notinmybackyard

Absolutely Right

I collect guns and I'm a very old man that's absolutely amazed that I'm still alive when I wake up each morning. So I fucking dare them to try and take my guns.

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J. Falcon

This is how gun laws should work. The real question of this thread shouldn't be why some people want guns banned - this is a strawman argument since nobody is asking for that- it should be why some people are against efficient gun control?

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VRPdommy

Don't even go there with me as I probably am better versed in the history of that 20 years ago than you will ever be.
Your argument does not hold water for this problem in this day and age.

Even if it did, are you willing to loose your friends and family to protect it for some pipe dream explanation ?

I already know you are going to point the finger at someone and or put up a argument for a fix and all I have to say about it is why isn't 'ANYTHING' being done.

In the case you have not noticed it is getting worse not better.
At the current rate, it will be war in the streets with guns in a way that is worse than anything you have described and what is even worse, your nightmare scenario will be born with martial law from it.

You can sell it but I ain't buy'n it.

J. Falcon

Again, nobody wants to take your gund. What the hell is wrong with these people?

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Paul Markham

An armed civilian can be a mass killer.

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How does owning guns helping the IS overthrow governments backed with US, UK, Russia, local military might? And those terrorists are more than willing to die for their cause.

Let me inform you. You already have a corrupt government and didn't do squat.

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Paul Markham

How do you know someone who owns lots of assault will stay a good person?

Why do you need Assault Weapons?

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Why does a very old man need to collect guns?

I collect wall magnets.

His answer will tell us the real problem is the American culture where people need to collect something that is designed to kill.

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notinmybackyard

Then fuck off and stop the bullshit talk.

If you want to keep guns out of the hands of criminals then I'm your #1 ally.


However it takes a good man to stop a bad man. When you're making it difficult for the good guys to fight the bad guys then the bad guys are going to win.

Besides what the fuck do we "control next?" Knives??? Cars??? Fertilizer???


Because I fucking like them!

Do I need another reason?

Shooting guns sure as hell beats knitting and jerking off.

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Bladewire

He's Canadian not American.

He's an idiot. I have him blocked. He's a gross disturbed individual with no taste or talent. He has nothing of value to offer.

pimpmaster9000

Shitlibs are coming for your guns! Raaaaaape!

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just a punk

So Canadians are not Americans anymore? Maybe Mexico, Brazil, Argentina Ecuador, Peru, Panama, Colombia etc are not America too? Where did you learn geography?

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Rochard

It's pretty easy really.

If they are diagnosed as having PTSD. Or they are arrested for assault.

Should I go on?

For protection. You know, in the case the government comes to take away my weapons.

I do not need assault rifles. Or any firearms. No one does. If someone needs something for protection, they can have a shotgun.

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I have honestly never even seen a gun in real life. Thats Scotland though. Murders here mostly happen with knifes

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Paul Markham

Yes. Because with the present US laws that's no protection against future mental illnesses and other people in the family owning guns.



No one needs assault weapons except the military and police. So why do you have them.

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Mr Pheer

So everyone with PTSD is a ticking time bomb?

Are you sure that you even know what PTSD is?

Paul Markham

And there is the problem. People can collect items that are designed to kill as many as possible merely because they like them.

No one can identify every criminal, mentally unstable person or irate citizen until after the event. Yet everyone in the US and it seems Canada is allowed to collect guns. If you're that interested in guns, decommission all the guns above a handgun or if you regularly go out shooting a shotgun.

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Imagine all those murderers having access to guns and given to people who might be future criminals or become mentally unbalanced or want to commit suicide.

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Mr Pheer

So now we should punish people for something they may or may not do in the future?

astronaut x

Old people shouldn't even be allowed to drive let alone own guns.



"hey there sonny boy... wait right there while I put on some reading glasses so I can aim this gun at you"

"when i was your age, we didn't have fancy assault rifles... we had to pour and pack"

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thommy

what a funny argument.

so let the iran and NK get nukes - they may or may not use it in the future.

give drugs free to buy - people may take it or not take it.

let people drive cars drunk - they may or may not kill someone.

freedom ends where other people freedom starts and the USA have proven that
too many people can not respect that.

but as you never know WHO will and WHO NOT you have to stop it for ALL or make it that hard like in other countries who don't feed their funeral industry on murdered people.

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thommy

i don´t have PTSD but IF I would be a gun owner and you would say this after i had 3 beers I would shot you.

but don´t worry - i HAD a gun licence but I gave it back.

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notinmybackyard

Do you have any clue how fucking hard it is to legally get a gun?

IE: Back ground checks, police checks, courses that I was mandated to take, etc.
And that's just to own a hunting rifle!

When it comes to restricted guns it's 10X's worse!

I have to inform federal law enforcement each time I put a gun in the trunk of my car in order to transport it to the shooting range. Furthermore the shooting range keeps a record of every time I show up and reports that to the police too. Lastly if I fail to go to the gun range at least once a year then the gun range reports me to the police and I can both lose my license and be criminally charged.

Add that if any of my guns go missing I'm criminally liable during the period it went missing and that I reported its loss to the police. So if I go to dinner on a Friday night and someone breaks into my home and steals a gun and I don't find out until midnight... If they murder someone at 9pm I'm criminally liable.

Yet with all these procedures and laws people still get murdered with guns in this country. The simple fact of the matter is that criminals will always be able to get their hands on a gun and strict laws only make it difficult for the good guys to own them

And Yes... We've got the same Mother Fucking Communist Bastards here in Canada pushing for stricter gun control laws.

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thommy

yes FUCKING HARD

so maybe you should start to legalize cars first :-)

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dyna mo

I'm for a complete handgun ban. and of course assault rifles.

we could do it like England, enact sweeping legislation, a gun buyback program, and strict enforcement and over time solve our gun crisis like the UK and AUS.

i've been called worse than an idiot around here so no biggie.

thommy

i will not call you an idiot for that.
this is EXACTLY what I would do.

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BaldBastard

Guns aren't banned in Australia, my state with a population of 7 million 800,000 guns are registered, there's a collector in my suburb with over 200 guns.

So you certainly can get a gun here in Aus, that 7 million is everyone, pull up a stat like "men aged 18-95" and all of a sudden its like 1 for every 5.

Just gotta be crime free and mentally sane, and I'd guess for many posting.. that would be the issue. Basically here in Aus anyone who wants a gun can buy one.. except for "them"

dyna mo

that's why i didn't say guns are banned in AUS. I did say AUS successfully dealt with their gun crisis. you had a massive buy back for instance, I mentioned that as part of the US solution.

handguns are fully banned in England.

bronco67

So let me get this straight....


Some militiamen with assault rifles are going to put up a fight against the Army, Navy, Air-Force and Marines with all of their high tech gear and weaponry, communication abilities and thousands of tanks, aircraft and ships? This is isn't colonial times you dumb bitch.

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this is not the only joke in his statement.
he forgot to tell us in WHOs eyes a government have to be tyrannical to use a weapon.

I think that the majority of americans feel that they have already a tyrannical government.
god thanks it is the more peaceful part.

he also forgets that any kind of government can only get in power with millions
of followers. so what he is talking about is a civil war.

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huey

Or not like the citizens in Korea town that protected their stores homes and lives during the LA riots.

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Mr Pheer

I do have PTSD and it's easy to see that I'm more stable than you are.

Like I've said before, the majority of you fucks don't even know what it is. You just hear it on the news and assume everyone associated it is a raving lunatic waiting to be triggered.

thommy

but you have a legal weapon at home or not ?

i don't have to study medical encyclopedia to know that every human being on this planet at some point in his life will find himself in a situation where he is no longer predictable.

look at all these mass killers and count on how many days in their lives they DID NOT kill anyone, because that's exactly what your argument refers to.

maybe not a single one of you has ever shot a human being in his life. and your argument is based on this fact. only this argument is valid for every mass shooter until the day it was ONE time different.

i'm not sure if people like you can't think logically or don't want to think logically. but whatever of it - both circumstances would be reason enough not to put weapons in your hands.

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And people intending to go out and shoot lots of people will adhere to all the regulations!!!!

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I approve this message.

Maybe the people who scream about an infringement on their freedom would like to explain how their freedom is is worth the deaths of the people killed in 307 mass shootings. That's in 2018 alone.

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One incident doesn't counter the cause of 307 mass shootings.

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Mr Pheer

Several. And I'm being modest about it.

The rest of your statement just reinforces how clueless you really are. Please educate yourself at least a little bit so you don't continue posting absolute nonsense on here and making yourself look like an idiot. Thanks.

Mr Pheer

So you compare a constitutional right to a bunch of other bullshit?

Blah blah blah.... shut the fuck up, thommy.

notinmybackyard

Gun control is nothing less than an attempt to pass a law that makes it illegal for criminals to break laws. (Which is just fucking moronic)

There are many reasons that people like me collect assault weapons and handguns. In my case I'm a history aficionado and one of my favorite guns is a Colt Army revolver (aka. The Peacemaker) made in the 1870s. It's just as deadly today as it was back then and it's damn easily concealable. Similar can be said about some of my old machine guns which date back to the 1890s.

The facts are:

• No one commits a mass shooting with old guns.

• ALL gun related crimes have their start with illegal drugs or drug addiction or mental illness.

• In domestic abuse cases the guns involved are almost always hunting rifles and the majority of the time the person using the gun isn't the licensed gun owner.
  

So if you want to make a serious dent in gun violence then

(a) Go after the drug dealers
(b) Make society simpler and more bearable so that we have less crazy people
(c) Invest in apprenticeship programs and skilled labor - bring back good paying jobs

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thommy

you have here to go to the roots and go behind the pharma industry who made most
drug consumers in america addicted to drugs.

all they do is to buy the same stuff they had a prescription for 10 times cheaper
on the street.

that´s a quite good idea - but I think the biggest border for that is the "someone is fist-thinking"

americans unfortunately live in "hollywood reality" - and this hollywood makes them strongest and best always - but THIS is NOT the truth and we all know that.

again you don´t go to the roots.
skilled labor need skilled and educated people.
there is no need for coal workers anymore.

if you want the future jobs you should start to switch budgets from military spendings to education.
actually the opposite is what happens.

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Paul Markham

Decommission all your guns if you only collect them for historical reasons.

Can you ensure everyone here that a gun owner won't become batshit crazy?

How do you suggest they implement your ideas, A, B and C?

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Paul Markham

As someone who is in favour of globalisation. How do you suggest we bring jobs back to the West? There's no point in educating people if jobs are sent to countries with a cheap labour force. The EU's policy of open borders makes it easier for companies to employ people for less without training them or taking on people with no experience.

Are you willing to pay more in taxes and in goods made in the EU and not imported from the 3rd world?

I agree US military spending is way too high. Will you advocate Europe trebles it's military spending to help the US who currently fund the lion's share of NATO?

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thommy

it is funny how people going into insult mode when they do not have arguments anymore.

either you know that you talk BS or you really don´t know how illogical you are.

both of it does not make you to a reliable gun owner.

if i had to decide that, I would not give such a person a weapon.

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thommy

open your eyes paul to reality.

the EU is lack of skilled workers.

germany is already in a crisis because they can´t find enough of them.

nothing like that is done abroad - what we are using from there is the cheap labor to make high tech affordable for EVERYBODY.

let´s not talk about this topic here - I know that it does not lead to anywhere because you your knowledge about economy is not even to find under a microscope.
but at least in regards of gun owning we both can agree.

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thommy

and to this question let´s FINALLY agree that this is what the countries actually spend into NATO.



and if albania is pushing tomorrow 20% of it´s GDP into their own military the rest will do a fuck and do the same. if us is spending more in their OWN military (what is NOT owned by NATO) as in their healthcare and education system it is also THEIR problem and not the problem of other countries.

so if we talk about NATO member fees please refer to this table.

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Rochard

Exactly. Which is why we need common sense laws that says "if you are arrested for a violent crime" or someone who is diagnosed with mental issue or PTSD automatically has their firearms taken away.

This is common sense.

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notinmybackyard

vDumb ass you can't "decommission" a gun. You can only decommission Navy ships, etc.

If you're asking that guns be made "inoperable" then the solution is to collect plastic toys. BUT WAIT... There are also rules preventing toys from looking too much like the real thing

Sorry but I'm not about to start collecting blue plastic water pistols. However I suspect it won't be long before radical Muslims figure out they can be filled with acid.

Can you ensure that the cunt you're putting your dick in won't give you AIDS?

I can't believe you did porn and you actually asked that question. How many broads did you bareback fuck and the only questions that you asked were

Does she have ID?
Will she sign a release?
How much can I get her for?

FYI:
When it comes to guns:

All those background checks, police criminal clearance reports, mandatory gun safety courses and gun owner license requirements are what keep the batshit crazy from getting a gun.


A. Get rid of violent video games and then new assault weapons won't seem cool

B. Triple all prison sentences for recreational drug possession with no possibility of parole. Death penalty for dealers/growers/etc

C. Destroy the socialists and communists that both infest our universities and protect transnational corporations from having to deal with competition from a completely free open market.

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thommy

I can truly understand nearly all your arguments here from YOUR point of view.

also in EVERY country in the world it have gun collectors who owns guns.

but those people are the exemption and not the rule. AND they get a really really hard check.
I hardly can believe that in US have so many collectors.

As a citizen I HAVE TO BELIEVE also that a policemen who legally owns a gun will never use it for anything else than it is thought for.
I have NO GUARANTEE that this will be the case always and as you see it also happens but MUCH less.

the argument of gun owners is always that something CAN happen even when you take guns away or control them harder.
but THIS risk we have in all and everything - we do not even know if the guy who drives a cars is not drunk.

so it will NEVER gives a guarantee in ALL cases but in the MOST.

If there would be 20.000 less deads (what is a bit more than the half) we talk about 20.000 individuals who have the right to live.
20.000 where all their parents, brothers, sisters and friends (what are millions at the end) wo do not have to suffer.

i think it is worth it.

and here is an additional APPROVED thought:

less guns will produce fewer locked-up people. you would not believe how many are in US jails because they did ONE TIME a mistake and did not even kill but injure someone with a gun.

the costs per inmate to the US taxpayer are between 25 and 60 THOUSAND dollars per year.

now calculate that by 2.3 million (us have the highest number of inmates per 100 k citizen in the world) and you will see that there is even a positive economical effect.

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Mr Pheer

So, avoid the question about comparing a constitutional right with your other bullshit.

You and Paul Markham aren't citizens here and your opinions don't matter because you can do nothing about it anyway.

There, argue that. With yourself. You're too stupid for me to talk to.