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Old 04-08-2019, 12:32 AM   #51
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So how would you otherwise know if he is invested in those company's building the wall ?
Just a example.

What he actually fears is all the shell company's and the relationships with foreign entities. Company's you would otherwise have no idea who owns them.

Trump is 'all debt' and I could care less if he pays no taxes legally.
It is the possibility of corruption and undue influence that is at issue here.

If this reveal is not right for potus, then it is not right for Congress and has been required for them. Most candidates have been from congress or governors of states that have similar requirements.

It may be the only method the people have of 'vetting' their POTUS before a election.

If so many are willing to die to protect these returns, let the chips fall where they may.

While I would expect and respect that none of you would like your taxes revealed in public, you are not running for nor in the highest office in the land.
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Because every "reporter" from every media organization is watching everything they can find on the border wall and every last penny Trump spends on anything.

And again...the IRS already knows what is in his return.
There is a reason that politicians aren't allowed to see people's personal info.
That's the kind of thing done in authoritarian countries.
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By the way...most in Congress and the Senate also refuse to make their tax returns public.
It may be law (that Congress itself passed), but they still just ignore it.

Google it for yourself.
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Robbie the gut who demanded we see Obama's birth certificate now thinks its outrageous we ask to see Trump's tax returns. Trump has lied countless times about his business dealings with Russians yet Robbie doesn't see anything wrong with that..

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Robbie also see's no problem with Trump lying multiple times about releasing his taxes after the election.
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It has zero bearing on the job a President does.

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Oh really? Zero? The source of the president's income has no bearing on decisions he makes? Especially this president...who makes every decision based on money? You really are a dumb fuckwad traitor.
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Oh really? Zero? The source of the president's income has no bearing on decisions he makes? Especially this president...who makes every decision based on money? You really are a dumb fuckwad traitor.
Robbie is the dumbest of the dumb.. I'm almost willing to be in a IQ test between aimike & Robbie.. Robbie would lose.
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Robbie is the dumbest of the dumb.. I'm almost willing to be in a IQ test between aimike & Robbie.. Robbie would lose.
Their combined IQ would be a number not quantifiable by MIT mathematicians. The result of the equation would be negative fuckwad squared.
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Their combined IQ would be a number not quantifiable by MIT mathematicians. The result of the equation would be negative fuckwad squared.

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You can not see who actually owns a 'corporation' unless they want you to know. (should change)
The wall was but a example that I can think of over a dozen more likely items far worse.
The media can chase that all they want and likely get nowhere.
Tax returns will tell you just that, unless you are frauding the government, which I assume is not the case.
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You can not see who actually owns a 'corporation' unless they want you to know. (should change)
The wall was but a example that I can think of over a dozen more likely items far worse.
The media can chase that all they want and likely get nowhere.
Tax returns will tell you just that, unless you are frauding the government, which I assume is not the case.
And of course...The IRS ALREADY has every tax return that Trump ever filed.

If anyone would like to test that...just try cheating on your taxes or laundering money or anything at all suspicious and just watch what the IRS does to you.

All the media and the Democrat politicians want his tax returns for are to use them against him in the 2020 campaign. Nothing more, nothing less.

It would be bad enough to make your private affairs (that have NOTHING to do with your elected position and the job you are doing) available to even one person...much less your political enemies who are not only out to destroy you politically, but also personally and have went after your family and anyone associated with you.

Why in the world would anyone willingly hand those assholes more ammunition?
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No we care, because we already know he's a criminal and soon it gets proven the soon we never have to hear him utter stupid shit again

Also I will take great pleasure seeing him get his ego deflated..
You think the IRS wouldn't have already done something if he committed a crime revealed by his tax returns?

You should check for an exhaust leak in your van. Your logic is turning to mush
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Old 04-08-2019, 06:49 PM   #64
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I think all elected officials should have to disclose their taxes. The voters deserve to know where their money came from, who they owe, or what their businesses are.

Hell, there are a lot of jobs in the FBI, CIA, and other law enforcement where you have to get a credit check and divulge your financial information. If it is good enough for law enforcement it is good enough for Mayors, Governors, Senators, Presidents, etc.
Where in Oregon are background checks and credit reports released to the public?
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So then, Trump shouldn't be so scared. Yet he is. What is he afraid of and what is he trying to hide?
He probably thinks it is none of your fucking business, and he would be right.

What makes you think your Canadian opinion matters to him?
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So it matters more to be born the in the USA than it matters to not be an unethical piece of shit who cheats and swindles his way through life? And stop with the Kenya shit. You're a fucking moron.
It's the fucking law.
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Yet every Presidential candidate during my lifetime has released their taxes.

What does he have to hide?
During your lifetime, like that should be the bar. You aren't that fucking old.
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And of course...The IRS ALREADY has every tax return that Trump ever filed.

If anyone would like to test that...just try cheating on your taxes or laundering money or anything at all suspicious and just watch what the IRS does to you.

All the media and the Democrat politicians want his tax returns for are to use them against him in the 2020 campaign. Nothing more, nothing less.

It would be bad enough to make your private affairs (that have NOTHING to do with your elected position and the job you are doing) available to even one person...much less your political enemies who are not only out to destroy you politically, but also personally and have went after your family and anyone associated with you.

Why in the world would anyone willingly hand those assholes more ammunition?
Well Robbie,
if there is something in there that can be used against him, it should be and you know that everyone else in modern history running for that office has shown theirs and been scrutinized for it's contents as they are.

I could care less about what party any of them are from, people have a right to know that the highest office in the land is not making decisions for personal gain over the peoples.

And there should not be any reason that he has been unwilling to provide this information unless it indeed damages him worse than his own mouth does.
The more he resists it, the more suspicious I am.
If he is as proud of his personal financial accomplishments as he says, he should be proud to release it.

When the dust settles on this issue, it should be required by law just like the other federal elected offices.
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Where in Oregon are background checks and credit reports released to the public?
For me it is all about our elected leader. An FBI agent doesn't need to have their credit report made public because they likely have very little influence over businesses and political issues.

Say, hypothetically, the President was hundreds of millions in debt to a bank that was known to be owned and run by a rival country's government. Then one day the President does something that helps that country greatly. Shouldn't we know about that kind of stuff?

If a person chooses to run for public office, part of the process should be releasing tax returns. Our system is so corrupt we need to do something to start fixing it. Maybe knowing where people's money is coming from will be a start.
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For me it is all about our elected leader. An FBI agent doesn't need to have their credit report made public because they likely have very little influence over businesses and political issues.

Say, hypothetically, the President was hundreds of millions in debt to a bank that was known to be owned and run by a rival country's government. Then one day the President does something that helps that country greatly. Shouldn't we know about that kind of stuff?

If a person chooses to run for public office, part of the process should be releasing tax returns. Our system is so corrupt we need to do something to start fixing it. Maybe knowing where people's money is coming from will be a start.
Agreed with additional notes...
That FBI agent your referring is 'not a elected official' and while his credit report is not made public, it is looked at and scrutinized by internal security and may effect getting the job or promotions.

Why should POTUS be less than that. The people HIRE him/her. The people have the option on what is important to them. Bad or not.
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Agreed with additional notes...
That FBI agent your referring is 'not a elected official' and while his credit report is not made public, it is looked at and scrutinized by internal security and may effect getting the job or promotions.

Why should POTUS be less than that. The people HIRE him/her.
Correct. They look it over and it can have an effect on them getting hired or promoted. They don't hire you unless they know a hell of a lot about you.
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For me it is all about our elected leader. An FBI agent doesn't need to have their credit report made public because they likely have very little influence over businesses and political issues.

Say, hypothetically, the President was hundreds of millions in debt to a bank that was known to be owned and run by a rival country's government. Then one day the President does something that helps that country greatly. Shouldn't we know about that kind of stuff?

If a person chooses to run for public office, part of the process should be releasing tax returns. Our system is so corrupt we need to do something to start fixing it. Maybe knowing where people's money is coming from will be a start.
Bingo.

Who do you think Trump owes money to? Only one bank was lending to him - Why do you think that is?
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Guys think about it for a second. ..the NSA already knows everything about all of us.
Further, they especially watch public figures.
Further still, they very, very closrly monitor politicians.
And finally...they went after Trump with a vengeance...even to the point of making shit up (the dossier)

There is nothing that Trump has done with any finances that isn't already known by the spy agencies

That, along with the fact that the IRS has everything Trump ever did financially should tell you there is nothing there.

Mueller and his band of anti-Trump investigators would have led him out of the Oval office in handcuffs.

The ONLY reason any of you haters want to see his taxes is so you can feel good about yourself while crowing about Trump not having as much money as he brags about.

Grow up. The country is doing better right now than it has since Pres. Clinton was in office.

If you still want to act like a baby ..then vote Trump out in 2020, vote for whichever socialist runs against him...and watch the economy collapse.
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The ONLY reason any of you haters want to see his taxes is so you can feel good about yourself while crowing about Trump not having as much money as he brags about.
Brags? You mean lies. It's nice that you are comfortable with him being a liar.

As long as your stocks are up... You will blindly except and explain away anything about Trump.
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It is not the NSA's job to investigate internally as in domestics, including the president. that is the FBI's job.

And even if NSA does know something, they can't say anything unless it has been brought up by those internal investigations by the FBI. They have to ask for it in a lead to what they might be looking into in a chain of evidence with a known/suspicion of a crime. The NSA is not a prosecutor of the law.

All of that gets more complicated because it is POTUS. For as much as we like to think he is not above the law, in many ways, POTUS is if he wishes to be.
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Robbie sure is making a lot of excuses for Trump, meanwhile when Obama was POTUS Robbie couldn't stop finding things to complain about.. Robbie is a liar just like aimike, onehunlow, onewebcam, matt26z ect..ect.. He has no interest in debating honestly. He's a proven liar just like every single one of the other red hats. You can't point to a single Trump supporter and say that guy doesn't lie.. every single one of them lies.
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Robbie sure is making a lot of excuses for Trump, meanwhile when Obama was POTUS Robbie couldn't stop finding things to complain about.. Robbie is a liar just like aimike, onehunlow, onewebcam, matt26z ect..ect.. He has no interest in debating honestly. He's a proven liar just like every single one of the other red hats. You can't point to a single Trump supporter and say that guy doesn't lie.. every single one of them lies.
Robbie is a cuck no? Like for real not just joking?

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Robbie is a cuck no? Like for real not just joking?


Yes a real social libertarian...
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It is not the NSA's job to investigate internally as in domestics, including the president. that is the FBI's job.

And even if NSA does know something, they can't say anything unless it has been brought up by those internal investigations by the FBI. They have to ask for it in a lead to what they might be looking into in a chain of evidence with a known/suspicion of a crime. The NSA is not a prosecutor of the law.

All of that gets more complicated because it is POTUS. For as much as we like to think he is not above the law, in many ways, POTUS is if he wishes to be.
You are kidding right???
Did you not keep up with Edward Snowden releasing all the info on the NSA spying on American citizens???
WTF man.

The NSA knows EVERYTHING. If they had ever thought Trump was a Russian spy he would have been arrested immediately.

Those motherfuckers know what you had for dinner last night.
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You are kidding right???
Did you not keep up with Edward Snowden releasing all the info on the NSA spying on American citizens???
WTF man.

The NSA knows EVERYTHING. If they had ever thought Trump was a Russian spy he would have been arrested immediately.

Those motherfuckers know what you had for dinner last night.
I don't have to argue the point. It is written as the law. Look it up.
Knowing everything is not prosecuting the law. There is a procedure that they must follow.
Part of the sequence they are currently investigating as to the legality of the special council investigation and earlier FBI investigations.
So, you can't have it both ways. There are laws and procedures. You must have just cause to investigate. And your investigation must be tied to evidence in a chain of connecting evidence, or it stops where the chain is broken.

You can not put pieces of different puzzles together and say they fit if they do not. Clear connection is required.

When is the last time you seen the NSA prosecute a case against a citizen ?

If they did not need all of this, in this way, trump would most likely be in jail, so it is a good thing in any case(and in my eyes) as much as it pains me to say that.
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From the mouth (or small fingers) of Trump himself:

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April 2011: “I’ll be doing my tax returns at the appropriate time. I haven’t even announced yet.”

January 2012: “You know if you’re running, at a minimum, probably you’re gonna have to show your returns.”

May 2014: “If I decide to run for office, I’ll produce my tax returns. Absolutely. And I would love to do that.”

February 2015: “I would certainly show tax returns if it was necessary... I have no objection to certainly showing tax returns.”

April 2015: “I wanna tell you right now, I have no problem with giving my tax returns.”

August 2015: “We’ll see what I’m gonna do with tax returns. I have no major problem with it, but I may tie them to a release of Hillary’s emails.”

October 2015: “Maybe when we find out the true story on Hillary’s emails.”

January 2016: “We’re working on that right now. I have very big returns, as you know. And I have everything all approved and very beautiful, and we’ll be working on that over the next period of time. We’re working on it right now and at the appropriate time you’ll be very satisfied.”

February 2016: “Probably over the next few months. They’re being worked on right now. It’s very complicated stuff, but we’ll be releasing them.”

February 2016: “I’d say over the next 3, 4 months. We’re working on them very hard and they’ll be very good.”

February 2016: “I will absolutely give my return, but I’m being audited now for two or three years, so I can’t do it until the audit is finished. Obviously. As soon as the audit is done, I love it.”

May 2016: “I will really gladly give them. When the audit ends, I’m gonna present ‘em. That should be before the election. I hope it’s before the election.”

September 2016: “And when the audit’s complete I’ll release my returns. I have no problem with it. It doesn’t matter.”

September 2016 Debate: “I will release my tax returns — against my lawyer’s wishes — when she releases her 33,000 emails that have been deleted.”
Trump becomes president.

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Nothing prevents individuals from sharing their own tax returns, even while under audit from the IRS. Trump refused to provide an audit letter to prove that he’s under audit. Even Michael Cohen testified that he was unable to obtain one.

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Makes me wonder who really are the ones with derangement syndrome - those who call Trump out on this or those who blindly follow that psychopathic clown.
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To answer the question....

ONLY EVERYTHING.
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With all the fuss about Trump's tax returns, one would think the Democrats would be passing a law that made it mandatory for elected officials to open their books on where their money comes from.

But!!!
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At least 3 states will not allow him to appear on the ballot if he does not show them.

I had to think about this for a moment...
And I can't find a reason this would not be allowed. States get to set their voting rules by themselves and must live up to them on day of election.

But still I see perhaps one more SC fight.

In any case, I think it is a bad idea in president. But perhaps glad it will likely be tested now and know what the standard is going to be as it can be changed. But it is one of those issues the right may have problems fighting since they are always claiming states rights (when it suits them). Example being stripping states rights to regulate their interest rates for credit cards and drinking age etc.
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Old 04-14-2019, 07:43 PM   #86
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At least 3 states will not allow him to appear on the ballot if he does not show them.

I had to think about this for a moment...
And I can't find a reason this would not be allowed. States get to set their voting rules by themselves and must live up to them on day of election.

But still I see perhaps one more SC fight.

In any case, I think it is a bad idea in president. But perhaps glad it will likely be tested now and know what the standard is going to be as it can be changed. But it is one of those issues the right may have problems fighting since they are always claiming states rights (when it suits them). Example being stripping states rights to regulate their interest rates for credit cards and drinking age etc.
What 3 states was he not on the ballot?
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Because every "reporter" from every media organization is watching everything they can find on the border wall and every last penny Trump spends on anything.

And again...the IRS already knows what is in his return.
There is a reason that politicians aren't allowed to see people's personal info.
That's the kind of thing done in authoritarian countries.
The IRS might know what is in Trump's taxes, but would have no idea if any laws were broken.

The IRS investigates tax fraud. The IRS does not investigate insurance fraud or bank fraud. If Trump's business collected a million dollars in a insurance claim but there was no damage, that's insurance fraud. If Trump applied for loans and made himself out to have four or five times more in assets or cash on hand compared to what he really had, that's bank fraud.

The IRS isn't looking into if Trump has any financial connection to any businesses that might be used to build a wall.

And no, this is not the kind of hing done in authoritarian countries. Every candidate in the past forty years has released their tax returns. They do this to ensure the public they do not have any conflicts.

What exactly is Trump hiding?

Newsflash for Republicans... His tax returns are coming out. Maybe not next week or next month or next year, but all of this is going to come out eventually.
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Old 04-14-2019, 08:30 PM   #88
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What 3 states was he not on the ballot?
Obviously, this has not happened yet... it was a threat for when the ballots are created.
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The IRS might know what is in Trump's taxes, but would have no idea if any laws were broken.

The IRS investigates tax fraud. The IRS does not investigate insurance fraud or bank fraud. If Trump's business collected a million dollars in a insurance claim but there was no damage, that's insurance fraud. If Trump applied for loans and made himself out to have four or five times more in assets or cash on hand compared to what he really had, that's bank fraud.

The IRS isn't looking into if Trump has any financial connection to any businesses that might be used to build a wall.

And no, this is not the kind of hing done in authoritarian countries. Every candidate in the past forty years has released their tax returns. They do this to ensure the public they do not have any conflicts.

What exactly is Trump hiding?

Newsflash for Republicans... His tax returns are coming out. Maybe not next week or next month or next year, but all of this is going to come out eventually.
At a minimum,
The way I read the law, it is legal for congress, or at least intelligence committee of the House and or Senate, to review them, but not release them to the public and commence investigations based on the findings. But eventual release of parts that lead to high crimes or misdemeanors would have to be made public. But it has to start with a reasonable suspicion of a crime to bring those tax returns into question. It requires a chain of evidence to take you to those returns.

But congress is using some other older statue to do the same. perhaps a little cleaner with respect to a challenge in the SC.
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Sanders told “Fox News Sunday” host Chris Wallace that she thought members of Congress “weren’t smart enough” to understand Trump’s tax returns.

“This is a dangerous, dangerous road,” said Sanders. “And frankly, Chris, I don't think Congress, particularly not this group of congressmen and women, are smart enough to look through the thousands of pages that I would assume that President Trump’s taxes will be.”
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he could be like me???? my income is none of your biz. just sayin...
Now if he never became President then your right but he is our president. So he loses its none of our business. Presidents have only been doing this for 40 yrs but Trump doesn't do it and it's ok. If Obama did half of what he did, the board righties would be screaming to high heaven.
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The IRS might know what is in Trump's taxes, but would have no idea if any laws were broken.

The IRS investigates tax fraud. The IRS does not investigate insurance fraud or bank fraud. If Trump's business collected a million dollars in a insurance claim but there was no damage, that's insurance fraud. If Trump applied for loans and made himself out to have four or five times more in assets or cash on hand compared to what he really had, that's bank fraud.

The IRS isn't looking into if Trump has any financial connection to any businesses that might be used to build a wall.

And no, this is not the kind of hing done in authoritarian countries. Every candidate in the past forty years has released their tax returns. They do this to ensure the public they do not have any conflicts.

What exactly is Trump hiding?

Newsflash for Republicans... His tax returns are coming out. Maybe not next week or next month or next year, but all of this is going to come out eventually.
I don't think its crimes he is hiding. I think it's first he isn't really a billionaire or its 1 or 2 not 10. Also that all his financing comes from Russia as his own son said in 2014. Which probably makes him a Russia asset because of the financial connection. But the righties are hypocrites, When Rommey ran he said Russia was the biggest threat and they all cheered. Now its like they aren't that bad. Just like debt was the biggest problem and end of the world while Obama was President now its not so important as Trump is running it to new highs. lol
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Quite honestly, I think it is his debt structure and the way he has went about it.

Some of that could be illegal ? But I'm sure he has been lying to those financial institutions and perhaps those in other country's.

But more important, the level of debt probably puts him at risk of undue influence. That part needs revealed publicly to be sure judgements are fair and by the voters only, provided no wrong doing is found.
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Quite honestly, I think it is his debt structure and the way he has went about it.

Some of that could be illegal ? But I'm sure he has been lying to those financial institutions and perhaps those in other country's.

But more important, the level of debt probably puts him at risk of undue influence. That part needs revealed publicly to be sure judgements are fair and by the voters only, provided no wrong doing is found.
There are stories that he is hundreds of millions in debt to some pretty shady banks and he lied about his assets to get those loans. I don't know if that is true, but if it is, that is something he would not want getting out there.
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There are stories that he is hundreds of millions in debt to some pretty shady banks and he lied about his assets to get those loans. I don't know if that is true, but if it is, that is something he would not want getting out there.
As I have said in these threads for years, his debt is kinda pf a pyramid structure (upside down).
He is lucky if he can maintain the interest payments on it.
Rates go up a quarter point, he needs new loans to cover for it on top of new loans to maintain it.

Undoubtedly, this will unravel sometime soon. But while he is still POTUS ? Probably not.

It will come when nobody will give him new loans or interest spikes to much to soon.
But in a way, the banks will not take action even if they now know. Realizing the losses would devastate them. As long as he maintains those interest payments, all is good.
There are to many eyes on him for him to make many of the plays he might have, many have to be disclosed while in office.
And if you have been paying attention, he seems overly concerned with interest rates.
Lying about the value of assets would be top on the list.
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They want to use it against him to make the poor liberals be more jealous
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Just keep in mind, when those bank loans go south, it will be a chain reaction just like Bernie Madoff.

But guess who pays for the Billions down the tubes...
You do in many different forms from the banks trying to make up for the losses and not limited to tax revenue you will need to offset eventually.

If congress does not get it now, everyone else will when he is no longer POTUS. But it is coming. His biz days are over when he leaves office.
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