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[Natalie_K]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

He posts industry stuff all the time!

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Lol, no he doesn't, quit lying. He admitted he flunked out of submitting galleries 6 years ago and only comes here to troll Republicans. He's clueless on the industry and has tried his best to turn this into a political forum.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Natalie_K

Lol, no he doesn't, quit lying. He admitted he flunked out of submitting galleries 6 years ago and only comes here to troll Republicans. He's clueless on the industry and has tried his best to turn this into a political forum.

Actually do a search on Google, I stand corrected he has posted industry stuff recently.

But he could stop adding to the political threads, I agree there.

I didn't sign up to GFY to be a part of anti-semitic holocaust denialism which is the new dark place that the forum is heading. If it continues I will be asking AVN to remove all content I have posted and my account from the forum.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by crockett

We will be sitting here waiting for these insightful posts from webmasters..

Simple fact, the hordes of people who used to come to be porn affiliate are now streaming on YouTube, twitch or selling shit on Amazon or sone of the other apps..


Manwin killed the affiliate model by buying up all the programs and traffic sites then using them to circle jerk credit cards in his get rich scheme.. you have a handful of half dead programs still trying to make it through another year before closing one by one.. The girls that uses to model are now selling their shit themselves on Reddit or myfreecams ect..

The ship sailed and the party is over for all but a few and they aren't posting here.. No one needs webmasters anymore hence why none post here.

that sounds a little bit too bitter to me. of course the times have changed, not because they were normal before and not normal now, but rather because they were abnormal before and now everything is approaching reality.

i've been doing marketing for over 40 years and over 30 of them i've dealt with new media. no matter how new a medium was - at the beginning everyone thought it would work according to different rules than the traditional ones. but it's not like that - because sooner or later those who have mastered these old rules will be replaced.

if you take the word webmater apart once, we basically get to the journalist's field of work - only that the webmaster had to partly fill a technical area as well. until wordpress came.
but there are no traditional media like newspapers, radios or TV that would advertise on their own risk and rely - without insight into the foreign accounting - on the fact that the customer pays even if he succeeds.

today journalists are again journalists whose job it is to generate visitors and nothing else. others take over the monetarisation - namely those who are only specialized in it and who think they are good enough to be able to do so at their own risk.

so we are back in the normality that was the only existing condition before the internet.

there is also not less money in the market. it is just in the hands of fewer people because they understood that this world is not a world for a multi-talent. it is simply too much what you have to learn in every little aspect of this industry as one could get that all.
so they where focusing on one thing but do that right.

since these new competitors compete on such a high level they will not reveal their trade secrets in any forum and expose themselves to the danger that not only the direct competitor reads along but also some stupids becomes smart and thus mutate to new competitors.

what's left to debate are a few new offers and only the old SEO theses from 1998 which have been disproved for a long time.
otherwise you can't really learn anything here and elsewhere. at best you can find out what you shouldn't do because this form of publication makes it a mass-produced commodity that you will be one ant among many.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by thommy

since these new competitors compete on such a high level they will not reveal their trade secrets in any forum and expose themselves to the danger that not only the direct competitor reads along but also some stupids becomes smart and thus mutate to new competitors.

This is true, but there is still money to be made if you take a smart approach.

The days of solely relying on affiliate income from Paysites is probably over, but there are innovative networks that people are using to great advantage, CrakRevenue is going from strength to strength and there are other verticals in the market that nobody on GFY seems to be adopting.

The trouble with the forum is that with all the political bullshit people are disinclined to share ideas here.

[Natalie_K]

Originally Posted by thommy

that sounds a little bit too bitter to me. of course the times have changed, not because they were normal before and not normal now, but rather because they were abnormal before and now everything is approaching reality.

i've been doing marketing for over 40 years and over 30 of them i've dealt with new media. no matter how new a medium was - at the beginning everyone thought it would work according to different rules than the traditional ones. but it's not like that - because sooner or later those who have mastered these old rules will be replaced.

if you take the word webmater apart once, we basically get to the journalist's field of work - only that the webmaster had to partly fill a technical area as well. until wordpress came.
but there are no traditional media like newspapers, radios or TV that would advertise on their own risk and rely - without insight into the foreign accounting - on the fact that the customer pays even if he succeeds.

today journalists are again journalists whose job it is to generate visitors and nothing else. others take over the monetarisation - namely those who are only specialized in it and who think they are good enough to be able to do so at their own risk.

so we are back in the normality that was the only existing condition before the internet.

there is also not less money in the market. it is just in the hands of fewer people because they understood that this world is not a world for a multi-talent. it is simply too much what you have to learn in every little aspect of this industry as one could get that all.
so they where focusing on one thing but do that right.

since these new competitors compete on such a high level they will not reveal their trade secrets in any forum and expose themselves to the danger that not only the direct competitor reads along but also some stupids becomes smart and thus mutate to new competitors.

what's left to debate are a few new offers and only the old SEO theses from 1998 which have been disproved for a long time.
otherwise you can't really learn anything here and elsewhere. at best you can find out what you shouldn't do because this form of publication makes it a mass-produced commodity that you will be one ant among many.

Exactly, well put. Last year was one of my best ever. If I listened to all those who said adult was over, killed by tubes and Manwin, I would have packed it in long ago.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

This is true, but there is still money to be made if you take a smart approach.

absolutely and as you can see on nathalie´s post before we are not the only ones that have this experience.

The days of solely relying on affiliate income from Paysites is probably over, but there are innovative networks that people are using to great advantage, CrakRevenue is going from strength to strength and there are other verticals in the market that nobody on GFY seems to be adopting.

actually there is so much to do for people who have deep and specialized skills.

i can´t remember that there have been a lot of people in the good old times just offering server administration (not hosting) today I know so many that have problems to find more employees as they have so much work to do.

designers, text-providers, CSS -specialists, media-buyers, traffic analysts and and and... all new jobs that did not exist in the "good old times".

The trouble with the forum is that with all the political bullshit people are disinclined to share ideas here.

and this is exactly what happens when people are too stupid to admit that they are to blame for their own misfortune. these people simply cannot and do not want to admit that once in their lives the virgin came to the child and talked themselves into believing that it is solely due to their own ability.
it's like a lottery winner claiming he has the talent to know the right numbers.

when happiness leaves such people they are helpless and look for guilty ones. people who look or think differently are then the most popular goals - especially if you don't face them directly and have to tell them in the face.

it hurts so much when i have to listen to these people explain the world economy or the stock market volatility, i wonder how they managed to catch the money when it was raining money.

with this basic knowledge below zero, it can't be possible to exist in a world where there are many clever and educated people. if that were the case, we wouldn't need any education at all and just dream the reality the way we want it.

[AdultKing]

All great insights Thommy.

I hope GFY can be saved though, if it can't I'm out of here and GFY can wipe my existence from the board.

[CaptainHowdy]

[chaze]

Go get em'

[crockett]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

If things continue with this political shit are I'm going to ask AVN (formally through my laywers) to erase me and all the content I have written from GFY. I don't want to be associated with this holocaust denialism or crap like that. That's not what I signed up to GFY to be a part of.

You're a libertarian aren't you..

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by thommy

absolutely and as you can see on nathalie´s post before we are not the only ones that have this experience.



actually there is so much to do for people who have deep and specialized skills.

i can´t remember that there have been a lot of people in the good old times just offering server administration (not hosting) today I know so many that have problems to find more employees as they have so much work to do.

designers, text-providers, CSS -specialists, media-buyers, traffic analysts and and and... all new jobs that did not exist in the "good old times".



and this is exactly what happens when people are too stupid to admit that they are to blame for their own misfortune. these people simply cannot and do not want to admit that once in their lives the virgin came to the child and talked themselves into believing that it is solely due to their own ability.
it's like a lottery winner claiming he has the talent to know the right numbers.

when happiness leaves such people they are helpless and look for guilty ones. people who look or think differently are then the most popular goals - especially if you don't face them directly and have to tell them in the face.

it hurts so much when i have to listen to these people explain the world economy or the stock market volatility, i wonder how they managed to catch the money when it was raining money.

with this basic knowledge below zero, it can't be possible to exist in a world where there are many clever and educated people. if that were the case, we wouldn't need any education at all and just dream the reality the way we want it.

People are not wrong when they note the impact of macro events, but anyone who believes they are an entrepreneur needs to work on pivoting when the times call for it.

When macro events come together in a perfect storm that, like you said, feels kinda like winning the lottery, can you really blame anyone, even people self-aware enough to know it was not just their genius for picking lottery numbers, for being disappointed when it gets harder to make the needle move?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

can you really blame anyone, even people self-aware enough to know it was not just their genius for picking lottery numbers, for being disappointed when it gets harder to make the needle move?

no - i don´t blame this people who know about it.
they are smart enough to know that every kind of biz have a limit on participants,

when internet porn started to be big there was no one with good skills interested in this market. they all have been focused on mainstream
but as soon as they saw that there is money they came in and they did not do it for peanuts.

this money was there before and it is still here and made but it is simply shared through other people with much more moneypower and skills.

It's simple mathematics.

i think these people are also smart enough to understand that ALL our prosperity comes from the fact that every service and product in the world is made on fewest costs.
what could we buy when everybody makes a lot of money with little work?

but that also brought us a lot more options.
I remember that I have paid for my first dedicated server in 1998 more than 1000 dollars month and the bandwidth includes was 50 GB.

a good notebook in that time was 3000-5000 dollars.
imagine if all those guys would not deliver more for less where we would be today.

what we have seen in internet is the fact that ALL of the existing market rules will take place automatically after a while - we just saw it in in a time-lapse version.
so for me it was not a surprise and it was easy to predict in all those years where the wind will blow us.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

This is true, but there is still money to be made if you take a smart approach.

The days of solely relying on affiliate income from Paysites is probably over, but there are innovative networks that people are using to great advantage, CrakRevenue is going from strength to strength and there are other verticals in the market that nobody on GFY seems to be adopting.

The trouble with the forum is that with all the political bullshit people are disinclined to share ideas here.

You are still not catching the point I was making. When this forum was busy with adult business it was because of affiliates. Affiliates made the porn world go round and round because everyone needed them. There were thousands of affiliates looking for programs which meant there were program reps here, there were designers trying to sell designs to p eolle building galleries or tgps or blogs. There was traffic guys selling traffic to guys building these same sites. There were guys selling scripts to manage those sites or their traffic. There were guys selling content as both pictures, vids or even writers ect..ect..

All this revolved around the affiliate model which no longer exists as it did, that all went away and so did the business related posts because there is no need for them anymore as that era is dead..


Those guys who were pushing $50/sales to gain affiliates killed this industry.. They kept pushing higher and higher numbers to attract affiliates to pay out those sales they needed to make more money per join and thus they started banging cards with x sales. Eventually someone figured out his numbers and realized he could buy up traffic sites and content sites programs and bang the fuck out of the cards making a quick money grab while never updating sites and that's what he did..

He single handedly destroyed the affiliate model and half the people on this board were kissing his ass while he did it. How many programs did he buy up and kill on his own? There were also outside pressures at thevsame time that opened up traffic directly to site owners or the models themselves that never existed before..

It became very easy for models to sell direct to buyers through sites like myfreecams or even Reddit or Instagram and so on.. in the end it all killed the role of the affiliate webmaster which was the bulk of the user base here at gfy..

Do you remember why gfy was here in the 1st place? It was the affiliate support board for adult.com

That's why there is no business topics, because there is no business to be had be by the people who used to create them. Many of us saw this happening earky on and tried to push to get the forum to go more mainstream but no involvement from the owners killed that idea.

So now it's mostly dead other than those of us who argue about stupid shit to troll each other.. the people who consolidated this industry into a few hands dont need to post here so all that's left trying to post business stuff are those still trying to hang onto the scraps of what once was.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by crockett

You are still not catching the point I was making. When this forum was busy with adult business it was because of affiliates. Affiliates made the porn world go round and round because everyone needed them. There were thousands of affiliates looking for programs which meant there were program reps here, there were designers trying to sell designs to p eolle building galleries or tgps or blogs. There was traffic guys selling traffic to guys building these same sites. There were guys selling scripts to manage those sites or their traffic. There were guys selling content as both pictures, vids or even writers ect..ect..

All this revolved around the affiliate model which no longer exists as it did, that all went away and so did the business related posts because there is no need for them anymore as that era is dead..


Those guys who were pushing $50/sales to gain affiliates killed this industry.. They kept pushing higher and higher numbers to attract affiliates to pay out those sales they needed to make more money per join and thus they started banging cards with x sales. Eventually someone figured out his numbers and realized he could buy up traffic sites and content sites programs and bang the fuck out of the cards making a quick money grab while never updating sites and that's what he did..

He single handedly destroyed the affiliate model and half the people on this board were kissing his ass while he did it. There were also outside pressures at thevsame time that opened up traffic directly to site owners or the models themselves that never existed before..

It became very easy for models to sell direct to buyers through sites like myfreecams or even Reddit or Instagram and so on.. in the end it all killed the role of the affiliate webmaster which was the bulk of the user base here at gfy..

That's why there is no business topics, because there is no business to be had be by the people who used to create them. Many of us saw this happening earky on and tried to push to get the forum to go more mainstream but no involvement from the owners killed that idea.

So now it's mostly dead other than those of us who argue about stupid shit to troll each other.. the people who consolidated this industry into a few hands dont need to post here so all that's left trying to post business are those still trying to hang onto the scraps of what once was.

Nice theory, but the front page of this forum is mostly business now myself and few other people started contributing business thread, so fuck off with your politics. There are still plenty of us in business even if you're eating baked beans out of the back of your car, by the river.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by crockett

Those guys who were pushing $50/sales to gain affiliates killed this industry.. They kept pushing higher and higher numbers to attract affiliates to pay out those sales they needed to make more money per join and thus they started banging cards with x sales. Eventually someone figured out his numbers and realized he could buy up traffic sites and content sites programs and bang the fuck out of the cards making a quick money grab while never updating sites and that's what he did..

if you talk her from the UNWANTED and UNKNOWN x-sales that a user have never ordered you are right. but if you talk about the biz in general it is exactly what smart marketers are doing.

i give you a small example:

mediabuyer 1 and mediabuyer 2 are promoting a similar product and because they are ONLY focused on the sales part and do not have traffic they both have to buy the traffic.

now let´s say that the customers that both are creating have a lifetimevalue of 100 dollars and they both need ammount X of clicks to get one paying customer.

and here is now the really tricky part that needs a lot of skills.

if one of the 2 is better in analyzing and he find out HOW he can minimize the number of clicks to get a paying customer he is already able to pay more for this clicks as the other. this will:

a bring the smarter one into the position to buy the traffic away from his competitor
b. force the one that is not that successful to optimize his sales also to be able to pay the higher price.

now there are a lot of tools and knowledge one can have but there is also a natural limit where it does not make sense to optimize deeper as ist will not deliver reliable numbers fast.

this is the point where both with same technology and skills will end up again as direct competitors.

the way out of that is to increase the livetime revenue from a customer.

and EVERY smart marketer will KNOW that every consumer have budgets for the different things in his life. so he will not even TRY to get all this budget for one and the same thing (i.e. porn) but he will find out what OTHER budgets this same consumer have and if he is able to find even 1 or 2 of this thousands of possibilities he might be able to get for the same costs a user what brings him 120 dollars live time.

if he is using this 20% increase for his advertisement he will get the traffic again and because he get all the traffic he is dealing with BIG numbers.
so even when he old and first calculation left him with 10 dollars in his hand after buying the traffic and made 500 sales - he will now be able to buy that much traffic that he can make 2000 sales per month. if he is an affiliate he will become an important one and the affiliate program will pay him more then his competitor.

this is called a natural FREE market evolution and it is a BASIC rule that is unchangeable.

because there is a big mass of people in this mediabuying market it is the market itself and the obligation of increasing quality that makes my business.

I am really a very professional marketer and was successful all my life with that. but i know that I can NEVER be that good as all of them together.
millions of minds will try to get more out and make the result better and with each little step the traffic will become more valuable. with this my business is growing and the biz from my publishers too.

so it is all very logic and predictable what will happen because it is market law.

[Paul Markham]

They say that if you drop a frog into boiling water it will jump out, but if you slowly warm it the frog won't notice.

The decline has been slow and all that's left are those making money kidding themselves the water isn't getting too hot. Porn is by no means finished, it's thriving and more people today consume porn than ever before. As Crockett says where are the affiliates, reps, site owners, content producers, designers, script sellers, etc?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

They say that if you drop a frog into boiling water it will jump out, but if you slowly warm it the frog won't notice.

The decline has been slow and all that's left are those making money kidding themselves the water isn't getting too hot. Porn is by no means finished, it's thriving and more people today consume porn than ever before. As Crockett says where are the affiliates, reps, site owners, content producers, designers, script sellers, etc?

why did i expect to hear that from you ?

because you are one of this examples that i mentioned earlier. you can not accept that you made some money because nobody else wanted it. you can not admit that it was not your genius but an accidents that gave you a better life as you would have with your regular skills.

it would mean that you have nothing to be proud of and that you would have to reanalyse your whole life to find anything but coincidence.

you are now also some years out of the biz and with you probably still some hollowheads which strengthen each other in the assumption that others were to blame for it.

so either you are from the biz and don't know what is happening or you tell us fairy tales and secretly quietly do the millions.

but no matter how it is - it gives US absolutely no advantage to listen to you.

i in your place would simply be grateful that you had the pleasure of earning more money than you are worth for a while.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Nice theory, but the front page of this forum is mostly business now myself and few other people started contributing business thread, so fuck off with your politics. There are still plenty of us in business even if you're eating baked beans out of the back of your car, by the river.

That was really rude to ignore basically everything he said. He was spot on about what's happened to the industry , and the board.

Also, GFY will never be the place where we all grow together in the industry again, like it was 15 years ago. We can't share our latest greatest sites because there are vultures here waiting for the newest content to steal and uplaod to their tubes.

We can't show the latest greatest idea because there's vultures here waiting to steal it and duplicate it 10 times within 72 hours. Things are a lot different now.

We still help each other with tech stuff etc.

Also, as you experienced yesterday, the alt-right hate fake nic troll told you directly to fuck off and that he doesn't give a shit what you think. He wants to continue to run this board with alt-right hate threads.

So while you're being rude to Crocket for his liberal political threads, he's never told you to fuck off, while the alt-right hate fake nic troll has, and continued to create multiple hate threads

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

That was really rude to ignore basically everything he said. He was spot on about what's happened to the industry , and the board.

Yeah, I feel bad now. But everyone knows I'm a bit of a cunt.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Yeah, .. But everyone knows I'm a bit of a cunt.

Not at all! Everyone has their moments and you have fewer than most here

[NoWhErE]

Originally Posted by crockett

You are still not catching the point I was making. When this forum was busy with adult business it was because of affiliates. Affiliates made the porn world go round and round because everyone needed them. There were thousands of affiliates looking for programs which meant there were program reps here, there were designers trying to sell designs to p eolle building galleries or tgps or blogs. There was traffic guys selling traffic to guys building these same sites. There were guys selling scripts to manage those sites or their traffic. There were guys selling content as both pictures, vids or even writers ect..ect..

All this revolved around the affiliate model which no longer exists as it did, that all went away and so did the business related posts because there is no need for them anymore as that era is dead..


Those guys who were pushing $50/sales to gain affiliates killed this industry.. They kept pushing higher and higher numbers to attract affiliates to pay out those sales they needed to make more money per join and thus they started banging cards with x sales. Eventually someone figured out his numbers and realized he could buy up traffic sites and content sites programs and bang the fuck out of the cards making a quick money grab while never updating sites and that's what he did..

He single handedly destroyed the affiliate model and half the people on this board were kissing his ass while he did it. How many programs did he buy up and kill on his own? There were also outside pressures at thevsame time that opened up traffic directly to site owners or the models themselves that never existed before..

It became very easy for models to sell direct to buyers through sites like myfreecams or even Reddit or Instagram and so on.. in the end it all killed the role of the affiliate webmaster which was the bulk of the user base here at gfy..

Do you remember why gfy was here in the 1st place? It was the affiliate support board for adult.com

That's why there is no business topics, because there is no business to be had be by the people who used to create them. Many of us saw this happening earky on and tried to push to get the forum to go more mainstream but no involvement from the owners killed that idea.

So now it's mostly dead other than those of us who argue about stupid shit to troll each other.. the people who consolidated this industry into a few hands dont need to post here so all that's left trying to post business stuff are those still trying to hang onto the scraps of what once was.

If you're referring to Dee, I don't think he is solely responsible for killing the industry or this board.

This board is dying because you simply cannot share any data here anymore. Any nugget of information you give will be used against you and hurt your bottom line. This industry has been condensed into a smaller group of highly skilled people working hard to make their money.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

We can't show the latest greatest idea because there's vultures here waiting to steal it and duplicate it 10 times within 72 hours. Things are a lot different now.

We still help each other with tech stuff etc.

The idea of sharing what created my business so others could steal it is so alien to my thinking. I never told anyone what it was. I did show pictures though because they sold my content and people didn't understand the secret behind my success, well not those on the boards other magazine photographers did.

The industries highest earners for content creators is new faces. Girls who haven't been spread far and wide. Be it amateur BBW ebony niche or Playboy new faces sell. Also new faces 18-22 sell bloody fucking great. So Eva, Jana, Katka and I spent two days or more a week looking for new faces. Then three days shooting them. Roughly speaking.

First time I met Stefan and his partner they showed me their work. They were poor shooters, as I was when I came into the business, wrong poses, poor lighting, etc. What I didn't tell them was to stop going to agents to get models, because I was sending girls to agents after I had shot the girls to death.

Magazine photographers here, who knew me well, said when they met me "Did you leave anything on the bone for us?" They even phoned me and asked if I had shot the girl.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

If you're referring to Dee, I don't think he is solely responsible for killing the industry or this board.

This board is dying because you simply cannot share any data here anymore. Any nugget of information you give will be used against you and hurt your bottom line. This industry has been condensed into a smaller group of highly skilled people working hard to make their money.

The board is dying because there are fewer people in the business. Any information you give away would have been stolen on day one or today.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The idea of sharing what created my business so others could steal it is so alien to my thinking. I never told anyone what it was. I did show pictures though because they sold my content and people didn't understand the secret behind my success, .