirBNB Posts: 18,146	A facial recognition scanner for international travelers is the least of your worries if you're getting all ruffled up about how the government stores information and tracks you You should be much more worried about that phone in your pocket.

03-12-2019, 10:32 PM	#40
BaldBastard Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 14,496	The major issue to consider is what other Government agency's get access to the information, its certainly not something you want rammed up your ass via executive order. If there's a bad man headed to the airport, why wait till the airport to get him? Let's implement bio scanning in traffic cameras and get them before they even reach the airport! then feed that info to local cops so they can arrest. Seems smart, until you get pulled up because someone sitting in your back seat, had outstanding traffic fines from 1997 and the facial recognition finally got them. or you go to a football game and find yourself arrested and removed over those late child payments you haven't made. As for phones.. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110700006.html I told you guys many times the way they get around this in the USA now is by collecting the data here in Aus, if information is going via satellite, its logged and recorded at PineGap. Hence why those that had accesses to the info... have been the most concerned about the Trump administration. However bringing it into a civil court is the difficult bit..