Until birth abortion now legal in New York - up to 9 months old (video)

[Bladewire]

This is so sad. It's now legal to kill a full grown baby as long as it hasn't come out of the uterus, this includes while the mother is in labor.

In college ethics class we got extra credit to watch a video about partial birth abortion. We were warned that once you see something like that you never forget it.

Who would kill a full grown baby inside themselves? So sad

New York passes law allowing abortions at any time

New York state has enacted strong new legal protections for abortion rights. The new law, signed by Governor Andrew Cuomo on Tuesday, safeguards rights laid out in Roe v. Wade and other court rulings, including a provision permitting late-term abortions when a woman's health is endangered, The Associated Press reports. The state's previous law, which had been on the books for nearly 50 years, only permitted abortions after 24 weeks of pregnancy if a woman's life was at risk.

Governor Cuomo celebrated the passing of the bill in the Democrat-led Senate and Assembly on Tuesday, which happened to be the 46th anniversary of the Roe decision. "In the face of a federal government intent on rolling back Roe v. Wade and women's reproductive rights, I promised that we would enact this critical legislation within the first 30 days of the new session — and we got it done," Cuomo said in a statement. He directed state landmarks like the spire of One World Trade Center to be lit up in pink to "shine a bright light forward for the rest of the nation to follow."

"We're saying here in New York, women's lives matter. We're saying here in New York, women's decisions matter," Senate Majority Leader Andrea Stewart-Cousins said.

Sarah Weddington, the Texas attorney who successfully argued Roe before Supreme Court, was at Cuomo's side when he signed the Reproductive Health Act into law.

"Thank you for what you've done for women," Weddington told the governor, lawmakers and advocates.

The Reproductive Health Act replaces a 1970 state abortion law that was passed three years before Roe legalized abortion nationwide.

The new law moves the section of state law dealing with abortion from the penal code to health statutes. It also authorizes midwives and physician assistants to perform some abortions, CBS New York reports.

Abortion rights supporters pushed for years to update the law. When Democrats gained control of the state Senate this year, the act became easier to pass in both chambers. Supporters said the election of President Donald Trump and the nomination of conservative justices helped galvanize efforts to pass this law.

Republicans who opposed the bill offered proposals to create new legal penalties for harming pregnant women. Some critics argued the bill could make it harder for prosecutors to bring charges when a woman is assaulted and loses her pregnancy, the AP reports, although Democrats disputed that. Some opponents also predicted the bill will lead to more late-term abortions.

According to the New York State Department of Health, 285,127 induced abortions occurred in the state between 2012 and 2014. The average number of live births for the same three years was 237,499. Nationwide, the vast majority of abortions take place in the first trimester.

The AP reports nine other states including California, Washington and Oregon have also put protections for abortion rights in their state statutes, to preserve legal access in those states if Roe is overturned.

Editor's note: The headline on this story has been changed to more accurately describe the new law.

[King Mark]

Disgusting

[CaptainHowdy]

That´s harsh :/ . . .

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

Disgusting

I agree. So sad

[Rochard]

That's horrible.

[directfiesta]

This is really wrong , unless it is to save the mother's life .

Why re-open an issue that was resolved ?

[crockett]

That's too long. Unless there is risk to the mother dying then that's way too far along.

I'm ok with early term abortion but there gas to be a reasonable cut off unless it's a risk to the mother or its 100% sure there is severe defects to the child.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Why re-open an issue that was resolved ?

This is an update of a state law to protect abortion rights in New York if Roe vs Wade is overturned. It's a states rights issue.

[seeandsee]

that is murder

[pimpmaster9000]

why would any woman wait that long?!?!...why go through 9 months of shit when you can get rid of it at like 2-3 months??...makes no sense at all...I am pro abortion but this 9 month old stuff is just fucked up...

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Governor Cuomo celebrated the passing of the bill in the Democrat-led Senate and Assembly on Tuesday

Someday you'll realize the degeneracy of your party.

The democrats have been taken over by left wing radicals. If I told you that democrats wanted to be able kill 9 month old fetuses you would all call it bullshit.

I guess we can add baby killing to the list of fucked up shit democrats want.

baby killing.
open borders.
9 yr old tranny kids getting pumped full of hormones.

Real sick stuff.

[mce]

New ultrasound technology is shedding light on the true state of fetuses....

Seems like NY state is baiting the US Supreme Court to revisit abortion law in the US

[ghjghj]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

kill 9 month olds

They are advocating in the open for something they do in secret.

[ghjghj]

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

S

I guess we can add baby killing to the list of fucked up shit democrats want.

You're a fucking asshole.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

You're a fucking asshole.

Dude...see what I mean. In total denial. It's right there!!!!

Governor Cuomo celebrated the passing of the bill in the Democrat-led Senate and Assembly on Tuesday

A 9 month old baby is not a clump of cells the size of a pea you moron. That is baby killing.

[ghjghj]

[King Mark]

What's the official onehung stance on abortion? I don't think you've ever shared your view.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

that is murder

Trap music is also murder . . .

[ghjghj]

[King Mark]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Trap music is also murder . . .

Which trap? The original melanated version or the copycat neanderthug version?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Dude...see what I mean. In total denial. It's right there!!!!

Governor Cuomo celebrated the passing of the bill in the Democrat-led Senate and Assembly on Tuesday

A 9 month old baby is not a clump of cells the size of a pea you moron. That is baby killing.

But if it's a black baby, Mexican baby, muslim baby or retarded baby, you are fine with it

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by ghjghj

All´s fair in love and postcount . . .

[ghjghj]

Automation isn't fair

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

What's the official onehung stance on abortion? I don't think you've ever shared your view.

I'm prochoice for very early-term abortions. I think the cut off should be 2 to 3 months tops.

[ghjghj]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

I think the cut off should be 2 to 3 months tops.

I think it should be noon the day after.

[Cyber Fucker]

Sick world we live in.

[tony286]

Why you are just making shit up? They arent going to kill 9 month old fetuses, but wait fox news said it. Also people should learn what was like before abortion was legal. People still had them.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

But if it's a black baby, Mexican baby, muslim baby or retarded baby, you are fine with it

Nope. wrong again.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Nope. wrong again.

So you are pro retarded babies that take a lifetime of public care and resources? Bullshit

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by tony286

Why you are just making shit up? They arent going to kill 9 month old fetuses, but wait fox news said it. Also people should learn what was like before abortion was legal. People still had them.

The law states "up until baby's due date." So yeah, isn't that 9 months?

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

So you are pro retarded babies that take a lifetime of public care and resources? Bullshit

Well you proposed a loaded question. You added mexican and blacks babies (that's just you projecting - you and I both know you're the real racist here). As far aborting a baby with down syndrome, that's up to the parents. They can do diagnostic tests that can identify Down syndrome at 10-13 weeks into a pregnancy. That's within my scope of abortion.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

This is so sad. It's now legal to kill a full grown baby as long as it hasn't come out of the uterus, this includes while the mother is in labor.

That is bullshit.

The law was changed to allow an abortion after 24 weeks for a fetus that is nonviable, meaning the fetus is dead or will shortly die on it's own.

That is not a healthy nine month fetus.

Are you in favor of a woman having to carry a dead, or dying, fetus in her uterus until full term? Currently many states do require that. The New York state law that was replaced required that.

The new law allows an abortion after 24 weeks for the woman's life being in danger or a nonviable fetus. It does not just allow wholesale abortion after 24 weeks.

But go ahead and spin out Fox News bullshit for them all you want.



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[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Well you proposed a loaded question. You added mexican and blacks babies (that's just you projecting - you and I both know you're the real racist here). As far aborting a baby with down syndrome, that's up to the parents. They can do diagnostic tests that can identify Down syndrome at 10-13 weeks into a pregnancy. That's within my scope of abortion.

So if a young black woman is pregnant with a retarded baby but doesn't find out until 8 months along because she couldn't afford to go to the doctor and get the test, you would not allow her to get the baby aborted if you were the father of the retarded baby?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by sarettah

That is bullshit.

The law was changed to allow an abortion after 24 weeks for a fetus that is nonviable, meaning the fetus is dead or will shortly die on it's own.

That is not a healthy nine month fetus.

Are you in favor of a woman having to carry a dead, or dying, fetus in her uterus until full term? Currently many states do require that. The New York state law that was replaced required that.

The new law allows an abortion after 24 weeks for the woman's life being in danger or a nonviable fetus. It does not just allow wholesale abortion after 24 weeks.

But go ahead and spin out Fox News bullshit for them all you want.



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"The new law moves the section of state law dealing with abortion from the penal code to health statutes. It also authorizes midwives and physician assistants to perform abortions"

Not only can a baby be killed up to 9 months legally, a "midwife" can perform the abortion.

If you want to kill the baby , up until it's due date, go-to your local midwife and say you can't handle the stress & anxiety of the pregnancy and feel suicidal. The midwife can legally give you the abortion on the babies due date, no later.

[sarettah]

In the late spring of 2016, Erika Christensen was thirty-one weeks pregnant, and found out that the baby she was carrying would be unable to survive outside the womb. Her doctor told her that he was “incompatible with life.” Christensen and her husband wanted a child desperately—they called him Spartacus, because of how hard he seemed to be fighting—but she decided, immediately, to terminate the pregnancy: if the child was born, he would suffer, and would not live long; she wanted to minimize his suffering to whatever extent she could.

Christensen lived in New York, a state where, since 2014, an estimated twenty-five to twenty-seven per cent of pregnancies end in abortion. Abortion was legalized in New York in 1970, three years before the Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade. Abortion was a crime in most other states; in New York, it became a crime with major exceptions. It is still regulated in the criminal code, and, Christensen learned, it is a crime in New York if an abortion is performed after a woman is twenty-four weeks pregnant, unless the mother’s life is in immediate jeopardy. Even though the baby in her womb would not be able to live outside of it, she would have to go elsewhere to have an abortion.

Politicians had been attempting for nearly a decade to pass a law called the Reproductive Health Act, which would remove abortion from New York’s criminal code and codify the protections of Roe v. Wade, which affirms a woman’s right to an abortion, with limits, in state law. The R.H.A. had been approved multiple times by the Democrat-controlled state assembly, but it had never passed the state senate, which was controlled by Republicans.

Christensen and her medical team made arrangements for her to travel to Colorado, where abortion is essentially regulated like any other medical procedure. With help from her mother, she scrounged up more than ten thousand dollars to pay for the procedure and the trip. In Boulder, a doctor named Warren Hern administered an injection that stopped her baby’s heart but prevented her from bleeding and going into labor. Afterward, while waiting for her flight, she could not help feeling as if what she’d done was shameful and illegal. She flew back to New York and had a physically excruciating stillbirth at a hospital.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...nd-how-it-wont

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[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

If you want to kill the baby , up until it's due date, go-to your local midwife and say you can't handle the stress & anxiety of the pregnancy and feel suicidal. The midwife can legally give you the abortion on the babies due date, no later.

That is not an example of a woman's life in danger from a pregnancy, just for the record. That is a womman's life in danger from depression or anxiety.

The "woman's life in danger" part was already part of the law. That did not really change. That more practicioners are allowed to perform the procedure is a change but those practicioners are still held to the ethics standard.

The big change is that a NONVIABLE pregnancy can be terminated. That is a major, important change for any woman who has had a child die or become deadly ill while in the uterus.

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[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by sarettah

The "woman's life in danger" part was already part of the law. That did not really change. That more practicioners are allowed to perform the procedure is a change but those practicioners are still held to the ethics standard.

The big change is that a NONVIABLE pregnancy can be terminated. That is a major, important change for any woman who has had a child die or become deadly ill while in the uterus.

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A healthy baby can be killed on it's due date if the mother feels suicidal. That's the law

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

So if a young black woman is pregnant with a retarded baby but doesn't find out until 8 months along because she couldn't afford to go to the doctor and get the test, you would not allow her to get the baby aborted if you were the father of the retarded baby?

Why would they not find out till 8 months? It's standard testing.

And yes I wouldn't kill an 8 month old baby under any circumstances.

[astronaut x]

In some cases, it sounds like a good idea....

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

A healthy baby can be killed on it's due date if the mother feels suicidal. That's the law

No, that is not the law. Prove it. Show me where it says that. The law has been published, go get it, read it and show me where it says that. It doesn't.

I am so surprised that a gay man, a member of a population that had to fight like hell to get their life de-criminalized, had to fight like hell to get the basic right to exist as they are, would have so little regard for a woman to have the right to control what happens to her body.

This is a post from someone a couple of years ago, on Facebook:

I am very thankful that after learning that my daughter had passed away in utero at 16 weeks, I was given the option to have an ABORTION to spare me the pain of carrying her until my body decided to go into labor.

Oh, and that other time that I had an ABORTION, was when baby A, of my twin sons, developed an infection and died inside of me at 20 weeks and I signed paperwork saying that I was ABORTING two babies just weeks before the legal cut off in Virginia, knowing full well that they could not save baby B, but also knowing that I was at risk of going septic with every passing minute.

So I am thankful for that. I'm thankful for that right. And I'm thankful that I know that "abortion" is a term used for MANY types of termination of pregnancy, but they all fall under the same right.

Oh, and also...NO ONE IS SMILING AFTER THEIR ABORTION.

That is what this law is mainly about. Moving abortion from the criminal statutes into the medical realm.

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[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

A healthy baby can be killed on it's due date if the mother feels suicidal. That's the law

You're right, that's why the law is pretty vague.

"So the measure will make late-term abortions legal at the discretion of a health-care practitioner based on the viability of the fetus or if the woman's life or health is in jeopardy."

It gives the healthcare provider, which could be a midwife, total discretion.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by sarettah

That is what this law is mainly about. Moving abortion from the criminal statutes into the medical realm.

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Yeah I've posted that already. It's about making abortion a states right so abortion won't be illegal when Roe vs Wade is overturned.

I'm a pro choice blue dog Democrat and you're attacking me on this abortion issue as if I was a pro life Trump supporter

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Yeah I've posted that already. It's about making abortion a states right so abortion won't be illegal when Roe vs Wade is overturned.

That is not the only reson. It recognizes that Abortion is a medical procedure and should not be handled by just a criminal statute as it was.

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[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by sarettah

That is not the only reson. It recognizes that Abortion is a medical procedure and should not be handled by just a criminal statute as it was.

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Yes I know. Now killing a 9 month baby inside you by legal abortion isn't punishable by the penal code, this takes it out of the Roe vs Wade federal jurisdiction.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Yes I know. Now killing a 9 month baby inside you by legal abortion isn't punishable by the penal code, this takes it out of the Roe vs Wade federal jurisdiction.

I will repeat:

I am so surprised that a gay man, a member of a population that had to fight like hell to get their life de-criminalized, had to fight like hell to get the basic right to exist as they are, would have so little regard for a woman to have the right to control what happens to her body.

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[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

Disgusting

Indeed...

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by CyberSISSY

Indeed...

"In 1920, Russian Soviet Republic became the first country in the world to allow abortion in all circumstances"

[wehateporn]

Firstly well done to Bladewire for seeing sense and opposing this, I had expected this to be a celebration thread, so it is a big relief to see it is not.

Secondly, it is time to boycott New York in every way you possibly can, The City of Satan, start today.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by sarettah

I will repeat:

I am so surprised that a gay man, a member of a population that had to fight like hell to get their life de-criminalized, had to fight like hell to get the basic right to exist as they are, would have so little regard for a woman to have the right to control what happens to her body.

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What part of me being pro-choice do you not understand?

It's every humans right to control their body.

That doesn't mean I have to like a woman killing a 7 month old baby inside her, or 9 month old baby. Or her right to give birth to a baby she knows is going to be severely retarded.

Being able to do what you like with your body doesn't preclude being responsible for your body.