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Donners 09-16-2008 02:06 PM

My programmer steals my idea
 
So I had a good idea for a script.. And I hired a programmer to do the job.

Now it turns out he stole the idea and created his own competing website with the script he made.

How can you deal with situations like these?

seeandsee 09-16-2008 02:07 PM

Search how Facebook was created

Fucksakes 09-16-2008 02:08 PM

happened to me many times.. whats new.

how to deal with it.. learn to code yourself.

k0nr4d 09-16-2008 02:10 PM

non-disclosure and non-compete agreements.

MrAwesome 09-16-2008 02:14 PM

hunt him down

CurrentlySober 09-16-2008 02:17 PM

kick him in the tits and stal his mrs...

Smooth J. 09-16-2008 02:19 PM

You got owned.

pornguy 09-16-2008 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 14764582)
non-disclosure and non-compete agreements.

:2 cents: :2 cents:


And a shotgun.

acctman 09-16-2008 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donners (Post 14764557)
So I had a good idea for a script.. And I hired a programmer to do the job.

Now it turns out he stole the idea and created his own competing website with the script he made.

How can you deal with situations like these?

that happens all the time. I personally never give a programmer complete access to a site or an entire project. I only give pieces of it, I know enough basic php to put things together in the end. Also, use multiple programmers if you can.

i had one programmer once he saw the complete project and site, he message me asking can he view the backend and see how everything works. of course I said no, late found out some contacted him about creating a site script similar to mine.

sortie 09-16-2008 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donners (Post 14764557)
So I had a good idea for a script.. And I hired a programmer to do the job.

Now it turns out he stole the idea and created his own competing website with the script he made.

How can you deal with situations like these?

You fucked up.

He created the code and can copyright it and sue you for using it.
You created an idea but, as I understand copyright law, you can't copyright a idea.
Only the expression of the idea can be copyrighted and
the script is the expression of your idea.

Solution :

Make complete specifications along with flow charts showing the full process to be
performed. Use pseudo code and be detailed and exact like :

Quote:

open user file by user name
read user file
extract last name and birth date
add 85 to birth year to get policy end date.
etc...
Now you can copyright you specs and pseudo code.
Also make a short contract specifying "This is a work for hire".
Work for hire means by law the programmer has no copyright
claims to the work he did.

Of course you can skip all that by hiring someone who is trustworthy.

acctman 09-16-2008 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 14764582)
non-disclosure and non-compete agreements.

unfortunately those dont work. they know you're more than likely not going to sue, and most programmers that are hired are in other sites and even countries. And proof of legal name and address is another issue. Best bet would be to go with a real established company that will probably charge you 10times as much but you get the security and piece of mind knowing you stuff won't be stolen.

d-null 09-16-2008 02:41 PM

not enough time in the day to do everything and learn to program well, but it seems it is necessary...

acctman 09-16-2008 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sortie (Post 14764701)
You fucked up.

He created the code and can copyright it and sue you for using it.
You created an idea but, as I understand copyright law, you can't copyright a idea.
Only the expression of the idea can be copyrighted and
the script is the expression of your idea.

Solution :

Make complete specifications along with flow charts showing the full process to be
performed. Use pseudo code and be detailed and exact like :



Now you can copyright you specs and pseudo code.
Also make a short contract specifying "This is a work for hire".
Work for hire means by law the programmer has no copyright
claims to the work he did.

Of course you can skip all that by hiring someone who is trustworthy.

Technically if he had an NDA signed he could go after him. But, unless you have the funds to do that its a pointless document. I use to work for IBM and MS creating databases and if I created anything software related they had rights to it.

like i said before if something is important enough use multiple programmers or pay the extra for a professional development company (actually physical company not an online website) to create it.

fujiko 09-16-2008 02:50 PM

i definitely feel ur pain.. But dont let that bother u, since u cant change wats happened.
Instead focus on ur site & build it to be the best.

xmas13 09-16-2008 02:56 PM

http://img27.picoodle.com/data/img27...zm_27ad708.jpg

G-Rotica 09-16-2008 02:59 PM

It's called work for hire. If you paid him, you own the code.

tranza 09-16-2008 03:10 PM

It happens all the time. Did you have any contract with him?

Pornstuck 09-16-2008 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza (Post 14764930)
It happens all the time. Did you have any contract with him?

Give your bot a rest.

2012 09-16-2008 03:19 PM

Whoops
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 14764582)
non-disclosure and non-compete agreements.

:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

That or hire this guy ...

http://i38.tinypic.com/2mqkvub.jpg

sysk 09-16-2008 03:29 PM

Always ask for a signed Non-disclosure Agreement (NDA) / Non-compete Agreement before you talk about your project. :) Good luck with this man

StarkReality 09-16-2008 03:46 PM

NDAs are a nice idea, but pretty useless in real life. Partner up with a friend who's a good programmer, these guys do magic and you'll go nowhere without decent tools and scripts. You need them for everything, even SEO.

aico 09-16-2008 03:49 PM

As said: non-disclosure non-compete, and also hire separate programs to work on different parts of the script.

wheaties 09-16-2008 03:54 PM

If it's a really good idea, and you expect this guy to do it for peanuts, then consider your site as good as duplicated. Why not go in a revenue sharing deal, that way there's mutual incentive to get the thing done, and he'll be less likely to rip it off.

Manowar 09-16-2008 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 14764864)

:1orglaugh ouch

JamesK 09-16-2008 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fartfly (Post 14764967)
:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

That or hire this guy ...

http://i38.tinypic.com/2mqkvub.jpg

:1orglaugh

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 09-16-2008 04:10 PM

Happened to me once upon a time, I raised a shit about it and wound up getting offered a cut from the proceeds. A large number of adult bloggers around here are now running what was originally supposed to be my private setup. At least I got some cash out of it in the end. You could demand a cut for yourself and see what he has to say. otherwise you'll just have to suck it up, and find a new coder next time around...

Supz 09-16-2008 04:37 PM

good old street justice

~Ray 09-16-2008 04:56 PM

you could post the programmers name so the gfy search will find it next time as a thief

mrkris 09-16-2008 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acctman (Post 14764693)
that happens all the time. I personally never give a programmer complete access to a site or an entire project. I only give pieces of it, I know enough basic php to put things together in the end. Also, use multiple programmers if you can.

i had one programmer once he saw the complete project and site, he message me asking can he view the backend and see how everything works. of course I said no, late found out some contacted him about creating a site script similar to mine.

This is one of the most absurd statements I've ever read. Segmenting sections of your code to different programmers with different levels of experience, education and in some cases, language, is why so many people have hard to maintain websites, vulnerable code and no documentation.

Then again, it's people like you who hire those of us that know what we are doing to write it from scratch and make more money, so, carry on :)

WarChild 09-16-2008 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-Rotica (Post 14764878)
It's called work for hire. If you paid him, you own the code.

That's wrong.

It's not a work for hire unless specifically stated. After the fact, it's too late.

mrkris 09-16-2008 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheaties (Post 14765122)
If it's a really good idea, and you expect this guy to do it for peanuts, then consider your site as good as duplicated. Why not go in a revenue sharing deal, that way there's mutual incentive to get the thing done, and he'll be less likely to rip it off.

Most developers don't like revenue sharing, since nobody can guarantee you will get anything back. I know quite a few people on here that are still trying to launch the same site they spoke about 2 years ago.

Bojangles 09-16-2008 05:39 PM

Sucks to hear that, man. Ouch.

crockett 09-16-2008 05:51 PM

Hey look at it this way.. at least your coder actually finished the job with a working script. That's gotta be better than 80% of the coders out there.

UniversalPassLorence 09-16-2008 08:21 PM

You got to have contracts drafted to address all your concerns inculding non-disclosure, non-compete, intellectual property and other clauses. You should even have it signed, before you even talk about the idea with them (at least the non-disclosure). But if the programmer is non US, then you got a new set of problems :Oh crap

UniversalPassLorence 09-16-2008 08:22 PM

You can get them off the net for a fee and customize them (inexpensive) or have a lawyer draft it (expensive).

UniversalPassLorence 09-16-2008 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarkReality (Post 14765063)
NDAs are a nice idea, but pretty useless in real life. Partner up with a friend who's a good programmer, these guys do magic and you'll go nowhere without decent tools and scripts. You need them for everything, even SEO.

Hard to get a good programmer who is your friend and sane :)

Kudles 09-16-2008 08:43 PM

Punch him in the face

NickPapageorgio 09-16-2008 08:48 PM

Possession is 90% of the law without a detailed, signed document stating otherwise...

And to the guy posting to just build the site up better yada yada, it's easy to say that in a perfect world. But remember, the guy who wrote the software is the guy who's probably going to be the best at making the most of it. ;)

TRe$yNFuL 09-16-2008 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth J. (Post 14764636)
You got owned.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

woj 09-16-2008 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acctman (Post 14764731)
...Best bet would be to go with a real established company that will probably charge you 10times as much but you get the security and piece of mind knowing you stuff won't be stolen...

Yup, that's really the only way... :thumbsup

FreeHugeMovies 09-16-2008 09:56 PM

At least he finished the job right?

brandonstills 09-16-2008 10:16 PM

Every time someone has an idea, I've already had it or there are 100 people already doing it. I never agree to NDA's for freelance work. Otherwise everyone would be accusing me of stealing their ideas for everything I did.

CyberHustler 09-16-2008 10:30 PM

http://op-for.com/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg

XXXMovie4M 09-16-2008 11:53 PM

so what man, you came up with the first idea so stop crying about it and come up with another one! FUCK!

gimo33 09-16-2008 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Decker (Post 14767139)

:1orglaugh

XXXMovie4M 09-16-2008 11:58 PM

ya, what he said "HA HA"

ilbb 09-17-2008 12:11 AM

that's why I learned programming

V_RocKs 09-17-2008 01:44 AM

zThat sucks!

DarkJedi 09-17-2008 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donners (Post 14764557)
How can you deal with situations like these?

Walk it off.

mrwilson 09-17-2008 05:10 AM

Cut your losses and release the script for free.
Why let him benefit from it?


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