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Old 04-25-2019, 04:04 PM   #1
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:stop Judge indicted in Massachusetts for refusing to allow illegal alien to be detained



A state judge in Massachusetts was indicted Thursday for refusing to allow ICE to take custody of an undocumented immigrant, according to court papers.

Judge Shelley M. Richmond Joseph, 51, of Natick, was charged in the case along with a court officer, Wesley MacGregor, 56, of Watertown.

In court on Thursday, the judge and court officer were released after appearing. The undocumented immigrant is in deportation hearings but not in custody and

“The allegations in today’s indictment involve obstruction by a sitting judge, that is intentional interference with the enforcement of federal law, and that is a crime," said U.S. Attorney Andrew Lelling. "We cannot pick and choose the federal laws we follow, or use our personal views to justify violating the law."

According to officials, police in Newton arrested a suspect on March 30, 2018, for being a fugitive on narcotics charges. Officials discovered that the suspect had been deported twice and Immigration and Customs Enforcement issued a detainer.

On April 2, 2018, a plainclothes ICE officer came to the district court in Newtown to take custody of the suspect and was told to wait in the lobby.

But during the course of the proceedings, Joseph allegedly arranged for the suspect, his lawyer and an interpreter, to leave through a different exit, escorted by MacGregor.

“The actions of the judge in this incident are a detriment to the rule of law and highly offensive to the law enforcement officers of ICE who swear an oath to uphold our nation’s immigration laws,” said Todd M. Lyons, the acting field office director of ICE in Boston.

The defendant, who’s not identified by name in court documents, had been previously deported twice from the U.S., officials said.

According to the court documents, Judge Joseph arraigned the undocumented immigrant facing deportation on those charges, but later in the day she recalled his case. At that point, according to court documents Judge Joseph asked the ICE officer to wait outside the courtroom while proceedings took place.

The indictment includes court transcripts from the hearing which took place on April 2, 2018.

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So this guy was deported twice. Busted by the law again. And the judge decided for some reason this non-law-abiding citizen has the right to escape deportation once again... just because?
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When will democratic judges learn that they must follow federal laws?
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So this guy was deported twice. Busted by the law again. And the judge decided for some reason this non-law-abiding citizen has the right to escape deportation once again... just because?
Yeah I don't get it.

even if you're going to make a point about the fed's not interfering in State Court rooms the last person I'd want to make a statement with it's some fucking loser that's been deported twice as a druggie

In another article I read it said that Massachusetts has been fighting with ICE to not be interfering in the courtrooms because they take defendants and plaintiffs into custody and the cases get messed up and the FEDS are not supposed to be meddling in local state courts.

Evidently some places isis not allowed to go in Massachusetts are schools churches etc at end course you're supposed to be included in that but they're breaking that rule and going into courts.

It will be interesting to see how this turns out.
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what??? the feds can go into any government building lol. it's time to get illegals on the right track. cut off the funds!
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Yeah I don't get it.

even if you're going to make a point about the fed's not interfering in State Court rooms the last person I'd want to make a statement with it's some fucking loser that's been deported twice as a druggie

In another article I read it said that Massachusetts has been fighting with ICE to not be interfering in the courtrooms because they take defendants and plaintiffs into custody and the cases get messed up and the FEDS are not supposed to be meddling in local state courts.

Evidently some places isis not allowed to go in Massachusetts are schools churches etc at end course you're supposed to be included in that but they're breaking that rule and going into courts.

It will be interesting to see how this turns out.
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what??? the feds can go into any government building lol. it's time to get illegals on the right track. cut off the funds!
States rights

Of course now, stupid Republicans say fed's over states rights

Fucking hypocrites.

Not at all defending what the judge did. I just had to read two other articles to find out why the fuck the judge did what she did lol
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States rights

Of course now, stupid Republicans say fed's over states rights

Fucking hypocrites.

Not at all defending what the judge did. I just had to read to other articles to find out why the fuck the judge did what she did lol
This is what democrats do. They love illegals. They protect them. They operate sanctuary cities across the USA. They are a plague on the country.
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This is what democrats do. They love illegals. They protect them. They operate sanctuary cities across the USA. They are a plague on the country.
Shut up with your broad brush ignorant bullshit

At this time in his presidency Obama has deported more illegals than Trump has so far.

If you're going to respond to me at least fucking respond with the fucking truth.
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So you're in favor of building the wall then?



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Shut up with your broad brush ignorant bullshit

At this time in his presidency Obama has deported more illegals than Trump has so far.

If you're going to respond to me at least fucking respond with the fucking truth.
No obama did not. He basically tagged them, set them free into the country and 92% never showed up for their asylum/deportation hearing.

DEM judges are setting these illegals free EVEN after they have committed violent crimes. DEM mayors are protecting criminal illegals all across the country in DEM run sanctuary cities. DEMs constantly stonewall Trumps efforts to stop illegals.

THESE ARE FACTS. DEMS LOVE ILLEGALS. DEMS NEED ILLEGALS FOR VOTES.
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This is what democrats do. They love illegals. They protect them. They operate sanctuary cities across the USA. They are a plague on the country.
did you forget bush jr had illegals working at his texas home???
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did you forget bush jr had illegals working at his texas home???
Fuck him too. Fuck his whole family. He's fucking piece of shit.

And picking out one person doesn't mean shit. We have an entire party that's working together to protect illegals and flood our country with them.
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Generally speaking Feds pull rank over State matters. But not a state courthouse - Meaning, if a state judge says "X" federal agents have zero authority over that judge.

In this case, ICE showed up to arrest an illegal immigrant. However, that illegal immigrant was in court for a deportation hearing. ICE showed up to arrest someone when they did not know his (or her) status. The judge could have decided that person was here legally, or that they were now legally a US citizen.

This is what it has come to under Trump - our government is openly at war with itself.
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This is what it has come to under Trump - our government is openly at war with itself.
No rochard, you have Democratic judges helping illegals evade ICE. That's illegal.

Dems love illegals.
Dems protect illegals.
Dems protect illegals that are committing crime.
Dems are not for border control.
Dems operate sanctuary cities across the country protecting illegals.
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He'll lie, cheat & steal to defend his status quo deep state traitors
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Generally speaking Feds pull rank over State matters. But not a state courthouse - Meaning, if a state judge says "X" federal agents have zero authority over that judge.

In this case, ICE showed up to arrest an illegal immigrant. However, that illegal immigrant was in court for a deportation hearing. ICE showed up to arrest someone when they did not know his (or her) status. The judge could have decided that person was here legally, or that they were now legally a US citizen.

This is what it has come to under Trump - our government is openly at war with itself.
city police serve warrants in county courts. what is the big issue? they are doing what they are hired to do! if they didn't people would be yelling do your job!
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So this guy was deported twice. Busted by the law again. And the judge decided for some reason this non-law-abiding citizen has the right to escape deportation once again... just because?
If he was a U.S. citizen, ICE wouldn't be trying to deport him.....AGAIN. By definition, an illegal alien is a citizen of another country.
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If he was a U.S. citizen, ICE wouldn't be trying to deport him.....AGAIN. By definition, an illegal alien is a citizen of another country.
once caught he will never become a citizen.
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Generally speaking Feds pull rank over State matters. But not a state courthouse - Meaning, if a state judge says "X" federal agents have zero authority over that judge.

In this case, ICE showed up to arrest an illegal immigrant. However, that illegal immigrant was in court for a deportation hearing. ICE showed up to arrest someone when they did not know his (or her) status. The judge could have decided that person was here legally, or that they were now legally a US citizen.

This is what it has come to under Trump - our government is openly at war with itself.
So the judge should have allowed the ICE officials to wait for her judgement on whether the man was legally in America or not. Not sent him out the back door to avoid ICE. With court officer, Wesley MacGregor.

What don't you get?
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A state judge in Massachusetts was indicted Thursday for refusing to allow ICE to take custody of an undocumented immigrant, according to court papers.

Judge Shelley M. Richmond Joseph, 51, of Natick, was charged in the case along with a court officer, Wesley MacGregor, 56, of Watertown.

In court on Thursday, the judge and court officer were released after appearing. The undocumented immigrant is in deportation hearings but not in custody and

“The allegations in today’s indictment involve obstruction by a sitting judge, that is intentional interference with the enforcement of federal law, and that is a crime," said U.S. Attorney Andrew Lelling. "We cannot pick and choose the federal laws we follow, or use our personal views to justify violating the law."

According to officials, police in Newton arrested a suspect on March 30, 2018, for being a fugitive on narcotics charges. Officials discovered that the suspect had been deported twice and Immigration and Customs Enforcement issued a detainer.

On April 2, 2018, a plainclothes ICE officer came to the district court in Newtown to take custody of the suspect and was told to wait in the lobby.

But during the course of the proceedings, Joseph allegedly arranged for the suspect, his lawyer and an interpreter, to leave through a different exit, escorted by MacGregor.

“The actions of the judge in this incident are a detriment to the rule of law and highly offensive to the law enforcement officers of ICE who swear an oath to uphold our nation’s immigration laws,” said Todd M. Lyons, the acting field office director of ICE in Boston.

The defendant, who’s not identified by name in court documents, had been previously deported twice from the U.S., officials said.

According to the court documents, Judge Joseph arraigned the undocumented immigrant facing deportation on those charges, but later in the day she recalled his case. At that point, according to court documents Judge Joseph asked the ICE officer to wait outside the courtroom while proceedings took place.

The indictment includes court transcripts from the hearing which took place on April 2, 2018.

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now if the would just lock up some of the california judges be awesome!!!
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Generally speaking Feds pull rank over State matters. But not a state courthouse - Meaning, if a state judge says "X" federal agents have zero authority over that judge.

In this case, ICE showed up to arrest an illegal immigrant. However, that illegal immigrant was in court for a deportation hearing. ICE showed up to arrest someone when they did not know his (or her) status. The judge could have decided that person was here legally, or that they were now legally a US citizen.

This is what it has come to under Trump - our government is openly at war with itself.
the illegals was in court on drug dealing charges, while on the run from a DWI and was snuck out a side door AFTER first shutting down the recorder in the room to discuss the details of breaking the law and as usual you are wrong. the media is at war with the government. you would think even a marine could figure that out
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"We cannot pick and choose the federal laws we follow, or use our personal views to justify violating the law."


Meanwhile the current DOJ is doing just that. ICE is doing just that. Trump's EPA is doing just that. Every member of Trump's staff is doing just that..

Fuck it I can give a judge a bit of leeway if she thinks something is out of line in the case because it's clear Trump's DOJ & ICE are currently breaking the law. A judge isn't going to take that kinda action just for the hell of it..
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the illegals was in court on drug dealing charges, while on the run from a DWI and was snuck out a side door AFTER first shutting down the recorder in the room to discuss the details of breaking the law and as usual you are wrong. the media is at war with the government. you would think even a marine could figure that out
Yep you really are just as deranged as Asspimple.. The right wing mental illness takes another one.. How long before you start bitching about the "muzzies" in every other topic and start chanting off white national retardism..
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Meanwhile the current DOJ is doing just that. ICE is doing just that. Trump's EPA is doing just that. Every member of Trump's staff is doing just that..

Fuck it I can give a judge a bit of leeway if she thinks something is out of line in the case because it's clear Trump's DOJ & ICE are currently breaking the law. A judge isn't going to take that kinda action just for the hell of it..
So you're fine with people breaking the law.
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Yep you really are just as deranged as Asspimple.. The right wing mental illness takes another one.. How long before you start bitching about the "muzzies" in every other topic and start chanting off white national retardism..
Conspiracy and Obstruction of justice are crimes.

Preventing federal agents from arresting criminals is a crime.

Letting criminals sneak out the back door is a crime.

Crockett it's YOU who is mentally ill.

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Dems protect illegals that are committing crime.
Dems are not for border control.
Dems operate sanctuary cities across the country protecting illegals.
Fuck off with your liying bullshit you fucking lying racist piece of trash!

Obama Departed the most illegals of any president in US history.

You're fucking lying piece of shit try telling the truth for once in your fucking white trash life.
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So you're fine with people breaking the law.
Why are you judging someone guilty before they've had their trial? Oh because you're a grain of the difference between state laws and federal laws and states rights and the right of a judge to control their courtroom. I don't know if that's what the judge did but evidently it's being said now that it was legal. Like it's legal for Trump to break the law and not be prosecuted while he's president.
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the illegals was in court on drug dealing charges, while on the run from a DWI and was snuck out a side door AFTER first shutting down the recorder in the room to discuss the details of breaking the law and as usual you are wrong. the media is at war with the government. you would think even a marine could figure that out
Based on what you have just, what I am quoting you on... This man is facing charges on DWI and drug charges in two different cases.... And ICE is going to do what? Deport him? Shouldn't this suspect stand trial first? In both cases? And then ICE can deport him.

I understand that the federal government is "greater than" local state laws, and they pull rank. But in this case this man needs to stand trial. All ICE is doing is interfering with a legal proceeding.

This is not about stopping someone from being deported. This is about the suspect being punished for his crimes. I am sure the judge is tired of doing weeks of work on cases, only to have ICE come and destroy everything.

If ICE wanted to arrest this suspect, the proper thing to do would be to petition the court for his arrest, allow the legal process to go through his steps, and then the county court will gleefully turn him over to ICE to deported. Instead, ICE showed up, flashed his badge, and thought he would do what ever he wants.

I want to say "What is wrong with people" and "we have a legal process in place that needs to be followed". But I shouldn't be surprised. The White House lies to the American people on a daily basis, openly supports hate groups ("Both sides have good people") and supports violence ("Punch him on the way out, I'll pay the legal bills") and openly violates the law - on a daily basis. It's gotten so bad that the White House REFUSES to have press conferences.

If ICE wants to deport this man, they can petition the court, and after he has gone through the legal process he can be deported. That's how the law works.
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Old 04-28-2019, 01:36 PM   #32
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Yep you really are just as deranged as Asspimple.. The right wing mental illness takes another one.. How long before you start bitching about the "muzzies" in every other topic and start chanting off white national retardism..
lots of words not 1 rebuttal to my statement.. you dumb as fucking brinco now lol!!
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Based on what you have just, what I am quoting you on... This man is facing charges on DWI and drug charges in two different cases.... And ICE is going to do what? Deport him? Shouldn't this suspect stand trial first? In both cases? And then ICE can deport him.

I understand that the federal government is "greater than" local state laws, and they pull rank. But in this case this man needs to stand trial. All ICE is doing is interfering with a legal proceeding.

This is not about stopping someone from being deported. This is about the suspect being punished for his crimes. I am sure the judge is tired of doing weeks of work on cases, only to have ICE come and destroy everything.

If ICE wanted to arrest this suspect, the proper thing to do would be to petition the court for his arrest, allow the legal process to go through his steps, and then the county court will gleefully turn him over to ICE to deported. Instead, ICE showed up, flashed his badge, and thought he would do what ever he wants.

I want to say "What is wrong with people" and "we have a legal process in place that needs to be followed". But I shouldn't be surprised. The White House lies to the American people on a daily basis, openly supports hate groups ("Both sides have good people") and supports violence ("Punch him on the way out, I'll pay the legal bills") and openly violates the law - on a daily basis. It's gotten so bad that the White House REFUSES to have press conferences.

If ICE wants to deport this man, they can petition the court, and after he has gone through the legal process he can be deported. That's how the law works.
why should we pay to try the guy? let the place he came from have him back. they can rehabilitate him... I'm thinking all the paperwork you are requesting has been completed, they didn't come tell you is all. you immediately assume a law is being broken. how did the creepy judge even know they were coming? right? bigotry in action big time.
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"We cannot pick and choose the federal laws we follow, or use our personal views to justify violating the law."

sanctuary cites lol!!!!
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I love me some hypocrisy.

Yes, this judge is an idiot who deserves whatever he gets. Republicans are furious.

Roy Moore, twice thrown off the bench for violating the law and accused by multiple people of trying to fuck kids. Republicans. . . silence. . . or worse . . . they make excuses for it.

Take your fake outrage elsewhere.
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I love me some hypocrisy.

Yes, this judge is an idiot who deserves whatever he gets. Republicans are furious.

Roy Moore, twice thrown off the bench for violating the law and accused by multiple people of trying to fuck kids. Republicans. . . silence. . . or worse . . . they make excuses for it.

Take your fake outrage elsewhere.
anybody that lost a family member to a drunk driving illegal would be mad no matter what party. there was a drunk illegal here he wiped out a family of 7 i think it was. he was deported like 9 times
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anybody that lost a family member to a drunk driving illegal would be mad no matter what party. there was a drunk illegal here he wiped out a family of 7 i think it was. he was deported like 9 times
I'm not saying people shouldn't be mad. They should be. I just love the selective anger.
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I love me some hypocrisy.

Yes, this judge is an idiot who deserves whatever he gets. Republicans are furious.

Roy Moore, twice thrown off the bench for violating the law and accused by multiple people of trying to fuck kids. Republicans. . . silence. . . or worse . . . they make excuses for it.

Take your fake outrage elsewhere.
You must've missed the update. The woman who claimed that admitted she lied.. And a group of Democrats were caught running a "Russian bot" smear campaign on him pushing that "fake news"
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You must've missed the update. The woman who claimed that admitted she lied.. And a group of Democrats were caught running a "Russian bot" smear campaign on him pushing that "fake news"
There were something like 10 accusers and several other people who corroborated that he had been kicked out of a mall and a pool for being creepy with underage girls.

As I assumed, Trumpsters rushing to his aid. If he were a Democrat you would be calling for his execution.

BTW, you seem to have never had any problem with the Russians helping Trump, suddenly Democrats try something similar on a small scale and it's bad. Again, hypocrite.
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anybody that lost a family member to a drunk driving illegal would be mad no matter what party. there was a drunk illegal here he wiped out a family of 7 i think it was. he was deported like 9 times
First off, I'm not trivializing any person's or family's loss. While those stories may be what helps sell airtime on the news channels, the reality is there are far more American fatalities from the literal tons of narcotics that illegals smuggle into the U.S.
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There were something like 10 accusers and several other people who corroborated that he had been kicked out of a mall and a pool for being creepy with underage girls.

As I assumed, Trumpsters rushing to his aid. If he were a Democrat you would be calling for his execution.
It was all a Democrat "Russian bot" fake news scheme. There was an entire investigation on it which led to the perps being uncovered.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem...ican-roy-moore


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/26/u...formation.html
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It was all a Democrat "Russian bot" fake news scheme. There was an entire investigation on it which led to the perps being uncovered.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem...ican-roy-moore


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/26/u...formation.html
That had everything to do with trying to make Moore look like he was being supported by Russians and nothing to do with him fucking kids.

From the Fox article you linked:

Moore's bid for Senate was later clouded by allegations of inappropriate sexual conduct with teenage girls while he was in his 30s. One woman alleged that Moore had her touch him in private areas when she was just 14.

It remains unclear if the Facebook page or the fake Russian accounts amplified the allegations on social media


Remember, collusion isn't a crime, your own boy said so. Fucking kids. . . that's another story.
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That had everything to do with trying to make Moore look like he was being supported by Russians and nothing to do with him fucking kids.

From the Fox article you linked:

Moore's bid for Senate was later clouded by allegations of inappropriate sexual conduct with teenage girls while he was in his 30s. One woman alleged that Moore had her touch him in private areas when she was just 14.

It remains unclear if the Facebook page or the fake Russian accounts amplified the allegations on social media


Remember, collusion isn't a crime, your own boy said so. Fucking kids. . . that's another story.
1 woman... Who admitted she lied.

"unclear" It's now very clear.. Kavanaugh?

Total fucking smear campaign.. They were paying desperate DTS'er who were willing to do or say anything and using their propaganda bot networks to amplify it.
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1 woman... Who admitted she lied.

"unclear" It's now very clear.. Kavanaugh?

Total fucking smear campaign.. They were paying desperate DTS'er who were willing to do or say anything and using their propaganda bot networks to amplify it.
Any excuse to support a potential pedo.

Even if all of this shit with the accusations had never happened, this is a guy who was twice removed from the bench for refusing to follow the law he swore to uphold. You know, the exact same thing the guy in this thread did. Yet, you fall over yourself defending Moore because he is on your team.
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