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Old 05-19-2019, 04:20 PM   #1
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How can Trump Make America Great Again when he himself can not even get a "average" score on the job..


So much lies.. so many Red Hats fall for them..
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Poor Canadians still don't know they're irrelevant.

Right next door to an economic powerhouse with unprecedented success and you're still faltering with your "leader" more concerned about discussing the pressing global issue of transgender bathrooms at G8 summits than actually running a nations economy.










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How can Trump Make America Great Again when he himself can not even get a "average" score on the job..


So much lies.. so many Red Hats fall for them..
He's also more likely to run a business into the ground rather than prosperity.

And there's the thing when he got fired from a high rated NBC show because of his stupid mouth.

He should be waiting to die in obscurity. We live in an alternate reality where Donald Trump matters way more than he should. Way, way more.
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Poor Canadians still don't know they're irrelevant.
Those charts are about Trump, not Trudeau.

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Your stats are false Mark.

According to the polls...Trump's approval rating has edged down the last few days to 42% (down from 46% in April)

https://news.gallup.com/poll/257645/...dges-down.aspx

Also...President Obama had glowing and even LOVING reporting on his Presidency (remember Chris Matthews on MSNBC blurted that he got a "thrill up his leg" when he heard Obama speak).

Imagine how high President Trump's approval ratings would be if he had THAT kind of fawning coverage?
The country was in the shitter the entire 8 years of the Obama Presidency.

Trump has the economy ROARING after he repealed every single Obama economic Executive Order, dropped taxes, and eased regulations (creating a pro-business environment).

If the media weren't attacking him 24/7 he would be the most popular President in history.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/b...rcent-negative
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Poor Canadians still don't know they're irrelevant.

Right next door to an economic powerhouse with unprecedented success and you're still faltering with your "leader" more concerned about discussing the pressing global issue of transgender bathrooms at G8 summits than actually running a nations economy.



Canada employement chart ....

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Your stats are false Mark.
The stats came from Gallup, The Brookings Institution, Politifact, Congressional Research Service, US Customs and Border Protection Agency, US Bureau of Labor Statistics, Public Policy Poling, not me. Are all of them wrong?
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The stats came from Gallup, The Brookings Institution, Politifact, Congressional Research Service, US Customs and Border Protection Agency, US Bureau of Labor Statistics, Public Policy Poling, not me. Are all of them wrong?
And I just gave you the link to the gallup stats.
Whoever put up that pack of lies you copied was being deceptive. And you fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

It also plainly says at the bottom of that image full of wrong stuff: "Source: Public Policy Polling"

That's not Gallup, or Brookings Institution. or Politifact. or anything else.

Did that person cherry pick through stuff they MAY have found from those sources? Absolutely! Especially the "promises" one. Wow. I voted for Obama in 2008 bases on specific things he said on the campaign trail. He did NOT fulfill them. And worse...he didn't even try.

Anyway...as I said...I actually linked you to Gallup and the job approval ratings. Your image of b.s. stats is false.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/257645/...dges-down.aspx

Not only that, but you willfully ignore that the President's ratings would be great if the media weren't attacking him with negative coverage 24/7 and giving him no positive coverage of any kind for all of his accomplishments.

If the media had done that to Obama, he would have been the most hated man in the world. Hell, if the media had done that to Mother Theresa, even she would have been hated.

But Trump is kicking so much ass that he STILL has a 42% job approval even though half the country are Democrat and the media tries to show him in a bad light every minute of every day.

No other person could do that.
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Your stats are false Mark.

According to the polls...Trump's approval rating has edged down the last few days to 42% (down from 46% in April)

https://news.gallup.com/poll/257645/...dges-down.aspx

Also...President Obama had glowing and even LOVING reporting on his Presidency (remember Chris Matthews on MSNBC blurted that he got a "thrill up his leg" when he heard Obama speak).

Imagine how high President Trump's approval ratings would be if he had THAT kind of fawning coverage?
The country was in the shitter the entire 8 years of the Obama Presidency.

Trump has the economy ROARING after he repealed every single Obama economic Executive Order, dropped taxes, and eased regulations (creating a pro-business environment).

If the media weren't attacking him 24/7 he would be the most popular President in history.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/b...rcent-negative
Not true ... His stats are NOT false, just not up to the latest number ....

As per your own link, it shows Trump approval in Feb.2019 at 37 %:



So Robbie, it is false to claim that ther stats are false ....

If you want falsehood, just listen daily to your president ... you will be in heaven ....
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And I just gave you the link to the gallup stats.
Whoever put up that pack of lies you copied was being deceptive. And you fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

It also plainly says at the bottom of that image full of wrong stuff: "Source: Public Policy Polling"

That's not Gallup, or Brookings Institution. or Politifact. or anything else.

Did that person cherry pick through stuff they MAY have found from those sources? Absolutely! Especially the "promises" one. Wow. I voted for Obama in 2008 bases on specific things he said on the campaign trail. He did NOT fulfill them. And worse...he didn't even try.

Anyway...as I said...I actually linked you to Gallup and the job approval ratings. Your image of b.s. stats is false.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/257645/...dges-down.aspx

Not only that, but you willfully ignore that the President's ratings would be great if the media weren't attacking him with negative coverage 24/7 and giving him no positive coverage of any kind for all of his accomplishments.

If the media had done that to Obama, he would have been the most hated man in the world. Hell, if the media had done that to Mother Theresa, even she would have been hated.

But Trump is kicking so much ass that he STILL has a 42% job approval even though half the country are Democrat and the media tries to show him in a bad light every minute of every day.

No other person could do that.
How about you tell us all these accomplishments...
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His only accomplishment is he lifted the rock that all the racists and Nazis have been hiding under for the past 50 years.
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Right next door to an economic powerhouse with unprecedented success and you're still faltering with your "leader" more concerned about discussing the pressing global issue of transgender bathrooms at G8 summits than actually running a nations economy.










You sound jealous of us :-)

We live longer, we are healthier, Our community’s are safer, our real estate is worth more. We are just better people all around. Sorry that upsets you mate.
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We live longer, we are healthier, Our community’s are safer, our real estate is worth more. We are just better people all around. Sorry that upsets you mate.
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We live longer, we are healthier, Our community’s are safer, our real estate is worth more. We are just better people all around. Sorry that upsets you mate.
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And I just gave you the link to the gallup stats.
Whoever put up that pack of lies you copied was being deceptive. And you fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
I didn't fall for anything, I am only quoting those sources.

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Your stats are false Mark.

According to the polls...Trump's approval rating has edged down the last few days to 42% (down from 46% in April)

https://news.gallup.com/poll/257645/...dges-down.aspx
Actually Robbie our charts agree with each other.

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Also...President Obama had ...
Except that I am not talking about Obama. This is data collected about Trump.

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It also plainly says at the bottom of that image full of wrong stuff: "Source: Public Policy Polling"

That's not Gallup, or Brookings Institution. or Politifact. or anything else.
The sources for each chart are displayed on each chart.

https://news.gallup.com/interactives/185273/r.aspx
https://www.brookings.edu/research/t...dministration/
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ses-two-years/
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/54937
https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2015/home.htm
https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...onal_12219.pdf



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Did that person cherry pick through stuff they MAY have found from those sources?
No its not cherry picked. Links to the sources and data are above. But if you look at the charts it is not all bad news for Trump. Some of it is surprisingly (to me) good news for him.

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Absolutely! Especially the "promises" one. Wow. I voted for Obama in 2008 bases on specific things he said on the campaign trail. He did NOT fulfill them. And worse...he didn't even try.
I'm sorry that the promises you voted for him for weren't kept - that sucks for sure. But the data that the charts were based on is backed up. You can see all of Obama's promises here

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ises/obameter/

A summary here: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ama-scorecard/

Trump's 102 promises here: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...it-roadblocks/

Etc.



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Anyway...as I said...I actually linked you to Gallup and the job approval ratings. Your image of b.s. stats is false.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/257645/...dges-down.aspx
Here's the problem. My chart is in years, yours is in months, from Feb 2017 to May 2019. If you look at both charts side by side, its see to see that the approval rating has been pretty steady (45 in Feb 2017, to 37 in Jan/Feb 2019, up to 46 in One, and down to 42 in May. Again, both of our charts are correct.


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Not only that, but you willfully ignore that the President's ratings would be great if the media weren't attacking him with negative coverage 24/7 and giving him no positive coverage of any kind for all of his accomplishments.
No my good friend. I'm not ignoring that fact. If the news had good things to say about him, they would, but lets face it - Trump has a lot of bad stuff going on all around him. Anything good he might be doing is severely overshadowed by all the bad stuff he is doing / has done. I like that trump likes Space and Nasa. I'll always give him that.

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If the media had done that to Obama, he would have been the most hated man in the world.
Fox was insane in their terrible treatment of President Obama. Do you think they were good to him?

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But Trump is kicking so much ass that he STILL has a 42% job approval even though half the country are Democrat and the media tries to show him in a bad light every minute of every day.

No other person could do that.
I'll give you that. It's easy for me to say that Trump is an idiot, but its possible that he could be a genius. He's surrounded by possible corruption and criminal acts, lies constantly and does so with a smile, is 700 years old and still has the charisma to make auditoriums full of people cheer for him. I absolutely do not know how he does it.

And lets fucking face it - the guy has a great smile.



I mean.. wow the guy's 70 years old and except for being overweight, he looks great. I hope I look that good at that age.
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Mark, Fox News NEVER said that President Obama was "dangerous", a "traitor", that there was "treason", that he was a "Nazi"...Fuck no! Fox News did not treat Obama the way that the media has treated President Trump since he first announced.

As for the "promises" one.
I just looked at that...dude wake up! President Obama's "promises" in his first campaign were not kept. He didn't even TRY during the first 2 years. He sat on his ass and basically took orders from Senator Harry Reid and Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi.

And the only thing of any import that was done was the horrible "ObamaCare".

Meanwhile, the country was falling apart over the housing market collapse and subsequent economic collapse.

Christ. Talk about trying to re-write history.

As for President Trump...he hasn't "broken" ANY promises. He has pushed and fought for everything he said he would.

First he had to fight his own party. Paul Ryan was so anti-Trump that he wouldn't do a goddamn thing in the House to push the agenda. Then you had John McCain who was so bitter in his final years. The fact the he campaigned on repealing and replacing ObamaCare AND Trump endorsed him AND campaigned for him...and McCain STILL fucked over his own constituents and the entire nation by voting down a new healthcare bill.

I know I'm wasting my breath.
You and the rest of the anti-Trump people live in an alternative universe.

The one I live in has Trump moving Heaven and Earth to build a border wall, fighting with liberal judges who keep striking down his Executive Orders that DO fulfill his promises, and a Democrat Party that is in full Trump Delusional Syndrome mode and totally hysterical...and they won't work with him on ANYTHING. Even things that they have claimed they always wanted.

And yet...by every measure and metric...Trump's policy's are working as the country is in the best shape it's been in for decades.

Unless you are anti-Trump. In which case none of that matters and he is the worst of all times.
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Mark, Fox News NEVER said that President Obama was "dangerous", a "traitor", that there was "treason", that he was a "Nazi"...Fuck no! Fox News did not treat Obama the way that the media has treated President Trump since he first announced.




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Mark, Fox News NEVER said that President Obama was "dangerous", a "traitor", that there was "treason", that he was a "Nazi"....
Dude...

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If anyone in this nation was "jealous" of Canada they'd spend as much time talking about Canada as Canadians do talking about America.
I and other Canadians aren't jealous of the US. We just care about you too much. You guys are our friends and neighbours and a sick-load of really cool people. We just don't want to see you get hurt.

*LOVE* is what it is, I tell yeah what!



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As for the "promises" one.
I just looked at that...dude wake up! President Obama's "promises" in his first campaign were not kept. He didn't even TRY during the first 2 years. He sat on his ass and basically took orders from Senator Harry Reid and Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi.
Not true. Here's the full list: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ises/obameter/


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And the only thing of any import that was done was the horrible "ObamaCare".
I disagree. He reduced the US from the recession, killed Osama Bin Laden. Dropped almost $800 Billion to spur economic growth during the great recession, etc. He also supported the LGBT Community for marriage equality which is really important to a lot of people too. He reduced the Veteran Homeless rate, increased fuel economy standards on cars, Expanded embryonic stem cell research, etc. These are all pretty important.

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Meanwhile, the country was falling apart over the housing market collapse and subsequent economic collapse.
Which he saved.
https://www.thebalance.com/what-was-...ackage-3305625
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/debat...nomic-response

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Christ. Talk about trying to re-write history.
Not re-writing history, remembering history.

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As for President Trump...he hasn't "broken" ANY promises.
Well I can think of one promise..



And he also promised to raise tax on the rich, he didn't. He promised to release his tax returns, he didn't. https://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...icle-1.3061868




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He has pushed and fought for everything he said he would.
Promises made, promises broken : https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8733691.html


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First he had to fight his own party. Paul Ryan was so anti-Trump that he wouldn't do a goddamn thing in the House to push the agenda.
Ok maybe, I can give you that. But is Trump really a republican?

And sure, ok, Paul Ryan was a dud. But he was also a dud during Obama. So, I'll meet you half-way on that.


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Then you had John McCain who was so bitter in his final years. The fact the he campaigned on repealing and replacing ObamaCare AND Trump endorsed him AND campaigned for him...and McCain STILL fucked over his own constituents and the entire nation by voting down a new healthcare bill.
Is there a new healthcare bill to replace Obamacare?



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I know I'm wasting my breath.
You and the rest of the anti-Trump people live in an alternative universe.
I promise you that you are not wasting your breath on me. As you can see, I am reading everything you are saying, and I am agreeing with you in some (minor) points.


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The one I live in has Trump moving Heaven and Earth to build a border wall
True, and actually, good for him. Our (my?) problem with the Border wall is that it seems like a very very expensive "fix" for a problem that may not be as bad, or that could be fixed in other ways that cost less.

Libbies like me think that migrants should be treated with compassion and helped, while securing the border at the same time. So if anything, I am 50% on your side on this.

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, fighting with liberal judges who keep striking down his Executive Orders that DO fulfill his promises,

Trump can promise whatever he wants, but it has to be legal. If a Judge says something is illegal, then its illegal. No one, not even the president, should be above the law, right?

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And yet...by every measure and metric...Trump's policy's are working as the country is in the best shape it's been in for decades.
The economy is in good shape yes, and the job numbers are way up, yes. But other things are in trouble. The environment, hate groups, education, womens rights, etc, all need attention too.

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Mark, everyone KNOWS that Fox News OPINION shows are conservative.

The actual NEWS shows (not talk shows) on Fox News NEVER said anything close to what the media is saying about Trump.

You are just plain flat out wrong.

Playing pieces of Fox opinion shows, CNBC financial shows (yes, business people hated Obama's policies), audio from Rush Limbaugh's radio show, clip from the 700 Club t.v. network, and video from freakin' Info Wars is NOT the same thing as Don Lemon, Anderson Cooper, Jake Tapper, Erin Burnett, Wolf Blitzer, etc. all proclaiming to be "NEWS" (not opinion) and calling Trump a "traitor", "treasonous", "stupid", a "Nazi", a "liar"....the list goes on and on and on every day 24 hours a day.

Fox News actually has NEWS shows (Shepard Smith, Brett Bair, Bill Hemmer, Jon Scott, Mike Wallace) that are not disrespectful or opinionated towards anyone or anything.
They actually do the NEWS.

Even President Carter said he has NEVER seen the media treat a President the way they do now.
It's never happened before.

Even when EVERYTHING bad in the world was "Bush" for eight years and then eight more years during the Obama admin (when all of the country's problems were still blamed on Bush).
Even when they attacked Reagan unmercifully for eight years.

I can't even fathom where you and the people who put that video together come from...it's insanity on your part to continue to keep posting shit like this.

Divisiveness and hatred is all this continues to cause.
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Mark, everyone KNOWS that Fox News OPINION shows are conservative.

The actual NEWS shows (not talk shows) on Fox News NEVER said anything close to what the media is saying about Trump.
Which shows on Fox News are opinions, and which shows on Fox are news? And second question, are those with those terrible opinions about Obama, wrong or right in your opinion?


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You are just plain flat out wrong.
About what? I shared sone stats about Trump, and didn't say whether they were right or wrong. You said the stats were wrong then provided a link to the correct stats, which were actually the same stats.


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Playing pieces of Fox opinion shows, CNBC financial shows (yes, business people hated Obama's policies), audio from Rush Limbaugh's radio show, clip from the 700 Club t.v. network, and video from freakin' Info Wars is NOT the same thing as Don Lemon, Anderson Cooper, Jake Tapper, Erin Burnett, Wolf Blitzer, etc. all proclaiming to be "NEWS" (not opinion) and calling Trump a "traitor", "treasonous", "stupid", a "Nazi", a "liar"....the list goes on and on and on every day 24 hours a day.
When did Wolf Blitzer or Anderson Cooper ever call Trump a Traitor? Or Treasonous? or a Nazi? Please send me a link to a video clip.

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Fox News actually has NEWS shows (Shepard Smith, Brett Bair, Bill Hemmer, Jon Scott, Mike Wallace) that are not disrespectful or opinionated towards anyone or anything.
They actually do the NEWS.
Shep Smith is cool - I like the guy. No comment on the rest but ok I'll say they are all journalists who never slammed Obama. Fine. But which journalists, or "opinion-only talking heads on CNN or MSBNC, ever say things like Fox News commentators said about Obama?

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Even President Carter said he has NEVER seen the media treat a President the way they do now.
True - he said this in Fall of 2017. Now of course this could just be his opinion, or he could be completely right. Let's say that he's completely right. It doesn't change the fact that there is all kinds of nasty orbiting around Trump.


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It's never happened before.
Of course it has.


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Even when they attacked Reagan unmercifully for eight years.
It's expected in politics. The president or other leader can never be everything to everybody, so those who feel fucked over will attack, and those who want someone else in the big chair will attack. The point is, are the attacks justified? Sometimes they are.

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I can't even fathom where you and the people who put that video together come from..
Right. But don't forget, that we have the same questions about you. It doesn't have to be hostile - it should and must always be calm, cool and collected (like me and you! and Bladewire! ). If we can all keep talking, we can all keep learning. Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;

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.it's insanity on your part to continue to keep posting shit like this.
No I disagree. I see something that's not right. I need to fight. So would you, so do you.



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Divisiveness and hatred is all this continues to cause.
Different opinions, not divisiveness. Knowledge and the search for truth, not hatred. America is stronger than this. But in case I'm wrong, your good friends to the North are always here to help.
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Which shows on Fox News are opinions, and which shows on Fox are news? And second question, are those with those terrible opinions about Obama, wrong or right in your opinion?

Different opinions, not divisiveness. Knowledge and the search for truth, not hatred. America is stronger than this. But in case I'm wrong, your good friends to the North are always here to help.
1. I listed the news hours. And there are lots of them on Fox News. Re-read my post.
Opinions can't be "terrible". They are opinions only. There is a limit though. In my opinion it's when you go after a person instead of their policy's.

2. Seriously? You don't read the sheer hatred on this very topic from people attacking me personally just because I don't agree with them?
It's pretty evident in all social media in case you've been willfully ignoring it.
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And who will the Dems put up against Trump?

Another losing female.
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And who will the Dems put up against Trump?

Another losing female.
Biden isn't a girl. lol

I'm of the mind that the Dems don't have a viable candidate against Trump...yet. But you never know.

Nobody thought Trump would win either.

And in 2008...it was supposed to be Hillary then too. Until an unknown named Barrack Obama captured the country's imagination.

In other words...even though there are already a hundred Dems running for President, there is still time for an electrifying candidate to step forward...or for one of the current ones to suddenly shine like they never have in their entire careers.
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Yall ever sit back and wonder how both sides have charts, graphs, stats, "facts" and memes "proving" their leftard or rightard agenda?

This is literally like watching the Yankees vs The Red Sox sometimes.

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1. I listed the news hours. And there are lots of them on Fox News. Re-read my post.
Sean Hannity is on at night. Is he only about opinion? Or is he news?

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Opinions can't be "terrible". They are opinions only. There is a limit though. In my opinion it's when you go after a person instead of their policy's.
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Who cares? Fuck those assholes Everyone is allowed to have an opinion.

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It's pretty evident in all social media in case you've been willfully ignoring it.
How can anyone ignore it? Social Media is in a pretty bad state. I'm on GFY and Xbiz, but not on Twitter or the other platforms at all. I use FB to keep in touch with family and argue with my brother but that's about it.
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Mark, everyone KNOWS that Fox News OPINION shows are conservative.

The actual NEWS shows (not talk shows) on Fox News NEVER said anything close to what the media is saying about Trump.

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Spin of the year .....

What is next ... claiming that between 6:00 AM and 6:05 AM they did not attack Obama ....

True look of desesperation .....
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Sean Hannity is on at night. Is he only about opinion? Or is he news?
Hannity is a talk show host. And openly stated since the first day of his show that he is a conservative.

Cooper, Lemon, Cuomo, Tapper, etc. ? You can't even get them to admit they are Democrats...much less liberal progressives.

They will deny it every time. And proclaim that they are reporting the news in a non-biased way.

Yes Mark...Hannity is a talk show. The reporting he does is based on what he WANTS to find. That is NOT straight reporting the news. It is hunting specific things and highlighting them.

And that is EXACTLY what CNN does 24 hours a day. 7 days a week.
And you can add MSNBC to that as well.

Hannity CHOOSES to only report on bad things the Democrats have done and ignore bad things that Trump does.

CNN and MSNBC and The NY Times and the Washington Post and ABC News and CBS News and NBC News do the inverse.

Difference is...one is a one hour talk show (Hannity). The others are supposed to be the well-respected American press.

And the result?
Divisiveness and hatred. Those media outlets have gotten you convinced along with half the people in this country that Trump is a "Nazi", "dangerous", a "traitor", a "con man", etc. , etc.

And because they carefully pick and choose what to report and more importantly what NOT to report...you are left scratching your head how people like me could not "see" this.

In my opinion this is a deliberate attempt to divide people and cause friction.

And the irony of it is that the media constantly claims that Trump is the one dividing us because he calls his political opponents funny nicknames like "Crooked Hillary", "Crazy Bernie", "Pocahantas", or "Sleepy Joe".
Meanwhile they call him a "liar", "con man" , "traitor" , "incompetent"...and every derogatory name you can think of. And they actively work to destroy his Presidency, impeach him, imprison his family and friends, and ruin his businesses worldwide.
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Hannity is a talk show host. And openly stated since the first day of his show that he is a conservative.
Of course he's a conservative, but that's not the question.

Is Sean Hannity a Journalist, or is he a commentator?
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Of course he's a conservative, but that's not the question.

Is Sean Hannity a Journalist, or is he a commentator?
He often starts his shows saying :

'' Well, you are in for a big night ..There are so many news , that only I have , and I will explain them to you one by one ... So many news ... ''
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Of course he's a conservative, but that's not the question.

Is Sean Hannity a Journalist, or is he a commentator?
How many times do I have to say it before you HEAR me?

Hannity is a TALK SHOW HOST!
Jesus Fucking Christ Mark! What is wrong with you man? I have said it over and over and over.

He clearly says he is a talk show host. He also "reports" stuff on his show. And he cherry picks it to make Republicans look good and Dems look bad.

Are you now going to post again and ask me this same damn thing over and over?

WTF?

He is a biased talk show host. That's what his show is all about.

So are Anderson Cooper, Rachel Maddow, Erin Burnett, Jake Tapper, Chuck Todd, Chris Cuomo, Chris Hayes, Lawrence Odonnel, Tucker Carlson, etc.

But the difference is...those "hosts" on CNN and MSNBC deny they are biased at all and proclaim that they are "reporters" and are "un-biased". The ones on Fox openly tell the viewer that they are watching a talk show with an opinionated host and guests.

Am I not communicating this very clearly? If so, I apologize...
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How many times do I have to say it before you HEAR me?

Hannity is a TALK SHOW HOST!
Jesus Fucking Christ Mark! What is wrong with you man? I have said it over and over and over.
Sorry Robbie, I missed it. Please don't be mad at me.

But to be fair, Sean Hannity described himself as a Journalist to Mathew Shaer in the November 28th edition of the New York Times. So forgive my confusion on the matter. How should I know which Sean Hannity to believe?


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He clearly says he is a talk show host. He also "reports" stuff on his show. And he cherry picks it to make Republicans look good and Dems look bad.

Are you now going to post again and ask me this same damn thing over and over?

WTF?

He is a biased talk show host. That's what his show is all about.
Sure Robbie, but his show doesn't look like a talk show, and he doesn't talk like a talk show host.

This was easy to find:



He starts his show with

"Breaking Tonight" and "We now have evidence of election collusion", with a "Fox News Alert" crawl at the bottom of the screen. ..."But before we get to our top story" is said a few seconds later.

Come on Robbie. Sean Hannity says he's a talk show host. This does not look like a talk show. What about older people in their 60's and 70's who might watch this and think it is real news?


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So are Anderson Cooper, Rachel Maddow, Erin Burnett, Jake Tapper, Chuck Todd, Chris Cuomo, Chris Hayes, Lawrence Odonnel, Tucker Carlson, etc.
I don't watch all of them but I'd say you're right when it comes to Rachel Maddow who's show I've watched.. once or twice maybe... ;) Her commentary is thoroughly fact-checked and accurate.


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But the difference is...those "hosts" on CNN and MSNBC deny they are biased at all and proclaim that they are "reporters" and are "un-biased".
Not true. Maddow never describes herself as a reporter, but has often described herself as a liberal commentator. It's even in the second paragraph of her Wikipedia page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Maddow



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The ones on Fox openly tell the viewer that they are watching a talk show with an opinionated host and guests.
Sean Hannity does not mention this in the video I included above.
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There is a simple solution to this.

The UK regulations for TV states that if you want to call your show a NEWS show then it has to be licensed as such, and more importantly you have to report a balanced view.

You can still have shows like Fox and CNN, but you would not be able to label your broadcast as a NEWS show.

Comment and opinion is fine, but you cannot call it news or you risk fines and ultimately you would lose your broadcast license if you do not comply.

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Robbie, come on don't be a sore loser. Let's recap, ok?

I shared numbers & stats here, and included the sources. We could have debated the value of the stats or its potential future trends if you wanted to.

But instead you mistakenly called them all false here but then added a link to the "correct" stats, which were actually the same stats I showed. Embarrassing mistake sure, but we all do that sometimes.

I pointed out your goof in post #11, but in your post #12 you doubled-down on the same mistake calling it a "pack of lies" and saying that "I fell for it". Again, you and I are sighting the same source.

Directfiesta took the time to politely point out your goof too in post #13 and I listed the rest of the sources that you said I did not, with links, in post #19.

In your post#22 you said Fox News never treated Obama badly but this is easily proven to be incorrect as RedFred did here in point 23 and I did here in post 24.


In post 26 you said "everyone KNOWS that Fox News OPINION shows are conservative". Yes they are, but you changed the subject. You first said "Fox News", and now you said "Fox News Opinion Shows". But anyway that's fine to narrow the scope.

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You are mixing "News" and "Media" which is not fair based on your own previous statement. If you are going to compare Fox News with CNN News, then that's fair. If you are going to compare Fox Opinion shows with MSNBC Opinion Shows, then that's fair too. The term "Media" encompasses all of the above, but as you requested, we should narrow the scope.

So then. The News of Fox News never personally slammed Obama? I don't know this for sure but ok I will give you this. Then the News of CNN News never slammed Trump either. It's true. That means then that all of the negative crap comes from the opinion shows. Is this fair? I don't think I'm right here so please provide links if I'm wrong but I'm willing to meet you half way on this just to push the discussion forward.

After that you clarified what you mean regarding Sean Hannity. My goof.

But Sean Hannity has called himself a journalist, and his "talk show" looks a lot like a news show, doesn't it?

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Why? This is a really interesting conversation Robbie, to me anyway. I won this one. Come on buddy you look like you can take a hit or 2 without being knocked down.

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Gallup, The Brookings Institution, Politifact, Congressional Research Service, US Customs and Border Protection Agency, US Bureau of Labor Statistics, Public Policy Poling
Mark everything you read about trump or any 'statistics' are heavily manipulated. when there is an agenda behind states you need to really consider... you have no evidence any of this is true or factual
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Mark everything you read about trump or any 'statistics' are heavily manipulated.
If that's true, then who do you believe? What facts do you personally, believe? And how do you know that your choice is accurate?

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That's true, because neither you nor I were "in the room" or "asked the polling questions" or gathered the actual evidence. No one on GFY is a true expert when it comes to politics, so the only thing people like you and I can do, is debate the news (or the "news") that we consume, correct?
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