Why is American Healthcare so DAMN EXPENSIVE? The answer just might WIG you OUT

[mce]

[pimpmaster9000]

[Rochard]

I am not going to watch this but I can tell you why....

My wife works for a foot doctor. The foot doctor - a specialist with a decade of schooling - gets $25 for an office visit. The insurance company gets $125. It used to be doctors made the money. Now the healthcare companies do.

This is going to become a bigger problem when doctors barely break even. What's the point of spending hundreds of thousands in education and a decade in school only to break even every month? Eventually no one will want to be a doctor.

[mce]

What about FREE MARKET SOLUTIONS?

You know... hospitals competing with each other and driving prices downward?

Is this even possible?

Or is consolidation and MONOPOLY (greased by corrupt lobby money) the only way to go?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Eventually no one will want to be a doctor.

AI will take their place and a nurse will take all your vitals and photos of any symptoms to upload to the databrain.

[kane]

Originally Posted by mce

What about FREE MARKET SOLUTIONS?

You know... hospitals competing with each other and driving prices downward?

Is this even possible?

Or is consolidation and MONOPOLY (greased by corrupt lobby money) the only way to go?

It is interesting that you bring this up because I see this happening where I live. There is a healthcare group here called Legacy. They run hospitals, clinics, doctor's offices, specialist's offices, labs etc. They basically do it all. Over the last handful of years, they have started buying up the small independently owned businesses. Doctors are selling to them then staying on and joining their staff. They have grown massively over the last few years. Another group in town, Adventist, are now doing the same. I won't be shocked if 10 years from now almost every healthcare provider in this city if not state is owned by one of those two companies.

[Bladewire]

Another anti American thread by "MCE"

Tell us about the shit in your country MCE!

The Russian propoganda nic switches from Wehateporn to MCE now.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Another anti American thread by "MCE"

Tell us about the shit in your country MCE!

The Russian propoganda nic switches from Wehateporn to MCE now.

Mce is a buzzfeed post bot. Get em' blade.

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I am not going to watch this but I can tell you why....

My wife works for a foot doctor. The foot doctor - a specialist with a decade of schooling - gets $25 for an office visit. The insurance company gets $125. It used to be doctors made the money. Now the healthcare companies do.

This is going to become a bigger problem when doctors barely break even. What's the point of spending hundreds of thousands in education and a decade in school only to break even every month? Eventually no one will want to be a doctor.

Don't worry, we need less doctors soon. We will have the tricoder from Final Frontier Enterprises.
They predict this is just the start. Looks like computers can detect some diseases better than doctors.

[Paul Markham]

American Healthcare is expensive because Americans allow it to be. All they have to do is vote out every asshole on big pharma's money list and stop it.

But they're scared to and when the people are scared of their politicians. The politicians can do what they like.

[mce]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Another anti American thread by "MCE"

Tell us about the shit in your country MCE!

The Russian propoganda nic switches from Wehateporn to MCE now.

Hilarious

[kane]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

American Healthcare is expensive because Americans allow it to be. All they have to do is vote out every asshole on big pharma's money list and stop it.

But they're scared to and when the people are scared of their politicians. The politicians can do what they like.

It's not that people are scared of their politicians it is that in many cases you don't have any real choices and in the cases when you do have choices, all of them are career politicians.

You like to say things like this as if it were as simple as checking a box on a ballot, but that simply isn't the case. I can only vote for who is on the ballot and in many cases there are no good options.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by mce

Hilarious

Putin loves your antiAmerican threads

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by kane

It's not that people are scared of their politicians it is that in many cases you don't have any real choices and in the cases when you do have choices, all of them are career politicians.

You like to say things like this as if it were as simple as checking a box on a ballot, but that simply isn't the case. I can only vote for who is on the ballot and in many cases there are no good options.

Paul doesn't live in America and unfortunatrly relies on his local propoganda in Czech Republic for his views on America.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

AI will take their place and a nurse will take all your vitals and photos of any symptoms to upload to the databrain.

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

Don't worry, we need less doctors soon. We will have the tricoder from Final Frontier Enterprises.
They predict this is just the start. Looks like computers can detect some diseases better than doctors.

I wonder if this is really true. Some of the US population is really, really dumb... A doctor will tell them to do one thing and they will do the direct opposite.

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I wonder if this is really true. Some of the US population is really, really dumb... A doctor will tell them to do one thing and they will do the direct opposite.

Give it another 5 - 10 years.

https://qz.com/957285/star-treks-tri...ing-a-reality/

An inducement prize from Qualcomm of US$10,000,000, the Qualcomm Tricorder X Prize that was announced in 2012, has spurred the scientific and medical communities in a global competition.[9] featuring 230 teams from 30 countries[3] to create such a device.[1] The X Prize Foundation launched the Tricorder X PRIZE at the 2012 Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas and promised to award $10 million to the first team to build a medical tricorder.[10] According to the prize guidelines, the device should diagnose 15 different medical conditions, including a sore throat to sleep apnea to colon cancer.[8] The prize will be awarded partially on the basis of which invention has the most consumer friendly interface.[8] To win the prize, a successful medical tricorder will have to diagnose these conditions across "30 people in 3 days".[8]

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by kane

It's not that people are scared of their politicians it is that in many cases you don't have any real choices and in the cases when you do have choices, all of them are career politicians.

You like to say things like this as if it were as simple as checking a box on a ballot, but that simply isn't the case. I can only vote for who is on the ballot and in many cases there are no good options.

There are no good options?

Maybe if you voted for the one that doesn't fit into the Dems or Reps candidates you might get some.

I don't know your State so picked one I do know, California. Here's a list of the candidates standing for the Senate in the 2016 election. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...6# Candidates Correct me if I'm wrong.

Two parties both of the same ilk dominate American elections. Because you don't bother to vote for anyone else. UK has 5, it allowed the UKIP threat to get the people the vote on Europe, now the DUP have the swaying votes in Parliament, Labour and Tories are both very different parties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ies_in_Germany

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li...ties_in_France

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...he_Netherlands

It's because we vote for the outsider, the outsiders stand for elections and sometimes win. You have start voting for the outsiders to get more to stand. The problem is too many Americans only see two candidates so don't vote for either of them.

What's your State, so we can see how many stood for election for local, and national elections. I doubt if the ballot paper only had two names.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Paul doesn't live in America and unfortunatrly relies on his local propoganda in Czech Republic for his views on America.

So in every election there are only two names on the ballot paper.

The problem is people like you only see two names. The ones they vote for and the other guy they would never vote for. All the rest are dismissed, when voting for them is a better protest vote than not voting.

Point out where I'm wrong.

And that will point out where I know more about this than you do.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

There are no good options?

Maybe if you voted for the one that doesn't fit into the Dems or Reps candidates you might get some.

I don't know your State so picked one I do know, California. Here's a list of the candidates standing for the Senate in the 2016 election. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...6# Candidates Correct me if I'm wrong.

Two parties both of the same ilk dominate American elections. Because you don't bother to vote for anyone else. UK has 5, it allowed the UKIP threat to get the people the vote on Europe, now the DUP have the swaying votes in Parliament, Labour and Tories are both very different parties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ies_in_Germany

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li...ties_in_France

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...he_Netherlands

It's because we vote for the outsider, the outsiders stand for elections and sometimes win. You have start voting for the outsiders to get more to stand. The problem is too many Americans only see two candidates so don't vote for either of them.

What's your State, so we can see how many stood for election for local, and national elections. I doubt if the ballot paper only had two names.

Do a little more reading on that California election. First, there were a ton of declared candidates for the primary, but when it came to election day there were only two options on the ballot and they were both Democrats. Check out this

https://ballotpedia.org/United_State...lifornia,_2016

It shows you who the primary candidates were and then who the final general election candidates were. California also has semi-closed primary elections. In that state different parties choose if they want people registered as independents to be able to vote in their primary. The Democrats allow it, but the Republicans don't. So, if I lived in that state, the only people I could have voted for during the primaries were the Democrats. So, basically, if you are a registered independent in that state you have very little say in who the final candidates on the ballot are and then, in this case, both candidates were Democrats and both were career politicians.

Also, you are correct about people only seeing two names even if there are more on the ballot. At least 25% of the country will vote Democrat no matter who the candidate is and another 25% will vote Republican no matter what. Getting those people to vote for anyone but their party is going to be near impossible.

I hear what you are saying, but the way the system has been built up over the last several decades it will be near impossible to change it without someone or some group making a big splash. It would take someone, say like Mark Cuban or any other billionaire, to run, fund their own campaign and create a new party or not affiliate with any party. If he wins (or even does decenly well) that momentum can be used to win elections at the state and local level. Ross Perot almost did it with his Reform Party, but then he showed himself to be a crazy person and the party was taken over by crazy people.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

There are no good options?

Maybe if you voted for the one that doesn't fit into the Dems or Reps candidates you might get some.

I don't know your State so picked one I do know, California. Here's a list of the candidates standing for the Senate in the 2016 election. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...6# Candidates Correct me if I'm wrong.

Two parties both of the same ilk dominate American elections. Because you don't bother to vote for anyone else. UK has 5, it allowed the UKIP threat to get the people the vote on Europe, now the DUP have the swaying votes in Parliament, Labour and Tories are both very different parties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ies_in_Germany

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li...ties_in_France

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...he_Netherlands

It's because we vote for the outsider, the outsiders stand for elections and sometimes win. You have start voting for the outsiders to get more to stand. The problem is too many Americans only see two candidates so don't vote for either of them.

What's your State, so we can see how many stood for election for local, and national elections. I doubt if the ballot paper only had two names.

I forgot.

Here is the ballot for my State Representative in the last election

https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon%27s_5...ection,_20 16

There were 3 people on the ballot. Incumbent Democrat, lifetime Republican politician and a Green Party candidate who has made a career out of running for various offices in the state. Sometimes he wins, sometimes he loses but he has run for this seat, Secretary of State and some others. In reality, his positions are very far to the left and when you hear him talk or read his positions he is basically a Democrat that is even further to the left than normal.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by kane

Do a little more reading on that California election. First, there were a ton of declared candidates for the primary, but when it came to election day there were only two options on the ballot and they were both Democrats. Check out this

https://ballotpedia.org/United_State...lifornia,_2016

It shows you who the primary candidates were and then who the final general election candidates were. California also has semi-closed primary elections. In that state different parties choose if they want people registered as independents to be able to vote in their primary. The Democrats allow it, but the Republicans don't. So, if I lived in that state, the only people I could have voted for during the primaries were the Democrats. So, basically, if you are a registered independent in that state you have very little say in who the final candidates on the ballot are and then, in this case, both candidates were Democrats and both were career politicians.

Also, you are correct about people only seeing two names even if there are more on the ballot. At least 25% of the country will vote Democrat no matter who the candidate is and another 25% will vote Republican no matter what. Getting those people to vote for anyone but their party is going to be near impossible.

I hear what you are saying, but the way the system has been built up over the last several decades it will be near impossible to change it without someone or some group making a big splash. It would take someone, say like Mark Cuban or any other billionaire, to run, fund their own campaign and create a new party or not affiliate with any party. If he wins (or even does decenly well) that momentum can be used to win elections at the state and local level. Ross Perot almost did it with his Reform Party, but then he showed himself to be a crazy person and the party was taken over by crazy people.

You see my point but are you one of those who won't support the outsiders? The system will take several decades to change or need a huge revolution.

Why does it take a billionaire to fund? Think about that one.

The problem is with Americans they have allowed their country to be run by big corporations. All without a shot being fired.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by kane

I forgot.

Here is the ballot for my State Representative in the last election

https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon%27s_5...ection,_20 16

There were 3 people on the ballot. Incumbent Democrat, lifetime Republican politician and a Green Party candidate who has made a career out of running for various offices in the state. Sometimes he wins, sometimes he loses but he has run for this seat, Secretary of State and some others. In reality, his positions are very far to the left and when you hear him talk or read his positions he is basically a Democrat that is even further to the left than normal.

So vote for Marvin Sanders. To show the other two you are no longer to be fucked with.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So vote for Marvin Sanders. To show the other two you are no longer to be fucked with.

The problem then is what if Marvin Sanders wins?

That is one of the problems with your over-simple, just vote for someone else theory. Often times crazy people end up on the ballot because they were able to raise the money to get on the ballot.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You see my point but are you one of those who won't support the outsiders? The system will take several decades to change or need a huge revolution.

Why does it take a billionaire to fund? Think about that one.

The problem is with Americans they have allowed their country to be run by big corporations. All without a shot being fired.

I do support independent candidates when they are reasonable and I like what they have to say. I also encourage my friends and others to vote for them. Guess what? None of them ever do. They vote for their party. They complain and bitch and moan and refuse to vote for anyone else. I don't know how to change their minds.

It costs a lot of money to become president. I don't like it. I would love to see it changed, but that would take getting candidates into office who would be willing to change the system. Try telling people we want you to take away the system that allows you to raise millions, influence many elections including yours and maybe even make you and your friends rich and see how it goes.

Yes, we brought this system upon ourselves, but I think, at this point, something revolutionary would have to happen to change it.

[pimpmaster9000]

IRL corrupt piece of shit US gov LOL

[Paul Markham]

Bladewire, Crockett, Rochard, etc. Were all up in praise for the defeat of the Far Right in European elections. Won't they do not get is that most of those votes aren't for a return to Nazi values. They're a vote against the EU, mass migration and globalisation.

The EU isn't for changing from the inside, even though a large chunk of MEPs are dedicated to closing it down.

How Eurosceptic is the new European Parliament? - BBC News

The new European Parliament is now in session, with many more Eurosceptic MEPs than before - though not enough to systematically block EU legislation.
Voter discontent over immigration and huge job losses translated into big gains for Eurosceptics of various political hues, more than doubling their representation. About one-third of the 751 MEPs are Eurosceptic.

A guide to Europeâ??s key eurosceptic parties, and how successful they are

As predicted, within hours of the Brexit verdict, France?s National Front leader Marine Le Pen and Dutch eurosceptic political leader Geert Wilders were demanding in-out referendums in their own countries. As EU leaders work out the terms of Britain?s exit from the EU, they will be watching eurosceptic parties in other EU countries with unease.

There is little doubt that the EU, mass migration and globalisation have made the rich richer and the poor poorer. But the god of a nation's economy is paramount. Even if it makes most poorer and Third World Countries into First World countries.

Because we do not want to end up like America where two parties totally dominate. Both owned by the same people, one with PC values and one without.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by kane

The problem then is what if Marvin Sanders wins?

That is one of the problems with your over-simple, just vote for someone else theory. Often times crazy people end up on the ballot because they were able to raise the money to get on the ballot.

He can't fuck it up more than the present bunch, he will give more confidence for others to stand.

You're looking at the small picture, which is forgivable because of the way America has changed. Lok at the big picture and see what would happen in Americans who don't vote, those on the fringes all voted for a real outsider?

Enough did this time to put Trump into office, a bad choice but better than not voting for him. What if elections weren't so slam dunk for sitting politicians? Imagine a country where politicians feared losing their jobs for not looking after the people.

How bad can an outsider be?

[MiamiBoyz]

[Struggle4Bucks]

Healthcare is free here... although the ads in the waitingroom are annoying...
The crosssales too... went to the doctor and came home with a television...
crazy world...

[kane]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

He can't fuck it up more than the present bunch, he will give more confidence for others to stand.

You're looking at the small picture, which is forgivable because of the way America has changed. Lok at the big picture and see what would happen in Americans who don't vote, those on the fringes all voted for a real outsider?

Enough did this time to put Trump into office, a bad choice but better than not voting for him. What if elections weren't so slam dunk for sitting politicians? Imagine a country where politicians feared losing their jobs for not looking after the people.

How bad can an outsider be?

How bad can an outsider be? I guess it depends on the outsider. I'm sure there are some out there who would actually be good and do a good job. However, there are plenty who would have no idea what they are doing and potentially cause serious problems. Could they do worse than the current leadership? Absolutely they could. There are plenty of things they could fuck up that could send the economy into a freefall or cause other issues. Would they? I don't know.

I am all for voting for third party candidates. I have said for a long time nothing will change in Washington until those in power realize we will vote them out. That said, I still think there is a major lack of legitimate independent candidates and getting to a point where there are a good number of legit candidates will take a lot more than just voting for non-incumbents.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Mce is a buzzfeed post bot. Get em' blade.

Damn that AI!

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I wonder if this is really true. Some of the US population is really, really dumb... A doctor will tell them to do one thing and they will do the direct opposite.

JoshuaG, MrMaxwell, Acepimp, Mineistaken... need I say more?

[mce]

Would an OPEN MARKET system lower costs and pricing?

[DukeSkywalker]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I am not going to watch this but I can tell you why....

My wife works for a foot doctor. The foot doctor - a specialist with a decade of schooling - gets $25 for an office visit. The insurance company gets $125. It used to be doctors made the money. Now the healthcare companies do.

This is going to become a bigger problem when doctors barely break even. What's the point of spending hundreds of thousands in education and a decade in school only to break even every month? Eventually no one will want to be a doctor.

Robots. Thats how

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by kane

How bad can an outsider be? I guess it depends on the outsider. I'm sure there are some out there who would actually be good and do a good job. However, there are plenty who would have no idea what they are doing and potentially cause serious problems. Could they do worse than the current leadership? Absolutely they could. There are plenty of things they could fuck up that could send the economy into a freefall or cause other issues. Would they? I don't know.

I am all for voting for third party candidates. I have said for a long time nothing will change in Washington until those in power realize we will vote them out. That said, I still think there is a major lack of legitimate independent candidates and getting to a point where there are a good number of legit candidates will take a lot more than just voting for non-incumbents.

It would give the serving politician the boot. You would be telling them to look after the people's best interest rather than big corporations. But if you're too brainwashed or lazy to fight against it, kiss goodbye to your country.