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Old 12-18-2018, 08:50 AM   #1
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The end of cancer?

Anti-tumor DaRT could point the way to new arsenal in battle against cancer
Tel Aviv-based startup Alpha Tau Medical says its can demolish cancerous masses by injecting them with radioactive material in a simple needle procedure


https://www.timesofisrael.com/anti-t...against-cancer
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That sounds miraculous . . .
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you do not want the USA or israel making any cures...for example the USA made a cure for hapatitis but its costs 1000$/tab and is like 80K total...if china made this same cure it would cost 80$ total...
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you do not want the USA or israel making any cures...for example the USA made a cure for hapatitis but its costs 1000$/tab and is like 80K total...if china made this same cure it would cost 80$ total...
So we should throw the newborn out with the bath water?
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So we should throw the newborn out with the bath water?
Let me know when the hep cure is below 80k for 80 tabs...until then, it is not in homo sapiens best interest that the USA and israel develop cures that are out of the reach of 99% of the population and the riights to produce limited to them...
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Anti-tumor DaRT could point the way to new arsenal in battle against cancer
Tel Aviv-based startup Alpha Tau Medical says its can demolish cancerous masses by injecting them with radioactive material in a simple needle procedure


https://www.timesofisrael.com/anti-t...against-cancer
Sounds like a step up from the existing treatment where they implant tiny radioactive pellets into the cancerous mass ? I wonder if this new treatment dissipates or stays in the body for life ?
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Old 12-18-2018, 01:52 PM   #8
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That's great, but Republicans are trying to take away our healthcare so even if they do come up with a cure no one will be able to use it.
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Interesting approach... Much better than radio therapy...
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Do you get the " Medical Miracle" of the night on TV news?

they certainly have it here and I'm sure cancers been cured 20 times a year.

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you do not want the USA or israel making any cures...for example the USA made a cure for hapatitis but its costs 1000$/tab and is like 80K total...if china made this same cure it would cost 80$ total...
lol but 13% of the people who take the pill made in china also get poisoned, because at night the shift managers were making some pesticide or something else just as fuckin stupid, to make extra money
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lol but 13% of the people who take the pill made in china also get poisoned, because at night the shift managers were making some pesticide or something else just as fuckin stupid, to make extra money
those are some great odds IMO...you see 100% of the people who can not afford the future cancer pill will die...if only 13% of them get poisoned the other 87% will survive...
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Old 12-20-2018, 05:10 AM   #15
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Don't hate on the Russian translation
the startup this is about investment and advertises,
startup about cancer - 99.99999999999999999% variable of fail result and you lose moni.
for getting medical market in countries with moni, required ~ 20 years clinic tests))
most funny it is magic solutions "injecting them with radioactive material"
how others not were so smart and not use syringe with needle and radioactive materials against cancer before.
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those are some great odds IMO...you see 100% of the people who can not afford the future cancer pill will die...if only 13% of them get poisoned the other 87% will survive...
actually you are right...not bad odds..lol
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My mom had a bout of breast cancer in 1980. They removed the lump but she had radium implants. Metal skewers were implanted for a while and she was one of the last patients they used this procedure on. They wouldn’t let me near her because it could make me infertile. I said I didn’t care as this is my mother. They tried to remove me and failed. Doctor okayed it.

Ten years later I was told I was infertile but not due to radiation.

Ten years to the day of her first cancer, they found a lump in the same breast. Radium didn’t eliminate the risk. Radical mastectomy but no treatment done. They removed lymph nodes so she’s susceptible to germs.

In July, 2018 she had emergency surgery for colon removal and a mass removal Stage four cancer and six months of chemotherapy. Halfway through but the cancer didn’t spread. She’s handling the chemotherapy and if she wasn’t in great physical health, at 83 she’d not have made it.

My grandfather’s (her dad) sisters had breast cancer— all seven of them — and mom’s brother had breast cancer. Coincidence? His six brothers never had it.

I have yearly mammograms against my wishes. X-ray radiation.

Radiation may have killed cancer cells but it returned. Forty years later, new cancer. Until they know why cells turn cancerous, they can’t stop it. Treatment, depending on how soon it’s caught.

Miracle cures compete with the mysterious human body.
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In time I'm sure it will be eradicated.
Hope it's out before genetics kick in. Starting to feel a tickle down there.
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Let me know when the hep cure is below 80k for 80 tabs...until then, it is not in homo sapiens best interest that the USA and israel develop cures that are out of the reach of 99% of the population and the riights to produce limited to them...
Since when has a nation cured anything? Scientists don't care about flags as much as you do...
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and like "miracles" it probably wont happen, the Cancer Industry is too big
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Until they know why cells turn cancerous, they can’t stop it. Treatment, depending on how soon it’s caught.
Sorry to hear about your mom, but we know why cells turn cancerous.

Once you have cancer you are at a higher chance to get it again. This is because although the cancer may have been eradicated, the non-cancerous precurser cells that gave rise to it are still dividing. As those cells divide they are subject to the same transcription and translation errors that gave rise to the cancer the first time. Some of their daughter cells may get errors that make cancer less likely, and others more likely. But the more precurser cells that are 'close' to becoming cancerous, then your overall chances increase.
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Incidentally, what makes this approach (somewhat) novel is that they are using alpha (ionizing) radiation. It kills cells, but has a very short distance of effectiveness. Basically it's the same principle as radio-iodine being used for thyroid cancer, but being applied to other forms of cancer. Personally, I think it's just a lot of hype. Unless you can attach those alpha particles to something that will be readily absorbed by the cancer cells (such as iodine in the thyroid), their range of effect is not enough to kill all of a tumor of a significant size. And if the tumors are too small, then detection and delivery by needle just isn't a very feasible solution.
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Sorry to hear about your mom, but we know why cells turn cancerous.

Once you have cancer you are at a higher chance to get it again. This is because although the cancer may have been eradicated, the non-cancerous precurser cells that gave rise to it are still dividing. As those cells divide they are subject to the same transcription and translation errors that gave rise to the cancer the first time. Some of their daughter cells may get errors that make cancer less likely, and others more likely. But the more precurser cells that are 'close' to becoming cancerous, then your overall chances increase.
That’s recurring cancer. What causes a cell to turn cancerous? If radiation, chemotherapy and cell removal doesn’t eradicate it, they need to find out why a cell develops abnormally. Only then can you create a cure.

They have proof carcinogens cause cancer. Not everyone is affected, though, so why some and not all? It isn’t inherited yet runs in families. Why do more women than men get breast cancer? More cells?

Animals get cancer. Dogs don’t eat soy, smoke, eat burned food, sniff carcinogenic materials or eat much sodium, yet get cancer. What’s the common denominator in people and pets?
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Since when has a nation cured anything? Scientists don't care about flags as much as you do...
oh really? please tell me where the $1000/pill hep cure is being sold for cheap?...exactly...

I repeat: you do NOT want certain countries finding cures...unless you are loaded with money...
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That’s recurring cancer. What causes a cell to turn cancerous? If radiation, chemotherapy and cell removal doesn’t eradicate it, they need to find out why a cell develops abnormally. Only then can you create a cure.

They have proof carcinogens cause cancer. Not everyone is affected, though, so why some and not all? It isn’t inherited yet runs in families. Why do more women than men get breast cancer? More cells?

Animals get cancer. Dogs don’t eat soy, smoke, eat burned food, sniff carcinogenic materials or eat much sodium, yet get cancer. What’s the common denominator in people and pets?
OK, the first thing you need to realize is that we all have the genes for cancer. These are called oncogenes. For most of us our oncogenes are missing the required start codons, a specific three base pair upstream of the genes that tells translation proteins where to start reading the code to build the proteins encoded. For eukaryotes - people and animals - the start codon is 'AUG'.

The second important thing to know is that point mutations - single base pair changes in our DNA - happen fairly regularly. Some think it's the accumulation of these small changes over time that we perceive as aging. Also, our DNA is incredibly long and most of it is junk - meaning it doesn't code for anything. For the most part, if these random changes happen in that junk area then there is no effect. If it happens in the gene code, then a single amino acid in the protein being encoded is changed. So if you have blue eyes, a single cell might be changed to now code for brown pigmentation, and the change will largely be masked by the rest. But, if it happens upstream of the oncogenes, it can turn that junk region into a start codon.

Now, when we talk about carcinogens, we are talking about substances that interfere with how our DNA is copied. Basically, carcinogens increase the likelihood that point mutations will occur. Again, most of our DNA is junk, so a single change isn't likely to be a big deal. But, we're talking about this occurring in every cell of your body, over and over again for your entire life. The more frequently a cell divides the more it's genetic code is copied, which means more opportunities for errors to occur.

So, lets say a particular oncogene you got from your dad (you have 2 versions for every gene - one from your mom, and one from your dad) has the start codon at AUC. It is just one base code away from being the AUG required for that oncogene to be expressed. And, it's found in every cell of your body. All it takes is for a random point mutation to happen in just one of the billions of cells making up your body at just the right spot to result in that cancer being turned on. Toss in some smoking or other risk factors, and the odds go up.
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for people that do not know about cancer sure... it can spread...
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