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Rochard · 07-22-2018, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

No it wasn't.. Steele testified in the lawsuit against him that he did not begin the "dossier" until after he was hired by the DNC.. His own words... Which makes since considering they fed him the information within it...

Clinton campaign, DNC paid for research that led to Russia dossier
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.b773f9dd4577

In fact, you are partially correct. The so called "Steele Dossier" was done by Fusion GPS. Steele was not part of the original research.

However, the original FISA warrant was started in 2014. This was two years before Fusion GPS was hired.

Saying that the Carter Page investigation was stared because of the Steel Dossier is completely incorrect. The investigation was stared two years prior to the Steele Dossier.

onwebcam · 07-22-2018, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

So he leaked to the media and was fired.

What's your point?

He's untrustworthy as a source because of a leak. False.

You really try hard to invalidate the truth. This is part of your biased psychological defect.

If your "logic" was true jailhouse informants would be invalid, which is not reality.

He was fired for breaking the "cardinal rule" and you think that's "nothing?"

He was THE source for the warrant.. His "evidence" was corroborated by HIS OWN leaks.. What part of that do you not get?

onwebcam · 07-22-2018, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

In fact, you are partially correct. The so called "Steele Dossier" was done by Fusion GPS. Steele was not part of the original research.

However, the original FISA warrant was started in 2014. This was two years before Fusion GPS was hired.

Saying that the Carter Page investigation was stared because of the Steel Dossier is completely incorrect. The investigation was stared two years prior to the Steele Dossier.

You are totally lost.. Carter Page wasn't under investigation 2 years earlier.. He was WORKING for the FBI up until months before for several years prior testifying against other Russians...

Bladewire · 07-22-2018, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

He was fired for breaking the "cardinal rule" and you think that's "nothing?"

He was THE source for the warrant.. His "evidence" was corroborated by HIS OWN leaks.. What part of that do you not get?

You're lying again.

Stop it!

The irony that you support russian espionage on American citizens to attack Hillary Clinton and the DNC via WikiLeaks while you reject info provided by a British MI6 spy to survail a Russian agent is not beyond us you slimy Russian stooge!

onwebcam · 07-22-2018, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

You're lying again.

Stop it!

The irony that you support russian espionage on American citizens to attack Hillary Clinton and the DNC via WikiLeaks while you reject info provided by a British MI6 spy to survail a Russian agent is not beyond us you slimy Russian stooge!

YOU have been supporting the BIG LIE all along

Bladewire · 07-22-2018, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

YOU have been supporting the BIG LIE all along

Again, you love WikiLeaks and Russian espionage on Americans to attack Americans, you HATE a British MI6 agent legally getting data to survail a Russian spy.

You're a Russian stooge the gig is up you fake cunt!

Rochard · 07-22-2018, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

You are totally lost.. Carter Page wasn't under investigation 2 years earlier.. He was WORKING for the FBI up until months before for several years prior testifying against other Russians...

Not true at all.

"Because of these ties to Russia, Page had been the subject of a warrant pursuant to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) in 2014."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Page

onwebcam · 07-22-2018, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Not true at all.

"Because of these ties to Russia, Page had been the subject of a warrant pursuant to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) in 2014."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Page

They are trying to keep it quiet that he was in fact working for the FBI as informant for years prior... I'm on my phone so can't post other links right now
https://www.newsweek.com/was-carter-page-spy-russians-or-us-802770

They were running counterintelligence on him.. he was working for counterintelligence.. the person he was testifying against was sentenced in June 2016 which relieved him if that particular duty and FBI pay check

Bladewire · 07-22-2018, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

They are trying to keep it quiet that he was in fact working for the FBI as informant for years prior... I'm on my phone so can't post other links right now
https://www.newsweek.com/was-carter-page-spy-russians-or-us-802770

Oh now "it's a conspiracy"

When you can't prove anything with facts you fall on the old "it's a conspiracy" line. Sad

You are mentally ill princsess change your tampon & take your meds

onwebcam · 07-22-2018, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Oh now "it's a conspiracy"

When you can't prove anything with facts you fall on the old "it's a conspiracy" line. Sad

You are mentally ill princsess change your tampon & take your meds

It's publicly admitted now. Just not talked about a lot... For the obvious reason that it kills the narratjve

Rochard · 07-22-2018, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

They are trying to keep it quiet that he was in fact working for the FBI as informant for years prior... I'm on my phone so can't post other links right now
https://www.newsweek.com/was-carter-...s-or-us-802770

They were running counterintelligence on him.. he was working for counterintelligence.. the person he was testifying against was sentenced in June 2016 which relieved him if that particular duty and FBI pay check

That article doesn't say Page worked for the FBI. Instead it said Page was interviewed by FBI counterintelligence agents after he met with Russian agents. The Russian agent called Page "an idiot, but somebody who the Russians could work with because of his enthusiasm and desire to earn lots of money."

Good try though.

onwebcam · 07-22-2018, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

That article doesn't say Page worked for the FBI. Instead it said Page was interviewed by FBI counterintelligence agents after he met with Russian agents. The Russian agent called Page "an idiot, but somebody who the Russians could work with because of his enthusiasm and desire to earn lots of money."

Good try though.

As I said I'm on my phone. Can't post the links now.. I posted it all when he was first revealed..

sarettah · 07-22-2018, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

As I said I'm on my phone. Can't post the links now.. I posted it all when he was first revealed..

I have found several links where Carter Page stated he was giving info to the FBI (and CIA).

I do not find anything confirming that and since Page is known to embellish his importance, I would like to see something verifying what you are saying.

.

Rochard · 07-22-2018, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sarettah

I have found several links where Carter Page stated he was giving info to the FBI (and CIA).

I do not find anything confirming that and since Page is known to embellish his importance, I would like to see something verifying what you are saying.

.

Well... If he was an FBI agent, why would the FBI be investing him?

onwebcam · 07-22-2018, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Well... If he was an FBI agent, why would the FBI be investing him?

He wasn't an FBI "agent" he was an FBI "informant"

DOJ Documents Show Carter Page Helped FBI Catch Russian Spies
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/chrisr...spies-n2444651

He set them up and testified against them.. The case ended around June '16 with the sentencing.. That's when Page was relieved of his duty there..

There's lots more.. Page even admits it himself.. Again they are trying to keep this buried... Both sides.. I assume because they don't want him killed over it..

bronco67 · 07-22-2018, 04:32 PM

What anyone will find when looking at those docs is that the FBI was doing their job. If the FBI suspects you're an agent for Russia, then you most likely are.

The FBI doesn't think I'm an agent of Russia. Guess why.

bronco67 · 07-22-2018, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

He wasn't an FBI "agent" he was an FBI "informant" (but I actually think he is/was CIA)

DOJ Documents Show Carter Page Helped FBI Catch Russian Spies
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/chrisr...spies-n2444651

He set them up and testified against them.. The case ended around June '16 with the sentencing.. That's when Page was relieved of his duty there..

There's lots more.. Page even admits it himself.. Again they are trying to keep this buried... Both sides.. I assume because they don't want him killed over it..

What cunt rag conservative conspiracy hack website told you that, you fucking stupid sheep?

onwebcam · 07-22-2018, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

What cunt rag conservative conspiracy hack website told you that, you fucking stupid sheep?

Safe to assume you didn't read the link which explains it and links to the court case?

Just another piece the FBI neglected to inform the court about.... because they wouldn't have gotten their warrant if they did...

Rochard · 07-22-2018, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

He wasn't an FBI "agent" he was an FBI "informant"

DOJ Documents Show Carter Page Helped FBI Catch Russian Spies
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/chrisr...spies-n2444651

He set them up and testified against them.. The case ended around June '16 with the sentencing.. That's when Page was relieved of his duty there..

There's lots more.. Page even admits it himself.. Again they are trying to keep this buried... Both sides.. I assume because they don't want him killed over it..

This is sad already.

Did you read your own article?

"In the complaint, Monaghan attested to how Page was the target of efforts by Russian Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) agents Igor Sporyshev and Victor Podobnyy to recruit sources in New York City."

Page didn't help the FBI. Page got caught by the FBI.

Which is yet further proof that the investigation started long before the Steele Dossier existed.

onwebcam · 07-22-2018, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

This is sad already.

Did you read your own article?

"In the complaint, Monaghan attested to how Page was the target of efforts by Russian Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) agents Igor Sporyshev and Victor Podobnyy to recruit sources in New York City."

Page didn't help the FBI. Page got caught by the FBI.

Which is yet further proof that the investigation started long before the Steele Dossier existed.

Yes I did.. And I read the court documents.. As usual you "don't understand" Page was approached by the FBI because he was propositioned by the Russian agents.. As in the FBI were watching the Russian agents and knew they had approached Page.. Page offered to help, he set them up and got them convicted.. Page was still on that case until June or July 2016. Meaning he was still being paid as a CI by the FBI while he was volunteering on Trump's campaign..

Rochard · 07-22-2018, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Yes I did.. And I read the court documents.. As usual you "don't understand" Page was approached by the FBI because he was propositioned by the Russian agents.. As in the FBI were watching the Russian agents and knew they had approached Page.. Page offered to help, he set them up and got them convicted.. Page was still on that case until June or July 2016. Meaning he was still being paid as a CI by the FBI while he was volunteering on Trump's campaign..

It doesn't say that at all. Page got caught in a FBI investigation. He didn't help.

onwebcam · 07-22-2018, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

It doesn't say that at all. Page got caught in a FBI investigation. He didn't help.

He did.... Read the court documents.... Granted that's just the initial charging docs.. He setup a sting on them... That's why they are in jail now.... His involvement comes in starting on page 12, he is Male-1.. I'll dig up the details of how the sting played out later.. Basically Page setup a fictitious energy company to do business with them..

Rochard · 07-23-2018, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

He did.... Read the court documents.... Granted that's just the initial charging docs.. He setup a sting on them... That's why they are in jail now.... His involvement comes in starting on page 12, he is Male-1.. I'll dig up the details of how the sting played out later.. Basically Page setup a fictitious energy company to do business with them..

He did not work for the FBI. He got investigated by the FBI because they investigating someone else, and Page was caught up in it. They questioned him as a suspect.

onwebcam · 07-23-2018, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

He did not work for the FBI. He got investigated by the FBI because they investigating someone else, and Page was caught up in it. They questioned him as a suspect.

He did.. He was a witness in the case.. That's why he is identified as male-1.. Much like the FISA warrant identifying those "sources" against him.. I've posted all of the details in the case long ago.. At some point I'll find the time to dig it up.. No doubt you were arguing with me in that thread as well..

Bladewire · 07-23-2018, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

He did.. He was a witness in the case.. That's why he is identified as male-1.. Much like the FISA warrant identifying those "sources" against him.. I've posted all of the details in the case long ago.. At some point I'll find the time to dig it up.. No doubt you were arguing with me in that thread as well..

You weave this lie out of 412 pages of truth but the truth prevails especially when MAGA! Mueller Ain't Going Anywhere!

onwebcam · 07-23-2018, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

You weave this lie out of 412 pages of truth but the truth prevails especially when MAGA! Mueller Ain't Going Anywhere!

412 pages 90+% based on "unverified and salacious" "evidence" according to the very person who signed it..

We will be seeing the unredacted version, 100% guaranteed now.. You may want to start reversing course as others are..

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

Andrew McCarthy - “I said this could never happen. This is so bad that they should be looking at the judges who signed off on this stuff, not just the people who gave it. It is so bad it screams out at you.” On the whole FISA scam which led to the rigged Mueller Witch Hunt!
6:22 AM - 22 Jul 2018

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...teele-dossier/

Bladewire · 07-23-2018, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

412 pages 90+% based on "unverified and salacious" "evidence" according to the very person who signed it..

We will be seeing the unredacted version, 100% guaranteed now.. You may want to start reversing course as others are..

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

Andrew McCarthy - “I said this could never happen. This is so bad that they should be looking at the judges who signed off on this stuff, not just the people who gave it. It is so bad it screams out at you.” On the whole FISA scam which led to the rigged Mueller Witch Hunt!
6:22 AM - 22 Jul 2018

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...teele-dossier/

Trumpsters, forever the victims even with full control of the House, the Senate & the Executive. Grow up and learn how to play defense, playing victim isn't defense

onwebcam · 07-23-2018, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Trumpsters, forever the victims even with full control of the House, the Senate & the Executive. Grow up and learn how to play defense, playing victim isn't defense

You missing the part where the Senate Intelligence Committee was leaking the FISA.. Many of the establishment on both sides are just like you.. Doing everything you can to work against him.. Several will be lucky to escape treason trials.. There's a good reason why Trump has a General as his Chief of Staff. Because when the time comes, it will be the military behind him..

Rochard · 07-23-2018, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

He did.. He was a witness in the case.. That's why he is identified as male-1.. Much like the FISA warrant identifying those "sources" against him.. I've posted all of the details in the case long ago.. At some point I'll find the time to dig it up.. No doubt you were arguing with me in that thread as well..

He might have been a witness. But he did not work for the FBI. He was not an informant. The FBI was investigating someone and they stumbled across Carter Page. At a certain point they questioned Carter Page because of his involvement. He wasn't an informant; He was a suspect.

onwebcam · 07-23-2018, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

He might have been a witness. But he did not work for the FBI. He was not an informant. The FBI was investigating someone and they stumbled across Carter Page. At a certain point they questioned Carter Page because of his involvement. He wasn't an informant; He was a suspect.

He was an informant.. It's a fact Rochard. I'll have to dig up all the shit I posted on it before because it's all buried now due to all the reporting.. They don't want to "out" him... Here's a link to Carter Page telling you himself he "helped" the CIA and FBI in the past on Russia...

Carter Page: I regularly briefed CIA, FBI
https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/vid...i-942023747554

Carter Page is/was deep cover CIA...

Bladewire · 07-23-2018, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

He might have been a witness. But he did not work for the FBI. He was not an informant. The FBI was investigating someone and they stumbled across Carter Page. At a certain point they questioned Carter Page because of his involvement. He wasn't an informant; He was a suspect.

RockHard you need to remember that onwebcam is a full on nutcase it will push conspiracy theories until he's proven wrong in which case he won't admit he's proven wrong and comes up with a new conspiracy theory.

onwebcam · 07-23-2018, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

RockHard you need to remember that onwebcam is a full on nutcase it will push conspiracy theories until he's proven wrong in which case he won't admit he's proven wrong and comes up with a new conspiracy theory.

Nothing new here.. You like going through my old posts. You're welcome to dig it up yourself..

crockett · 07-23-2018, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Nothing new here.. You like going through my old posts. You're welcome to dig it up yourself..

We can all agree then that you are a nutcase pushing conspiracy theories and refuse to ever admit you were wrong..
I'm glad you agree on it but I don't think we need to look through your old posts as most of us have determined this long ago. I'm glad you agree though.

onwebcam · 07-23-2018, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

We can all agree then that you are a nutcase pushing conspiracy theories and refuse to ever admit you were wrong..
I'm glad you agree on it but I don't think we need to look through your old posts as most of us have determined this long ago. I'm glad you agree though.

How's that FISA warrant looking? Sanders is live right now talking about how all the players may get stripped of their security clearances.

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bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,035	What anyone will find when looking at those docs is that the FBI was doing their job. If the FBI suspects you're an agent for Russia, then you most likely are. The FBI doesn't think I'm an agent of Russia. Guess why. __________________