klinton

is this some kind of national sport in Serbia ? Our other beloved poster from this Emperium claims to walk the streets of la capital and search for muslims. and document their presence with photos.

Well, hunting for spies is a progress comparing to his hobby, but still...

klinton

Bladewire

He's shell shocked, uncircumcised & has had penises in his butt in prison (his words)

pimpmaster9000

conventional warfare is nothing but a scam...it keeps the military industrial complex nice and fat...I understand that members of the NATO gang think it is "preventing" things but the invaded countries do not agree with the "good intentions" of invaders...

from my 3rd world perspective, anything that makes the gangster alliance weaker is more than welcome...who gives a fuck if it protects the west or not...the west gives 2 shits about the 3rd world anyway...our only option is to wait for nukes and/or bacteria to become the norm in warfare because conventional warfare is not an option for us...until that glorious day when we become free, anything that upsets any gangster alliance is a god send...

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I have no ill will whatsoever...I went to cheer my hero and protect from spies

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VRPdommy

How do you measure how much you did not bleed when you have not been cut ?
I have seen no valid argument to state the harm in a alliance...
And can clearly see the benefits. Understanding that nothing is perfect.

You will need to find some other disinformation that works better than you are using.
You are unconvincing. But I'm open for valid argument.

Some of us do promote changes in how we in the US deal with the 3rd world.
Yes, there is room for improvement. Mainly because of corporate interest influence within government officials. You know the same stuff that happens in Russia, but with fewer players.

spads

The guy who says he hates populists and then supports the original populist. So glad I left Eastern Europe. That place will always be a shit hole because it's filled with guys like him. Just drinking their lives away. The retirement age in Russia BTW is now higher than the average life expectancy for men. LMAO :D

pimpmaster9000

why do you need an alliance when you have nukes?...exactly...you do not...everybody leaves you the fuck alone...you either have an explanation on how one would attack a nuked up country or your argument for conventional warfare is invalid...the dude with "off" needs no allies...he has "off"...

conventional warfare is a protection racket...the big players have a vested interest in it staying this way...there is no disinformation from my side, it is the cold hard truth: the weak get fucked until they nuke up...

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the enemy of my enemy is my friend...you would do the same...for example if daquan does not want to leave you alone but glock boi is his enemy then glock boi is the one you are rooting for...the lesser of 2 evils...once we nuke up then both daquan and glock boi can fuck off...

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Poor poland
you homeless too ?))

Paul Markham

What is Europe investing to prevent war with anyone?

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MaDalton

So Trump is not the only one who doesn't understand how NATO works..

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Paul Markham

So how does it work oh wise one. Tell us all how the funding works to protect Europe from it's neighbour Russia. Or are you just another mindless fool who is anti everything Trump does, good or bad.

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MaDalton

i would write an answer but since you usually don't read or understand anything that doesn't fit your views, it'd be pointless.

also large amounts of articles and videos have covered this and still you parrot Trumps false narrative

anyways - just click on anything here

https://www.google.com/search?q=trum...hrome&ie=UTF-8

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Bladewire

NATO is a good thing.

Common sense.

Strength in numbers.

If the past pro Putin president hadn't put a hold on the Ukraines NATO enrollment they'd be protected by NATO now.

Putin hates NATO

Tasty1

And than Europe would be in war to protect the most corrupt country cause they didn't play their cards well. No Thanks. What is next, protect Taiwan against China? Who will sent the troops and take the costs?

Bladewire

Russia is more corrupt than Ukraine

Tasty1

Yes, and now Ukrain is their problem.

Like you said, first they where friends of Russia. But when they thought they could get more money from Europe, they knocked on that door. And what happens in 10 years, knocking on Russia's doors? Holland signed the Ukrain Agreement, but mentioned that Holland won't be helping when a war starts. Or at least, they need to get a majority first in the government.

Holland was against the Ukrain deal, one of the reason was that Holland was afraid Ukrain would dump all their tortured chickens on the European market while not having the same animal welfare. And gues, while Europe said it won't happen, it happened. Look who is the owner of the biggest chicken farms in the Ukrain.. So first fuck us, and than expect us to protect Ukrain against Russia. Why?

We have our own Crimea (De Krim) in Holland.

VRPdommy

You have made no case against a NATO alliance no matter any tid-bit bitter truths might be there.
It should not bother any nation who has no wishes take advantage of any single nation.
While not being perfect, I see no better alternatives.

Don't tell me the problem, show me a better way.

MaDalton

Ukraine is not a NATO member, Taiwan is not a NATO member - it's awesome how people throw nonsense around they don't even understand

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Bladewire

Who said Ukraine is part of NATO? I don't see

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there are MANY things done individually by country.
germany is financing the most of the refugee camps outside of europe.
financing schools and help industry.
without that help the africans would already run over europe because they don´t even have enough water to survive - we help them find water and building an economy that can feed them in a few decades.

but apart from that there is also a EU project called WOSCAP.

i am sure you do not search for something like that as you are only interested in the fake information that fits into your brain.

you would also never search for innovations of the porn industry as you would not stand it to see that you failed miserably.

you only believe in stuff that make others guilty for your own inabilities.

I am pretty sure that you even lost the sponsoring of your GFY account for this reason as a company that sponsors you will not see any advantage in that.

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Sarn

the majority of these problems were created by NATO

VRPdommy

Actually, Ukraine was never considered for future NATO enrollment, but some had mentioned it as wishful thinking, but putin feared it anyway.
There was some agreement during the break-up of the Soviet Union and NATO expansion in certain areas. Obama was only honoring those. Something we should now reconsider.
For the same reasons, since the US/UN previously recognized the boundary in Crimea, we were limited to the response.

Personally, I think it is very clear the NEW COLD WAR has begun and all the sanctions that applied to the Soviets should now apply to Russia until they change their way or fix their democracy, which is wholely owned by a handful of neo-capitalist.

We can see the neo capitalist work their way worldwide including the US. But in Russia, less than a dozen persons control 99% of the wealth.

It all reminds me of the drug cartels sweep into power with money corruption over the governments for which they worked within. Spreading their power and influence.
It has destroyed most of South and Central America and in the US as well.
Corruption is a silent killer till they actually take power.

Unregulated GREED will destroy anything good that any nation can build and do so with much more ease that it took to build it. You only have to do nothing but look the other way while it happens around you till it's to late.

Bladewire

Yes they were/are

Expansion of NATO

Ukraine's present and future relationship with NATO has been politically divisive, and is part of a larger debate between Ukraine's political and cultural ties to both the European Union and Russia. It established ties to the alliance with a NATO–Ukraine Action Plan on 22 November 2002,[66][98] and joined NATO's Partnership for Peace initiative in February 2005.[99] Then in April 2005, Ukraine entered into the Intensified Dialogue programme with NATO.[50]

Ukrainian NATO relations

Ukraine applied to join the NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) in 2008.[2][3]

Plans for NATO membership were shelved by Ukraine following the 2010 presidential election in which pro Putin Viktor Yanukovych, who preferred to keep the country non-aligned, was elected President.[4][5]

Amid the Euromaidan unrest, Yanukovych fled Ukraine in February 2014.[6]

The interim Yatsenyuk Government which came to power, initially said, with reference to the country's non-aligned status, that it had no plans to join NATO.[7] However, following the Russian military invasion in Ukraine and parliamentary elections in October 2014, the new government made joining NATO a priority.[8]

VRPdommy

Just because you apply for it, does not mean it can be granted.
Gee wiz, after the cold war, there was even talk of possible NATO membership for Russia.
The idea started and was contained in Ukraine. And probably would have been done if putin sat on his thumbs.

Putin knew exactly what he was doing in any case. Stopping at all the right places.
Putin may have had some good reason for fearing this since, as I remember it, there was some other nation that was suppose to be off limits but was granted membership.


Can you see the build in propaganda right now for the break-up of NATO.
Putin figures he has but a short time left to do his damage using Trump.
It will get worse yet before Trump is out on his ass.

2MuchMark

Thats because Trump is bullshitting you. He says that this is the reason. The real reason Trump wants out of Nato is because Pooty is asking him to do it.

MaDalton

one more idiot who doesn't know how NATO works...

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Bladewire

NATO has said specifically that Georgia & Ukraine will become a part of NATO. It's not like it's some kind of useless pipedream lol They're in the accelerated MAPS joining process now.

Expansion of NATO

"After some debate among members at the summit, NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer declared in a press conference that Ukraine, together with Georgia, would someday join NATO."

Regardless, yes, it's going to get much worse before it gets better. Putin wants to get as much as possible out of lame duck Trump before he totally loses what little dwindling power he has left.

thommy

i think he does not even know what NATO is.

but thanks to trump he is not the only one.

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Sarn

As Trump comrade will say - such will be work

VRPdommy

Yes you are correct in the 'present' time frame.
I have been referring to it as it was when Russia was planting it's seeds in Ukraine and later smudged it's way over to Crimea. And don't forget they were considering becoming part of the EU. So, I am understanding of putin's fears. Just not his actions.
There is a history lesson there that is not being told for a better understanding of how we ended up in that mess.

I'm all for NATO but it is true that we seem to use it outside of the boundaries created and often complain about it until it fits our need/wishes. That is something 'we' need to fix, but not change the foundation of purpose.
When you take opioids for a headache, sooner or later something bad is going to happen.... ie Iraq, now Syria, Iran etc / power vacuum and struggle for influence.
When we went into Iraq the first time, that had fit the principles of what NATO stands for defending the nation they invaded.
The second time (our invasion) was dead wrong under any terms. You can't have principles only when you want them if they are to mean anything.
There is a lot of criteria to be met for membership, including spending a certain percentage of GDP on defense, making resources available to the group, etc, and many don't want to pay that price, they just want defended by membership.
Kinda like buying into a McDonalds Franchise.... you can't just do a one time buy-in LOL, there are continuous terms to meet.
The current thinking that is outside of intent is to use NATO to prevent Russian expansion.
That is OK by me as long as you don't change the rules for membership.
Not a lot of progress will likely be made for as long as trump remains.

pimpmaster9000

an alliance is implied weakness...pooty has the off switch to life on earth...does pooty need allies? fuck no...aint nobody going to invade russia EVER...the problem with alliances beyond the above mentioned protection racket is its obvious perpetuation of the problem by means of banning effective defense weapons..."off" is very very good at stopping any sort of invasion...it guarantees you will not be invaded...therefore it is completely detrimental to any plans racketeers have...it is the end of war...

one will naturally argue that if everybody has "off" humanity will wipe itself out, but I argue that if the weak can not persuade the strong to leave them alone even under the threat of mutual destruction, then fuck it there is something wrong with us...invading countries do not have the right to expect safety...

alliances promote further wars by making people go the wrong way...you do not need large armies...you do not need heavy weapons...all you really need is others to consider your tiny country as the sacred land...the ones you dont fuck with...the ones whos name you do not mention in parliament because it is forbidden...is that not beautiful?

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Bladewire

So you are ignorant to Putin's allies Turkey, Syria, Yemen, China, etc. Got it

So you think Putin is weak now according to your own logic "an alliance is implied weakness"

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sorry but you really need to ask your boss for English lessons

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pimpmaster9000

reading problems boy, I asked "does pooty need allies?" he naturally does not...he is however a racket service provider and therefore has bitches...china is different they are just buddies but do not need each other...either of them can make the invader pay DEARLY...

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You said "an alliance is implied weakness"

PooPoo has allies he desperately needs in Turkey, Yemen, Syria, China, etc.

You think PooPoo is weak according to your own words & logic.

thommy

talking about the NATO and trump´s funny idea to leave the NATO we should first look back WHERE it came from and WHY.

NATO was installed at the behest of america to have a defensive wall against the russians in europe.
So actually the west has protected the USA because the bombs would have fallen on us first.

in addition, NATO is not an association or federation. it is a mutual promise of help by nations that have their own military (except island which is a NATO member but has no military and therefore no military expenditure).

Just because the US has a defence budget that reflects almost half of the world's defence spending does not mean that every country has to do throw it´s prosperity into a war that is not present.

russia, for example, spends 66 billion on its military - why 700 billion or even 1 trillion (what is the complete budget of all NATO countries)?

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pimpmaster9000

aidsbrain, you can nitpick the peanuts out of my shit, and there is a difference between need and have...he is a racket provider and has bitches...like the USA does not need allies...it has bitches however...the weak ass euro army means shit...aint nobody gonna invade the USA ever...what a fake ass "alliance"...bitch euro countries need to grow some big hairy balls and acquire "off"...what a bunch of weak ass bitches...they DESERVE to be bitches...I hate to admit it but it is so...

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PooPoo needs Turkey for it's ports. PooPoo needs China for it's imports. The list goes on. Go clean your ass the PooPoo sperm inside you makes you stink.

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Wrong...turkey needs to live and do biz...china needs the trade as well...you are confused...biz interest are not the same as needing protection...

Pooty can ban the west from mentioning russia and the west would oblige...a country with off needs allies like a chicken needs tits!

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You suck at spinning the truth

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e pluribus unum

Not to worry.
He is just practicing a argument before he uses it in other spaces.
As was I for a while to keep the main question 'on point' because his is a unwinnable argument. So he changes the argument.

pimpmaster9000

Union = remain weak...fight with bows and arrows...next time some thug assaults you in the street you attack him with a spork!...then run to your anti bullying group...fuck that...you pull out the mother fucking hand grenade...you explain that you are the grim reaper and that you have an incredibly itchy bomb finger...

Trying to complicate this is futile...it is super simple...do not be weak...

Now come the opinions of people who live in nuked up countries thinking we should remain bent over relying on the kindness of others...yeah fuck that LOL...let me know when you denuke and get rid of your dedicated invasion fleet and start acting like switzerland...dont forget to vote in an ex mercenary for potus!...

Alliance...what a crock of shit extortion racket...

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I aint joining no cripps!...fuck that!...cripps can join the "we want to continiue to exist" club...sacred land...the forbidden land...free to go its own way...like a wild horse...running free on the beach at sunset...with a nuke...

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e pluribus unum = from many, ONE (like from 50 small states comes one nation)

Kinda like the European Union that putin also can not stand.

Kinda goes with 'together we stand, divided we fall'
and 'there is strength in number'

And that is what NATO is all about.

And putin fears power in number in any form that keeps him from his dastardly deeds.

Putin sure is expelling a lot of effort trying to derail and dissolve any union of any kind.

To look at it even for the less educated...
if putin does not want it then it must be good for the rest of us. It is what ails him.

pimpmaster9000

I do not trust an alliance that sits idly by while one member murders 500.000 people over lies and then everybody pretends nothing happened...most of them watched it as entertainment and cheered...like always...

why be a serf when I can be a giant?...e pluribus unum was before nukes or bacteira...if you have the power to end all then there is no reason to rely on anybody...I aint joining no cripps so that bloods leave me alone...Imma wave my nukes all over the place and make everybody run away in panic...when gangsters learn to behave I may or may not chill out...probably not

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I don't trust my government nor anyone else's.
Blind faith will get you killed.

Any unwatched unregulated entity will soon advantage themselves.
That said, it does not mean I need to fight them all out of existence.

The best, lasting change comes from within.
To make change alone is almost impossible. You form alliance with others.

And I really don't know where anyone gets the idea that anything can be perfect or without problems.
A better society requires constant work to thwart those that would do it wrong.
The lazy only complain and deserve to suffer. They place the blame solely on others.

pimpmaster9000

no I do not trust westerners...it goes without saying that I do not trust their governments as well...very few of you have any problems with us 3rd world folks being invaded...I will trust americans when one of your gangster politicians starts talking about invasion and you guys hit the streets and start violent demonstrations against war and burn some government buildings down....I will trust the west when you stop glorifying your paid mercenaries...when being a former paid thug is not a desirable trait for a future president...but war is too deep in your culture...

trust me on this: 100s of countries in the world would jump at the opportunity to be free from your bullshit politics...your own personal safety is as important to us as second hand toilet paper...it is the least valuable thing possible...I can not begin to imagine anything with less value...

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