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Poo is also a good indicator of health...

I have bad health...

i like poo. and fiddys...

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thommy

the fall of the stockmarket have another reason oil price actually help the stockmarkt to not crashing harder.

the reason is that many people have loans and secured them with bonds or stocks.
as the banks saw a rise in the past they gave a lot credit.
rising equities and securities thus provided for more loans which are thus secured. borrowers are overindebted if prices fall.

in the last few weeks, the corresponding index fell to the 2008 level. this circumstance and the absence of the year-end rally make a crash very likely in the very near future.

all that have nothing to do with bitcoin as is never was excepted as as security for loan and if that would be the case the crisis would be already here since 11 month.

bitcoin is not at all influencing or influenced from the economy. it is just a private game where people pay for a big nothing more or less money.
the only thing bitcoin really did was to bring black money back into the circle where it will rotate again and be taxed.

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thommy

why should i bet with someone and park 5000 dollars for 5 years on escrow just because
someone is too stupid to see the fact that bitcoin can never be a curreny.

i will give you just ONE little example:

let´s say some company would have last year 1000 bitcoins in their assets the company value at the end of 2017 would be pretty high.
this company would get a lot of credits from banks because of their high assets.

so now lets assume that the company have 1 million in assets plus 1000 bitcoins what have had a "value" of nearly 19 million so the company would be worth 20 million.

this 20 million represents the limit of credits this company can use.
let´s say the bank give 50% of the assets as loan they could take 10 million.

where would they be today ?

there actually assets would have a value of 4.3 million versus a 10 million credit.
with other words they would be broke months ago.

I am not sure if you are aware with how big credits even the biggest players have to deal with. no fucking company like apple or google can operate without lending cash money because their value is in their assets what they can not use to pay bills.

this is why no currency that can not be controlled by the central bank can EVER be called a currency because this is suicide economy.

so tell me one fucking reason why a big company should change their money into something that does not have ANY predictable value ?
this is one of the major reasons why no uncontrolled cyber currency can ever be called "money" or "value".

and I am sure there WILL BE a blockchain currency in a very near future but that will be controlled and far from the speculation market - and its name will not be bitcoin or shitcoin or whatevercoin. it will be THE money all of us are FORCED to use because there is no other anymore. and when this day comes you will wish the good old paper back because your government will even know when you paid for a prostitute last night.

maybe thatfor it will be called 1984-coin

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jscott

Haha .... ^^ thats a prime example of an idiot who cant even back up their claims. Obvious sign of someone who speaks to support ulterior motive.

You blab a bunch of nonsense, but few things you have confirmed are:

1. You lie (about my so called 100k btc prediction)
2. You cant backup your claims (im giving you $5k usd yet you wont take it even tho you're supposedly so certain of your righteousness)
3. Arrogance.. this is soilong your entire entity, period

If you hate bitcoin so much why does it irritate you so much? Stay out of bitcoin threads. Or are you really THAT worried of your fiat/gold investments?

VRPdommy

The theory is...
Wall Street passes judgement on oil prices since they use it as a indicator of economic activity. When demand is up, so are prices and other things in the economy.

Those days passed a long time ago since for the past 17 years, the price of oil has been a point of manipulation in commodity trading mainly from the largest banks. Being since the collapse of Enron and the Bankers hired those manipulation artist of the late Enron.

Morgan Stanley is the largest oil traders in the world. They even own and control a fleet of super tankers and a super tanker manufacture in S.America that they use to buy spot oil and just store it away and take it off the market where the pirate's attempt to hi-jack. This places a shortage in the spot market within 90 days where they sell it in the 30,60 and 90 day futures market when the price spikes.

The Saudi and Russian alliance (OPEC+) was to manipulate the price as the sanctions were imposed on Iran and their oil exports... that fell apart as allies were allowed to purchase Iranian oil (they really could not stop it). So the price recently bottomed out and demand for oil really has been unchanged. So how is that a indicator of economic activity ?

Nothing is as it was when most of these rules in trading indicators where made.
Only from the shale play has kept the ability for it to be manipulated a bit more risky. Otherwise, because of this competition, we probably would have oil prices in the $90bl area where it crimps nearly all economic activity and adds inflation to everything.

All these trend line indicators should never be compared together anymore unless you know more about the underlying markets they represent. Whenever I see them doing it, I know someone is trying to sell something that probably should not be purchased. Almost everything is being manipulated in supply/demand in the commodities markets and thereby pricing.
Why ? Because it can be ! Hardly any rules, and those that remain are being overlooked.
This has been the face reality of de-regulation. How do you like it.

It all started here... But see also "The Smartest Guys In The Room"

thommy

send me the link where i said it was YOU started this thread

I do not need your 5000 but you will need it when this day comes.
and you will be thankful that i did not take it

loool - says WHO ???

i do not hate bitcoin but i can not be quite when obviously uneducated idiots trying to find more idiots to help them out.

and no i am not worried about my investments because they are in land an real estate.
and as long mankind will not live on mars this is REALLY limited.


keep on dreaming!

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klinton

I sadly agree with you....BUT you forgot about one thing: technology can be also pro-privacy . it doesnt have to mean that will be total orwell. i hope so at least

klinton

the bet is not about if someone is tupid or not, if btc will be world's currency in the future or whatever.

the bet is about btc price in the future, thats all.

if you dont take a bet, it means that you kind of suspect that btc may reach suggested price. otherwise u would make a bet and make money.

thommy

the point is that such things that have to do with stupity on one site and high professional intelleigence on the other side are not really predictable.

the bitcoin would never reach the high from the past if some high criminals did not see the chance to make it the best money laundry ever.

I speak about logic and what is predictable generally at the final. I can not say when and how deep it will fall in what timeframe and when the timeframe will exactly be. If I would know that I would be able to make much more money by just betting on the future price.

I also do not want to have a bet in my mind and look every day in something what makes no sense.

I think you do not follow this political discussion that is existing since years.

a few years ago they wanted to get rid of all cash and go to 100% cardpayment to prevent black and secret transactions. now they are talking about blockchain because it can be even better controlled and you do not even need a bank for that.

I europe they will get rid of the 500 euro notes in 2019 - why do you think they do that?
It is all about control and less and less privacy.
blockchain is the perfect solution for it not only because it is existing - it have already many many supporters. these supporters will be the tools they need to make all of us transparent.

and yes - than a few of us can print cashmoney again and accept it from each other. we can also limit it and sell the money to each other.
than this would be the same fucking issue.
money can not be printed by privat persons. and it is bullshit to say it is limited because every private person can do unlimited new currencies.

the value of all existing money, debts and credits MUST represent the value of all goods, services and real estates in the world. as soon as more money or alternative currency comes in it would devide this value with a higher number.
so the NATURAL and LOGIC way would be that this currency and ALL OTHERS would fall and not rise.

this is the basic concept of money what you get teached in your first weeks at university when you study about economy. this rule is incontrovertible because it's based on the laws of mathematics.

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Crypto market cap is about to plunge under 100billion...this means that only around 2 billion actual $ is in the entire crypto game or even less...hodlers should lube up and probably pre stretch their butt holes...

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jscott

Nocoiners be FUD'ing..

These sellouts don't deserve Bitcoin. Keep shaking out the FUDster lowlifes

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This time last year 1 or 2 coins were being pumped and dumped.. Now pretty much the entire market is moving on the same waves.

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klinton

I agree with you, but I wouldnt be so pessimistic. For each action there is always reaction

thommy

well that´s in fact a question if the reaction is legal or not.

as i try to be legal with all i do i can only see what makes my life more complicated and with even more paperwork and questionnaires.

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