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Old 04-26-2018, 11:43 AM   #51
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Most of them are companies meanwhile and they will probably not even read here.
So name these companies. They would love the free advertising. Not your customers of course.

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for people who are thinking that GFY or any other adult board is representing the adult industry it really looks like the adult industry is getting down year by year.
but if they would have the complete view they would realize that the opposite is the case.

sure - in these days you will not find many who make 100 k per year - because they split into one group what makes less than 10 k per year an the other group what makes a few million.
Back in the day content producers working in the offline business made over $100k a year. It was easy if you could find, coach and shoot the right models. You think it's big, I don't.

Then there were the porn retailers making $Millions. Flynt, Raymond, Gold, Sullivan, Milton, Heffner, Beate Uhse, anyone who owned a few of sex shops could expect $million pound income. The mafia weren't involved because it was a penny farthing business.

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overseeing this facts is the reason of wrong convictions as paulīs.
Making someone see beyond his tiny world is hard, your's is advertising where the product is given away for free to garner traffic that would pay if it weren't free. You now claim that advertising is bigger than the industry producing the products, that's illogical.

Mainstream advertising has always been bigger than porn.



Chesterfield ads were bigger than porn back in the day, but not bigger than the Tobacco Industry. So please stick to porn and prove you know what you are talking about with porn style ads on porn sites. And stop claiming Advertising Complete is bigger than a small industry. I know that.
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Making someone see beyond his tiny world is hard, your's is advertising where the product is given away for free to garner traffic that would pay if it weren't free. You now claim that advertising is bigger than the industry producing the products, that's illogical.
paul, I am 21 years in this biz and not only in advertising.
I did all and everything what one can do in this biz while you only know it from your small perspective.

the advertising biz was and is the biggest in the whole internet.

no matter HOW you get customers.
it can be a weather site a social media site or a porn site or whatever.

you are crying because a sandkorn on the beach got lost.
you never had the big perspective.

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Mainstream advertising has always been bigger than porn.
tell me what is mainstream advertising?

regarding your vision it means that a weather site is here to sell thermometers and
a formula 1 site can only sell sportscars.

you should really sometimes have a look in the real world.

just only in dating there are BILLIONS made with porn customers.

enhancement stuff could not reach such a HUGE revenue without free porn.
another WORLD WIDE MARKET what makes billions not by selling porn but promoting it to this customers.

gaming, gambling, travel and much much more did already find out that porn users are just normal consumers and they are not scared anymore to promote on porn sites.

you are right when you say that the market has changed but it did not went down - it became MUCH bigger as it was before.

just dreamers like you did not mention it.

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Chesterfield ads were bigger than porn back in the day, but not bigger than the Tobacco Industry. So please stick to porn and prove you know what you are talking about with porn style ads on porn sites. And stop claiming Advertising Complete is bigger than a small industry. I know that.
aha - and you think that chesterfield or the tobacco industry did spend their money ONLY on smokers sites ???

do you think that weather sites are belonging to the weather industry?
do you think that sports-sites are belonging to the sports industry ?

just have a look in your daily newspaper who is advertising there and after that tell me to what industry the newspaper belongs to.
go and open a shoping channel on your tv and look what they sell there. after that tell me to what industry the shopping channel belongs to.

watch a soap comedy and see who is advertising there and tell me what it have to do with the comedy.

i really canīt understand why you do not even understand the basic things of the MEDIA industry - and this is actually the industry we belong to.
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Cams, I'm doing 2-3k biweekly, honestly.
can i ask you a serious question?

if you make 2-3 k biweeky (what is actually not really good money) WHY do you say that ?

letīs say only 20 of the readers here would catch up your idea you have 20 competitors more. this 20 competitors donīt make the buying market any bigger. they HAVE to live from the EXISTING market - with other words: YOURS !!!

when i promoted cams in the beginning times (i think was in 1999/2000) i made 20-30 k WEEKLY and I was able to make that because the complete market was still believing in memberships and dialer stuff.

i remember that my webmasterID was something around 60 or 70.

3 years later - when the cams were booming but my income was down more than 50% i referred a webmaster into that program and his webmasterid was 5-digit.

this is one of this typical examples what happend million times.
I think when I started promoting cams the cam market was like 10% of the total porn market.
3 years later cams made 70% of the total - so 7 times more than before but the average income of the competitors decreased to a tenth of what is was before.

the individual will see this issue as "decreasing market" - but the real story is that it was INCREASING a fucking lot. but the number of competitors increased MORE than the money in the market.


1.000.000 / 100 = 10.000
10.000.000 /10.000 = 1.000

and even when there is 10 times more money spend as before, paul would call that the end of the cam-industry

the absolute same happend with membersites.
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can i ask you a serious question?

if you make 2-3 k biweeky (what is actually not really good money) WHY do you say that ?
Sometimes I'm honest to a fault. Take a look at my old posts. I'm not a shit poster, I genuinely want good things for everyone. It took me reading someone saying the same thing "pick cams". I've been a failure at adult for 10 years and this last 1.5 years it clicked.

I went from $500, sometimes $200 a month for the 2-3 years before I went to cams from reviewing porn sites. Made most of my money writing for others.

If my suggestion changes someone's life go for it. I'm still growing, which is nice.

Now you say that's not good money, I agree, on it's own, it's fair, but not good. But I also work a job in the high XX,XXX low XXX,XXX some years. It depends on how much OT I do. So yeah I'm still working like a dog but I have the life I've been dreaming of lately. So I'm at peace sharing a few suggestions. If I can't compete with the new competition (I can, I worked on my stuff even when I made nothing for a very long time), I don't deserve to be in the game.

Thanks for your post, it allowed me to say a few things too. Have a good one.
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Because the businesses that usually are sold in this industry are shells of their former self and at anytime, things could change and drop the income dramatically. On top of that, there is just more sense in investing money into something that could profit much higher since this industry will continue to be the easiest way to invest money.

Mainstream companies sell for more due to stability, how hard it is to start a company in mainstream and the larger buyer market
I don't disagree with you - I'm just saying you have to have money to make it now
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gaming, gambling, travel and much much more did already find out that porn users are just normal consumers and they are not scared anymore to promote on porn sites.
I solved that years ago already by setting up some seperate travel, gambling and other sites and promote these sites on my adult network Never had any problem.

i also don't see any difference in porn, gambling, travel, I just do all. And when i was at the Bangkok Affiliate World it was very interesting. Much more interesting than the traditional porn conferences.
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I solved that years ago already by setting up some seperate travel, gambling and other sites and promote these sites on my adult network Never had any problem.

i also don't see any difference in porn, gambling, travel, I just do all. And when i was at the Bangkok Affiliate World it was very interesting. Much more interesting than the traditional porn conferences.
this is exactly what paul never understands.
in his world porn users are buying porn only.

in his mind also free tv canīt exist because the watchers donīt pay for the movies they are watching.
he even ignores that all the websites he get his correct or incorrect information from are free sites and mostly financed from advertising.

the time he remembers was the time when people paid for ONE newspaper and shared it with the complete neighborhood.
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Thank you!

Sometimes I'm honest to a fault. Take a look at my old posts. I'm not a shit poster, I genuinely want good things for everyone. It took me reading someone saying the same thing "pick cams". I've been a failure at adult for 10 years and this last 1.5 years it clicked.

I went from $500, sometimes $200 a month for the 2-3 years before I went to cams from reviewing porn sites. Made most of my money writing for others.

If my suggestion changes someone's life go for it. I'm still growing, which is nice.

Now you say that's not good money, I agree, on it's own, it's fair, but not good. But I also work a job in the high XX,XXX low XXX,XXX some years. It depends on how much OT I do. So yeah I'm still working like a dog but I have the life I've been dreaming of lately. So I'm at peace sharing a few suggestions. If I can't compete with the new competition (I can, I worked on my stuff even when I made nothing for a very long time), I don't deserve to be in the game.

Thanks for your post, it allowed me to say a few things too. Have a good one.
donīt get me wrong - I appreciate honest people who like to share and try to give instead to take only.

this is actually what I am trying also but not with THE solution to become a millionaire but with a bit of my knowledge in this market and some logic what mostly get lost when people want to believe in a future without problems.

over 40 years of my life I was spending with marketing science and the last 21 of them in internet. It is not only because I am quite good in that - it is because I love this job.
I love to analyze problems and find solutions.

There was no generation before us who had the possibility to see "market evolution" in such a time laps speed as we can see it in the "generation internet".

so called "trends" are coming and going - but if you really look deeper they did never come and never go. there was just a time when they have been overseen and after that they have been overestimated.

there is nothing existing like an endless market. the internet itself is a self-breeding snowball system - a universe in which bubbles blow and burst every day.

and as you know for sure every snowball system is self destroying at the point when the number of sellers is getting bigger as the number of buyers.

there as also a time when nearly everybody promoted livecams.
they promoted it because the few who did it already made good money and everybody wanted to do the same.
but a limited numbers of buyers can only feed a limited number of sellers.

that means that even a good advice is a self destroying advise because IF people listen and react it will overload this segment again.

I think there are so many possibilities to survive in porn if we just recognize and accept that porno customers not only buy porn.
there is an interesting number what is showing that all porn site visitors in the past and now did never spend more than 0,26% of their monthly budget for porn.

and sure there are some in between that even spend 110% of their budget for a limited time and many who did never spend a cent for it.

but what they all have in common is that ALL of them spend nearly all of their monthly budget for other things. imagine what that would mean if the pron industry could get 2,6 % of it instead of 0,26 %.
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The problem with porn is that it can't do anything new and still retain mass appeal and keep it off pirate sites and Tubes. It's basically boy fucks girl, girl fuck girl, solo girl and the men fuck men. Mainstream niches are shooting the same scenes over and over again for decades, long before the Internet.

When those scenes or very similar are given away for free you get 1117 seeds and 478 leechers or free views in the 10s of millions. HD made no difference, VR makes no difference so what can be done to rescue the mainstay of the porn industry?


Make the purchaser fall in love with the girl first for example. Then offer xxx content.
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I don't disagree with you - I'm just saying you have to have money to make it now

That is not really true.

Obviously everything takes time and effort that can just be sped up/make easier with money, but you don't have to have money to make it. but various skills do help.
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That is not really true.

Obviously everything takes time and effort that can just be sped up/make easier with money, but you don't have to have money to make it. but various skills do help.
It is more true. Anything can happen, but porn has become a more conventional business and not the wild west it was.

Show me 10 millionaires created who started with nothing in the last 5 years. We should know them, they should be easy to spot. Or show me 5 new top line companies created in the last 5 years. Or anything like that.
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for me too, but not as good as 10 years ago
i get mostly money from membership sites (ccbill, nats programs) and some from ad brokers like exoclick

and you? what sells good for you?
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Make the purchaser fall in love with the girl first for example. Then offer xxx content.
this is exactly what all these amateur girls do with the tubes and wherever they can place free content.

actually there are even some who pays for getting their content on the tubes. this is what paul will never understand because he is not familiar with todayīs business.

if someone just knows ONE of thousand possible ways he will swear that there is no other.

what paul fucks up is the fact, that all that is working without the traditional people like him.
there are 100 thousand amateurs around and they are content, producer and affiliate in one person. some of them are even the program owners too.

alone this part of the biz is MUCH bigger as the good old times paul is dreaming about.
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this is exactly what all these amateur girls do with the tubes and wherever they can place free content.

actually there are even some who pays for getting their content on the tubes. this is what paul will never understand because he is not familiar with todayīs business.

if someone just knows ONE of thousand possible ways he will swear that there is no other.

what paul fucks up is the fact, that all that is working without the traditional people like him.
there are 100 thousand amateurs around and they are content, producer and affiliate in one person. some of them are even the program owners too.

alone this part of the biz is MUCH bigger as the good old times paul is dreaming about.
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can i ask you a serious question?

if you make 2-3 k biweeky (what is actually not really good money) WHY do you say that ?

letīs say only 20 of the readers here would catch up your idea you have 20 competitors more. this 20 competitors donīt make the buying market any bigger. they HAVE to live from the EXISTING market - with other words: YOURS !!!

when i promoted cams in the beginning times (i think was in 1999/2000) i made 20-30 k WEEKLY and I was able to make that because the complete market was still believing in memberships and dialer stuff.

i remember that my webmasterID was something around 60 or 70.

3 years later - when the cams were booming but my income was down more than 50% i referred a webmaster into that program and his webmasterid was 5-digit.

this is one of this typical examples what happend million times.
I think when I started promoting cams the cam market was like 10% of the total porn market.
3 years later cams made 70% of the total - so 7 times more than before but the average income of the competitors decreased to a tenth of what is was before.

the individual will see this issue as "decreasing market" - but the real story is that it was INCREASING a fucking lot. but the number of competitors increased MORE than the money in the market.


1.000.000 / 100 = 10.000
10.000.000 /10.000 = 1.000

and even when there is 10 times more money spend as before, paul would call that the end of the cam-industry

the absolute same happend with membersites.


Good analysis. A very good point of view

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This thread is all over the place! So let's set some parameters.

What is "good money"? What is "successful"? If you live in New York City and own a home in New Jersey, as I do, then "successful" is (bare minimum) 100K a year. 200K is comfortable.

Now what if you live in Europe where the average inome is $200 euroes a week? Or in Alabama where the average yearly income is $19,000. What is "successful" to that person?

Let's say you own a company (as I do). What is "successful"? Compared to Pornhub? Well that's like comparing any retail business to Wal-Mart.

My definition of success: you can pay ALL your bills, save/invest money for retirement, work how & when you want. Therefore: I am crushing it.
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I don't get why the question came up about 'what is successful'

The thread clearly defines 'success' as relative to the past. It was a thread about where the money has gone to... where the market is trending. So what you personally define as success doesn't necessarily matter
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I don't get why the question came up about 'what is successful'

The thread clearly defines 'success' as relative to the past. It was a thread about where the money has gone to... where the market is trending. So what you personally define as success doesn't necessarily matter
Actually it matters A LOT. Where did WHAT money go? The millions/billions made in 2002 compared to 2018? We've already established that the money never 'went' anywhere, it simply re-shifted into the hands of a few major players as opposed to thousands of smaller affiliates.

Numbers in the Adult Industry are fluffy at best, no one knows "how much" the Adult Industry as a whole made then as compared to now. It's all guesstimates. So again it comes down to: how much do YOU want to make, feel you can make and are happy to be making. The rest is useless mental masturbation.

If you compare your company's success or failure to larger, more established companies you will feel UNsuccessful. It's called the Law Of Contrast. Personally, I don't care how much Paul Markham thinks I should make, or how much thommy considers 'big time'. I know what makes ME happy and that's the only metric anyone should use IMHO.

Where's the money at? Cams, dating, paysites, buying/selling traffic, processing, dick pills....ok now what?
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Thats the thing, the question is where it was shifted to. Thats it. The rest is an answer to a question that wasn't asked ;) To overcomplicate the original question.

Feel like any response about how much you make and what you are happy with is somebodys immediate response because they feel the need to defend what theyre doing.

question was, where has it shifted. paul believes it disappeared, rest answered where they believe it went.

answer is:

it has shifted to a few players hands due to the investment and skill required now and software software based companies

can you still make money where it has perhaps shifted from? Yes. Is it harder now? Likely. Is the ceiling as high? Not likely.
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Thats the thing, the question is where it was shifted to. Thats it. The rest is an answer to a question that wasn't asked ;) To overcomplicate the original question.

Feel like any response about how much you make and what you are happy with is somebodys immediate response because they feel the need to defend what theyre doing.

question was, where has it shifted. paul believes it disappeared, rest answered where they believe it went.

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it has shifted to a few players hands due to the investment and skill required now and software software based companies

can you still make money where it has perhaps shifted from? Yes. Is it harder now? Likely. Is the ceiling as high? Not likely.
Oh I agree with you, I was not trying to be argumentative. I did inject what the definition of success is because that's what was missing from the discussion I believe. The short answer has been posted again and again. Then Paul and the Old Timers come in with distorted memories and opinions. LOL

I was also thinking the OP is like a lot of people who got out and are considering getting back into Adult now in 2018. It can seem even MORE daunting now then perhaps it was a decade or more ago when I started. Chances are the OP is wondering how and where he can make the $$$ today. It's harder today yes but still doable, and Goals and Expectations play a role.

Like you said yourself, you could start a Solo Girl site today and make 5-10K a month. But you don't. Maybe that isn't enough incentive for you but for others, maybe the OP, that amount would be life changing. The term "Adult Industry" covers a lot of ground, from clips stores to solo models to giant companies. Just sayin'.
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When I say anybody can walk in and start a solo site and make that, i should say, anybody who knows their stuff. If you don't know your stuff, you will fail no matter what it is. And a person who hasn't been around in years and most likely got phased out, will probably fail. So you should consider who you're giving advice to. Honestly somebody in that situation, who isn't extremely gifted in this industry, up to date on trends, etc - is more likely to succeed investing money than trying to start something small that requires more skill and there's a lot of gifted people who would love to partner on projects that could use additional funding, it would allow a person without much ability to learn and catch up as well. Don't have money? Find it. You'd be surprised how easy it is to find people in your city that would kill for the profit margins adult provide or people who want more time with their kids (working remotely) or just the chance to be around pornstars, etc etc - If you can't succeed doing that, it's hard to imagine you can succeed running a business

What you are doing and solo sites, all the things that used to be easy are infact the hardest route to take. Not just harder than before but harder than the alternative. Using outdated methods makes it an uphill battle in regards to work and expertise. However raising capital and executing something that is missing in this industry or vastly improving on one of these newer pieces of software is MUCH easier. They leave alot of room for improvement because the guys behind these adult companies aren't really that knowledgeable. It takes them 10 years to figure out how to get the most out of what they got. Look at manyvids, its structured like a 1999 website. It's just that theyre the only ones who had money, believed in the idea and invested into the idea. There is little to no innovation in adult, people are coming out with a minimal viable product and slowly improving on it. You can copy an existing idea and make it better very easily. but you need money. Blackd did that with paysites. Manyvids looked at clips sites and made it more relevant and better. It really doesn't need to be a new idea, improve on anything out there and it will beat it. To this day, i have yet to see a product that is better, not do better.

TLDR: Telling a newbie or some guy getting back in the industry to start small isn't necessarily the best idea. since small = much harder. So while he may be happy with 2k or 5k, that is most likely less achievable
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When I say anybody can walk in and start a solo site and make that, i should say, anybody who knows their stuff. If you don't know your stuff, you will fail no matter what it is. And a person who hasn't been around in years and most likely got phased out, will probably fail. So you should consider who you're giving advice to. Honestly somebody in that situation, who isn't extremely gifted in this industry, up to date on trends, etc - is more likely to succeed investing money than trying to start something small that requires more skill and there's a lot of gifted people who would love to partner on projects that could use additional funding, it would allow a person without much ability to learn and catch up as well. Don't have money? Find it. You'd be surprised how easy it is to find people in your city that would kill for the profit margins adult provide or people who want more time with their kids (working remotely) or just the chance to be around pornstars, etc etc - If you can't succeed doing that, it's hard to imagine you can succeed running a business

What you are doing, solo sites, all the things that used to be easy are harder now. Not just harder than before but harder than the alternative. Using outdated methods makes it an uphill battle in regards to work and expertise. However raising capital and executing something that is missing in this industry or vastly improving on one of these newer pieces of software is MUCH easier. They leave alot of room for improvement because the guys behind these adult companies aren't really that knowledgeable. It takes them 10 years to figure out how to get the most out of what they got. Look at manyvids, its structured like a 1999 website. It's just that theyre the only ones who had money, believed in the idea and invested into the idea. There is little to no innovation in adult, people are coming out with a minimal viable product and slowly improving on it. You can copy an existing idea and make it better very easily. but you need money. Blackd did that with paysites. Manyvids looked at clips sites and made it more relevant and better. It really doesn't need to be a new idea, improve on anything out there and it will beat it. To this day, i have yet to see a product that is better, not do better.

TLDR: Telling a newbie or some guy getting back in the industry to start small isn't necessarily the best idea. since small = much harder. So while he may be happy with 2k or 5k, that might most likely less achievable
Well you make excellent points. Especially about someone's skill level and commitment. But just throwing money at projects doesn't always work, either. You need a Game Plan and some success to model.

So for me expectations and Goals are key. I could spend my time trying to build a better mousetrap or I could maximize and scale what I know works (for me) and is better suited to my skill set. But in the end, regardless of talk, Goals, etc, what you say is 100% correct. It all depends on the person. If someone is motivated enough then nothing will stop him. I'm that way and I am guessing so are you. LOL That's probably why we are still here, adapting and not dying but growing.
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Where's the money at? Cams, dating, paysites, buying/selling traffic, processing, dick pills....ok now what?
the money is in all of that and more.
the only problem in an industry like ours is that we have a funny effect what i gave the name "seesaw effect".

imagine 5 kids on a seesaw 2 of them sitting on one side and the other 3 on the opposite side.
the 3 kids on the left side see that the 2 on the right side are high up in the air and they decide to move also to the right side.
imagine what will happen......

regarding your other argument "what is good money" really depends on personal life quality. but I would not even nail that on the amount of money. for me "good money" is when I made the maximum what is possible with my hands, my brain, my time and my skills. if this is less than average i would do something else. if it is over average and pays my life standard or even more i call it "good money".

if someone is really a business man from his heart he will see money anyway like a singer his applause.
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the money is in all of that and more.
the only problem in an industry like ours is that we have a funny effect what i gave the name "seesaw effect".

imagine 5 kids on a seesaw 2 of them sitting on one side and the other 3 on the opposite side.
the 3 kids on the left side see that the 2 on the right side are high up in the air and they decide to move also to the right side.
imagine what will happen......
Hah very true, the money is dictated at wherever the big players decide to invest it. Can change at anytime. Smaller guys were phased out and no longer have the money to get anything going so its up to pornhub/blacked to dictate where they see themselves getting the most money from. That's not to say paysites can't make them alot of money but if they decide to invest into 3d, thats only because it will make THEM more than paysites would.

I personally believe ModelCentro knew big paysites could make them alot of money but they see ModelCentro/FanCentro as being a better profit margin. Software developers are cheaper than Models & Producers

So that goes to show you, nobody being involved in paysites is only evident of where the big players are deciding to go.
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the money is in all of that and more.
the only problem in an industry like ours is that we have a funny effect what i gave the name "seesaw effect".

imagine 5 kids on a seesaw 2 of them sitting on one side and the other 3 on the opposite side.
the 3 kids on the left side see that the 2 on the right side are high up in the air and they decide to move also to the right side.
imagine what will happen......

regarding your other argument "what is good money" really depends on personal life quality. but I would not even nail that on the amount of money. for me "good money" is when I made the maximum what is possible with my hands, my brain, my time and my skills. if this is less than average i would do something else. if it is over average and pays my life standard or even more i call it "good money".

if someone is really a business man from his heart he will see money anyway like a singer his applause.
We have the same definition of "good money".
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Actually it matters A LOT. Where did WHAT money go? The millions/billions made in 2002 compared to 2018? We've already established that the money never 'went' anywhere, it simply re-shifted into the hands of a few major players as opposed to thousands of smaller affiliates.

Numbers in the Adult Industry are fluffy at best, no one knows "how much" the Adult Industry as a whole made then as compared to now. It's all guesstimates. So again it comes down to: how much do YOU want to make, feel you can make and are happy to be making. The rest is useless mental masturbation.

If you compare your company's success or failure to larger, more established companies you will feel UNsuccessful. It's called the Law Of Contrast. Personally, I don't care how much Paul Markham thinks I should make, or how much thommy considers 'big time'. I know what makes ME happy and that's the only metric anyone should use IMHO.

Where's the money at? Cams, dating, paysites, buying/selling traffic, processing, dick pills....ok now what?
So all advertising is bigger than porn and porn is bigger than porn adverting.
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You know.
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Make the purchaser fall in love with the girl first for example. Then offer xxx content.
What do you do to encourage that?

Solo girls promoting themselves have been doing it for years.
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I have always supported solo girls promoting themselves.
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To anyone coming into the porn industry now, expect the going to be tough. The traffic is on free sites and the conversion rate is poor, very poor. You are competing with the biggest tubes and when a guy falls in love with a girl getting banged, you're clutching at straws. Guys don't normally fall in love with girls fucking someone else.

Then there are the bigger porn sites who probably have the girl, the better shooters, better cameras and 1,000s of affiliates.


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That is not really true.

Obviously everything takes time and effort that can just be sped up/make easier with money, but you don't have to have money to make it. but various skills do help.
@emmasexytime, congrats your directory looks nice. I m doing cams for 15 years if you would like to mastermind write me I 'll be glad to share.
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how can you know ?
did you try it and if yes HOW did you try it ?

I am pretty sure that you do not have the smallest clue how to advertise, how to messure, how to control and how to optimize.

professionality is here ALSO the magic word and the one who is not a professional advertiser will not be able to make money. and you know why? because he is not able to pay the same price as the ones what are professional and buy all this traffic for a MUCH higher price as he can.
these are the rules of the market - there is no exception for amateurs.

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loooool - that means all this camsites and amateursites are financed from who ???


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and this is exactly what makes it to a one under thousand under the roof of a big brand.
but nobody buys a brand in porn.

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we already do paul - you just missed this point.
we already make a lot of money with promoting products on porn sites what did not advertise there in the times of the dinosaurs.
but times have changed.

just today I got a nice offer from a very well known international nonadult company SEEKING porn traffic and spend for a first 2-week-test 30.000 €.and as they are calculating with a lifetime value per user what is 100 times higher as the value such a user would have on a porn site they can pay a much higher price than any porn product would be able to pay.

so tell me WHY should i sell a click for 2 cent to a porn product when I can sell the same click for 25-30 cent ?
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