Should the people vote to destroy the EU from within?
 

The EU started as the Common Market which was just a trade deal plus a commitment to work closer together. Since then the "work closer together" part has formulated into something that's on course to rule from the centre. Changed the rules the people are governed by and generally made a mess of ruling Europe.

Any notion of a referendum to remain in the EU is met with denial, except in the UK and politicians are now set to destroy that democratic vote.

So is it time the richer nations citizens to vote for parties who are committed to undoing the stranglehold the EU imposes on them?

The anti-EU parties are growing.

https://carnegieeurope.eu/2018/12/11...mics-pub-77922

https://www.politico.eu/article/stud...-may-election/

Keeping the trade deal doesn't hinge on the EU. We can have the trade deal without losing democracy.

Yes yes paul...you can have the cake and eat it...take your meds LOL

EU go into fail, vote or not.

The EU needs to be shut down ASAP

Paul Markham LOVES Russia

Notice how Paul Markham hates America, hates Canada, hates Britain & hates the EU but never has a single complaint about mother Russia.

Russia is Paul's eutopia

when are you dumbasses gonna learn that there is no such thing as sovereignty for small countries?...do you really think you get to call your own shots once you step out of the EU? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

when you find a way to not depend on foreign markets and money, only then are you truly free...until then, you can pretend that strength does not lie in unity and that divide and conquer does not apply to you or that somebody will beg you to come back...truth is, you fucked yourself...

and no...you do not have a patriotic and honest right wing or whatever...if you were expecting sudden and positive change, well that is not how magic beans work :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh magic beans just win elections, you offer simple solutions to complex problems and then grab the money...so quit pretending like there is some sort of freedom around the corner :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Nothing the EU has done can be lost, the pluses of the Trade Deal, working closer together, etc are all capable without losing our individual democracies.

the UK is doing stellar with its slowest growth in the EU :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

magic brexit beans are growing :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You tell 'em, Paul . . .

than be happy and go back to britain and enjoy what is coming up there on the chaos island.

I am pretty sure you will complain the EU also for that after britain is out.
but i would say: eat it!

when EU trade limits and production quotas will lifting - growing will start :2 cents:

I'm pretty sure Paul Markham is planning to relocate to Russia, the only "white" country that Paul never complains about. Of course, if Paul moves to Russia he'd be breaking the law if he complained about Putin or the government.

Sure sure...the limits and quotas mean shit if nobody buys...you are presuming things will MAGA LOL...everybody is focusing on supposed benefits but unaware of the disadvantages...shit will be shit...there is no reason for sudden MAGA...it is a fairy tale for suckers...

Even though you type like a fucking moron Thommy I'm saying as long as corrupt politicians are NOT 100% fully committed to represent the country and its voters then YES there will be complains after EU and rightfully so.

The thick blanket of corruption that influence our western countries negatively needs to be exposed and removed.

What the fuck are you on about?

What's so essential about central rule?

Is there anything the EU has achieved that countries working together can't achieve?

Why are you so keen to lose your democratic rights?

of course they should

The financial cost of the EU bureaucracy is staggering. They couldn't even decide on one place locate the European Parliament. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-fr...-idUKKBN1DX0I1

If she wants it to be closer to it's region, then take power away and hand it back to regional governments. She just wants money to come to France.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget...European_Union

When you consider that less than half of the EU countries actually contribute towards the running that 2% a lot of money to hand over.

https://europa.eu/european-union/sit...et_2017_en.png

What do these things actually mean and can a bunch of bureaucrats achieve them and why can't they do it?

go to the right wing for your simple solutions...just vote for them...they are super honest...only a super honest politician would offer simple solutions to complex problems...honest politicians coming right up in 3,2,1...

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what a bunch of suckers you all are....

It market's problem, what buy or not or what to production or not. EU offer planned economy with quotas and limits witch ruled by the corrupt not elected bureaucracy.

https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b...28.34%20AM.png
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All the alt right want to do is destroy and cause chaos without any plans to fix or replace what they think is broken

how to be anti EU with success: look at just one side of the problem and pretend that the other does not exist...

production quotas were introduced because some countries can over produce goods and dump them on other countries and destroy the local production in others...furthermore this leads to wild price fluctuations and this is not good for anybody because long term plans heavily depend on stable prices...right wing politicians and euroskeptics will conveniently forget to mention this...

I can give you an example of how this works in a non regulated market...turkish tomato imports absolutely obliterate serbian early tomato sales prices...turkey has a much warmer climate and they do not have to heat their early grows at all...small producers are at the mercy of importers...when importers import too much, then they begin to dump...it is a perishable good, you would be amazed at how low you can sometimes get...next year the small producers will not dare try another such grow...but next year the importers will also not try again because they got burned last year...then the price skyrockets and all of a sudden everybody is trying to import...then the price drops like a rock when everybody has tons and tons...this happens year after year...

it is easy to be a euroskeptic when you ignore vital reasons for some of the EU regulations and pretend like evil people made them for no reason...

Love to see America hand the EU its immigration laws because they trade with each other...

I am not talking about not a regulated market. World globalization has the target rise effectiveness to use our planet. End consumer becomes poorer after prices on tomato will rise. You offer Russia growth tomatoes on snow and in EU use shit bricks as fuel :1orglaugh
What today happened, have a name - regulation.

This will destroy the EU

https://g8fip1kplyr33r3krz5b97d1-wpe...al-cartoon.jpg

you can not have it both ways...whether you are in a union or alone, you will have to make concessions one way or the other...you can not pretend like the union has only disadvantages and the non-union has only advantages...this is simply not true...

it is easy to be a euroskeptic if you look at only the problems...

What part of those 3 sentences don't you understand Paul?

I agree! Peoples as in the UK must vote on referendums and it will solve what will be better for them.

do you really think the EU wants another country with a dictator ?

not in the next 10 and not in the next 20 years turkey will get even in the near.
and this have NOTHING to do with the turks. they are since centuries the biggest group of foreigners in germany and they helped germany a lot in this time and they still do. the leader of the german green party is turkish and one of erdogan's favorite enemies.

did you know that berlin is since over 20 years the 2nd biggest turkish city?

you see germany can indeed handle that with benefit for everybody.

I wonder why Paul hasn't posted yet how Slovakia just elected a female liberal president. Maybe it doesn't fit his narrative how right wing parties gain traction everywhere.

Also in Germany the right wing party just polled with the lowest numbers since mid 2018 while the Green party is stronger than ever.

That's the reality - not Pauls shitty posts on GFY

So you're a supporter of the German green party? :1orglaugh

I heard how they talk and they're more interested in immigration topics than working for a better environment.

^^^ Promoting Berlin as the 2nd biggest Turkish city

Folks does that sound like a German. :1orglaugh

Berlin is already a shit hole, a multicultural hot spot with native zombie citizens and left politician idiots selling out their country piece by piece.

berlin is fine...turks are fine...the problem is you...nobody likes you :thumbsup

do not care about it, big towns will be burned during WW3. Berlin,London,NY etc...:1orglaugh

I only want to destroy the Centralist Rule the EU is working towards. I want the people of Europe to have more say in who runs their country. The EU is taking that away from them.

I don't understand why you think I'm in favour of Russia. Is it the same as anti mass immigration people who are labelled as racists, even though immigration laws would apply to all races?

Or anyone who supports anything Trump wants loves Russia?

These are the types of attitudes that got Trump elected.

Can you guaranty that with the EU deciding it and no referral to the people?

https://www.google.com/search?biw=13....0.7ZWp6Ga8OOg

No you can't so don't make claims you can't back up.

Would the people of Europe allowed countries with a bad economy to join the Euro?
Would the people of Europe allowed millions of illegal migrants to come to Europe?
Would the British citizens allowed an open door migration policy which included giving EU immigrants access to welfare?

I can list a lot more examples where the people are very anti things the EU does in their pursuit to rule Europe.

Can you list things that are impossible for non-EU countries to achieve?

We can see who's right in the next EU elections.

https://www.google.com/search?biw=13...iz.iTkOoZXB_P4

Why are you and Thommy so much in favour of losing your democratic rights?

You forgot about Moscow! Lol

oh i forgot to write things without a proof is a privilege from you.

turkey is since 20 years an official candidate for the EU but this is based on a much older agreement from 1963 - the so called ankara agreement gives them the RIGHT to be a candidate.

If you would know what the EU is and know the rules of the EU you would also know that
a country with a bad economy can not join til they have a solution.

the EU rules are very clear in that.

and if you would understand the dublin contract and the geneva convention you would also know that NOBODY is wanting ILLEGAL immigrants. and as soon as they are identified as illegal they get kicked out - even in Germany.

again - read the dublin agreement that was signed by britain.
I do not want to talk about countries anymore who will be soon out from the EU because they refused to stand for what they have signed.
go with god but go.

this is an oxymoron - but you will also not understand that.
how can europe pusuit to rule europe ?

if a community agrees TOGETHER to do something it is not ruling.
you sound like a criminal who is complaining that it is not allowed to kill.

many natioanl laws can not be touched by the EU.
why do you think that german webmasters go to jail when they make a pornsite without the strict german AVS and a dutch webmaster is still free?

almost all taxes and social laws are a matter for the federal states.

most things you know as "influence of the EU" (like standards for cucumbers or bananas) where made under pressure from the agriculture of the individual countries to negotiate a price based on standards.

again: if you would take the time to read the lisbon contract and then be smart enough to understand it, then you would not even ask such stupid questions.

Your cry for the right that EU citizens have to decide each thing is a cry to make the donkey a gardener. what you want is the opposite of a government and the opposite of democracy. governments are elected to keep this work from the people that are not familiar with the complex issues.
if people like you would have the right to decide - this world would be in ashes already.

we have been shown by the brexit how little the ordinary citizens understand about the laws of the economy.
UK has voted out its own prosperity to the delight of the russians, who now have 2 big enemies dealing with so many problems that they have become incapable of action.

and this is the real sad part of all that you guys do not even see how you got brainwashed.

it´s telling a lot that the russians are dreaming from a 3rd worldwar, isn´t it?

now that they know that a war with germany only will eliminate 50 million russians, they want to find out the number that will come out of a war against europe or even the whole world.

that´s the reason why i don´t drink vodka - it kills the brain cells.

Did you read the articles in my link. Do so and then reply.

So how did they miss Greece? Do you see how bad the EU is at keeping to it's own rules? Also if all the economies are good, why are over half the EU net receivers of funds from the other countries? https://www.cer.eu/insights/eurozone...poor-countries

And why are these even on a list to join? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future...ummary_t able

Do you really want to see an enlargement of the countrieswho take out more than they put in? BBC NEWS | Europe | Paying for the EU budget

Againshit at keepingtothe rules. All the refugees who left |Turkey to go to States where they get more money are illegal migrants. People fleeing war stop when they reach a safe country. Then there are the 100,000s coming from Africa.



Yes our leaders are fucking us up. We need direct access to people who will represent the people who elect them.



When that community is a tiny elite and not the people of the country. The results are fuck up.



You still fail to give one example of something the EU has achieved that non-EU countries haven'tor can't


Neither can you. You can't give reasons for the EU to rule Europe from the centre and if you think that's not the eventual aim, you're mistaken.

Individual rules will always apply, but they will be small things the major issues will all be under central control. https://www.ft.com/content/8fa3569c-...e-7aedca0a081a

You said a very interesting thing.

Do you really think central government is able to resolve issues that effect different countries, cultures and economies? As far apart as Greece and Germany or the UK and Bulgaria, etc?

Your problem is keeping the EU together. Many of it's citizens are so sick of it they vote for the only option dedicated to undoing it's hold. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36130006 No one is talking about doing away with the trade agreements, the cross border cooperation, visa free travel or any of the good things the EU has brought. They're simply scared of the way the centralist have taken hold.

Tell us why you are still in favour of losing your democratic rights to the centre? Do Germans see it as a way of running Europe? They've had two goes at that and look where those tries took us. You run the risk of being at the mercy of small countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future...ummary_t able with those countries votes out weighing the stronger nations.

what you want to proof me with that? that 85% of the europeans are NOT RADICAL RIGHT WINGERS ???

because exactly THIS is what i can see in your links but you obviously not.

FFS have you nothing better to do ?

Spending your time arguing with Paul Markham is a very serious waste of time.

again you do not understand what the EU is.
the example greece is a bad one as you and everybody else know that they falsificated their balance to get into the EU.

yes that did happen but you can be sure that it will not happen a second time.

but anyway - greece is on a good way and the day is not so far when they will be a payer and not a receiver anymore.

the falsification of the balance had only one really bad effect, that their own growth after the 2008 crisis went to hell.

their growth rate was at -11% and not it is at +2.1 - so you still think the EU can not do nothing for a country that is in trouble ?



very simple: because they are in Europe and they have a right to be in the EU as soon as they are matching the rules.


why did you not kill your daughter when she was born. she only cost you money !

one thing that you definitely not get is that economy is a longterm thing.
if you want a buyer you have to help him to get into a position that he CAN BUY.

all aides we send to third world countries is an investment in the future.
china is a good example. china is the number one buyer in the world.
if you delete china and india from the buyers list because they are "shit holes" you can
forget ALL economies on the fucking planet.

come one paul - why do you lie. show me ONE country in the world that says yes to ILLEGAL immigrants.

what do you think means the word "ILLEGAL" ?????


and these are people with YOUR understanding ?

or people like boris johnson that tells people lies and after they vote for this lies he even admits that he have lied ?


now you sound like KKK

you failed to read and listen - and thats why i will not reapeat it again and again.

see your country failing - and keep in mind that the rest of europe will applaude when that happens.

aha and what does britain like to do?
getting hitler elected or return to the death penalty but stay in the EU ?

you are afraid on one hand that countries with very other world views and standards COULD POSSIBLY join the EU and on the other side you see those standards as a burden.

WHAT EXACTLY do you want ?????


you are the very best example WHY we have governments that give goals in hands of people who have the skills.

it is funny that people who do NOT have the skills know it better.


nope - the problem is that even in europe we still have around 20% uneducated idiots.
you are one of them but you are the MINORITY and this is what you do not get.

what democratic right do I lose when I can not decide with whom and it what kind of contract the EU should make deals?

but you will be very happy when britain is able to deliver war tools to the terrorists and war countries again without someone that stop them from doing that.

and you will be the first that complaints when the first UK citizen died from a british bomb.

you are a dreamer and so far from reality that it is a shame for a nation to have such dumb citizens.

:1orglaugh oh yes
Russia always has a defensive military strategy, not attacked.
But after the UK leaving EU, poor Poland will stay in the home alone with guys which kill 50 million civilian unarmed peoples ))

i have to admit that you are right.

it is my weakest point that I still believe that there must be a way to teach a parrot to understand einstein´s relativity theory.

i already teached a parrot to say it but i guess that parrot did not understand it even after many years.

paul is my second try as he is a parrot too and just repeats what he got teached to say.

I'm just here to see the Master Troll at work . . .