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[thommy]

Originally Posted by PornMySex

Mindgeek, Livejasmin, chaturbate, streamate, xvideos holding company, etc....

i can add a tonn of dating sites over 100 M revenue but i could add THOASANDS of dating companies with 10-20 million...

on top of that I could add plenty of thousand mediabuying companies that are promoting whatever on pornsites and mainstream that are spending 5 million upwards every month for media buying.

the mindgeek idea was one of the really smart ones because they bought the trafficsites and the product sites.
with trafficjunky they are able to sell the traffic to whoever is able to make more with it on high price and send all unsold traffic to their own products.

the revenue of the whole mindgeek group per years is even higher than the revenue of the complete porn industry that paul remembers.
he is a yesterday moron and you just hurt him when you try to tell him what he have missed. so in pauls world the truth have no place because the truth just would prove
that he is a blind chicken who could survive in a time when even my dog would be able to be successful.

[Konda]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Given that you troll with a fake avatar and no sig these days, I assume you are a sold account and very much doubt you can afford either and I very much doubt you know anything about any industry.

I never had a sig...

You can check my post history and tell me again that I don't know anything about this industry. I probably have more knowledge about this industry than 99% of the people here. I have been in this industry for over 20 years and am close to many of the biggest paysite operators, billing processors, traffic and ad networks, tube network operators, etc. and that's why I know for a fact that the statement is wrong.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

I really don't come to this shithole for racism, political news & debates or the rest of the trash the accumulated in this place lately, why is there no way to filter business threads?

So true

[Konda]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So give us some links to the porn sites with mainstream advertising on. Or is that a secret as well?

Just check ANY of the big tubes...

I guess you don't know this, but these days all the ads shown are GEO and device targeted. So the ads you see in your country are not the same as other people see in their country.
A user in Germany will get ads for a German dating site, while a user in Germany that is on an Android might get ads for a social dating Android app. A user in the UK could get an ad for an Online Casino and a user from the US an ad for Penis Enlargement or Viagra or Porn Game or whatever.

That's how it works these days. Advertisers all over the world are bidding big money to target specific porn users.


Maybe the 'online porn decline' that is being referred to is people spending money on actual porn memberships or buy DVDs online. That might be true. But the money generated through online porn is definitely not declined. The ad networks are making big money, the advertisers are making big money, the media buyers are making big money. they might not run paysites or sell DVDs but all the money that is being generated still comes from online porn. And there are still plenty of huge paysites and networks that produce a lot of content + you now also have the 1000s of amateur couples that produce their own content and make money off that from the content programs on the big tubes and amateur networks. If you include that probably more porn get's produced today than ever before.

Also check the Alexa of the big tubes and big paysites, many of them continued to grow in 2018

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by thommy

means: you are talking about the time before jesus christ was born and we talk about NOW.

that's the problem here. Paul just wants to argue because he's retired and has nothing else to do. meanwhile, the rest of us are checking in on this thread between our daily tasks.

when i was in Thailand, the bars and corner store benches were full of old guys wanting to debate and argue. they were done with life and just waiting for death over an iced beer. they had all the time in the world to fight about the old days versus today.

what people really want and need is actionable info they can use today. some basic pointers on how to get back in the action. that's what gfy needs to start focusing on if we want to revive the webmaster side of the industry. no one here is making money posting about politics.

ignore the dinosaur who hijacked the thread. he's just wasting our time (and money)

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[thommy]

Originally Posted by Konda

Just check ANY of the big tubes...

I guess you don't know this, but these days all the ads shown are GEO and device targeted. So the ads you see in your country are not the same as other people see in their country.
A user in Germany will get ads for a German dating site, while a user in Germany that is on an Android might get ads for a social dating Android app. A user in the UK could get an ad for an Online Casino and a user from the US an ad for Penis Enlargement or Viagra or Porn Game or whatever.

That's how it works these days. Advertisers all over the world are bidding big money to target specific porn users.


Maybe the 'online porn decline' that is being referred to is people spending money on actual porn memberships or buy DVDs online. That might be true. But the money generated through online porn is definitely not declined. The ad networks are making big money, the advertisers are making big money, the media buyers are making big money. they might not run paysites or sell DVDs but all the money that is being generated still comes from online porn. And there are still plenty of huge paysites and networks that produce a lot of content + you now also have the 1000s of amateur couples that produce their own content and make money off that from the content programs on the big tubes and amateur networks. If you include that probably more porn get's produced today than ever before.

Also check the Alexa of the big tubes and big paysites, many of them continued to grow in 2018

THIS is called reality !

five stars from me for this posting

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[thommy]

Originally Posted by plsureking

that's the problem here. Paul just wants to argue because he's retired and has nothing else to do. meanwhile, the rest of us are checking in on this thread between our daily tasks.

when i was in Thailand, the bars and corner store benches were full of old guys wanting to debate and argue. they were done with life and just waiting for death over an iced beer. they had all the time in the world to fight about the old days versus today.

what people really want and need is actionable info they can use today. some basic pointers on how to get back in the action. that's what gfy needs to start focusing on if we want to revive the webmaster side of the industry. no one here is making money posting about politics.

ignore the dinosaur who hijacked the thread. he's just wasting our time (and money)

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that´s exactly it. but to be a dinosaur must not mean that you are an old ignorant fart.

look, i am also over 60 (I really don´t understand that fact) but I am pretty sure that most of the young fuckers don´t beat me.

the difference between paul and me is simply that i never got to the point where i thought i knew everything. i wake up every morning and look forward to learning something new and in the breaks i think about whether what i learned yesterday still applies today.

but I forgive him, because it is part of human nature that we try to learn ONE time so that we can learn MANY times. the more there is to check then the more difficult it becomes in the old one. it is as if you would try to upgrade your 20 year old laptop to 512 Gigabyte Ram. Most people just can't do that.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by thommy

that´s exactly it. but to be a dinosaur must not mean that you are an old ignorant fart.

ya dinosaur only means extinct

most people die shortly after retiring unless they keep themselves busy. Paul has decided to keep himself busy by trolling and talking shit about the industry. i have no doubt he has convinced people to quit or discouraged them from work in the industry. that's the reason he needs to be shut down. the young webmasters should be encouraged and given tools to succeed.

only a nasty ignorant bastard would discourage the next generations..

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[thommy]

Originally Posted by plsureking

ya dinosaur only means extinct

most people die shortly after retiring unless they keep themselves busy. Paul has decided to keep himself busy by trolling and talking shit about the industry. i have no doubt he has convinced people to quit or discouraged them from work in the industry. that's the reason he needs to be shut down. the young webmasters should be encouraged and given tools to succeed.

only a nasty ignorant bastard would discourage the next generations..

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agree

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by Konda

I never had a sig...

You can check my post history and tell me again that I don't know anything about this industry. I probably have more knowledge about this industry than 99% of the people here. I have been in this industry for over 20 years and am close to many of the biggest paysite operators, billing processors, traffic and ad networks, tube network operators, etc. and that's why I know for a fact that the statement is wrong.

Your posts used to sound really super intelligent and knowledgeable. Maybe this is just a thread you find especially irritating. Everyone has bad days sometimes. A reasonable person can debate the methodologies for estimating industry size in a market space where the CALPERS impact on funding means most companies are privately held. But there are pretty standard ways to look up what the types of analysis VC folks use are saying today versus some years back.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Your posts used to sound really super intelligent and knowledgeable. Maybe this is just a thread you find especially irritating. Everyone has bad days sometimes. A reasonable person can debate the methodologies for estimating industry size in a market space where the CALPERS impact on funding means most companies are privately held. But there are pretty standard ways to look up what the types of analysis VC folks use are saying today versus some years back.

I doubt that anybody can analyze the correct market size especially when it comes to overlaps.

example: when a game is sold on a porn site is it mainstream or adult revenue ?
in fact it is both.

if a porn member site owner is also the owner or cooperate with his friends "find the cheapest flight site" and puts a link to it in a member are - when this user what comes from there books a flight nobody would ever count it as "porn revenue" but in fact it is.

if you have ever been on a mainstream exhibition and talked to the people there, you are going to find out that MOST of them are making money directly or indirectly from porn traffic.

if you have been on porn exhibitions in the past 2 years and saw that mass of people that offers "make money with blockchain" it has a reason. but the revenues they are generating with porn traffic would never been counted as porn revenues.

and all that will be carried in the whole periphery like hosting, design, programming, SEO and much much more.
most of them are not in a visible connection with the adult industry but all of them make money from porn traffic.

not even penis enlargement (a multi billion dollar niche) counts even remotely to "porn" even if 90 % of sales are generated on porn sites. it will always count in the category health care products or lifetsyle.

with me alone advertise 7 hooker portals . these 7 sell turn ads to their customers and clubs. is the porn turnover ? no - but it is !

i even have advertising customers who advertise their super clean amazon and ebay shops and offers with us and generate sales (otherwise they wouldn't do it). porn sales ? no ! and still a porn network and a porn master earned money because the sales were made by a user who also consumes porn.

let's move on to 3D role-playing games - I have dozens of advertisers for this stuff. But if I look at the manufacturers of these games I won't read a word about porn.

It is nearly the same as the holiday industry. all you can count there are the prices for flights and booked hotels - you will never know how much money the group was spending in restaurants and sight seeing tours.

Businesses with porn are simply easier to realize if you don't have porn on your business card. In the past, we made the mistake of seeing the bait on the hook as our product. Today we see it more and more as the bait that clears the way to a consumer's entire life budget. And this budget is 1000 times bigger than that for porn.

Of course, we still have to be sensitive about it and not overstrain the closed eyes of huge companies. But that so many such eyes are already closed today simply means that we are sitting on a huge group of people who represent an enormous purchasing power. Against this purchasing power calculated porn is a halved fly shit

But on the other hand I think it's good that the world (including some veterans) thinks we don't deserve anything. Let them keep thinking that. That protects us from envy and uncomfortable competition.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by thommy

I doubt that anybody can analyze the correct market size especially when it comes to overlaps.

example: when a game is sold on a porn site is it mainstream or adult revenue ?
in fact it is both.

if a porn member site owner is also the owner or cooperate with his friends "find the cheapest flight site" and puts a link to it in a member are - when this user what comes from there books a flight nobody would ever count it as "porn revenue" but in fact it is.

if you have ever been on a mainstream exhibition and talked to the people there, you are going to find out that MOST of them are making money directly or indirectly from porn traffic.

if you have been on porn exhibitions in the past 2 years and saw that mass of people that offers "make money with blockchain" it has a reason. but the revenues they are generating with porn traffic would never been counted as porn revenues.

and all that will be carried in the whole periphery like hosting, design, programming, SEO and much much more.
most of them are not in a visible connection with the adult industry but all of them make money from porn traffic.

not even penis enlargement (a multi billion dollar niche) counts even remotely to "porn" even if 90 % of sales are generated on porn sites. it will always count in the category health care products or lifetsyle.

with me alone advertise 7 hooker portals . these 7 sell turn ads to their customers and clubs. is the porn turnover ? no - but it is !

i even have advertising customers who advertise their super clean amazon and ebay shops and offers with us and generate sales (otherwise they wouldn't do it). porn sales ? no ! and still a porn network and a porn master earned money because the sales were made by a user who also consumes porn.

let's move on to 3D role-playing games - I have dozens of advertisers for this stuff. But if I look at the manufacturers of these games I won't read a word about porn.

It is nearly the same as the holiday industry. all you can count there are the prices for flights and booked hotels - you will never know how much money the group was spending in restaurants and sight seeing tours.

Businesses with porn are simply easier to realize if you don't have porn on your business card. In the past, we made the mistake of seeing the bait on the hook as our product. Today we see it more and more as the bait that clears the way to a consumer's entire life budget. And this budget is 1000 times bigger than that for porn.

Of course, we still have to be sensitive about it and not overstrain the closed eyes of huge companies. But that so many such eyes are already closed today simply means that we are sitting on a huge group of people who represent an enormous purchasing power. Against this purchasing power calculated porn is a halved fly shit

But on the other hand I think it's good that the world (including some veterans) thinks we don't deserve anything. Let them keep thinking that. That protects us from envy and uncomfortable competition.

Very astute analysis of how a lot of webmasters coming out of adult make a lot of their dough today. In defining the size of the industry, I wouldn't count flight bookings sold via a pay site link, for example, but, for sure, surviving folks are trying to implement this sort of thing in multiple ways and definitely should do so as much as possible.

Super early, like 1999, I did really well for a while up selling credit cards on join pages. Eventually, they kicked me for adult, but it was nice for a bit.

Unless you are counting penis enlargement as the whole field of male urology, it seems unlikely something which can't get repeat customers could be worth quite that much, but, then again, privately held companies and customers who aren't talking, so super hard to accurately estimate. Any insight as to what that sort of thing converts at?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by thommy

simply because you are a moron and don´t understand that I can not point you to a site where whatever is shown because i do not know WHEN they show WHAT to WHOM.

if you would even know about advertising technology as much as my cleaning women knows you would probably know what thinks like, geo-targeting, scheduling, yield optimization and competition weights are.

but as you are dumb as an old bread I do not even try to explain you why ads on sites are not static since 15 years anymore.

possibly you will never see a bet-ad because it is forbidden in CZ.
possibly you will never see an ad of specific health products because they simply target the countries where it is allowed to promote it. possibly you will not even see a gaming ad
because it does not show up in the next hours for scheduling reasons...etc etc..

the fact is that you claim that porn is no longer a source of money, while tubes generate billions of dollars every year just from advertising alone.
if all this would not work then all advertisers of this world must be giant idiots.

sales made in the advertising industry with traditional products may still account for 20% of their sales when dating is excluded (although there is no reason to do so).
If you include dating in your calculations, it is certainly 60% of your turnover.
the share of paysite sales that work with the old-fashioned pictures and videos does not amount to more than 2 % of the total cake.

and you know what?
this 2% of the human budget for porn wasn't even higher at YOUR time.

so your gold digging times were designed to have a small number of people share around 2% of the budget of RICH users.

today's pornbiz tries to get as many budgets as possible and is based on a business model that will be a mystery to you forever because it is smart.
smart ideas don´t reach your mind.

Don't worry, I can use a VPN to determine what country I appear to be in and my surfing history on my phone would be for mainstream products. I can surf a few dating programs to fool any advertising technology used. Or any subject you suggest.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by PornMySex

Mindgeek, Livejasmin, chaturbate, streamate, xvideos holding company, etc....

Given that the offline companies were on a country by country basis rather than an International coverage now. There were far larger companies and a lot of small ones.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by thommy

I doubt that anybody can analyze the correct market size especially when it comes to overlaps.

So your insistence on porn being larger than ever today is based on nothing. In fact I doubt if you know the size of publicly listed companies that were into porn back in the day.

I repeatedly asked for proof of mainstream advertising on Tubes. You refuse to show it. I can use a VPN, my mobile phone, iPad, daughters computer to surf, my wife's computer, lots of computers that have no history of surfing for porn. People claiming there's more around today could take a screen grab.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by thommy

i can add a tonn of dating sites over 100 M revenue but i could add THOASANDS of dating companies with 10-20 million...

I can add a ton of porn companies over £100m revenue but i could add THOUSANDS of porn companies with $10-20 million...

Can you dispute that with evidence?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Konda

Just check ANY of the big tubes...

I guess you don't know this, but these days all the ads shown are GEO and device targeted. So the ads you see in your country are not the same as other people see in their country.
A user in Germany will get ads for a German dating site, while a user in Germany that is on an Android might get ads for a social dating Android app. A user in the UK could get an ad for an Online Casino and a user from the US an ad for Penis Enlargement or Viagra or Porn Game or whatever.

That's how it works these days. Advertisers all over the world are bidding big money to target specific porn users.


Maybe the 'online porn decline' that is being referred to is people spending money on actual porn memberships or buy DVDs online. That might be true. But the money generated through online porn is definitely not declined. The ad networks are making big money, the advertisers are making big money, the media buyers are making big money. they might not run paysites or sell DVDs but all the money that is being generated still comes from online porn. And there are still plenty of huge paysites and networks that produce a lot of content + you now also have the 1000s of amateur couples that produce their own content and make money off that from the content programs on the big tubes and amateur networks. If you include that probably more porn get's produced today than ever before.

Also check the Alexa of the big tubes and big paysites, many of them continued to grow in 2018

I used a VPN to pretend I came from the UK, US, Germany, etc.

What is being disputed is whether selling porn at $10 to $50 a pop on conversion rates that better than selling traffic at $5 a 1,000.

Are the ad networks, tubes, making big money from ads? Are they buying content? Could they survive a giant leap in B/W costs? If so why didn't they arrive earlier?

[Oracle Porn]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I can add a ton of porn companies over £100m revenue but i could add THOUSANDS of porn companies with $10-20 million...

Can you dispute that with evidence?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by plsureking

ya dinosaur only means extinct

most people die shortly after retiring unless they keep themselves busy. Paul has decided to keep himself busy by trolling and talking shit about the industry. i have no doubt he has convinced people to quit or discouraged them from work in the industry. that's the reason he needs to be shut down. the young webmasters should be encouraged and given tools to succeed.

only a nasty ignorant bastard would discourage the next generations..

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I only asked for proof. If it had been delivered days ago I would accept it.

I doubt if any one here knows for sure and all are guessing based on their own business and talking up their success.

[Paul Markham]

I'm sure people can use this, I can. SimilarWeb | Website Traffic Statistics & Market Intelligence gives an overview of where traffic comes from.

Brazzers runs an advert at the top of loads of Tubes. Yet. Brazzers.com Analytics - Market Share Stats & Traffic Ranking

Oorngames.adult has an advert as well. Porngames.adult Analytics - Market Share Stats & Traffic Ranking

As I said before a lot of what is being posted is based only on what people personally experience and that's a limited view. Except my views are based on seeing the real money in porn. Companies involved in porn that were worth over a $1billion dollars, many people in porn worth over $500 million.

Who today can compare?

Can anyone name the biggest porn retailer or are you all comparing online retail with offline production companies.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I doubt if any one here knows for sure and all are guessing based on their own business and talking up their success.

no one needs to exaggerate when $5k in porn is a good paycheck these days. you just don't believe anyone because its been years since you made $5k in a month.

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[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Don't worry, I can use a VPN to determine what country I appear to be in and my surfing history on my phone would be for mainstream products. I can surf a few dating programs to fool any advertising technology used. Or any subject you suggest.

and i am pretty sure that you always change your browserlanuge too every time you use a new VPN.

do you think this industry is full of honks and we don´t know that VPNs are existing and how to deal with them?

do you know how many lists with IPs of this knowing VPNs are existing?

[Oracle Porn]

Originally Posted by plsureking

no one needs to exaggerate when $5k in porn is a good paycheck these days.

defuq?

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

defuq?

at least half of my cms clients make more than that, but Paul doesn't believe anyone is making that much. i make a lot more than that. thommy likely makes a lot more than me.

no one has to make shit up to impress Paul.

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[Matyko]

What a Thread! :D Congrats Oracle!!!

[thommy]

Originally Posted by plsureking

at least half of my cms clients make more than that, but Paul doesn't believe anyone is making that much. i make a lot more than that. thommy likely makes a lot more than me.

no one has to make shit up to impress Paul.

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well at this point it comes to a split.

your CMS customers are not really webmasters they are product sellers.

if you talk about the "good old times" nearly 100% affiliates have been webmasters what were running websites and tried to promote something on that.

in the start that was ok because everybody started with the same knowledge. it was not a big deal to get search engine traffic and ALL users were rich because poor users didn´t have internet.

if you move now in such a "gold digger time", in which practically every idiot must collect the money only from the street, it comes to the following effect:

1. many come and want that too
2. the cake that can be distributed does not get bigger
3. a cake of the same size that is divided by more eaters results in smaller pieces

during this time the number of internet connections also exploded, but only because of the lower price. that means: poorer target groups were added while the number of "hungry cake lovers" grew at the same pace.

result: even smaller pieces.

In such a situation the competition begins in which one can only stand out by being better than others which is only possible through more work and more knowledge.

Here the chaff will separate from the wheat in which one out of 10 takes 10% of the other 9 away and doubles his result.

If this one out of 10 invests this additional income in even more knowledge and begins to outsource the things he is not so good at, he will take another half of the turnover from the other 9.

Within a short time the distribution will be distributed according to the Pareto principle (80/20).

The same fight now also takes place within the 20% group, so that in this group only 20% swim at the top.

This is not magic it is a natural market rule that this happens. and it happens EVERYWHERE.

In every industry of this world 20% of the market participants make 80% of the turnover and EVERY industry equipped with brains will not try to break this irrefutable rule but will try to enlarge the cake itself.

Airlines have done this by selling not only more tickets, but also hotels, rental cars and travel insurance. And that's not all - they earn gigantic sums with the address material of their customers.

Of course you can't adapt this 100% to the porn business, but if we assume that ALL our users spend a minimal fraction of their monthly budget on porn, you MUST realize that we're dealing with just ordinary consumers whose variety of interests is 10,000 times wider than on the consumption of porn.

Clearly an amateur mountaineer can be seen much more clearly when he visits a page for mountaineers. Also, he will convert there many times better than a user who, for example, on a weather page informs. BUT also the hobby mountaineer will visit the weather page and if necessary also a porno page on the among the mass of visitors the percentage of hobby mountaineers is small but as a number seen possibly even higher than on the mountaineer page. If only 0.1 % of a tube with 5 million visitors are interested in mountaineering on the day, this already results in 5000 interested mountaineers. There are surely not so many specialized side that can show that on the day.

Admittedly, the example with the mountaineer is now a very unrealistic one but it shows what I want to point out. Because there are a lot of mainstream topics which are not so special and already by the knowledge that 80% of our visitors are men they can be narrowed down.

At the moment we are still very far away from what can be done with it. But I have seen over the years that the share of such sales has risen from 0% to over 20% of the total and the growth continues. But that would only be the DIRECT sales - but it will actually only be really exciting in the INDIRECT segment.

I also see a large increase in advertising by the "product owners" in the area of such small amateur sites. Also here some have begun to count and recognized that they must evenly not only calculate with the membership contribution, if they just start to think.

Still 2 or 3 years ago it was unthinkable that such sides can pay at all the prices which result alone from the competition and demand. Someone who has a high margin will always buy the traffic away from the one with the small margin.
However, if these product sites succeed in increasing their margins through cross sales or other actions, then they are back in the race.

Some of my customers have doubled or tripled the expected cost per conversion in the last few years.

I'm happy, my publishers are happy and my customers are happy too. And that proves once again that the one who thinks further than others will always be the winner.

So it's understandable if Paul doesn't understand this, because in many cases he CAN't see it at all and on the other hand he doesn't belong to the human species equipped with the talent of farsightedness.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by plsureking

no one needs to exaggerate when $5k in porn is a good paycheck these days. you just don't believe anyone because its been years since you made $5k in a month.

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If $5k a month is your starting point to making a lot of money then you're in the wrong job.

Let me inform you of why I say the porn industry makes less today than it did.

The best days of the porn industry were when there were porn shops, sex lines, cable TV stations, hotel channels, magazines, mail order, shops selling magazines. Owning porn shops was, as one owner said "A licence to print money." And the beginning of online porn.

Advertising was also a great feature then. Allowing magazines, cable and some videos to make even more money. It was bloody expensive to advertise with sex lines forced to pay a premium or kept out because the magazine owner advertised his own sex lines.

You can't build a $billion company based on million dollar sales, but Flynt, Raymond, Gold, Sullivan, etc did just that.And their sales were largely based in their home countries. Each country had it's own version of them.

Then there was the Internet at the start it run alongside offline sales, then as it progressed offline shrunk. Online created few of it's own customers, that can be seen today on the various high streets and malls where shops are closing as online sales grows.

To argue that giving away free porn has topped the income of the days when people bought in shops is ludicrous unless you can come up with an iron clad case. Don't be fooled by the argument that the Internet is now international against retail which is only national. Unless you can state countries that didn't allow and porn to be sold and now major porn surfers/customers online.

FYI. I have found dating ads on pornhub. I used my daughters machine. Can you prove they make more on selling ads giving porn away than the sales they have destroyed?

Can you prove that $30 for 100 or more video scenes makes more than $50 for 5 scenes?

I was making over $150k per year back in the day. $5k isn't a lot.

[PornMySex]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I was making over $150k per year back in the day. $5k isn't a lot.

And there are people like https://www.madcheddar.com/ still making millions producing porn and you didn't adapt. Good luck.

[Oracle Porn]

Originally Posted by Matyko

What a Thread! :D Congrats Oracle!!!

you can thank Paul Markham

[thommy]

Originally Posted by PornMySex

And there are people like https://www.madcheddar.com/ still making millions producing porn and you didn't adapt. Good luck.

paul does not know what really big numbers are.

just an example is mydirtyhobby - it is just ONE of hundrets of huge amateursites in the market with selfmade amateur content.

in average there are around 400 new videos going online per day.

now lets assume that each of them will be downloaded in the future 1000 times and each download costs in average 9 dollars (I think they charge more).

this is a revenue per video of 9.000 dollars.

9000 x 400 per day x 365 days = 131.400.000 million revenue ONLY on videos ONLY on one page per year.

not mentioned that most of the amateurs there are selling livecams on top.

to make it easy let´s assume the the whole website has a revenue of 250.000.000 per year worldwide.

now let´s assume that this 250.000.000 are made with traffic from 20.000 small webmasters worldwide. the total payout would be 82.500.000 divided by 20.000 webmaster = 4.125 US PER YEAR or 343,75 per month.

THESE are the numbers when paul´s "good old times" had reached the top of the competition hill.

what most of you guys will not know is, that MDH was noch the very first site with this concept. there was another one before where my affiliate id was number 0003.

it was ONLY focused on the german speaking market and when i promoted it I made like 100-150 k each month with revshare.
each one of the aproximately 250 amateurs what have been there in the start made 5-6 digit every month.

after that "I found gold message" was out - the number of amateurs went within 6 month from 250 to 25.000 and the number of affiliate ids to over 50.000.
the result was, that ONLY the programm owner saw a huge increase of revenue and he was able to sell the site after just 3 years for MANY MANY millions.
but not ONE of the amateurs or affiliatess have ever seen numbers again like I have seen them in the start.

so regarding paul´s brilliant economic knowledge skills this business was broke when he sold it for more millions as paul could even imagine in his hottest dreams.

he simply can not understand that a mass industry where money is easy to make will automatically produce more competitors who have to share the cake. and only the best of those will get the biggest parts.
but in paul´s funny world the cake got smaller - and i tell you what: the same view have all of them who have lost in this game.
so the one and only thing paul has proven here again is: he is a loser and will never accept the truth because that would mean to accept that he is a loser.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by thommy

Clearly an amateur mountaineer can be seen much more clearly when he visits a page for mountaineers. Also, he will convert there many times better than a user who, for example, on a weather page informs. BUT also the hobby mountaineer will visit the weather page and if necessary also a porno page on the among the mass of visitors the percentage of hobby mountaineers is small but as a number seen possibly even higher than on the mountaineer page. If only 0.1 % of a tube with 5 million visitors are interested in mountaineering on the day, this already results in 5000 interested mountaineers. There are surely not so many specialized side that can show that on the day.

this is why google, facebook, microsoft are all sharing user data now so they can promote to the person, not the page.

porn is still way behind.

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[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I was making over $150k per year back in the day. $5k isn't a lot.

i made more than 150k my first year in porn after leaving the corporate world, and even more the 2nd year.

my point is making $60k a year now is nothing to be ashamed of or have to lie about. a webmaster working the channels 50-60 hours a week can make that these days - which is better than working for some corporation doing drone work all day.

my passive income is a lot higher than that and i still spend 60-80 hours a week on billable work.

don't talk about what's a lot because we know you don't make any.



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[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by PornMySex

And there are people like https://www.madcheddar.com/ still making millions producing porn and you didn't adapt. Good luck.

There were people making more than me back in the day. There are people making more than I ever did today. The argument is.

Whether more is money made today than was made before.

Not whether I make more money.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by plsureking

i made more than 150k my first year in porn after leaving the corporate world, and even more the 2nd year.

my point is making $60k a year now is nothing to be ashamed of or have to lie about. a webmaster working the channels 50-60 hours a week can make that these days - which is better than working for some corporation doing drone work all day.

my passive income is a lot higher than that and i still spend 60-80 hours a week on billable work.

don't talk about what's a lot because we know you don't make any.



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So you're actually agreeing with me and against Thommy.

These days the options to get porn for free has hit the income of the porn industry bad. Today $5k is a good income. `10, 15, 20 years ago it was a poor income.

I thank you for agreeing with me.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by thommy

paul does not know what really big numbers are.

just an example is mydirtyhobby - it is just ONE of hundrets of huge amateursites in the market with selfmade amateur content.

in average there are around 400 new videos going online per day.

now lets assume that each of them will be downloaded in the future 1000 times and each download costs in average 9 dollars (I think they charge more).

this is a revenue per video of 9.000 dollars.

9000 x 400 per day x 365 days = 131.400.000 million revenue ONLY on videos ONLY on one page per year.

not mentioned that most of the amateurs there are selling livecams on top.

to make it easy let´s assume the the whole website has a revenue of 250.000.000 per year worldwide.

now let´s assume that this 250.000.000 are made with traffic from 20.000 small webmasters worldwide. the total payout would be 82.500.000 divided by 20.000 webmaster = 4.125 US PER YEAR or 343,75 per month.

THESE are the numbers when paul´s "good old times" had reached the top of the competition hill.

what most of you guys will not know is, that MDH was noch the very first site with this concept. there was another one before where my affiliate id was number 0003.

it was ONLY focused on the german speaking market and when i promoted it I made like 100-150 k each month with revshare.
each one of the aproximately 250 amateurs what have been there in the start made 5-6 digit every month.

after that "I found gold message" was out - the number of amateurs went within 6 month from 250 to 25.000 and the number of affiliate ids to over 50.000.
the result was, that ONLY the programm owner saw a huge increase of revenue and he was able to sell the site after just 3 years for MANY MANY millions.
but not ONE of the amateurs or affiliatess have ever seen numbers again like I have seen them in the start.

so regarding paul´s brilliant economic knowledge skills this business was broke when he sold it for more millions as paul could even imagine in his hottest dreams.

he simply can not understand that a mass industry where money is easy to make will automatically produce more competitors who have to share the cake. and only the best of those will get the biggest parts.
but in paul´s funny world the cake got smaller - and i tell you what: the same view have all of them who have lost in this game.
so the one and only thing paul has proven here again is: he is a loser and will never accept the truth because that would mean to accept that he is a loser.

Let's assume your numbers are pulled out of your ass.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Let's assume your numbers are pulled out of your ass.

this is your argument against simple maths?

ok - no other prove need that you are simply dumb.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So you're actually agreeing with me and against Thommy.

These days the options to get porn for free has hit the income of the porn industry bad. Today $5k is a good income. `10, 15, 20 years ago it was a poor income.

I thank you for agreeing with me.

only an idiot would read my post as agreeing with you..

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[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Whether more is money made today than was made before.

you need to define the industry, as Thommy keeps saying, but yes, every market on the web is bigger than "before".

the web grows daily. online revenue grows daily. if business plans evolve and adapt, business makes more every day.



whether you or anyone else is raking in any of that money wouldn't change the fact that its growing every year.

you're just trolling us now (or you don't understand the web)..

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[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by plsureking

you need to define the industry, as Thommy keeps saying, but yes, every market on the web is bigger than "before".

the web grows daily. online revenue grows daily. if business plans evolve and adapt, business makes more every day.



whether you or anyone else is raking in any of that money wouldn't change the fact that its growing every year.

you're just trolling us now (or you don't understand the web)..

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Agreed other sectors are booming. But if you're using that as proof the porn industry is booming. You are wrong. Selling traffic buy giving away the product, will never make as much as selling the product. Otherwise everyone would all be doing it. Cams would be selling traffic by giving away live shows, Tubes would be paying top dollar for content, etc. They would have arrived a lot earlier and not needed to wait until the costs of hosting and B/W dropped to the levels today.

The industry I define as Porn movies/pictures, escorts, cams, chat, some dating sites, advertising on porn sites, etc.

As for trolling, I'm replying to your posts. So what are you doing?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Agreed other sectors are booming. But if you're using that as proof the porn industry is booming. You are wrong. Selling traffic buy giving away the product, will never make as much as selling the product.

i will ask the TV stations if they are living from selling TVs :-)

Otherwise everyone would all be doing it. Cams would be selling traffic by giving away live shows, Tubes would be paying top dollar for content, etc. They would have arrived a lot earlier and not needed to wait until the costs of hosting and B/W dropped to the levels today.

did you understand the concept of chaturbate, bongacams, cams4 and all the others ?
by the way - some of them are selling ads and other buy traffic.
very wired, is it ?

The industry I define as Porn movies/pictures, escorts, cams, chat, some dating sites, advertising on porn sites, etc.

well all that is here and doing great - maybe not the old fashioned membership sites (even when they are the ones who are still buying expensive content).
but as you see it is not really nessecary. there is so much free content for the tubes. even those paysites load it up FOR FREE or even PAY for it.

you will never understand how this buisness works today and you will never understand that 50 x 50 dollar is less than 50.000 x 1 dollar.

you should rethink your definition of the porn industry - today 90% of all webmasters will possibly do a fraction of your "good old days" but 10% doing 1000% more than than.
the porn industry are this guys who get users with porn content and sell them whatever it is. this fraction you are talking about own maybe 5% share in this market. those are the s yesterday people, like you are.
they are still waiting and crying while the smart ones are making the money.

but no matter how often and how many people tell that to you - you will not believe it.
but: nobody cares what you believe or not. nobody is here to explain you the world.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

As for trolling, I'm replying to your posts. So what are you doing?

repeating myself at the point lol

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[AdultKing]

Time for webmasters and those in the adult industry to take back GFY from the political trolls.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Time for webmasters and those in the adult industry to take back GFY from the political trolls.

We will be sitting here waiting for these insightful posts from webmasters..

Simple fact, the hordes of people who used to come to be porn affiliate are now streaming on YouTube, twitch or selling shit on Amazon or sone of the other apps..


Manwin killed the affiliate model by buying up all the programs and traffic sites then using them to circle jerk credit cards in his get rich scheme.. you have a handful of half dead programs still trying to make it through another year before closing one by one.. The girls that uses to model are now selling their shit themselves on Reddit or myfreecams ect..

The ship sailed and the party is over for all but a few and they aren't posting here.. No one needs webmasters anymore hence why none post here.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by crockett

We will be sitting here waiting for these insightful posts from webmasters..

Go away, you've posted nothing industry related in over two years. Go over to Gab or 4Chan. Fuckwit.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Go away, you've posted nothing industry related in over two years. Go over to Gab or 4Chan. Fuckwit.

He posts industry stuff all the time!

He's also not an alt-right hate troll so he wouldn't be posting on 4chan or Gab, you stating that he should shows how little you know about who you're talking to

You're about 2 years too late in fighting for the hate trolls to stop. Members can block their posts but non members who don't know they are fake nucs have been seeing GFY flooded with hate posts for 2-3 years now. Mist serious webmasters post serious industry stuff on one of the 2 other boards now.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

He posts industry stuff all the time!

He's also not an alt-right hate troll so he wouldn't be posting on 4chan or Gab, you stating that he should shows how little you know about who you're talking to

All his posts recently seem to be political, if I am wrong I apologise.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

All his posts recently seem to be political, if I am wrong I apologise.

I admire what you're trying to do.

I did the same thing you're trying now a couple years ago.

What will happen is the other adult industry boards will copy your adult industry threads and post them to their boards, and very few people will respond in your adult threads here on GFY, if any.

The hate troll will give you a couple days of thinking you're making a difference then he'll usecall his nics to bump the hate stuff hour after hour.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

I admire what you're trying to do.

I did the same thing you're trying now a couple years ago.

What will happen is the other adult industry boards will copy your adult industry threads and post them to their boards, and very few people will respond in your adult threads here on GFY, if any.

One last gasp

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

One last gasp

I'm with you! I'll help too

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

I'm with you! I'll help too

If things continue with this political shit are I'm going to ask AVN (formally through my laywers) to erase me and all the content I have written from GFY. I don't want to be associated with this holocaust denialism or crap like that. That's not what I signed up to GFY to be a part of.