Anyone here renounced their US citizenship?
 

Do you have problems visiting family when you go back or is it easy to get a Certificate Of Loss of Citizenship at the embassy?

Sometimes i get angered by the absolute ignorance of our people in command and our foreign policy, but bottom line is i would die for my country in a just war, in a heart beat.
duke

Damn that quote is almost sigworthy!
I have no idea why you even would renounce. You can live elsewhere and still not renounce it right?

Strong words Duke. :thumbsup

Sadly, there will never be a just war for you to fight in.

It is sig-worthy.

I'm NOT planning on doing this, I was just asking. Been reading some about it and was curious if any of the expats here have done so and the problems they have had because of it.

If everyone always totally agreed with what their government did, this would be a very strange world...

The key word there is "just war". I'd die for the country in one too. But we'd have to have a just war first.

Sounds like you need to hit some Expats meeting.

Nah. I'm filing for DUAL citizenship though

there is really no reason to renounce unless you dont want to adhere to us law, but as we just saw in that casino case, the us will arrest non us citizens fro breaking us law.. having a us paaport allows you to come and go as you please and also allows access to just about every country in the world. citizens of most countries cant travel to other countries as they please without a govt visa...

The United States Military serves at the pleasure of the Office of the President, no matter who is sitting behind the desk at the moment.

What's highly ironic is that this is a board full of pornographers who feel they can always do better than our current government while not one of us has bothered to do anything about it.

In fairness ms... there is plenty good reason why anyone may not want to fall under US law. Again - there is good reason, mainly on a personal basis why anyone should not give up citizenship, plus, as you mentioned, if there is family or a need to return to the US it's obviously useful.

There is more to the story than claims the US can arrest a non-citizen and that will end up an "incident" within six months. Bottom line, the US has no rights outside their jurisdiction.

Any EU passport gives access to most countries - no problemo - including the US.

There is no simple way like getting a certificate to "renounce" your citizenship, especially if it is for tax reasons. If you want to do this though, you can get out, but you can't get back in.

I actually would be curious though how you would do it, other than marrying a citizen of another country..... maybe just dont go to the states for 10 years and don't file taxes ?

I wouldn't want to renounce citizenship from my country unless it were a dictatorship, etc..

Someone mentioned dual citizenship and I am pretty sure the US does not recognize dual citizenship.

You can renounce your citizenship in the us gain citizenship somewhere else and come here on a passport just like everyone else does.. Dont be stupid, ask Rhupert Merdock (sp) he did it.

From what I have heard it is very hard to renounce your US citizenship. The US government does not want you to do this. I cannot imagine any reason why you would want to do it either unless you wanted to prove something. It will make your life much easier if you keep your citizenship.

Oh yeah its real hard:
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A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship:

appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer,
in a foreign country (normally at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate); and
sign an oath of renunciation

Remember to get nationality of another country first :winkwink: Otherwise this will be rejected - for obvious reasons.

Dual nationality is OK - but there are clauses and sub-clauses.

If the govt has a wildest dreams think is to escape future taxation, you can renounce and renounce, but they want their taxes based on - think last 10 years income calculation. It costs money to be free.

EXACTLY. Its very easy to bash something you have no idea about.
The most powerful country in the world is run by idiots if you ask some posters on some porn message board LOL

dont you have to pay US taxes no matter where in the world your living if your a US citizen?

True Kimo - US is the only country that has this requirement to file tax docs and pay taxes irrespective where a US citizen lives (least the only one in the western world - the others are Lybia, Saudi and some obscure place).

Flip side is there is an $80K allowance for foreign residency - but, overall, that's not much compensation when many other benefits of living abroad are dumped down the drain.

so then it would indeed make sense for someone who made 100% of their money online, and lived, and operated their business from costa rica, or some other country where income from foreign sources is not taxxed to renounce their US citizenship, assuming they had no reason to go back to the US? its just a matter of is the tax savings worth to you personally giving up your US citizenship...


other then avoiding taxes i dont know why anyone would want to renounce their citizenship, other then that chess champion guy who renounced it to avoid being extradited to the us for some silly crime...

:winkwink: OK.. First thing is really "clear the background" - ie.. you need to have your personal stuff like citizenship sorted first, - prime reason being that you are totally clear of all taxes, claims and laws for your old country of citizenship.

Once you are clear (it's unfortunate the US is not like any other western country re this stuff), you can live wherever you like, form whatever corps in whatever jurisdiction you like (choose these for obvious benefits) and depending where you choose to live or operate a business (these can be different) - done correctly, you will never see a tax form again. Yes, taxation is a major element - compound what you pay in taxes over 10 years and it's a lump :-) There are several other money-type advantages in that other kinds of taxation may not exist either.

The rest is really a matter of opinion and personal preferences... chances are you will have a better quality lifestyle than in most "civilized countries".

Only me, you get used the the tax benefit stuff - I'd be thinking of the lifestyle more than any taxes - and also there is much more freedom to arrange whatever as you may prefer without legal obstacles.

Apart from that - yes, would not think of any reason for changing citizenship - unless there was some other background reasons such as DWB mentioned.

PS.. Normally, there would be no need to go to the extent/hassle of changing citizenship to do this, - the only problem is US laws. Eg.. EU people can just leave and live wherever they like and this no annual filing/reporting requirement. You can also collect passports over time for dual nationality - simply because you prob end up qualifying for them depending on where you live. (A girl who works here has four passports - "quadruple nationality" :) - simply because she lived in X country for X time etc)

nice exchange of thoughts

damn the usa :(

It's not that bad!!! :1orglaugh

There is good stuff everywhere - I kinda like the US and have plenty good friends there. Actually lived in Florida for a while and we all had a good time there. Tho... would stop at the prospect of "citizenship" - simply because it ends up a trap and "inhibitor" of many other things. (Plus there is taxes - urgh! Don't mind them that much, but really can't be bothered filling in forms - just a pet hate)

You can go to China and work there.. But you would then owe them taxes and America taxes too... Hence having dual citizenship royally sucks...

Note the difference between "dual nationality" and "dual citzenship" V_Rocks.

Normally there is only the need for one citizenship, but can have as many "dual/triple nationalities" as you may ever want. (How many does anyone need??) But true - if one is a US citzenship - another story, but no problem with most other western citizenships.

It is amazing what happens when people end up "aware" of possibilities - my old lawyer from the EU kept asking questions about locations/taxation etc - then, within a month she sold up her legal biz and shipped out to the Caribbean :winkwink:

Yes, US citizens can have DUAL citizenship.

True DWB - question is do ya want that? Unless there is some double taxation treaties in place with, eg. the US and whatever other country, there will definately be taxation on the US element, plus possible taxation on wherever you are actually resident - unless that is a low or zero tax area?

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Nope. I'm not looking for a way to do this or a way out, I was just curious who has done it and any drama it has caused them.

As much as I distrust my government and disagree with the entire system, I would not give up my US citizenship for anything. And not because I am a flag waiving patriot, but simply because a US Passport allows me to travel very easily with little or no hassle and I still have family there.

Got ya! Family and ties are prob the main reason most folks have for retaining citizenship of wherever.

I'm a dual citizen (American/Candian) and wasn't even born in the states. Have two passports :2 cents:

I have dual citizenship also, Irish & British

DWB I think its a bad idea to renounce citizenship, no one is ever going to agree with eveything their government does but everyone of us who lives in the Western World is privileged to be born in a wealthy country that has the ability to bail us out if we get into some trouble in a foreign country.

Most people in third world countries would give their left nut to have that privilege, so in my opinion. To even consider throwing that privilege away would be an unwise move

For the love of God, I"M NOT GONG TO DO THIS!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

READ MY POSTS!!!!!!

I was just asking if anyone has. :upsidedow

USa by far the best country in the world to live in

US Citizens can legally hold dual citizenship. This is due to "omission" and not "commission." They didn't put any laws on the books that say you CAN'T, therefore, you can. I'm working on my Mexican Citizenship at the moment and will be dual qualified.

Dude :) If you ask a question like this 99% of peope who read your thread are going to assume that your at least thinking about doing so yourself :2 cents:

I have dual citizenship with the UK and the USA. I wanted to make sure I wouldn't have problems so I talked to the USA Embassy and they said in the case of the UK and the USA I would have to denounce my citizenship in order to lose it. Otherwise I wouldn't have any problems. I would never denounce it but it was interesting to find out. I know you have to pay to denounce your UK citizenship if you wanted to do it.

Yes they do but not with every country. It is a country by country thing and you have to do your research. Trust me, I have it.

Duke, read the Patriot Act. That will give you a reason for a Just War.

I'm working on getting a citizenship from Mexico. :pimp

if you are going to renounce it can you give it to me for a while?

Got a special offer on a two-pack spanno - only 34782 left :winkwink:

Had em for 29 years now - slow sellers man...

I'd like to see alot of GFY'ers renounce thier stupidity, but I doubt it will ever happen.

I was wonering if when applying for us citizenship they can deny you for being an adult webmaster. I know in the interview they ask for your occupation.

So if you denouced your UK citizenship would that mean that you would no longer have to pay UK taxs ?