Scam or Attempted Scam by user "Statiztics"
 

I created a thread yesterday asking for a Paypal to Paxum exchange.

User: Statiztics PM'd me and told me he/she would do it.

Sent the money $275 via Paypal.

Statiztics said they couldn't send me the Paxum as the Paypal transaction was not marked "complete"

I told them that it showed as complete on my end.

Then they changed their story and said funds were complete but "unavailable"

After some more PMs I asked for a refund.

Refund sent but was "pending" until 8 days from now. I looked up Paypal's site and found this:

https://www.paypal.com/ca/smarthelp/...s-work-faq3248

Basically it says that if I pay with my PP balance, which I did, then a refund should be instant or at the very latest given by the end of the same day. It then says that if the pending refund is scheduled to take 3-5 days or more it means it has to come from the person's bank account.

Conclusion, the refund is coming from Statiztics bank account which means they withdrew the money which means they lied about the transaction. Paypal's website also mentions that if they are not able to secure the funds then the refund will be marked as "cancelled" ... which is what I am afraid of.

So I filed a dispute and am letting everyone here know, so that nobody here can be scammed by him/her again.

I accept full responsibility for this. I was just in a bit of a rush with a lot going on but should have done more due diligence.

I don't understand how a person registered here since 2003 is willing to ruin their reputation and future business opportunities over a measly sum?

I gave this person fair warning that I would open a PP dispute and post on GFY - to give them a chance to explain a bit better or work it out - and their response was to be outraged.

So here we are.

Sorry to read this Mopek.

https://gfy.com/members/biggie-smalls-web-writing/ next time :thumbsup

Thanks.

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Are you fucking mad?
Seriously, what is your problem?
I told you that I would send you $275 back via Paxum (for $275 in PP) as I do not think it is right charging 5 or 10% as I was trying to help you. You sent the payment and I stated to you that I would send your Paxum within 20 minutes or so as I was away from my computer when you sent Paypal. Within 30 minutes, I messaged you stating that I had not sent Paxum because your payment was pending/unavailable.
You then started to send some shitty messages about me scamming you and so I refunded you. I have no idea why the refund is showing as pending.

You then have the fucking audacity to come on here and start throwing around the scam word. You fucking shitstain.

Outrage is often used to try to distract from the facts.

Trying to help is great, and a nice thing. Not charging me a fee is even nicer. But if I get scammed, those words mean nothing.

All true.

Not true. I accused you of scamming AFTER you sent the refund (once I realized the refund was "pending" and I looked up what that meant and figured out you were lying about the initial state of the transaction as being "unavailable" to you.) I have screen shots in case anyone wants to see proof.

I do. Check the Paypal link I posted above.

I don't see you stating any real, solid arguments that try to counter what I'm saying or prove me wrong. You didn't do that with me while we were PMing either. You just got angry and called me names. That doesn't really move a situation forward.

OFF TOPIC: i resemble that remark... :2 cents:

Outrage most certainly occurs when lies are told and comments such as scam are thrown into the mix. Let's put this into reality -
I contact you and ask what you are in need of (Paypal or Paxum).
You reply Paypal. I said I can help but going out to breakfast so will do on my return.
You reply great.
I respond after a while with my PP address and request your Paxum details.
You reply with the details and state PP has been sent.
I state I will send Paxum soon as currently away from computer.
I respond stating your payment is unavailable hence why I have not sent Paxum yet.
You respond with something is not right etc.
After some PMs were exchanged, I hit the refund button.

You come onto here and band about the scam term.

As I said, you fucking piece of shit.

True enough. Let's see about those lies.

Yes. Good.


No, I need Paxum, But likely a typo on your part.

All true so far.


I responded asking for a refund. No accusations were directed to you at this point.

True ... THEN, I see the refund is "pending" which tells me you were lying to me from the start (see my original post for more detail).

True. After I realize it likely was one.

I'm not sure why you gave this entire reply (meaning the whole post)? It doesn't really say much except that we disagree on the timing of when you issued the refund?

Even if you are correct about that (which obviously isn't the case), it still doesn't do anything to further your case? The refund is still "pending" which means you were lying about the transaction to being with?

You are trying to be clever quoting comments made here. What doesn't make sense to me is why you would take the dramatic step of making a scam post when I have refunded you?
I have absolutely no idea why the funds are pending (or whatever status is showing at your end) but I refunded you because I did not send the Paxum payment due to your PP payment being unavailable to me. Perhaps their is a problem with your PP account hence why the funds were not with me? I genuinely have no idea but to come on here and do what you have done mopek1 is disappointing. Really disappointing when all I was trying to do was assist you.

I like your style, Mopek.

:2 cents: :2 cents: . . .

No. I'm trying to be clear and concise in my communication.

See previous posts above for valid reason.

I do. Look at Paypal's website. They say exactly why a refund would be marked as "pending" ... I provided a link to it above if you don't want to use up too much of your time to find it.

There is no problem with my Paypal account. I have had it over 20 years and it has never given me problems. Also, there is nothing to indicate a problem exists at this moment. The fact that your refund is marked "pending" has nothing to do with my account.

Disappointing? Being lied to is disappointing. Not getting my money is disappointing. Wasting valuable time in the morning with this mess is disappointing.

I just don't understand why you would do this, especially with a join date like you have here on GFY - 2003? That is an old join date that you should be using to garner trust so that you can do business with other people here. By trying to take my money you are throwing away your trust and your ability to do more business in the future. Very costly compared with what you have gained, or were trying to gain.

My only conclusion is that you must be desperate, and I feel sorry for you.

CaptainHowdy ... are you endorsing BiggieSmalls as a trusted person do do PP to Paxum exchange with?

Yes i do :pimp, in a heart beat :thumbsup

I feel sorry that you felt the need to come on here throwing about scam comments when I was helping you with a no charge exchange. Very disappointing that someone who has been here for as long as you felt the need to do that.
Very very sad at how nasty some people can be.

Thanks Brian mike :thumbsup

I don't particularly like to use the term shitstain for any members here but this is an individual who has been active on this forum for nearly as long as me and to come on here with these remarks is staggering.

So where are we at with tis? Did the refund come through?

He/she was refunded within a couple of hours of the original payment being sent to me.
Those couple of hours were made up of me returning to my main machine after the payment was received, explaining to the member that the payment is with me but unavailable hence why I had not sent the paxum and after some PMs bouncing back and forward, I refunded this person.

I do not know why I have gone out of my way after the pointed remarks but I have even contacted PP and asked why the refund is not with the recipient because I absolutely do not have it (not in balance/not in my bank account etc).

Nope. It is pending with an estimated date of March 22nd.

Correction. You hit the refund button within a couple of hours of the original payment being sent to you. Very different.



This is new information. So you are saying the money is not in your PP account ... AND ... it is not in your bank account?

So my money has disappeared?

Was this an "echeck" transaction? PayPal places delays on those and possibly other types.

True.

But no. This was a transaction that came straight from my Paypal balance, and so if it was still in "Statiztics" account like he/she claims, it should have been refunded asap or have a pending date by the end of the day max.

If I paid by echeck, bank, cc etc. then it would be understandable for the pending period to be so long.

why doesn't the accusee show screen shots of the transaction/problem?

As I said, you was refunded as in I hit the refund button within a couple of hours of the original payment being received.

Let me be clear...I do not have your funds in my balance or bank account hence why I have contacted PP and questioned why it is not with you.

You are in the wrong here mopek1 with these accusations and remarks hence my initial anger.

I took the trouble of removing the users info.

http://statiztics.com/pp.jpg

Statiztics just showed one. I can show others if there is any specific shot people want to see.

Not precisely correct. You HIT THE REFUND BUTTON ... but I have not yet been refunded. As I have been saying, the refund is pending.

Great. I'd love to know what they say.

Have you called them? I've had a few issues with them in the past few years and surprisingly I got someone on the phone that was very helpful.

As I have said repeatedly, I have refunded you and I do not have your payment in my balance, bank account or anywhere else.
I do not know why you do not have the payment but I have asked that question to Paypal.

I absolutely did not scam or attempt to scam you as you have so unfairly quoted.

Okay ... I just called and spoke to 2 different agents. 1 agent was just the regular kind who looks into accounts. I asked him about my transaction and refund, and he said I would have to speak with someone in the "disputes" department, BUT, a refund that was initially a payment from someone's paypal balance (like mine) would be instant in ALL cases. I wouldn't have to wait.

I thanked him.

Then I spoke to the disputes agent and he said that my refund is being processed via an E-CHECK ... he said that that means the seller or other party in the transaction didn't have enough funds in their account to cover the refund and so the funds are coming from the other party's bank.

So the confirmation that the refund is being processed via an E-CHECK means Statiztics is lying, that he did something with the funds before hitting the refund button.

Him hitting the refund button doesn't guarantee me a refund either. The money has to clear from his bank account or else the refund will be marked as "cancelled" and I get nothing.

So I now have proof of what I already knew.

Shit, doesn't sound good but he is still here posting in your thread. Looks like there isn't much to do besides wait to see if the e-check clears.

Statiztics, do you have enough in your bank account to cover the e-check?

You better have money in your account to cover your E-Check refund to mopek1 or shit is gonna get REAL real for you REAL soon. OneHungLo does not fuck around :2 cents:

Yep, that's what I'm going to do.

But even if it clears (which I'll be happy about), he still was likely going to scam me, hence the warning thread. He lied about not having access to my funds (now that we know that E-CHECK is the method of refund, it means he did in fact withdraw my funds to his bank) and therefore never intended to send me the Paxum.

Hmm... So... You send $$$ to somebody with no funds in PayPal... He has funds in Paxum.

PayPal charges him to receive the funds.

You want a refund...

He refunds... Does PayPal reimburse him the fees? If not, 4% of your money would need to come from his funding resource (his bank account)...

Been a long time since I refunded somebody with PayPal... So just thinking out loud here.

I am going to guess that this actually has more to do with moving money across the pond than anything else.

I see the OP says he sent $275 so I assume he sent USD. I see the refund is 198.42 British.

The statiztics guy says that the money was never made available to him, this might have been due to the conversiuon process. The OP says he was told by a PP guy that it was refunded as an e-check. It has been my experience that in the PP dashboard an e-check transaction will be identified as such so maybe the PP guy is giving bad info.

So, my guess that somewhere in the converting back and forth that the money is in motion.

Just in my opinion of course.

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Actually it was me who paid the fee. He 'may' have paid a fee to receive the money.

I asked the agent on the phone about this and he confirmed that if a refund was issued in our particular case, meaning me paying with my PP balance, that any fee he would have had to pay would have been null and the refund would have happened automatically.


But thanks for trying to solve and help out with this particular problem.

I've refunded a few people from all over the world who got their money instantly. Similarly, I've been refunded from different countries and gotten my refund instantly as well.

I can't say that what you are saying is not a possibility, but it seems like a long shot. We'll see though.

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I think the money is pending due in part to time differences. If you were being ripped off, no one would come here to defend themselves.

I got an eCheck refund and it was from Massachusetts to Massachusetts banks. It was less than $25 but it was pending for five days. Emailed PayPal and they responded that though funds clear in a day, they often encounter a backlog of eChecks owed. Sometimes there is a bank glitch with computers or they’re waiting for funds to clear from the other party’s accounts.

With interest rates at one percent, they’re not holding money to make bank from interest.

I’m not familiar with Paxum but if you sent PayPal via your balance or bank account, why wasn’t it returned in cash to you? The eCheck option is a little odd.

You learned a lesson. Next time ask who can do it, then ask for references publicly. That’s a great idea for a website and earning attempt. Advertise that you do exchanges with every money outlet and feature comments and references . I’m sure others need this service. Just be sure you have money to cover your losses if they happen and screen potential customers. IP check, email check, location check,etc.

I’d do it but legally I can’t.

I'm tired of this. This is so unfair.
I DO NOT have your funds mopek1. This Paypal account is used daily for my ebay business. That however is not my main business - sports trading is.
Do you honestly think I would consider it smart ruining my 16 year account here for £200?
My liability on one lay on the sports exchanges is several times this amount.

You have the audacity to comment that outrage is used to distract from the facts.
Too right I am angry.

i kind of believe you, its just that paypal sucks, thats all.

I asked the Paypal agent about that. He said it had nothing to do with time differences or region of where the funds are coming from. I also mentioned that I've initiated refunds and received refunds from all over the world multiple times. In EACH case, the refund was instant. So I don't belive this theory.

Except he isn't defending himself. He is simply repeating the denial of what he is being accused of and NOT ENGAGING in any of the points that are being made. That is not defending, that is putting up a front to distract from the issue.



Like I said, I spoke to the agent about that. He CONFIRMED that the other person did NOT have enough in their account to cover the refund. And like I said, I've done several of these before with no issue from around thew world.

I agree. They are not holding the money. It is in the sellers bank. The agent CONFIRMED that.

It is not only odd but not possible. It should have been returned in cash. PPs website AND Pps agent said that in all cases it is returned in cash. When it is not, it is because the funds are not available in the seller's account.

This is why I am so sure of my arguments.

I did learn a lesson.

You don't engage in the argument.

You only repeat yourself over and over without taking on any of the points mentioned or trying to explain away any of the discrepancies.

I could have started this thread and cried how unfair everything is and made myself out to be a victim and sounded offedned etc. but instea I'm trying to lay down facts and have a rational argument.

You can be tired all you want. Facts don't lie.

Donald Chump would disagree with you!


This is the reason i dont use PayPal for any reason, i see so many posts about issues with them, here and on other boards.

I think you missunderstand some facts about paypal payments.

if you send money to a business account this money will never be available at the other side
right away. actually it is after 4 weeks avaiable.

otherwize you need to send the money to "friends and family" and then it is available on the other end nearly realtime.

the problem on "friend and family" is that you can not call back such a transaction.

why don´t you guys simply use something like transferwise ?

you have a real account there what you can use like any other account
you get a ATM card
you can exchange money within a millisecond at a rate that no bank gives you
you can transfer money to any physical account in the world in the currency you want with VERY low fees and in high speed.
and if you once understand their system it is very easy to use.

honestly i am doing most of my international transactions with them and safe more time and money as before.

correct - it is a piece of shit but unfortunately widely used and it gives you high security when you buy something. but apart from that it is the most unfriendly company I know and acting like you deal with their money and not with yours.

if i would be able i would FUCK THEM.

Who is going to fill that void in your head once Trump is out of office?

I thinking about getting transferwise but the thing is i simply have too much bad experience with systems which are not actual bank so i kind a hesitate.

Yep i dislike PayPal. Years ago around 2000 i had a design company in Budapest do some work for me. The total amount was $5000 which they requested i send via Pay Pal. After about 7 days they, the design company, asked where the payment was. I contacted PayPal who said they are holding the money as the company in Budapest was not allowed to have an account in that country ? Long story short they never got the money from PayPal and i never got the money back. $5000 down the drain. I paid the design company via Western Union but never got my refund from PayPal !

I sent it via the "Friend" option so like you said it should have been available in realtime. And it was as the agent on the phone from PPal confirmed to me.





I didn't know about them, but thanks for the recommendation.