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Old 09-16-2018, 09:46 AM   #101
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3 deep state entities and 1 man who upset them.. Perhaps your order will be rearranged for you.
we know for a fact that trump surrounded himself with felonious thugs.
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we know for a fact that trump surrounded himself with felonious thugs.
I thought he always picked "the best people".
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Even Michael Moore agrees that Trump will be a two term President.

"Too many people in the summer of 2016 were so sure Hillary [Clinton] was going to win, saying no one is going to vote for this idiot," Moore said. "He could win again. I operate as if he is a two-term Trump. I have to. If you think any other way you are guaranteeing that whoever is going to run against him will lose."
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why do you deflect from my point that they are all convicted felons?
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we know for a fact that trump surrounded himself with felonious thugs.
Carter Page was working for the FBI & was planted in the campaign.

Manafort, worked for Podestas, planted in the campaign.

Popadopolous, set up to take a fall.

Gen Flynn- the FBI said they didn't think he lied about anything.

Who else, DynaMo? None of the "convictions" have anything to do with Trump's campaign or Trump-Russia collusion.

OMG Impeach!
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ahahahahaha.

as i stated, I don't expect you to realize the gravity of the situation.
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ahahahahaha.

as i stated, I don't expect you to realize the gravity of the situation.
Seems someone was given the green light to start talking....


George Papadopoulos
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An Israeli diplomat named Christian cantor, who hated Trump, introduced me to his 'girlfriend' who just happened to be an Australian intel officer and assistant to Downer. Named Erika Thompson. After I humiliate David Cameron in the British press, Downer wants to meet.

https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/sta...00107071012865

I don't think YOU understand the gravity of the situation.
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yes, so trump hires that nitwit papadopalous, and that means I don't understand the gravity of the legal jeopardy trump has put himself in.

I'm sure you think that makes sense.
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Old 09-16-2018, 04:37 PM   #108
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Seems someone was given the green light to start talking....


George Papadopoulos
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An Israeli diplomat named Christian cantor, who hated Trump, introduced me to his 'girlfriend' who just happened to be an Australian intel officer and assistant to Downer. Named Erika Thompson. After I humiliate David Cameron in the British press, Downer wants to meet.

https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/sta...00107071012865

I don't think YOU understand the gravity of the situation.
he also tweeted.." While I have never met a Russian official in my life knowingly, the British government liked to meet me quite often throughout the campaign. Including Tobias Ellwood, who was right under Boris Johnson, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs."

So do you think the whole Bretix thing was a scam as well?, Boris being mentioned and all and Farge was first into Trump tower after the election, while the dots between Russian influence and bretix increase daily, and here we go with Papadopoulos meeting with these exact same people.

lets not forget, In 2013, Johnson called for the end of providing police resources to guard WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.

Useful idiots everywhere it seems.

I'm waiting for the breaking news of the link between Hillary and Russia, I'm certain Putty would of arranged that by now as a deflect.
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Carter Page was working for the FBI & was planted in the campaign.

Manafort, worked for Podestas, planted in the campaign.

Popadopolous, set up to take a fall.

Gen Flynn- the FBI said they didn't think he lied about anything.

Who else, DynaMo? None of the "convictions" have anything to do with Trump's campaign or Trump-Russia collusion.

OMG Impeach!
Well, we will only have "CONVICTIONS" if the investigation continues.

Why fear a witch hunt if there are no witches ?

I don't care if campaign folks are completely clean. But for someone who touted 'drain the swamp', why would you want to hide dirty folks from being discovered and 'convicted'.

And trump has seemed to go out of his way in wanting to stop this.
If nothing else, it just 'looks really bad' but I want to know what foreign influence are there, don't you ?
It's a national security issue isn't it ? You can't have it if there is no investigation.

Should be no fear with nothing to hide. Of course I know the story will be it was all fabricated.
And if anyone believes that could be remotely true, they should find a safer place to live. There would be no hope for us all.
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Well, we will only have "CONVICTIONS" if the investigation continues.

Why fear a witch hunt if there are no witches ?

I don't care if campaign folks are completely clean. But for someone who touted 'drain the swamp', why would you want to hide dirty folks from being discovered and 'convicted'.

And trump has seemed to go out of his way in wanting to stop this.
If nothing else, it just 'looks really bad' but I want to know what foreign influence are there, don't you ?
It's a national security issue isn't it ? You can't have it if there is no investigation.

Should be no fear with nothing to hide. Of course I know the story will be it was all fabricated.
And if anyone believes that could be remotely true, they should find a safer place to live. There would be no hope for us all.
The only foreign influence was the Democrats hiring a FOREIGN SPY (Chris Steele) to collude with the Russians to create a FAKE DOSSIER of bogus info, which the Democrats then used to obtain a FRAUDULENT FISA warrant to spy on Trump and his people.

Lying to the Fisa court is a crime. Absolutely shameful

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yes, so trump hires that nitwit papadopalous, and that means I don't understand the gravity of the legal jeopardy trump has put himself in.

I'm sure you think that makes sense.
Neither Papadopolous, Carter Page or Manafort were "hired" they were ALL volunteers via the RNC..

Manafort was borrowing money and running his schemes to get through the year.. Carter Page was on FBI payroll and Papadopolous was getting cash infusions via foreign intelligence for "side jobs" it appears.
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manafort volunteered for the gig via a mutual friend of his and trump, thom barrack, directly to the trump campaign.
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he also tweeted.." While I have never met a Russian official in my life knowingly, the British government liked to meet me quite often throughout the campaign. Including Tobias Ellwood, who was right under Boris Johnson, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs."

So do you think the whole Bretix thing was a scam as well?, Boris being mentioned and all and Farge was first into Trump tower after the election, while the dots between Russian influence and bretix increase daily, and here we go with Papadopoulos meeting with these exact same people.

lets not forget, In 2013, Johnson called for the end of providing police resources to guard WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.

Useful idiots everywhere it seems.

I'm waiting for the breaking news of the link between Hillary and Russia, I'm certain Putty would of arranged that by now as a deflect.
Brexit was the people rebelling against the unelected EU bureaucracy..
Papadopolous is US intel..
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manafort volunteered for the gig via a mutual friend of his and trump, thom barrack, directly to the trump campaign.
Manafort was inserted into the campaign.. And performed a hostile takeover. He undermined Corey Lewandowski, caused his firing and took over as chairman..

Corey Lewandowski: Donald Trump Campaign Manager Fired | Time

Again, Trump wasn't a politician.. And as far as everyone (non swamp folk) knew Manafort was on the up an up.. He spent many years doing what he did for politicians around the World.. Including several ex Presidents.. As well as John McCain... Hell he was even in cahoots with the Obama Admin.. Had you been in Trump's shoes you would have done the same... There was no reason to question him... Until he got blackballed by Hillary and crew..

Hillary was going to win no matter who's life she had destroy to do it.. Because that's who she is and has always been.
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Even Michael Moore agrees that Trump will be a two term President.

"Too many people in the summer of 2016 were so sure Hillary [Clinton] was going to win, saying no one is going to vote for this idiot," Moore said. "He could win again. I operate as if he is a two-term Trump. I have to. If you think any other way you are guaranteeing that whoever is going to run against him will lose."
Thats right, thats what he said. Scary freaking thought isn't it?
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Manafort was inserted into the campaign.. And performed a hostile takeover. He undermined Corey Lewandowski, caused his firing and took over as chairman..

Corey Lewandowski: Donald Trump Campaign Manager Fired | Time

Again, Trump wasn't a politician.. And as far as everyone (non swamp folk) knew Manafort was on the up an up.. He spent many years doing what he did for politicians around the World.. Including several ex Presidents.. As well as John McCain... Hell he was even in cahoots with the Obama Admin.. Had you been in Trump's shoes you would have done the same... There was no reason to question him... Until he got blackballed by Hillary and crew..

Hillary was going to win no matter who's life she had destroy to do it.. Because that's who she is and has always been.
And trump was going win even if he destroyed America, broke every trade agreement you had and totally fucked off allies and then aligned the USA with dictators of the world.

Biggest useful idiot Russia ever had, cheered on by Murdoch and his own political agenda.
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The only foreign influence was the Democrats hiring a FOREIGN SPY (Chris Steele) to collude with the Russians to create a FAKE DOSSIER of bogus info, which the Democrats then used to obtain a FRAUDULENT FISA warrant to spy on Trump and his people.

Lying to the Fisa court is a crime. Absolutely shameful

I find that funny. And Not. Since the dossier was well documented well before the election that trump was expected to loose. Paid for originally by members of the republican party, and not used but continued to be available opposition research that the Clinton folks paid to see and did nothing with and later discovered after the author was in fear of his life.

how hard is it to make up your defense ?

The spying/surveillance was in line not for trump but that is where it led them.
Should they have stopped because it led them to his office ?
The criteria is pretty steep in obtaining these and even worse to follow in a new step or direction.

Who are you taking your directions from ? A st petersburg Address ?

If you had good reason to fabricate such a thing, why wait till after the election ?
What good does it do by that time ?

But as a personal note, since I had followed trump back in the 90's, I find the whole dossier thing completely plausible because trump really hates obama and everything he stands for.
The symbolic pissing all over a bed after f'n whores he slept in is just what he has tried to do in real life with anything he has touched. After all, according to trump, obama is not a American citizen.



Can't wait for the FAKE MADE UP JAIL SENTENCES !
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^^ Still believes the fake Russia hoax

Lisa Page Testimony: Trump-Russia Collusion Still Unproven by Time of Rosenstein’s Appointment of Robert Mueller as Special Counsel

Woodward: No Evidence Of Trump-Russia Collusion, I Searched For Two Years



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Manafort was inserted into the campaign.. And performed a hostile takeover. He undermined Corey Lewandowski, caused his firing and took over as chairman..

Corey Lewandowski: Donald Trump Campaign Manager Fired | Time

Again, Trump wasn't a politician.. And as far as everyone (non swamp folk) knew Manafort was on the up an up.. He spent many years doing what he did for politicians around the World.. Including several ex Presidents.. As well as John McCain... Hell he was even in cahoots with the Obama Admin.. Had you been in Trump's shoes you would have done the same... There was no reason to question him... Until he got blackballed by Hillary and crew..

Hillary was going to win no matter who's life she had destroy to do it.. Because that's who she is and has always been.
You and I both know that's the environment trump wants and creates. He even has said so. You really should prepare yourself. Trumps in serious trouble.

And according to Michael Moore, Trump is an adroit politician.
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Well, I can only say that the only reason the dossier was not used for political purposes is that it sounds to outrageous to be true.
And the only folks that have really promoted it's existence are those denying any truth to it. That is what gave it any fame in the first place.

It won't matter, after trump makes it nearly impossible for us to have trade in the world, I'd like to see the republicans have to fix what they broke.... only thing is, I think it is possible for them to make it even worse...

I owe my soul to the company store....
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I find that funny. And Not. Since the dossier was well documented well before the election that trump was expected to loose. Paid for originally by members of the republican party, and not used but continued to be available opposition research that the Clinton folks paid to see and did nothing with and later discovered after the author was in fear of his life.

how hard is it to make up your defense ?

The spying/surveillance was in line not for trump but that is where it led them.
Should they have stopped because it led them to his office ?
The criteria is pretty steep in obtaining these and even worse to follow in a new step or direction.

Who are you taking your directions from ? A st petersburg Address ?

If you had good reason to fabricate such a thing, why wait till after the election ?
What good does it do by that time ?

But as a personal note, since I had followed trump back in the 90's, I find the whole dossier thing completely plausible because trump really hates obama and everything he stands for.
The symbolic pissing all over a bed after f'n whores he slept in is just what he has tried to do in real life with anything he has touched. After all, according to trump, obama is not a American citizen.



Can't wait for the FAKE MADE UP JAIL SENTENCES !
Dude everything you wrote there is completely debunked.. For starters the dossier wasn't and STILL hasn't been documented ANY.. (outside of what was already publicly available online.) Buzzfeed has had investigators trying to corroborate it for over a year trying to defend their cases..


Steele TESTIFIED himself in one of those cases that he didn't begin the actual dossier until he was hired by the DNC... He worked on other projects for RNC peeps.... He was hired by DNC and then Nellie Ohr began feeding him info via her husband #3 man at DOJ as well as his "sources" > Oleg Deripaska who is in fact an FBI informant.... This is actual (documented) testimony by her husband Bruce Ohr....... It's undeniable admitted FACT
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dude everything you wrote there is completely debunked.. For starters the dossier wasn't and still hasn't been documented any.. (outside of what was already publicly available online.) buzzfeed has had investigators trying to corroborate it for over a year trying to defend their cases..


Steele testified himself in one of those cases that he didn't begin the actual dossier until he was hired by the dnc... He worked on other projects for rnc peeps.... He was hired by dnc and then nellie ohr began feeding him info via her husband #3 man at doj as well as his "sources" > oleg deripaska who is in fact an fbi informant.... This is actual (documented) testimony by her husband bruce ohr....... It's undeniable admitted fact
debunk it here and now for all to see !

Don't mind me if I don't take YOUR word for it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/u...-expained.html
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debunk it here and now for all to see !

Don't mind me if I don't take YOUR word for it.
I'll let the unclassified documents do the debunking
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Why are Democrat leaders so concerned about him declassifying these documents if they supposedly prove he is guilty? They should be celebrating it.. It gets the ball rolling on his impeachment right? You're getting all of the evidence laid before you..
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Why are Democrat leaders so concerned about him declassifying these documents if they supposedly prove he is guilty? They should be celebrating it.. It gets the ball rolling on his impeachment right? You're getting all of the evidence laid before you..
The same problems as any other De-classification while a ongoing investigation is occurring.
You endanger sources and methods.
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The same problems as any other De-classification while a ongoing investigation is occurring.
You endanger sources and methods.
Ah yes, sources and methods.. Sure don't want anyone to know how to do a coup.

Joking, not joking.. Like old Ben here



I wonder where Ben is running off to so quickly and why?
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Ah yes, sources and methods.. Sure don't want anyone to know how to do a coup.

Joking, not joking.. Like old Ben here



I wonder where Ben is running off to so quickly and why?
Not to worry, the cherry picked documents that do not tell the whole story will be out but the whole of the investigation will be out there in the end.
Why try stop this when he denies all / any involvement ?
You will not find any witches in this which hunt, why worry ?

The problem gets to be, when/if they find the right witch, it will be totally compounded with obstruction of Justus now ! how do you spell it
... P R I S O N T I M E
Insuring a very ugly chapter in American history that everyone was hoping to avoid.

But why is trump 'reading and executing' from the book of 'what not to do' ?

I have been laughing all the way. There is absolutely no way to stop this. The only thing you can change is some public opinion in a temporary fashion.

Even if trump is mr clean, nearly everyone around him is going down. And he is implicating himself in obstruction charges.

If you believe in the American way and the rule of law, you should want a clean government. Not ignore it/change it to suit your political purpose.

It is about the Constitution and the rule of law.
Drain that swamp starting with the administration !
Then we can expand from that and hit the house and senate and everyone should be happy !

This country needs a enema !
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Not to worry, the cherry picked documents that do not tell the whole story will be out but the whole of the investigation will be out there in the end.
Why try stop this when he denies all / any involvement ?
You will not find any witches in this which hunt, why worry ?

The problem gets to be, when/if they find the right witch, it will be totally compounded with obstruction of Justus now ! how do you spell it
... P R I S O N T I M E
Insuring a very ugly chapter in American history that everyone was hoping to avoid.

But why is trump 'reading and executing' from the book of 'what not to do' ?

I have been laughing all the way. There is absolutely no way to stop this. The only thing you can change is some public opinion in a temporary fashion.

Even if trump is mr clean, nearly everyone around him is going down. And he is implicating himself in obstruction charges.

If you believe in the American way and the rule of law, you should want a clean government. Not ignore it/change it to suit your political purpose.

It is about the Constitution and the rule of law.
Drain that swamp starting with the administration !
Then we can expand from that and hit the house and senate and everyone should be happy !

This country needs a enema !
Cherry picked? He's dumping the entire lot of "evidence against him" in your lap... The FISA warrant which is the beginning or so it's said) and everyone's communications that were involved.. There is no "cherry picking" in fact he stated quite clearly NO REDACTIONS
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Your photoshop skills are just as ridiculous as your conspiracy theories!
He's not even capable of using photoshop to that level... he just copy and pastes shit Russian bots post on Twitter and FB..
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I hope Mueller asks him, "hey Mr Manafort...how did you end up working on the Trump campaign for no salary while being millions in debt to Russian gangsters? Just curious".
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He's not even capable of using photoshop to that level... he just copy and pastes shit Russian bots post on Twitter and FB..
The graphic I posted is confirmed FACT, you uninformed clown

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Cherry picked? He's dumping the entire lot of "evidence against him" in your lap... The FISA warrant which is the beginning or so it's said) and everyone's communications that were involved.. There is no "cherry picking" in fact he stated quite clearly NO REDACTIONS
I have not herd much from him that he has not reversed on.
Except, building that wall.
Besides
Wait till it happens ! Then tell me !

It's obvious you have not learned anything about how the government works and how trump plays. Even after witnessing the exact same just months ago.

His method has always been go after the accuser with everything you got (all his life)
but nobody is accusing him of anything..... YET !

He is simply grabbing at straws to have a seemingly legit reason to end the investigation that should not bother him if he has done no wrong. He isn't up for election this year so there is plenty of time for the truth to come out beforehand.

Why worry ?

It looks like guilt and smells like guilt and it's going to be obstruction of Justus even if innocent.
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I have not herd much from him that he has not reversed on.
Except, building that wall.
Besides
Wait till it happens ! Then tell me !

It's obvious you have not learned anything about how the government works and how trump plays. Even after witnessing the exact same just months ago.

His method has always been go after the accuser with everything you got (all his life)
but nobody is accusing him of anything..... YET !

He is simply grabbing at straws to have a seemingly legit reason to end the investigation that should not bother him if he has done no wrong. He isn't up for election this year so there is plenty of time for the truth to come out beforehand.

Why worry ?

It looks like guilt and smells like guilt and it's going to be obstruction of Justus even if innocent.
Yes, I'm sure he will backtrack on that EO fucking democrats in the ass with no lube
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I hope Mueller asks him, "hey Mr Manafort...how did you end up working on the Trump campaign for no salary while being millions in debt to Russian gangsters? Just curious".
You must of missed the last ENTIRE trial that dealt with financials.. For fucks sake do something with that brain besides STUPID
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You must of missed the last ENTIRE trial that dealt with financials..
where it was revealed that he was worse than broke, he was indebted to ruski mobsters for millions and the jury found him guilty of multiple felonies, that ENTIRE trial?
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where it was revealed that he was worse than broke, he was indebted to ruski mobsters for millions and the jury found him guilty of multiple felonies, that ENTIRE trial?

No where it was revealed he had bank loans on rental properties at 60% LTV.. The big gotcha was the rental property was Owner Occupied loan.. So the "fraud" was he wasn't living in the home... Millions of people could get fucked on this stupid fucking law because they took out a mortgage, lived in the home, bought another and rented out that home.. It was also revealed that that matter was rectified to the banks satisfaction.. So now that they busted him with this big crime that Federally insured loan that was being paid on on time now goes into default because he's in jail.

Let's not forget how Imran Awan was snagged on the same charge and walks free today.. Free man after dowloading Congressional data for YEARS
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Cherry picked? He's dumping the entire lot of "evidence against him" in your lap... The FISA warrant which is the beginning or so it's said) and everyone's communications that were involved.. There is no "cherry picking" in fact he stated quite clearly NO REDACTIONS
no he is not ... just some pages that he wants '' leaked ''...

You guys were all up in arms about un-redacting no so long ago ... what changed ...

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By the way, when is Spanky declassifying his tax returns ????

You know... for transparency ....
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no he is not ... just some pages that he wants '' leaked ''...

You guys were all up in arms about un-redacting no so long ago ... what changed ...

Please explain why Adam Schiff, Pelosi, and Schumer are trying to block the release of the info. They are against transparency because it will exposes their lies. Get a clue man
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Steele TESTIFIED himself in one of those cases that he didn't begin the actual dossier until he was hired by the DNC...
You are leaving out something really important, don't you think? Come on man this is easy to research.


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Manafort will sing and the Podesta brothers will dance. This is just getting started. We are going to have a hell of a party.
People are saying they want this over. They don't seem to understand how this works. An investigation at this level isn't done in months, it's done in years. Watergate, Whitewater.... These investigations took six years each.

But whatever, it's a nothing burger.
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People are saying they want this over. They don't seem to understand how this works. An investigation at this level isn't done in months, it's done in years. Watergate, Whitewater.... These investigations took six years each.

But whatever, it's a nothing burger.
...LOL...
I want this over also.
And I want it to end in 'DRAINING THE SWAMP' as promised. No matter how long that takes. I'm sorry that POTUS feels implicated but perhaps he is. He acts like it.

Always wanted to see capital hill to receive her enema.
I hope this investigation in some way spreads to congress. But I doubt anyone there is smart enough to do anything but run for office and raise money by selling out our constitution. Do what they are told to do by their party.

Funny, the guy who promised us that has reversed his position on it. Think how much different this would be if POTUS encouraged the investigation to drain that swamp and protect our elections. It at least sells better.

But I have had a serious wake-up call on who America really is. But I guess it's easy to sell the idea you are better then them and they are responsible for your meager plight. So, I'm not sure I should blame them.
I just thought we were smarter and better than that. Shame on me.
No compassion for anything but MONEY. And using HATE to get it.

I wonder if anything has changed in the party primary rules. One would think that the republicans at least would not like to see this repeated.

Only the voters can say 'there are consequences for your actions'
People vote from a self generated road map of argument instead of what they aspire to be.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/21/p...ies/index.html

Mmm it would seem other counties were involved, be a cunt if it was Australia given our laws here and our ability to tap into basically any satellite to monitor "communications", wonder what they do with two football fields of computer banks in the middle of the desert, super chess games maybe?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap

take good note of where it says "transmissions intended for communications satellites" microwave emissions, such as long-distance telephone calls.".. then google , project echelon

"In 1988, Margaret Newsham, a Lockheed employee under NSA contract, disclosed the ECHELON surveillance system to members of congress. Newsham told a member of the U.S. Congress that the telephone calls of Strom Thurmond, a Republican U.S. senator, were being collected by the NSA. Congressional investigators determined that "targeting of U.S. political figures would not occur by accident, but was designed into the system from the start."
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Mmm it would seem other counties were involved, be a cunt if it was Australia given our laws here and our ability to tap into basically any satellite to monitor "communications", wonder what they do with two football fields of computer banks in the middle of the desert, super chess games maybe?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap

take good note of where it says "transmissions intended for communications satellites" microwave emissions, such as long-distance telephone calls.".. then google , project echelon

"In 1988, Margaret Newsham, a Lockheed employee under NSA contract, disclosed the ECHELON surveillance system to members of congress. Newsham told a member of the U.S. Congress that the telephone calls of Strom Thurmond, a Republican U.S. senator, were being collected by the NSA. Congressional investigators determined that "targeting of U.S. political figures would not occur by accident, but was designed into the system from the start."
All the old thinking and reference from things 20 or more years ago are all out the window after 911 and the patriot act and a mighty upgrade to capability.

The problem with the rules that are there and seem to add a good intent image to the services is that they can be easily by-passed on minor details.

Now go look-up the sting-ray 2's that were purchased for the major metro's for cellular ease dropping.
A program with seemingly good intent but without accountability for where the equipment is and who is using it for what purpose.
When New York got theirs, most of them were used to ease-drop on wall-street for self enrichment and later used for political purposes.
And there are 100's of metro's with them now.

They are all on touchy ground using them because they are a 'man-in-the-middle' attack system. Which means they have a transmitter not licensed by the FCC and have been given permission to use in 'life-or-death situations' as is always been the case with any transmitter.
You will not find a court case where they can show that they used it in gathering evidence because it is not legal. but use them they do.
But in a un-tracked device with this capability, this is not something that should be taken lightly by the public.
But they do not know it has been going on. There needs to be a strict reviewable log as to their where-abouts and usage.

This is why the big push-back on Apple's encryption. They could not break it with a sting-ray 2 or later revisions to it. They could not be man in the middle on a 4g apple encrypted network stream.
They were getting the encryption keys by forcing the phones down to 2g and back-up to 3g. I think apple was aware of it as I have been for 8 years.
The system is so simple that anyone with the knowledge can build them for under $1k at present. How safe do you feel now ?

Anything bad that can happen with good tech will happen because it can.
Pandora's box equated. Can you stop it or just somewhat protect yourself from it.
Nothing if you don't know about it in the first place.
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