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HEY LIBERALS, what to have an honest conversation about Race in America? Yeah, sure you do.

In the United States of the Perpetually Offended, leftists have long utilized political correctness to silence their ideological opposition. They silence their opponents with charges of racism and bigotry while subscribing to the very beliefs they criticize. As discussed here, most black people hate white people. Thats OK, its their right to hate whomever. But the false doctrine of political correctness forces white people to accept every negative action from every culture or be criticized as racist or some other character flaw. This is hypocrisy on steroids. Moreover, crime and poor behavior from blacks and other races is glossed over or totally ignored by leftists and race-baiters of various races. How can we have an honest conversation when honesty is never entered into the equation? More and more crackas are coming to that realization.

President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder have said on numerous occasions that America needs an honest conversation on racial issues. An honest conversation is the last thing these PC leftists want. They want to further their agenda by blaming Americas trouble on evil white men while excusing the violence, ignorance, and irresponsibility of too many minorities.

White liberals and race-baiting blacks are worse! They disingenuously say they want to have an honest conversation but their agenda is to blame whites while sweeping every negative behavior of blacks under the carpet. Anyone who watched the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman debacle sees quite easily that white liberals and black racists werent concerned with truth and justice. They wanted the neck of a white man to further their leftist agenda and keep blacks voting Democrat. They even invented a new race in calling Zimmerman a Hispanic white (a first!) to drum up an actual white-on-black crime.

Robbie

And the shark just got jumped.

Total and complete insanity that politicians have actually convinced otherwise intelligent people of this kind of nonsense.

Mark, ANYBODY being on foodstamps is a goddamned tragedy. It represents a family unable to care for themselves. It's not a "good investment" in any way at all...neither financially, socially, or culturally.

Perhaps if these people could get JOBS...then they wouldn't need foodstamps. That is what has been missing for a few years now.

Pres. Obama came into office and said he was "focused like a laser" on job creation.
Then he spent the next year and a half on ObamaCare.

"Shovel Ready" jobs he claimed with a ONE TRILLION DOLLAR "stimulus".
Then I see him on television 6 months later LAUGHING and making a joke that the jobs "weren't as shovel ready as we thought".

No Mark, foodstamps are NOT a "good investment". You sound like fucking Nancy Pelosi. And that bitch is as crazy as Michelle Bachman. She might hide it a little better. But she's out there in crazy land just as far.

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Slutboat

I just think it's so telling that no one will just have the balls to just stand up and say "I'm a Proud Republican" even though SO many of you reading this are indeed Republicans.

It's just fun isn't it? Witnessing the last gasps of a dying band of wretched white GOP throwbacks - this whole flare up of the ultra-racist Tea Party and all the anti-abortion and anti-voting "Conservative Values" lost cause... It's just the raspy death rattle of a bygone rich/old/white regime from yesteryear.

The GOP is dead, they just haven't claimed the body.

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Slutboat

Dude that statement just scored you the biggest Dumbfuck of the thread award.

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Robbie

Nancy Pelosi Quotes:
"But we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it"

"Every month that we do not have an economic recovery package 500 million Americans lose their jobs."

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region"

"We haven't really gotten the credit for what we have done"

No Nancy, but perhaps history will end up giving you the "credit" you deserve.

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Robbie

And of course don't forget this big CNN headline of Nancy Pelosi:

"Pelosi: Food Stamps and Unemployment Give ‘Biggest Bang for Our Buck’"

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Vendzilla

What's your point, I never brought this up in this thread, you did!

So you believe that the GOVERNMENT printing up 85 billion dollars a month is a good thing?

Not really about the cost, it's about how many people are forced to get on the program because of a shitty economy. Let's face it, if the economy is doing well, then less people would need food stamps, not more!


he said it during the presidential debates, he claimed credit basically for oil production being up, when in fact, he has issued less new leases than Bush or Clinton in the same amount of time. Production is up on private land.

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think about that

DTK

Here's a better question..how does it feel to be a republican OR a democrat?

Either way, you're pulling for an utterly corrupt party which has been selling the country out to the highest bidder for decades. Well played, dupes

See sig.

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Robbie

DTK you're just wasting your time trying to tell these people the truth.

It's a "team sport" to them. Their "side" can do no wrong. If they are Republican then it's all Democrats fault. If they are Democrat it's all Republicans fault.

They don't seem to have ANY foundations at all. I'm reading this whole thing and realizing that "Democrat" does NOT equal "liberal" in the traditional sense at all.

These Faux Liberals are "okay" with a Democrat president ordering drone strikes around the world (killing innocent men, women, and children in the "collateral damage"), spying on us, and the IRS targeting people.
And that's just the shit we KNOW about.

It blows my mind.

If you were to plug in the name "Richard Nixon" in the place of "Barrack Obama" for all these things...Democrats would be marching in the streets and Rolling Stone would be running article after article calling for his impeachment.

It's outrageous.

These people are not liberals. They are DEMOCRATS. That is their "team". They will cheer for them no matter what they do.

I think that's a dangerous mindset for our country.

True liberals turned on Pres. Lyndon Johnson over the Vietnam War. They didn't give a damn if he was a Democrat or not.

Today's "DINO's" (Democrat in name only) could care less. Let the killing, and spying and non-transparency, and Obama prosecuting more "whistle blowers" than any president in history continue!
Who cares?
Our TEAM is winning! Yay!

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Slutboat

OK now this is a classic response - usually coming from a Republican who is embarrassed to admit it. The whole "Both Parties are just as bad" argument is just an absurd flight of fancy that holds no water.

Granted there are members of both Parties who are corrupt as fuck and we all know that Lobbyists hold too much sway with both sides of the isle. But if you think that Democrats are in the same league with racist, sexist, classist, elitist, homophobic, demogogic and fear mongering Republicans then you sir are one seriously misinformed motherfucker.

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Rochard

My point is you make every attempt to vilify Obama by bending the truth and cherry picking stats to back your non-sense.

One example is your quote about the price of gas. You've said time and time again that "When Obama took office gas was $1.86 a gallon". And this is very true. But this isn't because Bush did so well in office, but instead because the economy collapsed. Gas was at the highest price EVER while Bush was in office. You cherry picked a single stat and bent the truth, when the direct opposite was true.

You also argued that drilling permits were down under Obama. But that too was misleading, you cherry picked your stats, and in the end domestic oil production continues to rise.

Fifty percent of us believe in the Republican party. If you want to argue and debate that's fine, that's great - But don't quote political websites with a slant who and giving you half truths based on cherry picked stats. Research your facts from a non political source before you post such nonsense.

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DTK

You know what happens when you ASSume...you apparently didn't see my sig. Also, I haven't voted dem or rep in 20+ years

And you call me a seriously misinformed motherfucker
I agree that in terms of the racist, sexist etc part, yes, the repubs are playing the part of 'batshit crazy cop' (as opposed to bad cop), but for the most part, that's window dressing.

In terms of what I was talking about - both parties selling out this country to the highest bidder for decades - almost every member of congess/senate/president is bought and paid for by the huge money interests who got them elected and get them big money gigs after they leave office (aka The Revolving Door). It's not just a few of them, it's not just some of them, it's virtually all of them.

Try doing some unbiased homework, you'll see. And if you're at all intellectually honest, I believe you end up saying "Wow, I was one seriously misinformed motherfucker."

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DTK

Maybe so, but ya still gotta fight the good fight

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Vendzilla

Truth is they are way up and have been there for a long time, under Bush there was a spike and it went right back down, under Obama,it had stayed up.
Read all of it Richard, I said oil production is up, not because of Obama, but despite him, leases on public or federal land is way down, it's on private land that it is growing. He claimed during the debates it was up, like it was his doing, it wasn't!
Geez, that's it? You don't agree with it, so it's nonsense?
Hell Richard, in this thread alone, I told you two things you didn't even know about!

You didn't know that they are printing up 85 billion a month at the federal reserve

And you didn't know that in a congressional hearing the IRS agents said the orders came from the top to target conservative groups.

You really should read more

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think about that

Vendzilla

I wonder why I do this at all.

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think about that

tony286

its not Vend its the pundits he listens too. He parrots them back. All these guys have so much to say but during bush spending like a fiend not a fucking word. Also these people yelling liberal you don't know what a fucking liberal is because if you knew you would know obama is not a liberal he is gop lite like most of the democrats. Wanna look at a liberal look at Elizabeth Warren, obama aint fucking close. But its what they are told so they parrot it back.

tony286

once again maybe the pundits dont tell you how it works. oil goes to the highest bidder not where its pumped out of.

Rochard

Again, stop with the half truths. Gas didn't "spike" under Bush. It was a continuous increase.



There wasn't a "spike". Gas went up and up and up under Bush. In 2004 gas was $1.70. By 2006 it had nearly doubled.

(http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx)

And this is all you know how to do - you take a half truth and you spin it. "Oh, it was just a spike" while ignoring an eight year trend where gas continued to go up during the entire course of his two terms.

You just spin lies.

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DamianJ

derp derp derp

Rochard

With Vendzilla it's no longer about politics. It's more about him getting all of his information from one source that is obviously slanted and accepting it as fact - and he never checks anything. These are facts and figures that any thirteen year old can verify online quickly.

He just said that gas prices "under Bush there was a spike and it went right back down" which couldn't be any further from the truth. Yeah, gas prices down all right - as the economy came screeching to a halt! The truth is gas prices were low when Bush took office, and then doubled and quadrupled.

The problem is when you you follow politics too closely and you start to accept "your party's version" of everything as fact when it isn't. Both political parties spin their stories, which is there the term "spin" comes from. Vendzilla doesn't verify any of his facts, he just accepts them as truth.

I bet you most Americans are just like him - they believe their party's story as fact, and never check anything.

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directfiesta

Waiting for Vendzbama answer ....

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Rochard

So leases on public land is down, oil production is up, and your bitching about it WHY?

This is win win. We get to save our public land, and oil production is up. Everyone wins! (Oh, except for the Republican party. Who lost. Twice.)

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DTK

I only addressed your first point in my initial reply, but you made so many good points.

Overall, you're making a point about the tribal mentality of so many people, and you're spot on.

for example:
In 2006, there was a revelation that BushCo was doing wholesale warrantless spying on US citizens. The democratic "leadership" (and their dupes) were up in arms about this blatant abuse of the 4th amendment. In 2013, there was a revelation that ObabmaCo was doing wholesale warrantless spying on US citizens. The democratic "leadership" (and their dupes) collectively said "meh" about this blatant abuse of the 4th amendment.

It's just like you said Robbie, if "my" tribe does it..no big deal. If the other tribe does it, there's hell to pay.

It's such a tragic fuckin' joke, and this country is going straight down the shitter because of it.

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Just Alex

Tony's stupidity has this sign next to it.




I remember having few words with you at Atlanta forum. You didn't sound that fucking dumb.

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Rochard

That's the problem. The "other side" does something and it's horrible, but when "my side" does it there's not a problem. Bullshit.

This is why I don't vote any more. It's no longer about the government serving the people, it's about the party winning at all costs.

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DTK

Don't do that. If you don't vote, the tear-ists win. Just don't vote dem or rep

Agree on the first part, disagree on the second. While that's how it's presented in the lamestream media, that party shit is theater.

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Rochard

I can't remember the last time I voted or who I voted for; I think I voted for Bush.

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crockett

I'll tell you exactly why. In the past I was a registered democrat as a young adult and gladly voted for Bill Clinton. I later voted for AL Gore but honestly wasn't sure if he would be a good president, but I felt he was likely better than Bush.

Next it was John Kerry, I voted for him because it was clear to me that Bush needed to be removed from office. I didn't think kerry would be another Clinton but he was good enough.

However, my right to have my vote counted was stolen by Republican lawyers due to a supposed mix up on my voters registration. I had to use a provisional ballot and later was sent information stating my vote was thrown out along with thousands of others.

I was one of the victims of the great Florida election theft and yes it sure as hell was a theft.

From that day forward I decided that the reality is that no one persons vote really matters, therefore I was always vote aginst the Republicans just in spite because they don't deserve to be a political power in this country with an significant power.

After this experience I registered as a independent out of fear I'd once again become victim of voter fraud at the hands of Republicans in a red state.

It will be a happy day for me when that party dies it's long overdue death.

I will say I would have voted for Obama in both elections regardless however I feel he's really let this country down, specially this last term.

He did however do what I expected of him in his first which was to get us out of Iraq and refocus the war on terror. It's just a shame he fell for the same BS as Bush with the whole NSA nonsense.

At this time I would gladly consider a independent candidate or a democrat but I will never again vote republican. While I never voted for a republican president I did vote for other republicans for lower offices if I felt they were better. That ended with the theft of my vote.

Vendzilla

Reagan made the price of gas go down



That was a big factor in the fall of the USSR, less money for oil hurt their economy

LOL, Richard, how long has the gas prices hovered above the 3 dollar mark? Can you resad your own chart.
You know I brought a lot of stuff to this thread, you are sticking on something you brought to this thread from another thread, but ok, I'll play your game.


Take a look at your chart, the spike that went above the the $3 mark lasted 8 months.


Now look at the side under Barry.

It has been above the $3 mark for 28 months.


You do see the difference between 8 months and 28 months right?

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think about that

Vendzilla

Barry is doing everything to decrease oil production, yet lying taking credit for production being up.

You try to make this a us against them, I want a better country. I don't give a fuck about the gop vs the democrats

People keep trying to put me in a GOP guy, I really don't give a fuck about the parties.

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think about that

Vendzilla

Tony, seriously? When is the last time I quoted a Fox news source?
Been a long time, why?

Because people here blow it off when it's Fox, they list their news sources, yet still, no respect.

So this is like a game for me, I find sources that are not Fox that say the same things.

Unless it's a youtube video of a fox newcast with a democrat in it, saying what I'm trying to get across! LOL

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think about that

cspdinc

watching the right leaning people here ensures I will vote for for hillary even if she becomes a baby killer. The GOP is plain evil. its ruined america and its dam well on its way to making sure it ruins all of you too out of spite for losing.

Fuck the gop.
The party of no must go.

Rochard

Gas tripled under Bush, period.

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Rochard

Yet still oil production is up and yet still you bitch about it.

But every chance you get you turn this into "Obama is bad".

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Barefootsies

Supposedly Vendzilla gave up discussing politics on forums. I recall him saying this both publicly and privately a number of times that he was no longer doing this sort of thing as he had found it polarizing in some of his relationships, or something to that effect.

Yet, here is another political thread and he's locking horns like a champ.

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Vendzilla

It was still under $3 a gallon for most of his presidency, most of Barry's has been above

It takes time for a new lease issued by a president to start producing oil, with Barry dragging his heels on new leases, federal lands will produce less and less. We will end up turning to more and more to imported oil. We saw this happen under Carter, then rebound under Reagan. Clinton issued more leases than Barry.


Prove me wrong!

IRS admitting they targeted the present administrations foes and those agents testified in Congress that the orders came from Washington

NSA doing things that the Vice President has said is a wrong thing

85 billion dollars being printing up every month to prop up the stock market.

The unions are against the Obamacare law because they feel it will reduce the hours of their members

food stamps usage up 400% under Obama, not about the price, but the need for that many Americans to be under the food stamp program.

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think about that

Vendzilla

I'm bored

Just hate reading people posting shit that they can't back up

Oh Obamacare is going to save us all from high prices, BULLSHIT, even the unions don't like it and they pushed to get it passed and another item of Obamacare just got pushed back another year. I guess so Barry doesn't have to deal with it.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama...ry?id=19950052

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think about that

Rochard

The problem with Vendzilla is that he reads websites and news that are totally slanted in one direction and accepts them as fact without any verification.

A great example is the town that made firearm ownership a requirement. That's wonderful that Vendzilla believes in our 2nd amendment, but don't buy into the propaganda that the NRA spits out. That silly little town that the NRA writes about has a crime rate three to four times my home town - and my home town doesn't have a firearm requirement.

The gas prices is another example. Instead of accepting the fact that the price of gas rose three times under a Republican President (and an oil man at that), he wants to bitch about how gas has been over $3.50 for years and then wants to tell us about how gas went down twenty years ago under Reagan. The price of gas now is a direct reflection of the prior President allowing the price of gas to triple over his two terms, and what Reagan did twenty years is is completely irrelevant.

Vendzilla says "People keep trying to put me in a GOP guy, I really don't give a fuck about the parties" yet.... He somehow brought up Reagan, which is the best thing that ever happened to the Republican party.

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Rochard

The price of gas when Bush took office was $1.37... And your only argument is the average over his eight years was twice what the cost of gas was when he took office? That's pretty weak, isn't it?

Permits for one area is down, up for another. Domestic oil production is up. Yet you still bring this up like it's something bad.

Once again Brett...

Did the orders from Obamba? Nope.
Did the orders come from the White House? Nope.
Did the orders come from the Democrat party? Nope.

This is nothing more than the IRS doing it's job.

The NSA is obeying the Patriot Act, which was passed while Bush was president.

And?

Did you not see what just happened during the Bush Administration? The recession? You blame this on Obama, yet it was Bush who crashed our economy. This is not going to be fixed in ten years.

You are nothing but a broken record at this point.

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Vendzilla

Ok, you can't read a graph. I said it was $1.37 in an other thread, thanks for bringing it up and admitting I was RIGHT


If new permits are not issued, this will result in lower productions of domestic oil on federal land, he should be issuing more, but again, you brought this from another thread.

They admitted to targeting Conservative groups, what part of that don't you understand?

Obama said he would get rid of the Patriot Act, he renewed it twice, it's his now, Bush can't take it down.
Obama has had the office for 5 years, when will his be his presidency?

The country needs a leader, not an excuse!



Bush's first budget, written in 2001 ? seven years ago ? called runaway subprime lending by the government-sponsored enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac "a potential problem" and warned of "strong repercussions in financial markets."

In 2003, Bush's Treasury secretary, John Snow, proposed what the New York Times called "the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago." Did Democrats in Congress welcome it? Hardly.

"I do not think we are facing any kind of a crisis," declared Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., in a response typical of those who viewed Fannie and Freddie as a party patronage machine that the GOP was trying to dismantle. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," added Sen. Thomas Carper, D-Del.

Unfortunately, it was broke.

In November 2003, just two months after Frank's remarks, Bush's top economist, Gregory Mankiw, warned: "The enormous size of the mortgage-backed securities market means that any problems at the GSEs matter for the financial system as a whole." He too proposed reforms, and they too went nowhere.

In the next two years, a parade of White House officials traipsed to Capitol Hill, calling repeatedly for GSE reform. They were ignored. Even after several multibillion-dollar accounting errors by Fannie and Freddie, Congress put off reforms.

In 2005, Fed chief Alan Greenspan sounded the most serious warning of all: "We are placing the total financial system of the future at a substantial risk" by doing nothing, he said. When a bill later that year emerged from the Senate Banking Committee, it looked like something might finally be done.

Unfortunately, as economist Kevin Hassett of the American Enterprise Institute has noted, "the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter."

Had they done so, it's likely the mortgage meltdown wouldn't have occurred, or would have been of far less intensity. President Bush and the Republican Congress might be blamed for many things, but this isn't one of them. It was a Democratic debacle, from start to finish.

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think about that

Rochard

I can read a graph. When Bush took office, gas was $1.37. It continued to rise his entire two terms, tripling in the process. It topped out at $4.86 - and that, btw, is the nation wide average. It was a lot more here in California.

Saying "Gas was $1.46 when Obama took office and now it's $3" is misleading. Gas was $1.46 because Bush crashed our economy.

Yet you blame all of this on someone else.

Yet still oil production is up. Again, you talk about this like it's a bad thing when it's a good thing.

When the IRS sees a pattern of new groups that might have possible issues with tax fraud, they need to investigate further. These groups aren't being denied, they are getting a second look.

This seems to be rather common; They are doing this to ensure that political groups aren't hiding behind the IRS while violating tax laws.

This is the IRS doing it's job.

A leader who will get us into two wars with no end? Sure thing, that's exactly what we need.

Yet Bush failed to stop it. Shame on him.

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Vendzilla

It's $3 a gallon? Where? I need to fill up my pickup


the IRS admitted to targeting conservative groups, is it the job of the IRS to target specific groups? NO

Now you are bringing in the wars? I didn't say anything here about this except how Barry is using drones times more than Bush did

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aSKSoiNbnQY0

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Barefootsies

You need a more productive hobby sport. Discussing politics on GFY is like screaming at a brick wall.

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Vendzilla

LOL, yeah taking a break. Mounting a TV in the Garage so I watch TV during my work out.
Then putting up shelves in my office.

I don't spend a lot of time on this, it is a good work out on my search skills and last 6 years is when I got into discussing politics, didn't really care before that.

My latest hobby is my Harley. Rode to a cigar shop last night, had a really nice smoke room in the back, friend of my GF owns the place.

I post mainly what I find on the net that isn't opinion, but based on fact, the more I find out, the more it pisses me off.

I'll check this thread later tonight

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Rochard

Is is the job of the IRS to investigate all organizations that have the potential to violate tax laws. This includes lots of charities as well.

It's their job, and this doesn't seem to have been politically motivated at all. No one was improperly denied anything.

So when a Republican president does it, it's okay, but when a Democrat does it suddenly it's bad?

"When my party does something it's okay, but when the other side does the same thing it's bad". Bullshit.

Did you complain about drone attacks under Bush? If not, you have no room to complain.

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2MuchMark

I didn't call them (Tea Partyers) all Crazy. The ones who make the news are crazy probably but i wouldn't say all of them are crazy.

Sorry man you've got it wrong. Printing money doesn't push up the stock market. The Fed can influence the money supply by changing the reserve requirements (Amount of funds held by banks against deposits). When they do this, banks can lend more money to increase the overall supply of money in the economy. They can also change interest rates. Lowering the interest rates stimulates the economy of course.



But see, thats the thing. You guys are so much better off now. When Clinton left, he left you with a surplus of cash. When Bush came in, he dropped taxes AND started 2 wars at the same time. In the past, a present raised taxes to support the cost of a war. Bush's 1-2 punch is what put you guys into serious debt.

As an outsider who sees the big picture, Obama is one of the best presidents you guys have ever had. Not perfect, and he seems kind useless at times when trying to get bills past, but he's doing alot to get you guys back on track.

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2MuchMark

Lol. This is a discussion, Baddog. If you can't keep up, get out of the way.

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Robbie

Mark you really don't know what you're talking about. Every financial channel on television has economists saying that YES the stock market is artificially high because of the Fed printing money.

I'm reading these things on GFY and it becomes increasingly apparent that there is a lot of misinformation amongst people.

If this were 20 years ago I could understand. But Google is right there to look up and find answers to all these things that are being debated here.

And by the way...let me throw some more gas on the fire.

NBC (very liberal news organization) is now FINALLY reporting the EXACT problems with ObamaCare that liberals have been saying were Republicans lying about.

One of the reports they recently did was on a guy who owns several SUBWAY franchises. He had to cut all of his employees hours down to 29 hours a week. He flat out says that it would destroy his small business if he had to pay for insurance for all his employees.

The result is that all of his employees just lost a big portion of their incomes.

Another of the reports from NBC profiled the recent cut in hours for 250 part time college professors in St. Petersburg, Fla.
They interviewed one college math professor who got the bad news via an email.
She said her income has just been cut in HALF and she is "devastated".

Funny thing is she's probably a hard core Democrat (as most college profs are). So she actually said this: "I had no idea that this would impact MY job"

LOL!

That's because she probably only watches MSNBC all along and didn't believe when Republicans were screaming about job loss due to ObamaCare.
A Professor...and she did NOT know what was coming because she is misinformed and lied to.

In other news....Congress passed a "subsidy" for their Health Care that will pay 75% of any cost that ObamaCare will bring to them (because Obama has insisted that Congress use it too). But now they have that "subsidy" that us "regular" people do NOT have. And it applies to all Congress and Senate and all of their staff.

Isn't that special?

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Robbie

That's cute!

Just ignore everything! Your "team" is winning man! Yay TEAM!!!!

Spy on us! YAY!!!!

Drones killing people worldwide! YAY!!!

ObamaCare killing jobs AND raising insurance rates (there is talk that in California it will raise them by ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!!!) YAY!!!

IRS targeting people who disgree with the current administration. YAY!!!

GO TEAM! GO!!!! KILL ALL THOSE REPUBLICANS!!!

WE ARE THE DEMOCRATS!!! YAY!!!

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