Ocasio-Cortez goes on tear defending role in Amazon’s New York exit - GoFuckYourself.com

OneHungLo · 02-20-2019, 09:21 AM

Ocasio-Cortez just cost the state of New York

- 25,000 NEW EMPLOYEES

- @$150,000 AVERAGE SALARY

- $27.5 BILLION IN TAX REVENUES

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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez vigorously defended her role in sinking Amazon’s move to New York City on Tuesday in the face of bipartisan criticism, claiming the deal would have been “one of the biggest giveaways in state history” and would have priced people out of the local community.

“Frankly, the knee-jerk reaction assuming that I ‘don’t understand’ how tax giveaways to corps work is disappointing,” she tweeted. “No, it’s not possible that I could come to a different conclusion. The debate *must* be over my intelligence & understanding, instead of the merits of the deal.”

The freshman Democratic New York congresswoman has faced days of criticism from normally friendly media voices and fellow Democrats over her role in Amazon's decision to pull back from building a $2.5 billion campus in the Long Island City neighborhood of Queens.

Amazon had cited the opposition of “a number of state and local politicians” in its decision to abandon the plans. Ocasio-Cortez and others at the local level had pointed to incentives such as a $2.5 billion in tax breaks as a reason for their opposition.

“If we were willing to give away $3 billion for this deal, we could invest those $3 billion in our district ourselves, if we wanted to. We could hire out more teachers. We can fix our subways. We can put a lot of people to work for that money, if we wanted to,” Ocasio-Cortez said last week.

Mayor Bill de Blasio pushed back on that claim on Sunday. Even as he slammed Amazon for its decision, the mayor said critics wrongly suggested that tax breaks represented money that could be spent on other things. He said it wasn’t “money you had over here. And it was going over there.”

The Democratic mayor said: “That $3 billion that would go back in tax incentives was only after we were getting the jobs and getting the revenue.”

ellow Democratic Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., accused those who are against the deal, including Ocasio-Cortez, of being opposed to jobs.

"It used to be that we would protest wars. Now we are protesting jobs?” she said on CNN Friday, before criticizing the economic arguments of those opposed to the Amazon move.

"I'm a progressive too, but I'm pragmatic,” she said. “We are $4 billion less than we usually get and yet we are kicking out a company that would have been projected [to pay] over 10 years roughly $27 billion in taxes.”

New York Times columnist Andrew Ross Sorkin ripped into critics of the deal, saying it was evidence of a “financial literacy epidemic” in America.

“Quick lesson: NYC wasn’t handing cash to Amazon. It was an incentive program based on job creation, producing tax revenue,” he tweeted. “There isn’t a $3 billion pile of money that can now be spent on subways or education.”

But on Tuesday, Ocasio-Cortez mocked critics, saying “there’s NO WAY that this deal - one of the biggest giveaways in state history - could possibly have been bad, right?

“Surely there can’t be anything wrong with suddenly announcing a massive restructuring & pricing out of a community without any advance notice or input from them,” she asked.

In her list of criticisms, she included claims that Amazon was selling facial recognition tech to immigration officials, and that real-estate insiders were creating rent spikes.

“Folks handling the failed deal treated community w/condescension+disdain for their legitimate concerns,” she argued. “I warned early to any & all that surging NYC costs+failing subways are creating major political forces to be reckoned with.”

“But I don’t know what I’m talking about, right?” she quipped, with a shrugging emoji.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oca...le-amazon-deal

King Mark · 02-20-2019, 09:26 AM

FYI, NY'ers don't care.

Bunch of people not from there trying to have fake outrage for redneck/hat points.

OneHungLo · 02-20-2019, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dead Eye

FYI, NY'ers don't care.

Bunch of people not from there trying to have fake outrage for redneck/hat points.

27 billion is a lot in tax revenue. What a colossal blunder. I'm sure 25,000 jobs @ 150k a year would have helped.

Rochard · 02-20-2019, 09:29 AM

I am perfectly fine with what happened.

In all honesty, Amazon was about to bend NYC over and fuck it from behind. It went to NYC and said "We aren't going to pay ANY taxes" and expect the city to shell out tens of millions of dollars. No. Unemployment in NYC is 4.3%, right in line with everyone else.... They don't need the jobs. Amazon can go fuck itself.

I love Amazon. I have Amazon dots in every room, and buy from them a few times a month. However, they pull in billions of profits and don't pay ANY taxes. Fuck that.

pimpmaster9000 · 02-20-2019, 09:31 AM

the right wing is too stupid to see the real problem: 99.9999% of all business owners pay their taxes...except bezos...right wingers will pretend that no other jobs will ever be available...

great idea: why not give everybody a tax break? oh right...somebody has to pay taxes...

not bezos tho

beerptrol · 02-20-2019, 09:32 AM

Trump has done more damage, but go on with your agenda and defend your corporate masters!

King Mark · 02-20-2019, 09:35 AM

Those jobs would have went to commuters from Jersey and upstate while the nyc residents got priced out for continued gentrification.

Fuck all that.

OneHungLo · 02-20-2019, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dead Eye

Those jobs would have went to commuters from Jersey and upstate while the nyc residents got priced out for continued gentrification.

Fuck all that.

Oh I guess cleaning out the ghetto trash and making the place more safe and desirable is a bad thing? lol

Sorry you're not entitled to live anywhere when you're not paying for it. If you want to choose where you live, get off the government dole.

King Mark · 02-20-2019, 09:44 AM

Ghetto trash? Queens is safe af, clean and damn near suburban compared to the rest of nyc.

This ain't the 80s no more lol.

Them residents need good paying jobs, not corporations driving up their living expenses while the jobs go to non-residents.

OneHungLo · 02-20-2019, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I am perfectly fine with what happened.

In all honesty, Amazon was about to bend NYC over and fuck it from behind. It went to NYC and said "We aren't going to pay ANY taxes" and expect the city to shell out tens of millions of dollars. No. Unemployment in NYC is 4.3%, right in line with everyone else.... They don't need the jobs. Amazon can go fuck itself.

I love Amazon. I have Amazon dots in every room, and buy from them a few times a month. However, they pull in billions of profits and don't pay ANY taxes. Fuck that.

Oh i'm are you are, rochard. Imagine if trump did this you would have a coronary.

And they would have paid over 27 billion in taxes you moron.

directfiesta · 02-20-2019, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

27 billion is a lot in tax revenue. What a colossal blunder. I'm sure 25,000 jobs @ 150k a year would have helped.

sure , 150K per job ..... drink the FOX Kool-Aid ....

OneHungLo · 02-20-2019, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

sure , 150K per job ..... drink the FOX Kool-Aid ....

That's right from that baby killer (D) Cuomo.

Sly · 02-20-2019, 10:16 AM

One thing I'm curious about…

I read somewhere that she had a $4000 savings account and people were ripping on her about it. I think that's fantastic. Most people don't have any savings account at all. It's nice to see that she does.

But what I'm curious about is, how does that play into the vision of a socialist? That $4000 is more than most will ever have. What is the acceptable limit of somebody saving money and being able to say that they shouldn't have to spread the wealth with others?

directfiesta · 02-20-2019, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

That's right from that baby killer (D) Cuomo.

Thx for the link

pimpmaster9000 · 02-20-2019, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

But what I'm curious about is, how does that play into the vision of a socialist? That $4000 is more than most will ever have. What is the acceptable limit of somebody saving money and being able to say that they shouldn't have to spread the wealth with others?

this is not what socialism or communism is about...both systems naturally want their citizens to earn lots of money...but both in theory want as much equality as possible therefore the means of production are owned by everybody...

you would be surprised at how normal communism was for example in yugoslavia...it worked until the west started to meddle...people had considerable savings accounts because the state gave away houses and apartments and most of the population had 0 debt...

Sly · 02-20-2019, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

this is not what socialism or communism is about...both systems naturally want their citizens to earn lots of money...but both in theory want as much equality as possible therefore the means of production are owned by everybody...

This is what I have a problem with, or maybe don't understand.

The fact that she was able to save $4000 means that she was able to lower her expenses to an amount, by sacrificing, and able to save that additional money whereas other people were not able to. This could then mean that next time she should be paid less money because the $4000 is proof that she didn't truly need it all.

The government does this with budgets all the time. They will give a department a budget of let's say $1 million. If that department finds a way to have expenses of only $900,000, that leaves $100,000 left over. The next budget cycle, that department will only get $900,000 because they proved in the previous cycle that's all they really needed. This leads to departments burning through every penny they are given because they don't want to lose their budget the next time. Creating extreme waste and nonchalant attitudes towards money when they should be rewarded for saving money instead of punished.

But what you are saying is, "I will give you both the same exact job, with the same exact opportunities and what you do with those opportunities is on you." Is that right?

Rochard · 02-20-2019, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

One thing I'm curious about…

I read somewhere that she had a $4000 savings account and people were ripping on her about it. I think that's fantastic. Most people don't have any savings account at all. It's nice to see that she does.

But what I'm curious about is, how does that play into the vision of a socialist? That $4000 is more than most will ever have. What is the acceptable limit of somebody saving money and being able to say that they shouldn't have to spread the wealth with others?

We have the impression that everyone in Congress is rich. That is not always the case.

One time CNN did an interview with Rep. Jason Chaffetz, discussing how he sleeps in his office. According to the video, he makes $174k a year.... That's a lot of money to maintain a house at home and also an apartment in Washington DC.

It's really an interesting video...

Not everyone in Congress is rich. And I think we need more of this. Someone like Donald Trump who obviously hasn't been in a grocery store in forty years and someone like Hillary Clinton who hasn't driven a car in forty years shouldn't be making our laws. We need average every day ordinary Americans who understands the impact of the laws they pass.

Bladewire · 02-20-2019, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

One thing I'm curious about…

I read somewhere that she had a $4000 savings account and people were ripping on her about it. I think that's fantastic. Most people don't have any savings account at all. It's nice to see that she does.

But what I'm curious about is, how does that play into the vision of a socialist? That $4000 is more than most will ever have. What is the acceptable limit of somebody saving money and being able to say that they shouldn't have to spread the wealth with others?

Saving money & personal wealth are fine with Democratic socialists.

I'm not a socialist. I'm a blue dog Democrat.

I'm going to point out what is socialist in our current society in America.

GoFundMe - socialist

Pooling money to build a wall - socialist

Public schools - socialist

Military - socialist

Medicaid - socialist

Social security - socialist

Socialists believe the government should provide basic needs & services like healthcare, education, etc. to citizens.

Democratic socialists don't believe in authoritative governments controlling your every move they believe in voting & the power of the people. They also believe in taking the dark money & corporate bribes/lobbying out of government.

https://www.businessinsider.com/diff...cialist-2018-6

pimpmaster9000 · 02-20-2019, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

This is what I have a problem with, or maybe don't understand.

The fact that she was able to save $4000 means that she was able to lower her expenses to an amount, by sacrificing, and able to save that additional money whereas other people were not able to. This could then mean that next time she should be paid less money because the $4000 is proof that she didn't truly need it all.

The government does this with budgets all the time. They will give a department a budget of let's say $1 million. If that department finds a way to have expenses of only $900,000, that leaves $100,000 left over. The next budget cycle, that department will only get $900,000 because they proved in the previous cycle that's all they really needed. This leads to departments burning through every penny they are given because they don't want to lose their budget the next time. Creating extreme waste and nonchalant attitudes towards money when they should be rewarded for saving money instead of punished.

But what you are saying is, "I will give you both the same exact job, with the same exact opportunities and what you do with those opportunities is on you." Is that right?

this is not how it worked at all...people in communist countries had savings because they had 0 debt...nobody told them they have too much and nobody told them what to do with the money...what you are saying does not exist...my grandmother left her life savings to my mom it was a considerable amount of money and it was accumulated and stored in a commie bank for like 50 years...it is unimaginable that some state official would come and take her money...I come from a banking family and I can tell you that there was no legal mechanism for the state to do this until recently even for unpaid taxes...10 years ago there was SHIT the state could do to take your money...

I have only had my money seized by americans...first egold and 1mdc then liberty reserve...I would never ever ever under any circumstances bank in the USA...not because of americans but because of the US gov and how happy they are to seize shit...

OneHungLo · 02-20-2019, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

this is not what socialism or communism is about...both systems naturally want their citizens to earn lots of money...but both in theory want as much equality as possible therefore the means of production are owned by everybody...

you would be surprised at how normal communism was for example in yugoslavia...it worked until the west started to meddle...people had considerable savings accounts because the state gave away houses and apartments and most of the population had 0 debt...

Oh everything was hunky-dory in communism land. There's always an excuse why it always fails

OneHungLo · 02-20-2019, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Saving money & personal wealth are fine with Democratic socialists.

I'm not a socialist. I'm a blue dog Democrat.

I'm going to point out what is socialist in our current society in America.

GoFundMe - socialist

Pooling money to build a wall - socialist

Public schools - socialist

Military - socialist

Medicaid - socialist

Social security - socialist

And we have all these services directly because of CAPITALISM and free markets.

Acepimp · 02-20-2019, 03:12 PM

This is the only thing that I agree with AOC on. Amazon should help other cities that really need it.

TheSquealer · 02-20-2019, 04:11 PM

DukeSkywalker · 02-20-2019, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dead Eye

FYI, NY'ers don't care.

Bunch of people not from there trying to have fake outrage for redneck/hat points.

They care

Bladewire · 02-20-2019, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Saving money & personal wealth are fine with Democratic socialists.

I'm not a socialist. I'm a blue dog Democrat.

I'm going to point out what is socialist in our current society in America.

GoFundMe - socialist

Pooling money to build a wall - socialist

Public schools - socialist

Military - socialist

Medicaid - socialist

Social security - socialist

Socialists believe the government should provide basic needs & services like healthcare, education, etc. to citizens.

Democratic socialists don't believe in authoritative governments controlling your every move they believe in voting & the power of the people. They also believe in taking the dark money & corporate bribes/lobbying out of government.

https://www.businessinsider.com/diff...cialist-2018-6

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

And we have all these services directly because of CAPITALISM and free markets.

Why are you lying?

You still can't have an honest conversation. You're back on ignore.

Definition of socialism. 1 : any of various economic and/or political devices advocating collective or governmental ownership and/or administration of the means of production and distribution of goods and/or services.

GAMEFINEST · 02-20-2019, 10:15 PM

She has some nice knockers..

Mr Pheer · 02-20-2019, 10:17 PM

Lets see how you guys feel about her when the newest bunch of shit comes out. You'll see her version of socialism, at least concerning her boyfriend.

Should be hitting the news just about now...

pimpmaster9000 · 02-21-2019, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Oh everything was hunky-dory in communism land. There's always an excuse why it always fails

It worked fine...we did not have nukes or bacteria to keep invaders out...big mistake...

directfiesta · 02-21-2019, 09:42 AM

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The Job Creators Network (JCN) is an advocacy group founded by Home Depot co-founder and former CEO Bernie Marcus.[1] It describes its agenda as to promote small businesses and has been described as leaning conservative.[2]

BTW, nice avatar ....

Your usage confirms what most people saw ... a liitle smart ass racist punk

OneHungLo · 02-21-2019, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

It worked fine...we did not have nukes or bacteria to keep invaders out...big mistake...

haha no it didn't. It failed miserably and you know it.

Bladewire · 02-21-2019, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

The Job Creators Network (JCN) is an advocacy group founded by Home Depot co-founder and former CEO Bernie Marcus.[1] It describes its agenda as to promote small businesses and has been described as leaning conservative.[2]

BTW, nice avatar ....

Your usage confirms what most people saw ... a liitle smart ass racist punk

It's very well established here that he's a dumbass not a smartass

OneHungLo · 02-21-2019, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

The Job Creators Network (JCN) is an advocacy group founded by Home Depot co-founder and former CEO Bernie Marcus.[1] It describes its agenda as to promote small businesses and has been described as leaning conservative.[2]

Who cares who put it up - the message is still the same - we need to keep you libs as far away as possible from our economy.

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BTW, nice avatar ....

Your usage confirms what most people saw ... a liitle smart ass racist punk

Watch your step there mooslim. I'm sure the lawyers could add your ass on to any of the many defamation lawsuits they have going.

pimpmaster9000 · 02-21-2019, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

haha no it didn't. It failed miserably and you know it.

Never go full paul markham...

kane · 02-21-2019, 05:48 PM

To quote Obama, elections have consequences. If the people of New York are not happy with her performances, they can vote her out in 2020.

OneHungLo · 02-21-2019, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

Never go full paul markham...

Everything I've read says it was a colossal failure. Can you point me to some literature to the contrary?

Mr Pheer · 02-21-2019, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

To quote Obama, elections have consequences. If the people of New York are not happy with her performances, they can vote her out in 2020.

King Mark · 02-21-2019, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

They care

No, they don't. Only a small minority give a shit.

pimpmaster9000 · 02-22-2019, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Everything I've read says it was a colossal failure. Can you point me to some literature to the contrary?

I can speak only for yugoslavia...my dad purchased a brand new volkswagen beetle from his first 2 salaries in his first ever job...keep in mind the beetle was a new car back then and considered a good normal car...I spent nearly 20 years of my life in communism and had 6 shops by the time I was 18, my workers had decent salaries with which they could support their families without any problems...everybody I knew had 0 debt and 0 rent free college free healthcare etc...

I have no doubt invader US literature will say everything but invader politics is evil and a massive failure....your western empires depend on exploitation of everybody possible and a democratic system is easy to control with your printed money...I can understand why you hate communism and I am happy to see commies resist you invaders everywhere possible...

OneHungLo · 02-22-2019, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

I can speak only for yugoslavia...my dad purchased a brand new volkswagen beetle from his first 2 salaries in his first ever job...keep in mind the beetle was a new car back then and considered a good normal car...I spent nearly 20 years of my life in communism and had 6 shops by the time I was 18, my workers had decent salaries with which they could support their families without any problems...everybody I knew had 0 debt and 0 rent free college free healthcare etc...

I have no doubt invader US literature will say everything but invader politics is evil and a massive failure....your western empires depend on exploitation of everybody possible and a democratic system is easy to control with your printed money...I can understand why you hate communism and I am happy to see commies resist you invaders everywhere possible...

That's why I asked you. Surely you can point to something (other than yourself) praising this communism and how it was so wonderful. Like I said, everything I've read on it say it not only failed but failed miserably.

What kind of shops did you have? Were they run like a normal shop? Like you buy products, you mark them up, sell them and keep the profits? How does that all work in a communist society vs capitalistic?

OneHungLo · 02-22-2019, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Dead Eye

No, they don't. Only a small minority give a shit.

Yeah I guess the people that don't work for a living don't care. It's not like they were going to get a job anyways

King Mark · 02-22-2019, 10:12 AM

^^do you ever have any idea what you talking about?

OneHungLo · 02-22-2019, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dead Eye

^^do you ever have any idea what you talking about?

Like i'm sure nobody cares that she cost the state 30 billion in tax revenue and 25,000 jobs.

No biggie.

You know who doesn't care? Probably the people who run in your circle aka the unemployed aka the gibbmedats.

TheSquealer · 02-22-2019, 10:47 AM

pimpmaster9000 · 02-22-2019, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

That's why I asked you. Surely you can point to something (other than yourself) praising this communism and how it was so wonderful. Like I said, everything I've read on it say it not only failed but failed miserably.

What kind of shops did you have? Were they run like a normal shop? Like you buy products, you mark them up, sell them and keep the profits? How does that all work in a communist society vs capitalistic?

dude I had 0 documents for my 6 shops I had 18 unregistered workers and the main shop was 2 floors under the "serbian IRS" branch...I was a software pirate I sold everything from ZX spectrum audio tapes to commodore amiga floppy disks to PC disks to CDs...there was no register, no receipt, no proof of rent...I literally opened up a draw with money and filled my pockets until they bulged up and moved to the next shop...by the time I had registered my first company and opened my first bank account I had 15+ years of doing business under my belt and had millions of $$ in turnover before I walked in to a bank and opened an account out of curiosity...I registered a company over a lawyer and never used it for 14 years after that LOL...thats freedom...dont be jelly

communism failed because of the leaders and of course western pressure...we did not print money like you guys, we did not cheat and loan shark...communism is not inherently evil and does not prevent private business...99% of all people are surprisingly free, like in my example where I just opened up a shop and nobody gave me any shit...you could do shit...just build a house...ask nobody...no gay permits...just build that shit...

I can only speak for yugoslavia, communism worked and it is not up for debate...it was not perfect, I am not saying there were not problems, but the people lived much much better than in capitalism and "democracy" today...

King Mark · 02-22-2019, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Like i'm sure nobody cares that she cost the state 30 billion in tax revenue and 25,000 jobs.

No biggie.

You know who doesn't care? Probably the people who run in your circle aka the unemployed aka the gibbmedats.

Unemployed gibbmedats? Lmao

Let's see, your favorite gfy poster (Paul Markham) is an unemployed gibbmedat marriage immigrant. I'm a self employed successful master of the w3bz.

Wanna compare traffic stats?

King Mark · 02-22-2019, 12:28 PM

Amazon wanna go to NY, better Gibb the residents dat jobs. Or kick rocks. Simple.

TheSquealer · 02-22-2019, 12:34 PM

The same people arguing against 25,000 jobs and BILLIONS in tax revenue are the same people that cheered on Obama with the longest, slowest and most anemic economic recovery ever, stagnant wage growth, horrible jobs numbers, lowest workforce participation rate ever and who said "those jobs aren't coming back", mocking Trump for saying he'd create jobs etc and then hate Trump for undoing crippling regs on day 1, having a roaring economy, becoming the worlds largest oil producer, having all time low unemployment numbers, rapidly growing manufacturing jobs etc. and then say "Obama did it".

How much do you have to really hate your country to defend failure and hate success?

OneHungLo · 02-22-2019, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dead Eye

Unemployed gibbmedats? Lmao

Let's see, your favorite gfy poster (Paul Markham) is an unemployed gibbmedat marriage immigrant. I'm a self employed successful master of the w3bz.

Wanna compare traffic stats?

Are you retarded? If you work, pay into the system and then retire, you are not on the gibbs lol.

Be honest - How many people do you know that have for 2 and 3 generations been on the dole? Those are the gibbmedats.

notinmybackyard · 02-22-2019, 01:59 PM

Just so that I understand this conversation.

A. We're in a forum for pornographers and smut peddlers.
B. There are actually people here arguing for socialism/communism

I'll admit that I want full on government censorship of porn to the point that society becomes a puritan hell hole of horny Amish masturbators. But this is because I know that in such environments the value of a fuck video goes through the roof.

However, the last thing I want is a government system that controls the market place. Without an open market producing and selling smut becomes a very very dangerous occupation.

So although I would love censorship there's no way that I can ever support socialism. At least with the Mafia if you shut your mouth and did your job you could make money and keep from getting killed. ....

But with socialism you might as well just kill yourself.

OneHungLo · 02-22-2019, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

dude I had 0 documents for my 6 shops I had 18 unregistered workers and the main shop was 2 floors under the "serbian IRS" branch...I was a software pirate I sold everything from ZX spectrum audio tapes to commodore amiga floppy disks to PC disks to CDs...there was no register, no receipt, no proof of rent...I literally opened up a draw with money and filled my pockets until they bulged up and moved to the next shop...by the time I had registered my first company and opened my first bank account I had 15+ years of doing business under my belt and had millions of $$ in turnover before I walked in to a bank and opened an account out of curiosity...I registered a company over a lawyer and never used it for 14 years after that LOL...thats freedom...dont be jelly

communism failed because of the leaders and of course western pressure...we did not print money like you guys, we did not cheat and loan shark...communism is not inherently evil and does not prevent private business...99% of all people are surprisingly free, like in my example where I just opened up a shop and nobody gave me any shit...you could do shit...just build a house...ask nobody...no gay permits...just build that shit...

I can only speak for yugoslavia, communism worked and it is not up for debate...it was not perfect, I am not saying there were not problems, but the people lived much much better than in capitalism and "democracy" today...

Yeah so cash based pirating is a way to fuel an economy in the 21st century

I mean come on dude...

Yeah I wish I could stuff my pockets full of ill gotten gains but that's not really a way to run an economy and not overall representative of how communism works

02-20-2019, 09:26 AM	#2
King Mark Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 24,260	FYI, NY'ers don't care. Bunch of people not from there trying to have fake outrage for redneck/hat points. __________________

02-20-2019, 09:29 AM	#4
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 70,159	I am perfectly fine with what happened. In all honesty, Amazon was about to bend NYC over and fuck it from behind. It went to NYC and said "We aren't going to pay ANY taxes" and expect the city to shell out tens of millions of dollars. No. Unemployment in NYC is 4.3%, right in line with everyone else.... They don't need the jobs. Amazon can go fuck itself. I love Amazon. I have Amazon dots in every room, and buy from them a few times a month. However, they pull in billions of profits and don't pay ANY taxes. Fuck that. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

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pimpmaster9000 Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 26,732	the right wing is too stupid to see the real problem: 99.9999% of all business owners pay their taxes...except bezos...right wingers will pretend that no other jobs will ever be available... great idea: why not give everybody a tax break? oh right...somebody has to pay taxes... not bezos tho __________________ Report a suspicious cracker: Click Here

02-20-2019, 09:32 AM	#6
beerptrol Confirmed Asshole Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Half way between sobriety and fubar. Posts: 12,722	Trump has done more damage, but go on with your agenda and defend your corporate masters! __________________ “If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other.” -- Ulysses S. Grant

02-20-2019, 09:35 AM	#7
King Mark Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 24,260	Those jobs would have went to commuters from Jersey and upstate while the nyc residents got priced out for continued gentrification. Fuck all that. __________________

02-20-2019, 09:44 AM	#9
King Mark Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 24,260	Ghetto trash? Queens is safe af, clean and damn near suburban compared to the rest of nyc. This ain't the 80s no more lol. Them residents need good paying jobs, not corporations driving up their living expenses while the jobs go to non-residents. __________________

02-20-2019, 10:16 AM	#13
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,217	One thing I'm curious about… I read somewhere that she had a $4000 savings account and people were ripping on her about it. I think that's fantastic. Most people don't have any savings account at all. It's nice to see that she does. But what I'm curious about is, how does that play into the vision of a socialist? That $4000 is more than most will ever have. What is the acceptable limit of somebody saving money and being able to say that they shouldn't have to spread the wealth with others? __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Fully Managed VPS, Daily Backups Included - Starting at $25. Contact for more info. Sell me your: Paysites and Hosting Company. Buy my: Aged Domains and Sites

02-20-2019, 03:12 PM	#22
Acepimp All Facts Matter Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: East Coast Posts: 16,492	This is the only thing that I agree with AOC on. Amazon should help other cities that really need it. __________________ Earn Recurring Money with ➜ Live Adult Webcams \| CrakRevenue \| Dream Cash Like Hot Sluts? >> DaniDanielsPorn.com Just Surfing? Chat with Streamate Camgirls

02-20-2019, 04:11 PM	#23
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 22,678	__________________ If you don't like that Elon Musk bought twitter,... just build your own and stop crying about it.

02-20-2019, 10:15 PM	#26
GAMEFINEST Make STACK$ Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: sexy time Posts: 14,352	She has some nice knockers.. __________________ Compound interest.

02-20-2019, 10:17 PM	#27
Mr Pheer Mark Osterholt Sucks Cock Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In your AirBNB Posts: 18,124	Lets see how you guys feel about her when the newest bunch of shit comes out. You'll see her version of socialism, at least concerning her boyfriend. Should be hitting the news just about now...

02-21-2019, 05:48 PM	#34
kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	To quote Obama, elections have consequences. If the people of New York are not happy with her performances, they can vote her out in 2020.

02-22-2019, 10:12 AM	#41
King Mark Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 24,260	^^do you ever have any idea what you talking about? __________________

02-22-2019, 10:47 AM	#43
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 22,678	__________________ If you don't like that Elon Musk bought twitter,... just build your own and stop crying about it.

02-22-2019, 12:28 PM	#46
King Mark Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 24,260	Amazon wanna go to NY, better Gibb the residents dat jobs. Or kick rocks. Simple. __________________

02-22-2019, 12:34 PM	#47
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 22,678	The same people arguing against 25,000 jobs and BILLIONS in tax revenue are the same people that cheered on Obama with the longest, slowest and most anemic economic recovery ever, stagnant wage growth, horrible jobs numbers, lowest workforce participation rate ever and who said "those jobs aren't coming back", mocking Trump for saying he'd create jobs etc and then hate Trump for undoing crippling regs on day 1, having a roaring economy, becoming the worlds largest oil producer, having all time low unemployment numbers, rapidly growing manufacturing jobs etc. and then say "Obama did it". How much do you have to really hate your country to defend failure and hate success? __________________ If you don't like that Elon Musk bought twitter,... just build your own and stop crying about it.

02-22-2019, 01:59 PM	#49
notinmybackyard Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 3,230	Just so that I understand this conversation. A. We're in a forum for pornographers and smut peddlers. B. There are actually people here arguing for socialism/communism I'll admit that I want full on government censorship of porn to the point that society becomes a puritan hell hole of horny Amish masturbators. But this is because I know that in such environments the value of a fuck video goes through the roof. However, the last thing I want is a government system that controls the market place. Without an open market producing and selling smut becomes a very very dangerous occupation. So although I would love censorship there's no way that I can ever support socialism. At least with the Mafia if you shut your mouth and did your job you could make money and keep from getting killed. .... But with socialism you might as well just kill yourself. __________________ *officially retired as of March 01 2018 but still fucking around and getting into shit.*