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Mutt 08-19-2014 04:53 AM

Before Darwin Where Did Atheists/Agnostics Think Humans Came From?
 
For those people on earth who didn't believe in a God/Creator prior to Darwin's theory of evolution what were their ideas/beliefs for the origin of humans?

sarettah 08-19-2014 04:56 AM

The Stork. :thumbsup

http://www.madspiders.com/images/thestork.jpg

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Arnox 08-19-2014 04:56 AM

There was no scientific theory at the time, and a lot of people believed in God precisely because no plausible alternative explanations existed that were consistent with a non-god explanation.

beerptrol 08-19-2014 05:02 AM

They probably kept their beliefs to themselves for fear of being labeled a heretic by the religious

PR_Glen 08-19-2014 05:49 AM

since when do beliefs ever require fact and reason behind them?

Mutt 08-19-2014 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20197137)
since when do beliefs ever require fact and reason behind them?

Who said they did?

In the absence of science any belief is possible, for rational men the presence of convincing scientific evidence closed the book on the origin of the species.

MaDalton 08-19-2014 07:05 AM

it's called age of enlightment

trevesty 08-19-2014 07:14 AM

I've seen a few academics suggest that deism and pantheism were likely atheists without the evidence. Both can easily be "atheistic" as long as you take out the deity part, and would be pretty plausible alternatives to the typical Protestant / Catholic views.

trevesty 08-19-2014 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20197137)
since when do beliefs ever require fact and reason behind them?

Atheism isn't a belief system. Humanism, Buddhism(without Karma and reincarnation), Satanism, etc., are some belief systems that atheist may subscribe to.

trevesty 08-19-2014 07:20 AM

Further, atheists are a big bunch. A person doesn't really need scientific evidence to lack a belief in any deities. You just .... gotta lack a belief in any and all deities. It's that simple.

Now... rational people, however, would probably err on the side of caution before Darwin and subscribe to something like deism if anything, as it made more sense given the known evidence at the time.

editeur 08-19-2014 07:33 AM

Atheists/Agnostics just didn't afraid to recognize that they don't know. Because people invented the God precisely because they afraid of this feeling of unknown.

wehateporn 08-19-2014 07:41 AM


CaptainHowdy 08-19-2014 07:44 AM

Before Darwin's theory of evolution there wasn't a Darwin's theory of evolution ....

rogueteens 08-19-2014 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by trevesty (Post 20197195)
Atheism isn't a belief system.

I'm an atheist but it IS a belief system, no-one can totally disprove god, for example some people now think that the universe is an experiment or even a computer simulation, which if so means that whoever created that becomes god. It's even possible that there is a "traditional" god that takes a far further back seat than religion has us believe. I don't believe any of that, I believe in a scientific rationale behind everything but that doesn't mean that I or anyone can disprove god.

editeur 08-19-2014 09:49 AM

Nope, not believing in something is not believing. See more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

MaDalton 08-19-2014 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by rogueteens (Post 20197344)
I'm an atheist but it IS a belief system, no-one can totally disprove god, for example some people now think that the universe is an experiment or even a computer simulation, which if so means that whoever created that becomes god. It's even possible that there is a "traditional" god that takes a far further back seat than religion has us believe. I don't believe any of that, I believe in a scientific rationale behind everything but that doesn't mean that I or anyone can disprove god.

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NewOldPlayer 08-19-2014 12:32 PM

Evolution is not a 'belief' it's a scientific fact.

Did you know when you were in the womb, you developed a full blown tail and had a set of gills? The tail then was reabsorbed and the tail bone stop developing and is now your coccyx. The gills you developed are all but gone, one gill still remains and that gill tract is now called your eustachian tube, that connects your throat to your ear.

That's just a couple of tid bits for you "Evolution is a crock of shit"" folks to chew on today.

oh, and at minimum, 60% of our DNA is identical with plants!! Not just other mammals, but with plants!! Mammals have a much higher %, chimpanzees share 99% of our DNA. Very subtle changes in the genetic code makes the differences you see with your eyes, but we are all essentially the same beings.

All life comes from the same building blocks, DNA. Primitive man never knew about DNA and how we all evolved so the easiest way to answer all the questions was to look up at the sky and say "Golly gee, must be a God that created all of this."

How many hundreds and hundreds of Gods has man had thru the centuries? Too many. The God you believe in has a great deal to do with when and where you were born.

Gods will come and go with time, but science is forever.

aka123 08-19-2014 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20197226)

LOL. Missing link. There even shouldn't be a link there, as we haven't evolved from Neanderthals. This stupidity really gets new heights, it isn't even funny anymore.

MaDalton 08-19-2014 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20197569)
LOL. Missing link. There even shouldn't be a link there, as we haven't evolved from Neanderthals. This stupidity really gets new heights, it isn't even funny anymore.

you have to ignore him - otherwise you want to bang your head on the desk

trevesty 08-19-2014 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogueteens (Post 20197344)
I'm an atheist but it IS a belief system, no-one can totally disprove god, for example some people now think that the universe is an experiment or even a computer simulation, which if so means that whoever created that becomes god. It's even possible that there is a "traditional" god that takes a far further back seat than religion has us believe. I don't believe any of that, I believe in a scientific rationale behind everything but that doesn't mean that I or anyone can disprove god.

Atheism isn't a belief system. Those "some people" who think the universe is an experiment or even a computer simulation - that BELIEF is a belief system, just like any religion. An atheist who is also a humanist would have a belief system - humanism. Atheism isn't a belief system just like theism isn't a belief system. I'm not sure how logically one arrives at the idea that a word which is defined as "the lack of a belief in a deity" is somehow a belief system. It isn't. A belief system is a system in which morals and other guiding factors for living may be found - humanism, Buddhism, any of the major Abrahamic religions, etc. Atheism is quite simply the lack of belief in any deities - that isn't a belief system - at all - it is simply stating a matter of fact.

Also, anti-theism and atheism are two separate things. I'm atheist as well, but I'm an evidence-based person who relies on hard data rather than feel good shit. If hard, empirical data comes to light that any of the thousands of deities out there exist, guess I better convert.

ilnjscb 08-19-2014 03:10 PM

Probably they had the good sense to doubt what they couldn't see with their eyes, and were skeptical because of the actions of the "holy" people, and the evils perpetrated in the name of religion. The scientific method is just another of many excellent reasons to deny the validity of organized religion. But, before Darwin came, and you had a big crowd around you, you kept your mouth shut so no one stuck a red hot poker up your ass to "save your soul".

wehateporn 08-19-2014 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20197569)
LOL. Missing link. There even shouldn't be a link there, as we haven't evolved from Neanderthals. This stupidity really gets new heights, it isn't even funny anymore.


Si 08-19-2014 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20197226)

Aliens, obviously.

wehateporn 08-19-2014 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Si (Post 20197756)
Aliens, obviously.


aka123 08-19-2014 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20197752)

http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/i...559b0a0f/l.jpg

http://www.oldmagazinearticles.com/i...ullbinding.jpg

OMG!! Aliens!! Or just some stupid humans. Google "skull binding" and you can find more that shit. The first example is about skull flattening (with stone, etc.).

aka123 08-19-2014 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20197763)

Nice one, did you paint it with fingerpaints, all by yourself?

wehateporn 08-19-2014 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20197764)
http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/i...559b0a0f/l.jpg

http://www.oldmagazinearticles.com/i...ullbinding.jpg

OMG!! Aliens!! Or just some stupid humans. Google "skull binding" and you can find more that shit. The first example is about skull flattening (with stone, etc.).


aka123 08-19-2014 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20197785)


Si 08-19-2014 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20197763)

That solves everything.

rogueteens 08-19-2014 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by trevesty (Post 20197727)
Atheism isn't a belief system. Those "some people" who think the universe is an experiment or even a computer simulation - that BELIEF is a belief system, just like any religion. An atheist who is also a humanist would have a belief system - humanism. Atheism isn't a belief system just like theism isn't a belief system. I'm not sure how logically one arrives at the idea that a word which is defined as "the lack of a belief in a deity" is somehow a belief system. It isn't. A belief system is a system in which morals and other guiding factors for living may be found - humanism, Buddhism, any of the major Abrahamic religions, etc. Atheism is quite simply the lack of belief in any deities - that isn't a belief system - at all - it is simply stating a matter of fact.

Also, anti-theism and atheism are two separate things. I'm atheist as well, but I'm an evidence-based person who relies on hard data rather than feel good shit. If hard, empirical data comes to light that any of the thousands of deities out there exist, guess I better convert.

atheists (like me) cannot prove there is no god, therefore it is a belief.

NewOldPlayer 08-19-2014 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20197785)

Dam! you found it!!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SXI9xWkTQe...y+Sleestak.jpg

aka123 08-20-2014 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogueteens (Post 20198085)
atheists (like me) cannot prove there is no god, therefore it is a belief.

Facts work fact basis, not excluding everyhing else out to filter facts.

So there is no need to prove god's unexistence. If hypothesis is that there is god, there is need to prove god's existence. Other way around doing science would be practically impossible.

MaDalton 08-20-2014 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by rogueteens (Post 20198085)
atheists (like me) cannot prove there is no god, therefore it is a belief.

this is how the flying spaghetti monster got invented.

xato 08-20-2014 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20198235)
this is how the flying spaghetti monster got invented.

It is real!
http://www.venganza.org/images/th_FSM3d.jpg

My favorite type of god. :winkwink:

MaDalton 08-20-2014 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by xato (Post 20198247)
It is real!
http://www.venganza.org/images/th_FSM3d.jpg

My favorite type of god. :winkwink:

:thumbsup :thumbsup

http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictur...3b_4405202.jpg

this sounds much more logical actually than creating Eva from Adams rib - just saying

Choopa Phil 08-20-2014 07:03 AM

http://www.troll.me/images/ancient-a...ient-alien.jpg

PornDiscounts-V 08-20-2014 07:14 AM

They didn't think about it. Instead they created shit like buggies, plows and other shit.

xato 08-20-2014 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20198342)
:thumbsup :thumbsup

http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictur...3b_4405202.jpg

this sounds much more logical actually than creating Eva from Adams rib - just saying

Absolutely :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

trevesty 08-20-2014 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogueteens (Post 20198085)
atheists (like me) cannot prove there is no god, therefore it is a belief.

The lack of a belief in any deities isn't a belief, or a belief system. It is simply stating a matter of fact. Philosophers smarter than you or I have debated this topic for over a century, and I'm just regurgitating what they've said(and summarizing). Atheism also doesn't attempt to disprove or prove anything. Again, it is simply stating "I lack any belief in any deities". That's it. Quit complicating it and confusing it.

You're thinking anti-theism I'm assuming.

rogueteens 08-20-2014 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by trevesty (Post 20198512)
Atheism also doesn't attempt to disprove or prove anything. Again, it is simply stating "I lack any belief in any deities". That's it. Quit complicating it and confusing it.

Yes, exactly. without proof it becomes a belief.


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