Diomed

SO many Bladewire's in this thread...

Edit to add..

Bladewire, if you continue to call everyone a fake nic (75% of the active board) while operating multiple fake nics I'm literally going to do exactly what you've been doing and post an "informative" paragraph directly under every single one of your posts when I see them.

Your choice.

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Diomed

It is clear that the alt-left truly do suffer from that Trump disease (it's a real thing).

They are so disconnected they would rather see the US crumble rather than to make a single concession.

Why can't people ever un-fuck themselves out of the loop.

It's an epidemic, and not just with partisan politics.

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Bladewire

Slow day for the resident GFY alt-right hate fake nic troll

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Diomed

Alright mate,

Time to go Bladewire on your ass. Shall I include your other "personas" in the group when I pull a Bladewire on ya Bladewire?

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I am always amused when he posts screenshots from his phone

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^^ This is BladeLiar. He's a fake webmaster

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2MuchMark

Hi Robbie,

Trump canceled the meeting, and he didn't have to. No matter what, Trump should try his best to keep the meeting.

What deal? There is no deal yet. This isn't Trump walking away from any deal.

As for what he said on TV is nothing compared to his ridiculous letter. Did you read it?



What a fucking clown he is. Did he really have to threaten again, and boast about his "Massive and powerful" nukes? Seriously. You know someone else wrote this letter, and you know Trump inserted that line. What a fucking child he is, omg..

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I take it you didn't notice he is responding to "tremendous anger and open hostility displayed in your most recent statement"

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Matt-ADX

Mark you are aware that the US wants to enter the meeting with the Libyan style of demilitarization. Something that no damn foreign country wants given what happened to Ghaddafi. So if Kim doesn't even want to entertain that idea (which he said he does not) Trump only loses by taking a meeting and having Kim get a good photo op out of it.

So was there a deal? Yeah, get rid of your nukes or I won't meet you.

dyna mo

that was due to Pence threatening the Libya model on NK if Un does not agree to a deal.

dyna mo

so much for trump's deal making prowess then eh.

Matt-ADX

Hmm, I think he got a lot. He got Un to go to SK, he got the hostages back, he got them to get rid of test sites. He canceled the meeting and Un still said he would like to kiss and make up. I don't know about you but to me it certainly looks like Trump has all the leverage.

beerptrol

The ghostwriter of The Art of The Deal said trump was a fraud!

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dyna mo

the deal was about denuking. that's it. the other stuff was fluff. NK won't denuke, regardless of kiss and makeup.

dyna mo

and no, he didn't get NK to get rid of their test sites. they were done testing and had already destroyed the test mountain with tests.

Matt-ADX

So if that's what the deal was about and they won't can't you agree that him giving Kim the chance to get a photo op and use it for propaganda is a bad idea? Thus canceling the meeting was a good move?

dyna mo

I'm not one of the ones that hoped trump didn't succeed. I'm one of the ones that hoped he would.

as for photo ops, Un's already been legitimized now as a world leader and he still has nukes. He's already gotten most if not all of what he wanted.

But yeah actually, canceling the meeting was a good move because nothing would have come out of it anyway. Un's intransigent on NK nukes. trump doesn't have the deal making skills to talk Un into getting rid of them.

2MuchMark

Of course, but think about it: It shouldn't matter. It's just a statement. If Trump wasn't such a snowflake, he could just dismiss the statement.

My point is this: Trump has been handed a GOLDEN opportunity here: To meet with the leader of NK, something that no other president, like OBAMA, has had the chance to do. This right here would be historic enough. On top of that, Trump has the chance to reduce tensions and create peace.

Trump didn't create this - it was handed to him on a silver plate. All he has to do is be calm, and for fuck sakes just learn a show little basic diplomacy.

"Your recent comments aside I am looking forward to meeting with you and work together with you to reach a lasting peace together for our nations." - That's all he had to say.

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Robbie

I suppose that partisanship is what defines what people see, hear, and think.

I watched the entire thing play out and saw it as masterful on Trump's part.

You get the same input and come out with he's a "fucking clown".

I think the difference is the prism that we are viewing info from. You take what CNN and MSNBC say as good news reporting. I look at them as completely biased and filtering everything through an anti-Trump bias.

Yes Mark...there is a NEGOTIATION. And you have to be willing to walk away from the table.
And of course there isn't a deal yet. That's what the negotiations are for.

And the build up to actually meeting is a vital part of any negotiation. It determines who is going to start out with leverage.

Trump has the leverage right off the bat because he is the President Of The United States. So you can't blame Kim Jung Un for trying to get leverage.

So he made the U.S. team sit in Singapore for 3 days and his team never showed up and went dark on all communication with them.
And then he made threats (again) to destroy the U.S. with nuclear weapons.

Then Trump said I'm sorry...but I'm canceling the summit.

THEN...North Korea did a 180 degree turn and released that statement last night with a peaceful tone.

As of today, Trump is saying the meeting MIGHT still happen.

Mark...to me that is a masterful piece of work by Trump. He is doing what nobody else has done.
You are a very smart guy...and to see you caught up in the hatred of Trump and be blinded shows me that it can happen to the smartest of people.

I don't mean that in a smart-ass way. I mean it very sincerely. This illogical hatred of Trump and denouncing of everything he does is affecting half the people.
Doesn't matter if you are dumb as a rock, or smart as a whip...the emotions of it seem to blind people to the truth.

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Matt-ADX

I don't think anyone has that ability. What happened in Libya is now on the mind of every dictator in the world. He gave up his nukes and the US and Europe fucked him.

dyna mo

You are probably right. trump's over his head.


canceling the iran deal didn't help the sitch either. that's about as smart a negotiating tactic as the move of the Israeli embassy to Jerusalem during middle east peace talks.


there's no art to see here.

Matt-ADX

Kim Jong Un is more desperate to meet Trump than Trump is to meet him. The guy has said time and time again he isn't going to pull an Obama, make a deal just to make a deal (see Iran) The meeting will still happen and it will be on his terms and when he wants.

When he first said he was meeting Un you and your CNN cronies said how it was reckless of him and that now it made NK legit on the world stage. Trump leverages this upcoming meeting to get some things he wanted and then backs out when he gets them and now you and CNN shit on him for ruining a chance at peace.

Get your narrative together.

Rochard

Trump has not made a single "deal" in the entire first year of being in office. TTP? Walked away from. Paris Climate Agreement? Walked away from. Iran? Walked away from.

Of all of the promises he has made, to date he kept only one of them - a tax break for the rich. #winning.

This morning I read a stunning article about US troops on our border with Mexico. The Border Patrol union president, who fully supported US troops on the border, is now calling this a "colossal waste of resources". http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...on-border-is-a

Remember he said he was going to take on the pharmaceutical companies and lower the cost of medication? He did that two weeks ago today. His announcement was so pathetically weak that stock in the pharmaceutical companies went up.

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Matt-ADX

Trump has not made a single deal that I Rochard want or approve of.


Fixed that for you bud

dyna mo

does anyone feel safer now?

the art of the nuclear deal is making childish threats of nuclear annihilation combined with name calling and bailing out on nuclear deals and that's OK?

Bladewire

QFT! The foreign Trump supporter nic chiming in here is a perfect example.

And Robbie will wonder why his insurance premiums are still high, and he'll blame Democrats. He'll wonder why his drug prices haven't gone down and he'll blame Democrats.

It's one thing for Robbie to lie to people online in support of trump it's another thing when he takes a cold hard look at his reality outside of being a Trump cheerleader.

Matt-ADX

There is a difference between giving someone credit when they do something right and giving them shit when they do something wrong. You blindly just criticize anything he does because you want America to fail for some reason.

xClips Jim

Or - something else is going on.

Personally, I feel safer - since you were asking.

Bladewire

Fake nic troll is melting down in every thread today wow!

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dyna mo

you feel safer today than a year ago, with 2 world leaders now threatening nuclear war on each other.

You're smarter than that.

xClips Jim

People feel a certain way because of what they believe to be true. I don't believe any of the premise of this thread is true. Therefore, no - I am not afraid of any of this and I do feel safer because I believe in the logical end game and not headlines.

dyna mo

the threats aren't headlines. they're actual threats made be the 2 guys with access to nukes and war.

moreover, boyish threats aren't a negotiating tactic, they're a low thought bullying tactic. More moreover, the threats obviously failed and continue to do so. trump even continued to threaten nuclear war in his break-up letter to Un.

that's not art.

Robbie

I'm not seeing what you are seeing...
North Korea has been threatening us for decades. Trump on the other hand has simply stated the obvious: NK would be decimated in any kind of war (nuclear of conventional) with the U.S.

Also...the entire tone is 180 degrees different today. The North Koreans are not threatening at all and are again making peaceful overtures...thanks to Trump calling their bluff.

It's all over the news today about how Pelosi and other Democrats look like fools because they IMMEDIATELY (just like a lot of partisan people on GFY did) started ridiculing the President publicly when he pulled out of the meeting.

And then within HOURS the North Koreans came back with their hats in their hands and a conciliatory tone...making Pelosi and others look like the fools they are.

The world DEFINITELY is "safer" today (if that is even a real thing) because Kim Jung Un tried to gain some leverage on the U.S. pre-meeting. Trump easily handled him (decades of experience in real negotiations) and the dance continues.

Mark starting this thread is a prime example of a very smart guy jumping the gun and letting his emotional feelings (hatred) of Trump cause him to look...not so smart.

I had really hoped this kind of nonsense would STOP. But we are over a year into Trump's presidency and there seems to be no end to the hatred of the man.

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xClips Jim

I don't think Pollack is art, either - but people buy it for loads of money. As you pointed out in another thread - ultimately, art is in the eye of the beholder and it speaks to whomever it speaks to.

The threats are headlines - or better yet, they are in the script. This ride will be more fun if you just enjoy the show - or the art.

Bladewire

Robbie was saying that Trump deserved the Nobel Peace Prize.

Now Robbie is saying Democrats are getting ahead of themselves by saying there's no peace.

Robbie was stupid enough to post that he thought Trump deserved the Nobel Peace Prize for NK despite never meeting Kim Jong Un . fucking moron

dyna mo

there are a lot of different topics in this post!

both sides have threatened nukes within the last few days.


in reality 2 men threatening nuclear war on each other is not safer than them not doing so. It's not better than 1 guy threatening nukes and the other not.

I don't care for pelosi as much as I don't care for trump.

the tone is no different, regardless of rhetoric, NK is adamant and otr that they will not denuke.

there is no denuke dance.


mark does that.

dyna mo

I am at complete odds with a POTUS making boyish nuclear threats as a negotiating tactic. get rid of your nukes or we're going to nuke you is also childishly illogical and clearly hasn't accomplished anything.

just because trump claims it's art, doesn't make it so. just like there is no art in war.

there is no beauty (art) in recklessly and callously threatening nuclear annihilation.

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I think you are ignoring the fact that threatening war and threatening to attack Seoul with artillery, shelling the area to "kill millions", firing rockets over Japan countless times, attacking/sinking vessels in the area to kill civilians, threatening the destruction of the USA almost daily, having a national position that they are still at war with the USA, having refused for years to work with the US/IAEA, having kicked them out, having lied countless times about enriching nuclear materials, having lied about facilities and capabilities, having threatened the USA BEFORE Trump was President with nuclear war many times, being a major selling of weapons to terrorists, the single largest counterfeiter of currency on the planet etc etc etc etc etc etc and then saying "Trump called his bluff and we're now all in grave danger" is a little disingenuous... as if there wasn't a real threat for 3-4 decades already and they aren't 100% impossible and ALWAYS making threats day and night as they improve their capability to carry them out.

The threat ONLY exists because they were never effectively confronted.

The only reason any shit country wants nukes is to get a seat at the nuclear blackmail table for their own gain. Before they had nukes and the US threatened to cut off their aid (oil, food, medical), they responded with "we'll take that as an act of war".

There is no choice anymore. IF the world wants to finally kill this cancer, the time for talk is over. We've been nice to them for at least 3 decades and got nothing in return but threats while they starved their own people to death and murder any opposition in macabre public executions, using anti-aircraft guns to turn a body to goo while the ruling elite watches.

They have no cards to play that don't end in economic collapse, collapse of the regime or their total annihilation. They literally have no cards left to play. They never did. Their only move at this point is to negotiate their survival. They can only be forced to the table when its made clear that there is no more Obama to give them a free pass on being assholes and making threats. The US, Japan and Korea let China use NK as a surrogate to play games. They all tried to appease and work with NK, while being threatened and lied to the entire time. Even Bill Clinton was actively drawing up plans to bomb them for their behavior.

No, we are not in more danger because a fat kid with no moves left is making the same threats they've been making for almost 3/4 of a century.

They've been forced to the table... not because they care, but because they are losing their grip on their people and they're broke. (Amazon has a shit ton of docs about NK and i love watching them). It's time to either break them and force them to the table or force their collapse. Obviously SK and Japan are of that same mind.

xClips Jim

Not if you believed it when you threatened it.

There is art when it's done in the movies. You even get an award for it. And re-elected.

dyna mo

I'm not ignoring any of that. You're ignoring the fact that the nuclear threats are new. NK hasn't had nukes and therefor, could not threaten with nukes prior to recently. I haven't mentioned conventional war because trump isn't threatening conventional war, he's childishly threatening nuclear annihilation.

they weren't forced to any table. it wasn't trump's idea to have a summit, the idea of a summit was floated to him and he jumped at it less than 45 minutes after the idea was posited without any due diligence.


I've watched plenty of those docs as well. I'm not scared about a nuclear war, but that has nothing to do with the current childish rhetoric and nuclear threats making the world less safe that it was before. I'm having a difficult time with smart people not realizing that a war of words between 2 world leaders threatening nuclear war on each other is less safe than not threatening nuclear war.

that's something we should all agree on. as humans.

TheSquealer

I think that we should all agree on the fact that when someone has been threatening your destruction and that of your allies for decades while you've done everything possible to assist them and give them chances, that at some point you completely pull the plug and call them exactly what they are and put an end to it.

This is an issue of national defense and the security of 3 nations being directly threatened continually by NK.... with decisions being made by people operating with 1000X more information than you or I have.


But anyway...
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RedFred

I firmly believe some Trump supporters would welcome nuclear war.

xClips Jim

The only reason we disagree on this situation is that we operate under different assumptions. If I believed what we are seeing was real, I would agree with you and that this kind of talk certainly makes us less safe. However, I don't believe that at all. I believe this is part of a script that is extremely well planned and shows an incredible insight into the minds of the opponent - because the same play works every time.

Robbie

I don't see it that way at all.
The North Koreans have actually said over and over that they WILL nuke the United States.
They even made a propaganda film with CGI showing Washington D.C. being nuked (back during the Obama Admin)

Trump did not openly threaten them in the last few days. His letter is very, very good in my opinion.
He is respectful to them and at the same time puts in a reminder of our incredible military power.

That is what the Asian culture understands: Strength.

Hell, most cultures understand that. From the Middle East to the Far East.

The decades of our leaders acting like pussy's in their tone has led us to wars all over the globe, terrorists attacks, etc.

Nobody has to go to war, but acting too "sensitive" all the time when dealing with others makes you look weak. And when we are perceived to be weak...we get hit.

That is Trump's strategy. He wants to deal with the world from a position of strength.

We have already tried (for decades) to send in our diplomats with their limp-wristed subtlety and delicate wording. And what did that get us?

Think about that for a second.

Look at what President Obama's policy was towards North Korea for instance: "Strategic Patience" is what he called it.
I call that "kicking the can down the road" and doing nothing.

As President Trump said: This should have been taken care of a long time ago.

I do believe that Trump will resolve North Korea. Either with diplomacy or war.
And that's not Trump's "fault". That's the way it was going to go eventually no matter what.

I'm thinking that Trump may be the ONLY President we have had in modern times who can get this done diplomatically.
He will speak the language that they can understand...and not the expert diplomatic pussy gibberish that has failed our country for so long.

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dyna mo

what would be wrong with trump using diplomacy and world coalition pressure to get NK to sign the UN treaty on nuclear weapon prohibition? Seems a smarter play than threatening nuclear war.

It's on its way to being codified as International law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty...uclear_Weapons

I'm open to hearing reasons why not.

TheSquealer

Yeah, we see the idiotic posts of people like you, beerpatrol and bladewire every single day. There's no doubt that you guys all believe a great deal of stupid shit that has no basis in reality whatsoever.

Watching the left melt down every single day is now one of my greatest pleasures... 8 years of self righteous "we are right about everything and if you dissagree, you're a racist hillbilly" has now been met with reality and you are firmly in the minority... and even more comical, still losing ground right now heading into mid terms and you continue to ratchet up your "We hate Trump" rhetoric, never realizing that it's your immaturity and intolerance and hostility to free speech and democratic elections that is causing your problem as a party to begin with.

dyna mo

Robbie, Trump's letter has a nuke attack threat in it. it's very passive aggressive.

Matt-ADX

They aren't new, they were doing this in the Obama years. I know you are not a blind Trump hater, but you are letting Trump's lose cannon image skew your view. The person you are quoting is right. China is done with NK's shit, everyone has had enough and now baby Kim has to come to the table. Trump holds all the cards and good for him for walking away. He doesn't need this meeting and like Robbie said look how quick NK changed their tune, maybe, just maybe Trump and his team might have this one right?

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/06/w...ler-nukes.html