Rochard

Someone just told me the affilaite model is dead. Someone else told me most of their sales comes from the tube sites.

What do you guys think?

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Cams affiliate is alive and well. Been a while since I have pushed any regular pay sites so don't know about that but you can definitely stay alive and eat well with Cams.

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RyuLion

Nope, not dead, clubdom.com & Subbyhubby.com still gets sales from review sites like thebestporn.com and rabbits, and other smaller ones, also blogs, and of course our official tube channels, etc..

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blackmonsters

Affiliate traffic is what they mean.

TGPs and free sites don't send the kind of traffic as in the old days because of tubes.
And tubes didn't sign up as affiliates because they used to steal all of their content from the paysites.

So promote cams and fuck the dumb shit.

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Look outside of adult.
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Rochard

I used to have blogs and now I can't get traffic to the blogs to save my life....

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cybermike

Feels like it.. and the people making money that are not tubes.. find ways to spam in new ways

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Freedom6995

I used to make a lot more sales before you added the VOD section which is just a theft of affiliate traffic.

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Freedom6995

and the flippant answers that I received from support, that basically said toito suck up just makes me want to vomit every time you mention this program, so from now on I'll be there to point out how you take the traffic and guide the surfer to the VOD section of which the affiliate get SFA of any sale!

Bullshit is what it is...

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Freedom6995

https://www.subbyhubby.com/vod/

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SBJ

it's not dead but you do have to work a lot harder to makes sales other than cams.

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I used to make a beautiful living being an affiliate.

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incredibleworkethic

It's funny, I'm doing well in adult FINALLY. BUT - for the life of me i can't think of a mainstream business to start.

Where's the money at? Volume of sales? Small but lots of them?

It's probably stupid easy and we all over think it here.

PhilippeCD

No, it's not dead.

The way to make money and get trafic change, but it's still alive !
"Adapt or die"

Internet change everyday and we must follow to adapt our business model !

wehateporn

The Bunny Ranch still looks good

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Paul Markham

In porn the decline is steady and continuing. It's been going on for many years now. Unless you write blogs that people come back to day after day because they want the content, Google won't supply enough to make up the difference.

Enter any search term into a SE and you get a ton of free sites giving away videos. We know the conversion rate on tubes sucks but it's where the most traffic is. So open a tube or write something people want to read.

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Promote cam sites and build your own tube sites on sponsored convent. Mix cams and tubes, mix them with image galleries etc. See sig, by the way.

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Phoenix

Diet, muscle, male enhancement, skin, mortgage, insurance, ecom

lest i forget CBD
all these are big money makers right now, for media buyers.

If you wanted to do your own thing, like make and sell something that is doable also. Tons of stuff to do online, not just porn

j3rkules

Just because someone said it, it does not necessarily mean it is the truth. You still find many affiliates making good money.

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Rochard

At this point it's more of a legacy thing just to keep it going.... I plan to cute back on the updates. Not much sense in it any more.

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You get credit for those sales too.
What's your CCBill ID? I'd be happy to look at your account!
I'll also bump your percentage by 5% Revshare if you email me.
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JesseQuinn

hype. we all need a break from nazis and ancient alien theorists.

can one get paid for conversions in itunes cards?

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I'd say it's the agony phase ...

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femdomdestiny

Definitely not dead, it is just harder especially for people not willing to learn and expecting that everything will be like many years ago when there was no so much competition, no technological changes and users were less tech-savvy. On the top of that, add free tube crap that most of the people here on GFY are pushing for years and that is adopted as a regular business model.

Oh yes, and the social networks that became a separate ecosystem.

It takes much more effort today compared to before. Much more knowledge and patience but it is not dead.

On the other hand, that's not so bad if a webmaster is serious and disciplined. Harsh conditions will make most of the people go out of business, just like many already did in previous years. The rise of cams saved many people from leaving the business.

Long term, I don't think it is so bad. Thos new that are trying to get in, don't see the results fast what will eventually leave more space for webmasters that survived.

I think is much harder for content producers these days.

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thommy

affiliate today is something else than it was before.

as a rule, tubes do not advertise any products themselves, but market their advertising spaces via traffic networks.

this traffic in turn is bought by affiliates who do not have their own sites or can invest time in traffic generation. they specialise in sales optimisation and this is the only reason why they are able to buy the traffic.

at the big affiliate fairs you will hardly meet anyone who runs his own website and also only the idea would come to do that, because media buying is a fulltime job and to achieve high commissions it is also important to achieve large masses of sales.

so affiliate is not dead - quite the opposite. today there are far more affiliates than 10 years ago. and many of them are now huge. i know one man shows that buy monthly in the 7-digit traffic area and exactly BECAUSE they have no own pages, they are able to jump on any trend immediately.

there are tens of thousands of affiliate networks that bundle the power of such mediabuyers.

many program operators prefer this because they only have one contact person and don't have to serve thousands of small affiliates.

so here, like everywhere else, everything is concentrated on one point where everyone does what they do best. for some it may look "dead" but since the invention of the unique clickid the affiliate market has increased at least twentyfold. and continues to grow.

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Mr Pheer

I looked at your site and it took less than a second to see why you're not getting traffic.

Google changed, and you didn't keep up.

just a punk

To be honest, your site doesn't look well. So you must have serious problems with user experience (time on site, bounce rate, % of bookmarkers and returned visitors etc). Today it's a main parameter for Google which uses Android OS, Chrome browsers and Google Analytics scripts to spy on your visitors.

Here is how a normal site should look like this: https://bit.ly/2JSsBnn

If you are a Playboy centerfolds fan, I believe you will find the content amusing. That's why this site is so loved by Google.

As you can see it has embedded videos, high-res image galleries and descriptions. The site runs on autopilot by CyberSEO plugin for WordPress. This means that nobody posts there and nobody spends a second of personal time to create all these posts day by day. My plugin does ALL the job even when the site owner is sleeping or drinking beer in the pub

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What what? Some model died?

What's her name? Affi Liate? Never heard of her.

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Paul Markham

In porn how many top tubes have their own or one dedicated agency for selling their space?

In porn how many top sites have their own or dedicated in house buyers of media?

In porn how many affiliates can compete with in house buying of media being they are on % of the revenue and only on traffic via the link and loose type ins?

The business has changed from a time when people working from home, alone, on a limited budget, a multitude of people to work for, etc. Can compete with the big companies who can do it all cheaper, better, more efficiently in house.

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Apparently the model's real name was Tawnee Stone

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thommy

why should they produce costs if they can use a third party for it?
even if they are able to make 100 k per month with a site they would need to pay someone to get this revenue and the adserver technology is also not cheap
when you deal with such small numbers.

so at the end of the day they will possibly have 80 k left and this is what the big networks can pay them also.

I think you do not know how few TOP media buyers are existing.
you also don´t see that it is not ONLY important to be top. the real good ones are also BIG. the make additional money because they get MUCH higher payouts.

what kind of nut would want to be employed for 7 or 8 k per month if he can do 70 or 80 k on its own?

you are right - ONLY the good ones can. this ones that are MUCH better than the own inhouse people.
and those are existing and they become more and more.

I have seen many webmasters trying it on their own and they came back after 6 or 12 month because they saw that they made 50-70% less than the adnetwork paid them.

correct - MOST of them can´t compete because they can not be good in everything.

the things have changed BECAUSE of the 10% smart ones who either are specialized
on generating traffic OR specialized on MONETIZE traffic.

if you would see HOW MUCH technique, know how and skills are between an adimpression and a sale you would possibly understand WHY things are completely different today.

the point is that this is my job to see and know it EVERY DAY and you look at it from a perspective that does not exist any more.

the good news are: even with all this technique and skills, people understand more and more that we have to go back to the essence of advertising.
with other words: performance marketing meets 1000 years old market rules and it still will need some time to bring this both "enemies" together.
but we are on a good way.
the preview for online advertising in the next 10 years see a 300% increase of advertising revenue.

if you see that even the adult advertising industry today is a multi billion dollar industry you should accept that this money is not spend for fun.
THIS money is it what goes in big parts back to those that generate the traffic and in another big parts to those that owns the offers.
unfortunately porn membership sites are getting just 1-2% of that because they really can´t compete with someone who can sell thousands of different products to one and the same customer over his lifetime.

i will give you a simple maths from a guy that I know really good and I know also how he makes biz.

this guy started a few years ago to promote adult dating.
over the user lifetime he made in average 40 dollars from each buying customer.

then he changed the concept and started to work with programms where he can post signups through an API and he kept the email.
through his system he could not only find out at the end of the day how many users bought - he could even find out WICH users that was.

so he was waiting a little time and than started to send emails with ANOTHER dating offer to the ones that never bought and he could bring a part of them to buy on the second product.

from the ones who bought he knew that the average membership time in the program they signed up is around 5 months.

after 5 months he send THEM an email with his second offer and brought a part of them again into a second program.

after a few years he had already a lit of users that bought in multiple dating programs.
to them he send an email and sold them an ebook "how to find successful dating contacts" with some "rules" how to perfectly attract a women in dating sites.

today this guy have an income per user of 190 dollars and still increasing it.

so WHO do you think can pay more for traffic?
the one who makes 40 bucks on a buying user or one who makes 200 on one buying user?

the answer is clear, ist it?

but to get to this result is not an easy doing thing.
you need a TONN of skills and technique and you need to be 100% focused on that.

so now tell me WHO HAVE LOST in this game.

correct: NOBODY !!!
every one in this game just made more because every link in the chain is strong and focused ONLY on the link left and on the link right from it.
If every link in the chain does that, you have an indestructible chain.

and THIS is the reason why you do not see the change from than to now. because many of the people from the good old days have been to weak to be part of this chain or did not want to focus just on left and right.

those links are unuseful in a chain and this is why they are not part of it.

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daviking

I agree with everything you say, but you are describing dating, cam, pill, gambling affiliates, NOT adult affiliates. That model is gone. Today you use porn content to generate traffic, and sell this traffic to NON porn products.

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what are the best non adult affiliate programs?

plsureking

this is what happened to affiliates.

sites had to diversify and add lots of revenue streams, not just a paysite with a single biller.

its very difficult to give credit to an affiliate for every revenue stream related to their referal. its even difficult to give the affiliate credit with every cascading biller.

affiliates got screwed in many ways over the years.

these days you have to optimize every unique and make sure you're getting paid for your work. set it and forget it no longer exists. you have to work full-time to make money as an affiliate.

that's what changed.

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thommy

you are right.

but from WHOM did this adult paysites got their traffic in the good old days ?

exactly from the same people.

if you would take them out in the good old days there would never have been an adult paysite industry - agree ?

in that times we had no other products to promote as this.
porn free sites have never been designed for selling just a product. they have been designed to make as much money as possible. and IF there would have been advertisers
for more profitable products in this time this kind of industry would never have a chance to become big.

now we do have other opportunities and they become more and more every day.
not one webmaster in the world with even a 240 hour day would be able to know or test
even a fraction of what is available.
but this is not important anymore because NOW we do have the mediabuyers who do that job.

so the traffic went only from monetizing within a limited range to monetizing in a broader range. and one unchangeable rule of the market is, that a product is sold to the one who can pay most.

this rule is as old as mankind is and it was really easy to predict already in the 90s.

who thought that things will never change missed to include rule number 1 in his perspective. and who is not able to include that is not able to survive in a market.

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Exactly!

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Agreed. Whether selling traffic at $5 per 1,000, with a crap CTR and lousy conversion rates beats selling the product, now given away for free, for $30 to $50 a pop. Hasn't been proved and only argued that it works by Thommy, who has zero knowledge to back it up. But giving away porn to sell the traffic is the best way of making money left.

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thommy

if you get an answer on this question you can categorize it as "lie".

nobody on this planet can answer you this question because it depends on

1. the traffic you have
2. on testing many many different products (and you will not have the time, the skills and enough traffic to do that)
3. to test ALL THIS products from my point 2 again with different ads and different landingpages

the big error of many webmasters is, that they think that EVERY mediabuyer can do soemthing with their traffic and that means THEY can do it also.

but this is a BIG thinking error.

in a network hundreds or thousands of advertisers are testing things. they are prepared to lose money to find a concept what will work at the end on a few sites.
so every one of them will only find one or 2 little needles in a haystack where millions of needles are stuck.

just the mass of this people makes webmasters able to earn money on the traffic.
MUCH more money as they would be able to make.

if you let ONE person market your traffic, the end result will end at 100% of the performance of that ONE.

you let 1000 people market the traffic and each of them finds only a small part that he can use OPTIMALLY, that the number of value added possibilities has increased a thousand times. and even if 20 of the thousand have found the same thing, it will be at the end the best of those 20 who are able to pay more and buy all.

but since the other 19 don't resign themselves to it, they will find ways to become better than this one and that again increases the value of the traffics.

so it is not a magic or witchcraft is the reason which led to the present situation but very simple and logical economic processes that can´t be stopped.

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thommy

i am quite sure that you do not even know what you are talking about when you speak from
5 $ per thousand.

you do not even know the used measurements for pricing in this industry and you want to tell the world how it works.

but maybe i make millions of revenue every fucking year because of this "zero knowledge".
even that would mean that i know better than you how to make money.

but i know you would be happy if everyone comes down on your level and cry with you
because you feel fucking lonely there.

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