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Old 09-03-2010, 11:14 AM   #951
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Anyone have funds in wallet and try to transfer it to your personal debit card (not epass visa electron card) and withdrew the money?

I wonder if this work. I have funds in wallet only.
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:15 AM   #952
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i am pretty sure if you call her she never received that phone call
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:17 AM   #953
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I don't believe in kicking people when they are down but apparently from your post you do. You appear to enjoy taking opportunities like this to point out that you are smarter and wiser and better off than others.
way too many fucking asshats like this on here.

Michael - you're doing a brilliant job. Props.
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:19 AM   #954
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Anyone have funds in wallet and try to transfer it to your personal debit card (not epass visa electron card) and withdrew the money?

I wonder if this work. I have funds in wallet only.
Hello ****,

Unfortunately, we do not offer a withdraw option to a credit card.

Sorry for the inconvenience,


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Wtf ?
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:20 AM   #955
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I guess it really comes down to where you are located. In the US checks don't cost a thing to deposit and its real easy to do. Chase bank even has an iphone app now that allows you to take a picture of your check and it deposits the funds into your account, so you don't even need to go to the bank to make the deposit. I love checks here in the US.
I have lost slightly more money banking with Chase than I have with epassporte right now, lol. Not trying to digress, just funny that you mention them.
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:21 AM   #956
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In Epass there is a withdraw to your personal debit card, not credit card. I don't know if there is a difference between a personal debit vs cc. Anyone?


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Unfortunately, we do not offer a withdraw option to a credit card.

Sorry for the inconvenience,


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Old 09-03-2010, 11:23 AM   #957
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Eight warnings over six months from us, and only they know how many other complaints.
Over and over they were told "you are stealing from all of your customers. You need to stop."
"You need to stop stealing from your customers, or someone will make you stop."
"People have the name and phone number of the regulator who can make you stop, does
someone really have to call her?" "People are going to complain to Visa if you don't refund
what you've stolen." We gave them every opportunity, months and months, to take care of it,
or hell at least make an excuse or something. How long do you go on with them saying
"yeah, we're stealing from everyone and we're going to keep doing it and fuck you all"?
Somebody was eventually going to bust their balls if they just wouldn't stop stealing from
all of us.

So what was stolen from you? The $35 annual fee, or the $35 card cost?
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:24 AM   #958
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So does this mean theres going to be a sequal to their movie they just put out?

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Old 09-03-2010, 11:25 AM   #959
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In Epass there is a withdraw to your personal debit card, not credit card. I don't know if there is a difference between a personal debit vs cc. Anyone?
a personal debit is usually tied to a checking or savings account .
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:26 AM   #960
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but why does that matter, you cant spend it.
I just got this email. Interesting? or risky?

-------- Original Message --------
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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:10:02 -0400
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As you've probably seen, Epassporte's bank was suspended yesterday. But
that did not impact the Epass "Wallet" which we are still using to conduct
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This weekend only, we're selling Predator licenses for $300 (a 25%
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:27 AM   #961
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so, does it mean there is no way to transfer money from epass and money got stack on epassporte for undefined period? omfg
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:31 AM   #962
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I belong to a financial community board and this is what is being said in regards to this.
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Epassporte functionality that some may not know of:

All money that are kept in Epassporte are NOT, Visa. The two has nothing to do with each other. The gimmicks with Virtual Visa etc. has nothing to do with Visa. All money are at all times kept in the very same bank that Epassporte works together with.

All money are kept in the bank, which Epassporte uses as their intermedia for Visa as they do not directly hold any Visa license.

Epassporte holds an Deposit-taking business license on St. Kitts.

Since the bank that works together with Visa has lost their license, which in turn is due to the new regulations, Epassporte cannot issue new cards before they:

A) Find a new bank

B) Get a direct license from Visa, which they wont as Visa only works directly together with Banks
Ok finally some reasonable specualtion..
Lets speculate further. Will the frozen $$ be released and follow us to this new bank? Or is it probably just gone.

Thats the million dollar question.
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:31 AM   #963
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So does this be added to the new movie about Epassporte coming out??

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Old 09-03-2010, 11:33 AM   #964
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IF (and that is a HUGE IF) Braz zers has absolutely nothing at all to do with this then I will be more then happy to apologize, as I have NEVER been one to shoot my mouth off, and WHENEVER I'm wrong I'm the first to admit me.

But spin this however you wish to spin this, it is a solid fact that Braz zers used EVERY SINGLE one of the services closed down / froze / investigated etc, they were the common thread to each of those places, that you can not deny however you can spin it.

The banks that were shut down DID tell their customers WHY they were being shut down.

But hey, like I said, IF I'm wrong and Visa is not locking down to further trace back money tied to Braz zers & Co. I will make a nice public apology

-Loki-
Many other companies have used all the services you mentioned simultaneously, would they be at fault as well?
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:34 AM   #965
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In Epass there is a withdraw to your personal debit card, not credit card. I don't know if there is a difference between a personal debit vs cc. Anyone?
would like to know that as well
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:34 AM   #966
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wait is raymor trying to take credit for this?
yes. that is correct sir.
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:39 AM   #967
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So how can a Canadian get access to the money now?
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1) turn yourself into a moose
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I'm on step 4 right now.

(and I don't even use epass, never have)


Since it's a long weekend I may have to repeat steps 2 & 3. :D
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:42 AM   #968
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Where exactly is our money now, in ePassporte's hands or in Visa's ?
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Canadians don't drink Labatt's.

We send all that horse piss down south for the US market.
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I don't understand why some people don't believe this will be resolved. If the VISA withdrew their licence from the bank in question that doesn't mean the money is lost, nor is it disappeared. If the funds are there in the bank and the bank is liquid then I don't see this unresolved.

Yes, it might take some time, but heck, it's better to take some time and get resolved than just all of the sudden everything shuts down. I am sure ePass is not joking around. The probably have tens of millions if not hundreds in people's accounts, so it's not easy to just decide to shut down and do nothing about the people's money. And even though it probably isn't ePass fault, they are still accountable for the money on people's accounts.

I sure for one hope this will be resolved, maybe not as soon as we think, but it'll be resolved! On one way or another!
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:43 AM   #971
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Where exactly is our money now, in ePassporte's hands or in Visa's ?
based on speculation posted by simple

its in epass hands
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It's amazing how many people this thread has drawn out of the woodwork.

For now I'm writing off the money.

I feel for those who had a lot on their Epass account.
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:44 AM   #973
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Errrr....did you go to their site? Nothing on it but a practically empty message board. That + spam from someone with a pretty new ICQ# = Their product must suck.
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:49 AM   #974
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fuck fuck fuck, worse news ever ..... please updates soon
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:50 AM   #975
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Hi Everyone,

wow - long read today....

I remember dmr, sypro (sp), ibill and all the other fiascos that happended in the past with billers, etc.

I would give it a few days and see what happens...

After a few days or so - well if nothing is resolved or a plan is out there then....

Best of luck to everyone

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this is real bad. hope it gets solved very soon.,

visa, fuck u.,
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When you are in a Hollywood Movie and show overnight as a producer of that movie, people start asking: "who is this guy?"...

and something like this happens.

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We send all that horse piss down south for the US market.
yep, cause us rednecks love our horse piss.

seriously, that's what most American beer tastes like.
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LOL poor michael - i hope you get paid real well from epassporte for taking all this shit from everyone :P
WTF. Its his job. I hope he didnt store his paychecks in the Visa dept of epass..
If so then Ill give him a poor Michael.. Poor Michael? Taking shit? People are pissed. Rightly so.

With that said maybe he should change his sig to some of the answers he keeps having to repeat. People should read the thread before they keep asking the same damn question over and over..
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After finding out I did some research on the issue and wanted to share my thoughts as it probably answers some questions.

First of all I think we should cut Michael some slack, he is clearly the messenger here and if it wasn't for him we would be completely in the dark. I am 100% sure he is trying to do whatever lies within his power. It is so easy for a company going down the shitter to just not communicate anymore and leave everything behind (well in most cases except the funds then).

I don't know the setup and structure of epassporte in detail but i do know a lot about offshore constructions and credit cards. Working with offshore companies and trust companies in between does not make it easier to get such a setup.

Visa debit cards are issued by Visa through financial institutions, mostly banks. These cards are linked to a corporate account which needs to be funded equally or more of the combined balances on the cards. So if you have 100 cards out there with a combined balance of let's say 50k, the bank who issued those cards has a bank account somewhere with a balance of 50k.

The problem with the wallet and visa "accounts" is that money in the wallet is accounted for on the bank account of epassporte self. Therefore epassporte should have no problem paying out those funds.

Your balance on the visa card is different, an equal amount of funds is located on a bank account at the St. Kitts National Bank linked to the big corporate visa account. At this moment this bank account is probably seized or suspended.

The problem is not caused by epassporte itsself, it is created by the fact St Kitts National Bank has either lost their Visa contract or has to deal with another sort of problem: funds being seized because of legal issues.

If the St Kitts national bank indeed lost their visa account that would mean that they are not allowed to issue new Visa cards or offer customers the functionality to withdraw money through visa cards. This has nothing to do with the funds though as the funds are most likely still in the bank, it is just that the option to withdraw through visa is suspended. Such actions are often communicated well in advance with several warnings, in case Visa has the impression St Kitts National Bank has other, probably legal, issues that might a good reason too.

The other option is that St Kitts National Bank seized all their accounts preventing a bank run for example. I find that unlikely. St. Kitts National Bank is part of the ECIC Holdings Ltd which a consortium of 10 banks in the area which recently were in the news for rescuing the TCI Bank which went into forced liquidation. Again your funds should still be with the bank then, the only problem is then that nobody including Visa or epassporte is able to access, in which case Visa has a good reason to suspend the withdrawal. In this case epassporte will probably try to regain access to the funds and find a new Visa issuing bank to continue operations.

The St. Kitts National Bank (or fully: St Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla National Bank Ltd) falls under the Eastern Carribean Central Bank. I couldn't find the warranties and insurances the central bank issues yet but i am pretty sure you can't compare it to western standards.

So in my opinion you can't really blame epassporte at this moment, maybe only for the fact they relied solely on the St Kitts National Bank.

Bitchting at the situation or persons is useless at this moment, the only thing you can do here it withdraw funds on your wallet and be patient till further useful information is released from epassporte (or a newspaper in case you read that the St Kitts National Bank went under supervision or filed bankruptcy which let's hope won't happen)


Please note that I am not affiliated with epassporte in any way, I am just posting my thoughts

More reads:
[1] http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1A1-D9DTKCK80.html
[2] http://www.eccb-centralbank.org/About/index.asp
[3] http://www.ecseonline.com/issuer_pro...ional_bank.php
[4] http://www.ecseonline.com/issuer_pro...Rpt31Mar10.pdf (unaudited quarterly report for Q1 2010 of St. Kitts National Bank)
[5] http://www.thedominican.net/2010/08/...-tci-bank.html
I agree with most of what you say....especially about Michael who is doing the best he can in a truly shitty situation.

My read on this is that it is most likely caused by program issued cards to people without Epassporte/Bank receiving ID's. I dont know if it is Epassporte or the bank who enabled cards without ID's but I think many will be receiving ID/Utility bill requests ....or have already received.

That is not going to please many who may live in the shadows but thats where I see the problem
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And us from WNY love you for that.

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If you are writing off the money you are a complete douche bag. I have been a member of many ETrade self-investment knock-offs that went bust. Every time the company either got bought out or literally closed its doors. The money they were handling was in a bank account somewhere and each and every time I was offered several ways to receive ALL of my funds... They included cutting me a check, wiring it to an alternate account or continuing on with the purchasing party.

Contrary to popular belief money doesn't just disappear. Madoff spent his inverters money and that is not the case here. Banks with bad debts lose the money to the debtors and even then your money is insured to a certain amount. And that is not the case here. Nobody took the money. Nobody spent the money. It is sitting in an account and will be dispersed one way or another when things come to a conclusion.

From what Michael O has expressed it seems Visa wants Epassporte to comply with some changes in house to conform with recent changes to debit card laws. Once those changes are made they can resume business as usual.

To the government watchdogs we all look like suspicious transactors because we are all using a card that breaks just about every rule requiring a report to be sent out. Either Epassporte will automate the reporting process or they will restructure how the card works.

Either way... you are going to have to realize that Murphy's Law states, "What can go wrong, will go wrong and all at the same time."

This didn't just happen on a Friday.... It happened on a 3-day weekend. So if shit doesn't get ironed out by tonight, it won't be until Tuesday at the earliest and I am thinking more like a week from now at the earliest. However, Epassporte may be able to work something with the bank to transfer all Virtual account monies to the Wallet account so that they can issue withdrawals to whomever requests one before then.
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Anyone have funds in wallet and try to transfer it to your personal debit card (not epass visa electron card) and withdrew the money?

I wonder if this work. I have funds in wallet only.
I tried it - it didn't work for me.

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I tried it - it didn't work for me.

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Damn that's sucks. I guess my funds are stuck. Did you have a US debit or others? Also did you try it with a MC or Visa?

You weren't able to withdraw b/c you can't transfer from wallet --> debit or
can't withdraw once wallet funds have been transfer to your personal debit?

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I don't understand why some people don't believe this will be resolved. If the VISA withdrew their licence from the bank in question that doesn't mean the money is lost, nor is it disappeared. If the funds are there in the bank and the bank is liquid then I don't see this unresolved.
I do 95% believe they are telling the truth, the only problem is that now people in panic will start withdrawing like crazy and epass will probably come crushing down from that.
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If you are writing off the money you are a complete douche bag. I have been a member of many ETrade self-investment knock-offs that went bust. Every time the company either got bought out or literally closed its doors. The money they were handling was in a bank account somewhere and each and every time I was offered several ways to receive ALL of my funds... They included cutting me a check, wiring it to an alternate account or continuing on with the purchasing party.

Contrary to popular belief money doesn't just disappear. Madoff spent his inverters money and that is not the case here. Banks with bad debts lose the money to the debtors and even then your money is insured to a certain amount. And that is not the case here. Nobody took the money. Nobody spent the money. It is sitting in an account and will be dispersed one way or another when things come to a conclusion.

From what Michael O has expressed it seems Visa wants Epassporte to comply with some changes in house to conform with recent changes to debit card laws. Once those changes are made they can resume business as usual.

To the government watchdogs we all look like suspicious transactors because we are all using a card that breaks just about every rule requiring a report to be sent out. Either Epassporte will automate the reporting process or they will restructure how the card works.

Either way... you are going to have to realize that Murphy's Law states, "What can go wrong, will go wrong and all at the same time."

This didn't just happen on a Friday.... It happened on a 3-day weekend. So if shit doesn't get ironed out by tonight, it won't be until Tuesday at the earliest and I am thinking more like a week from now at the earliest. However, Epassporte may be able to work something with the bank to transfer all Virtual account monies to the Wallet account so that they can issue withdrawals to whomever requests one before then.
Good post. Exactly what I was thinking. The money didn't just dissapear or was spend, it's sitting there in an account. I am still confident I will be able to get to my money, IT'S NOT GONE as far as I can tell from the information I've been reading up till now. Hopefully we will all have access to our money again asap...
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I do 95% believe they are telling the truth, the only problem is that now people in panic will start withdrawing like crazy and epass will probably come crushing down from that.
Actually, they'd immediate receive a large influx of cash since it costs money to pull it out.
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I agree with most of what you say....especially about Michael who is doing the best he can in a truly shitty situation.

My read on this is that it is most likely caused by program issued cards to people without Epassporte/Bank receiving ID's. I dont know if it is Epassporte or the bank who enabled cards without ID's but I think many will be receiving ID/Utility bill requests ....or have already received.

That is not going to please many who may live in the shadows but thats where I see the problem
i second that... it's good i verified my account... ;)
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If you are writing off the money you are a complete douche bag. I have been a member of many ETrade self-investment knock-offs that went bust. Every time the company either got bought out or literally closed its doors. The money they were handling was in a bank account somewhere and each and every time I was offered several ways to receive ALL of my funds... They included cutting me a check, wiring it to an alternate account or continuing on with the purchasing party.
I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "ETrade self-investment knock-offs"? but if you mean a brokerage firm, then those are US based, SIPC insured and heavilly regulated businesses. If something goes wrong, SIPC takes over and everyone gets their $$ no matter what. That kind of business is not even remotely similar to epassporte.
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Actually, they'd immediate receive a large influx of cash since it costs money to pull it out.
a great point here!
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The bank in question, SKNA National Bank, looks like it is owned by the government from the digging I have done. Has anyone confirmed whether this is a Visa/Epassporte issue or a Visa/SKNA National Bank issue?
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Epassporte doesn't make a ton of money on deposits (the percentage they get paid when you leave cash in there). Let's assume they have $10,000,000 at any given time and make 6% on that money. That is only $1,643 in a day.

Now lets assume that 150,000 users average just one user-to-user transfer a day at 25 cents profit. $37,500 a day.

Now lets assume that wiring in money and making business to personal transfers for payouts makes them just .80 cents per transaction. I do believe they make much more on these. We will use the Tues-Wed rush as an example because that seems to be when 85% of my epassporte transactions occur. We can also pretend it is 250 sponsors with 500 payments each.

That is $100,000... And I know those numbers are very conservative. VERY conservative compared to the amount actually transacted.

So you can see that Epassporte makes way more money on fees than it does on actually gaining interest on your deposited money. They would PREFER you spend it, withdrawal it and create fees as that is where the real money is.
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I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "ETrade self-investment knock-offs"? but if you mean a brokerage firm, then those are US based, SIPC insured and heavilly regulated businesses. If something goes wrong, SIPC takes over and everyone gets their $$ no matter what. That kind of business is not even remotely similar to epassporte.
It was meant as an example... They are similar in that your money is being held in a bank somewhere. It isn't held in Chris' personal wallet. It is in a bank. He doesn't have unlimited access to your money. Madoff didn't run a business that made money. Chris does. He is more worried about keeping the business going because that is how he makes money and that requires your trust. Madoff didn't give a shit about your trust.
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