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Old 09-02-2010, 10:10 PM   #301
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:13 PM   #303
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I wonder if any companies are going to rush epass payments to empty their accounts asap. Putting the epass risk on their affiliates.
that'd be a dick move, no reason to tick off your affiliates like that unless you don't want any left.
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:14 PM   #304
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I only get paid by a couple of sponsors though epass, and only use epass to pay for services that people need epass payments for, gallery designs, submit passes, ect.... Unfortunately I was letting funds just build up all year pretty much.

I would hate to lose the funds. What a bummer, and a bad time to "save" up my money for a rainy day. Guess my paid submit spots will have to wait.
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:15 PM   #305
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epass wallet transfers are fine, then they can request a wire out..
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:16 PM   #306
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:17 PM   #307
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LOL stop it your killing me here dude
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:22 PM   #308
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I wonder if any companies are going to rush epass payments to empty their accounts asap. Putting the epass risk on their affiliates.
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After 15 years in this biz, I have never seen one company that lost there visa or mastercard ever pay webmasters. Best thing to do, is screen shot your loss and when tax time comes take it as a loss. I just had a sponsor pay me a pretty decent payment I just got it this morning and when I went to pay for dinner tonight and my card was declined, I was like oh well another done went south.
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Can someone please summarize what, if anything, we CAN do with our funds in Epassporte at this time?
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Can someone please summarize what, if anything, we CAN do with our funds in Epassporte at this time?
You can't do anything right now unless it is in your Wallet. Aside from that, you can wait.
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Maybe the movie had something to do with it??
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Can someone please summarize what, if anything, we CAN do with our funds in Epassporte at this time?
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:29 PM   #315
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After 15 years in this biz, I have never seen one company that lost there visa or mastercard ever pay webmasters. Best thing to do, is screen shot your loss and when tax time comes take it as a loss. I just had a sponsor pay me a pretty decent payment I just got it this morning and when I went to pay for dinner tonight and my card was declined, I was like oh well another done went south.
I'd like to be optimistic, but I'm pretty sure we're all fucked at this point
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:30 PM   #317
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that'd be a dick move, no reason to tick off your affiliates like that unless you don't want any left.
The money won't transfer unless you have it set to go to your wallet and you still have the ability to get money out of that via a bank transfer, so it wouldn't be the end of the world. I think the ones that might be completely fucked (the people with funds in their Virtual Visa) are already in the shitter.
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:30 PM   #318
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You dont just have your massive visa account closed and have absolutely no clue what is going on. That is a truckload of bullshit right there.

Something is seriously fucked up here and each and everyone of us has lost every cent we have in epassporte.
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Guess I'll spend the night changing a bunch of sponsors back to checks.

Everything incoming goes right into the Virtual Visa account. Obviously can't have that. How about allowing incoming funds to go directly into the Wallet? I suppose it doesnt work like that. Or does it?

I withdrew from an ATM $360 Wed about 5pm. (30 hours ago) Guess I just made it.

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You dont just have your massive visa account closed and have absolutely no clue what is going on. That is a truckload of bullshit right there.

Something is seriously fucked up here and each and everyone of us has lost every cent we have in epassporte.
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hope this gets resolved in a timely manner, luckily i have my epass set up to put moneys in my wallet. Only 130 & 49 left in virtual.

Ill be in touch today with michael to get wire transfers set up.

Lets hope this gets solved really fucking fast else we gonna see peeps in this industry going out left and right.
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:36 PM   #323
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You dont just have your massive visa account closed and have absolutely no clue what is going on. That is a truckload of bullshit right there.

Something is seriously fucked up here and each and everyone of us has lost every cent we have in epassporte.
They knew this was coming. Only 24 hours ago they lowered limits you could withdraw to $1k max if I recall. I had it set to more but they superceded it yesterday.
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i never used epass, but you guys gotta remember epass is a big company, with millions of USD$$ in that "locked account"

Visa just doesnt close big accounts.. epass is HUGE, as in they move millions a day... my best guess is the US govt got involved and is here to spoil things..

Im guessing this cuz i know some people can actually use epass to avoid taxes easily....

Anyway, goodluck, but ive never seen visa freeze anything, then unfreeze it.. you guys cut your losses and move on..

Epass knew what was going on... Heck their ceo's probably had meetings with top visa guys, etc.. they just didnt wake up and see their account frozen... if an account with millions is going to get frozen, you better believe some top people are talking about it..

This is not going to get resolved fast... cut your losses and move on
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Guess I'll spend the night changing a bunch of sponsors back to checks.

Everything incoming goes right into the Virtual Visa account. Obviously can't have that. How about allowing incoming funds to go directly into the Wallet? I suppose it doesnt work like that. Or does it?

I withdrew from an ATM $360 Wed about 5pm. (30 hours ago) Guess I just made it.
In epass click on wallet and set it to receive incoming funds.
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SO the money on the virtual card can not be accessed? The money on the eWallet can?
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Of course Epass knows what's going on. Their rep on these forums just won't say shit because EVERYONE would take their money out of the wallet section as soon as they can, the company would collapse soon after.

The REALLY shitty thing from my perspective is that by default, money goes into the virtual visa section. So I have quite a few thousand affected by this. Cash which I need to pay hosting bills, buy food, pay rent. A huge clusterfuck.

There is no way Visa canceled them without some kind of notification. If affiliates/companies heard the real reason we'd see rats fleeing a sinking ship faster.
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For anyone that has money in Wallet and has no way to get it out with a bank or anything, I'll be glad to PayPal you the money for 75% of the ePass value, and send it to me.

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In epass click on wallet and set it to receive incoming funds.
Seriously thanks. I'll do that. That helps a lot. Then I dont have to chg all them sponsors to checks.

I did have two sponsors send epasses yesterday 9-2 that are now locked. But, I know I aint alone.

I'm just glad I got my ass up and went to the bank on Wed.

Edit: Set to Wallet.. Done. Easy enuf. They have been pushing the whole keep it safe in your wallet stuff for a while. Guess I should have done that earlier. But then you had to transfer out of Wallet to withdraw.. which is why i didnt go for the Wallet setting earlier.

Prob best to use the Wallet 100% and then only do occasional large transfers to your bank account. Dont use the card. Less back and forth that way and safer. (When this mess gets straightened out)

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Of course Epass knows what's going on. Their rep on these forums just won't say shit because EVERYONE would take their money out of the wallet section as soon as they can, the company would collapse soon after.

The REALLY shitty thing from my perspective is that by default, money goes into the virtual visa section. So I have quite a few thousand affected by this. Cash which I need to pay hosting bills, buy food, pay rent. A huge clusterfuck.

There is no way Visa canceled them without some kind of notification. If affiliates/companies heard the real reason we'd see rats fleeing a sinking ship faster.
right, and this will probably be the end of epass.. EVERYONE is trying to withdraw.. lets see how that works.. lets say they have $100 million in customer funds, by the time they process all the wires, they'll have $1million..

i dont see how anyone is not requesting a wire for the money in their wallet now.. when everyone rushes to withdraw money, shit will fail..
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Serously thanks. I'll do that. That helps a lot. Then I dont have to chg all them sponsors to checks.

I did have two sponsors send epasses today 9-2 that are now locked. But, I know I aint alone.

I'm just glad I got my ass up and went to the bank on Wed.
Yep, same here. I had a couple payouts come through this morning and now they are stuck.

Luckily I withdrew the rest of my money yesterday so it isn't as bad as it could be.
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right, and this will probably be the end of epass.. EVERYONE is trying to withdraw.. lets see how that works.. lets say they have $100 million in customer funds, by the time they process all the wires, they'll have $1million..

i dont see how anyone is not requesting a wire for the money in their wallet now.. when everyone rushes to withdraw money, shit will fail..
They capped it 24 hours before the announcement.
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Dont bother changing your shit to go to the wallet. No one can send money out of the visa accounts right now on epass (We thought maybe we could transfer money between accounts that way to get it from visa to wallet using a 2nd account as a buffer, but didn't work.), and no one will send you wallet funds as those are the only ones they have any hope of recovering again. I've only got $2270 in there, not nearly as much as some of my clients and friends have stuck in there, but you don't really find that laying on the street either.
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As for the funds, if they are in their bank account and they can move them (my understandment is that it was just a visa problem), all they have to do is write a check for the balance of each account and send it to the addresses on file for each account.

I dropped epass a while back when they went berserk with the document demands.

What will they do with the webmasters information (copies of IDs, passports, address, etc.) they gathered? If anyone demands it now I'm sure they will give it away for a chance of saving the business.

If the us government or someone else ever wanted a list of pornographers, gamblers, etc. It's their golden chance...
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WOW.... Just wow

Just got the heads up about this thread, I was busy working on a new project, came here and read all 7 pages (5 if you omit the trolls) and I'd love to be optimistic but I don't know if I can.

for everyone who mentioned the movie IF you were being serious... You really need to turn off the computer for awhile and take off the tinfoil hat, that's honestly the worst possible reason for this happening

For people asking WHY you can't move from wallet to visa This seems like a no brainer, VISA has SUSPENDED ALL CARDS, so therefore you can NOT pass money to something that in a sense is not there, or active. (that's how I see it)

for those blaming Michael loosen up and be thankful he's even jumping into the fire to try and help us all

To the trolls FUCK OFF! end of story

I'm pretty scared tbh This totally fucks up my life.

once my local bank account was shut down due to NSF (thanks to my divorce) Epass becamethe ONLY way I've handled my entire biz and personal life (those that think that is stupid need to srsly look at what Epass IS) Every single bill minus my rent is paid via Epass Electron card and my virtual visa card, the rent is paid by taking my Electron card to the ATM

All of my clients pay me via Epass, and the few sponsors I promote also pay me via Epass. etc etc etc

Now for the kicker, I lost my actual wallet about a year ago inside was my license, and social security card, I can NOT open a new bank account without BOTH of those items and I can't get those items replaced without one or the other PLUS a birth certificate the catch, I'm adopted, case is sealed and I've been denied a birth cert for over 15 years now. so all I have is an expired state ID card that works most times I'm carded BUT won't get me a new bank account....

All of this was diff prior to 9-11 mind you, but now after that you need allll sorts of extra papers to do damn near anything.

oh, and my Birthday is in 3 days AND all the bills are due

Hope this gets fixed, I have to call the Bank 2morrow and HOPE that my old biz account is still active so at least I can start asking for wires and checks for my pending deals.

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1. Micheal I withdrew money yesterday to my bank account is that going to go through?

2. Do you have an idea or time frame of when you think you guys will get people access to their money again?
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ya they knew about it.. like i said, u think an account with tens of millions just gets frozen.. no they know about it.. they are big boys.. visa/us gov/ all know about epassporte, so no freeze comes randomly
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WOW.... Just wow

Just got the heads up about this thread, I was busy working on a new project, came here and read all 7 pages (5 if you omit the trolls) and I'd love to be optimistic but I don't know if I can.

for everyone who mentioned the movie IF you were being serious... You really need to turn off the computer for awhile and take off the tinfoil hat, that's honestly the worst possible reason for this happening

For people asking WHY you can't move from wallet to visa This seems like a no brainer, VISA has SUSPENDED ALL CARDS, so therefore you can NOT pass money to something that in a sense is not there, or active. (that's how I see it)

for those blaming Michael loosen up and be thankful he's even jumping into the fire to try and help us all

To the trolls FUCK OFF! end of story

I'm pretty scared tbh This totally fucks up my life.

once my local bank account was shut down due to NSF (thanks to my divorce) Epass becamethe ONLY way I've handled my entire biz and personal life (those that think that is stupid need to srsly look at what Epass IS) Every single bill minus my rent is paid via Epass Electron card and my virtual visa card, the rent is paid by taking my Electron card to the ATM

All of my clients pay me via Epass, and the few sponsors I promote also pay me via Epass. etc etc etc

Now for the kicker, I lost my actual wallet about a year ago inside was my license, and social security card, I can NOT open a new bank account without BOTH of those items and I can't get those items replaced without one or the other PLUS a birth certificate the catch, I'm adopted, case is sealed and I've been denied a birth cert for over 15 years now. so all I have is an expired state ID card that works most times I'm carded BUT won't get me a new bank account....

All of this was diff prior to 9-11 mind you, but now after that you need allll sorts of extra papers to do damn near anything.

oh, and my Birthday is in 3 days AND all the bills are due

Hope this gets fixed, I have to call the Bank 2morrow and HOPE that my old biz account is still active so at least I can start asking for wires and checks for my pending deals.

-Loki-
sad to hear man. goodluck..
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:59 PM   #344
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Should have used Maestro network instead of Visa?
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Old 09-02-2010, 11:00 PM   #345
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Michael, please stop ignoring this question.

Please explain why funds can't be moved from virtual to wallet.
I always assumed that the Visa Virtual worked sort of like a prepaid debit card, and you were loading said prepaid card with money when you transferred it from the wallet to the VV.

So since that VV is now frozen, the money on it is rendered inaccessible.

Luckily I only have a few companies that pay me via epass because they don't offer any other international payments, and I only had $22 or so in my VV right now. I do hope that this gets resolved quickly, since the first few days of the month are when I usually do receive the few epass payments that I get.

I'm crossing my fingers that a solution is found sooner rather than later.
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Old 09-02-2010, 11:03 PM   #346
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We should take is easy on Michael, we're very fortunate to have someone like him that actually comes on this board to keep us all updated and answer questions. It's MUCH nicer than trying to talk to one of their foreign phone support people that you can barely understand, ha ha.

Thanks Michael, I'm one person that appreciates you !! In the couple of times I had issues, you took care of me right away and I'm sure you're doing what you can to help take care of the situation.
Very good advice. Never needed him personally, but everyone can see how commited he is to helping people.
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Old 09-02-2010, 11:03 PM   #347
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Maybe the movie had something to do with it??
Well, they could have brought undesired attention with some of the allegations I guess.

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You gotte be kidding, Shortcliffs??

SO the money on the virtual card can not be accessed? The money on the eWallet can?
Correct.
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anyone who actually gets a wire should update us..
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Well, they could have brought undesired attention with some of the allegations I guess.



Correct.
yup a movie like that is not good at all.. not good attention
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I ASSume you still can not transfer from Wallet to Bank acct. Which sort of makes the wallet useless too. Wallet just protects the money.

But maybe I am wrong.

Can you transfer from Wallet to Bank acccount? Or withdraw anyway from the Wallet?

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