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Old 03-08-2011, 02:34 AM   #451
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450 people who know there is no way Paul is EVER going to make this film.

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Gotta love Robbie!
He is an interesting character. WHen he had his mullet, and his jericurls, he was all

"Fuck you, douchebag, you're so fucking retarded, I am brilliant, you are fucking shit"

Along with the amusing rants about claudemary being the most successful bit tit milf in the world. Ever.

Now, he's had the mullet removed, and he is all:

"I read your point, I make a counterpoint that is unrelated to your original point and now I put you on ignore"

It's like the slow kid at school is running up to someone successful and shouting "POO POO HEAD" at them, then running to the sandpit and sticking his head in it.

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Yes I did as well. He has moved the goal posts so many times it was inevitable. He now expects me to shoot it and wait for their approval to see if I get paid.
Read before you post. I know you are old and confused and really stupid, but take a breath grandpa.

On page 9 Fabien already agreed to prepay you, you fuckstick.

So now you have NO excuse at all!

(But we all know you will just lie, there is no way, at all, this will be made, but well done for 10 pages of nonsense).
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Paul, seriously.. as I said, I am pre-paying... no issue at all..

Also, I do not understand why to ME you say in an email you will read the contract "tomorrow" (that was yesterday) but here you come and post how its all unfair and evil and we will never pay you... jeez seriously paul...

As I said, pre-payment is not an issue at all, you will get a new contract today. I also got scene info for you, but I think the scene they picked does not fit, so I will talk to them again today, I do not want to set you up to fail... I want to see your far superior shooting...

Look, its simple.. IF you are correct, and your style content would be BETTER and the USERS actually agree, I would be the LAST ONE not to just hire you. I will make more money... its as simple as that.. but for this to happen, I need proof....
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Damn Paul!! One of the most impressive reviews I have ever read. You were dead on with what you pointed out. You really need to know your shit to point out what you pointed out. Very, Very impressive.
Thank you. Being old doesn't mean you forget everything you learnt over the years.

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I looked at the camera work and i defiantly with out a doubt know who shot that scene. The moves way give it away. This director does not edit and will not listen to anybody about anything when it comes to making technical changes that will up his content quality. This particular shooter is a technical retard and will not listen to anybody, because he already knows it all. Im guessing he fears loosing his job when his technical short comings come to light.
Then Manwin are at fault using him. He's below par.

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The stills are shot by somebody else entirely and are seriously rushed because the director is yelling at everyone to hurry up,because he wants to get out of there before 4pm. That is way evident by the inconsistency of the stills. The strobes are not recharged when the photog fires the next shot. That i know is a fact.
Then shows that below par people are shooting porn for Manwin.

The shooter should shoot the stills and video. This way builds up a relationship between the model and shooter on the stills set. There should be no distractions for them both to work. Don't they use a power pack on the strobes?

As for getting out by 4pm. Why? Once you start squeezing shoots into a time frame you lose quality. someone said it can be done in half a day. Yes it can be done like this in half a day. Done well takes longer.

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I know the Photographer personally, but i do know the director. I know if the photographer had more time on the stills, the stills would be way, way better. 2k stills and get them done in 20 min. is not fair to the photographer and to the company paying for the scene.
He could still put in more poses and not make mistakes like hiding the girl doing a "pink". But without blaming them I blame Manwin for using this content. My site proves without a shadow of doubt I can out shoot both of these guys.

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You were right about him using the onboard mic. He wont use a boom because he is way far from technical as they get and he will claim it will restrict his quick movement and scene flow.


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Furthermore this particular director has a serious reputation for yelling at talent and stressing everyone out on set when he is in a bad mood. That seems to be everyday from what I hear. Thats what is with the uncomfortable look on the girls face. Im not going to name him, but his initials are TT. (I bet i get a scathing call later in the week because of my honesty)
Not the TT? Shit that guy should know far better. Ultimately Manwin are to blame for using him.

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From what I understand MOFOS is more of an amateur site. Shot with little lighting(on purpose) and has more of a raw feel to it.
That's no whenre near Amatuer niche. Miles away.
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Paul, I think that you happened to pic the worst scene shot by, IMHO, the least skilled shooter. To Brazzers defense, i think that is the look that MOFOS wants for that network. A Pro Am look and feel is the look that MOFOS is looking for.
I saw worse on Brazzers. Pro Am always meant, to me, pro shooter amateur model. This is pro model amateur shooter. Not great. What do members think of it?

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You need to see some of the stuff that Bret Brando shoots. That is the stuff that is on the Brazzers flagship site. The sound is good, the lighting is on point, the stories are entertaining and i know that Brando is always on point.
Is his content flagged with his name?
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The shooters that care and that are on point when they shoot will have an external mic on the camera with a shock mount going into channel one and a boom arm mic that is positioned 3 feet over the set, cabled in to channel two. Why??? Shooters that are editors and editors know why.
Yes had this when I was shooting amateur for Astral Blue.

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"Over all," i still think that Brazzers "as a whole" has the best content quality on the net. With RK at close 2nd in content quality. RK's edge is the new unseen girl factor.
Then that reflects badly for the rest of the industry. I have seen inside a lot of site and yes, Brazzers is in front of many online only sites. Which says something bad about the rest.

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I do edit my own scenes, I see my past mistakes and i have learned from them. After reading your review and seeing that your eye is on technical point and knowing that you do understand what is expected from you, I truly feel that you will knock this scene out of the park. Shit, you might end up being the next Brazzers contract guy.
Editing your own work is essential to learn from mistakes. We all make them, seeing what is dumped in the editors lap teaches a person to not do it again. Goes for video and stills. The editing of this scene was sloppy at best. Is the editor a bad guy as well?

I would never of lasted producing content like this and with respect to the shooter and editor they wouldn't of lasted either. It's only online that they do. Is the customer so forgiving when he spent his money?

I doubt it.

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Paul; you and I may disagree on things from time to time, but i do respect you and all of your accomplishments in adult. I will be cheering for you on this next shoot,

Good luck
Thanks, will wait for the new contract.
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Paul, seriously.. as I said, I am pre-paying... no issue at all..

Also, I do not understand why to ME you say in an email you will read the contract "tomorrow" (that was yesterday) but here you come and post how its all unfair and evil and we will never pay you... jeez seriously paul...

As I said, pre-payment is not an issue at all, you will get a new contract today. I also got scene info for you, but I think the scene they picked does not fit, so I will talk to them again today, I do not want to set you up to fail... I want to see your far superior shooting...

Look, its simple.. IF you are correct, and your style content would be BETTER and the USERS actually agree, I would be the LAST ONE not to just hire you. I will make more money... its as simple as that.. but for this to happen, I need proof....
I read it this morning. And have other issues with it. Will email you.

Will you hire me at $3,000 a scene?

The mistakes in the content loaded onto the Mofos site are obvious, the editing is sloppy. The stills shooting is crap, the video shooting is crap. You use a below par team to shoot content you want to satisfy members with.

However Manwin's content is pretty good for online only companies. I blame the actual trend of companies loading sites with below par content. Which has done as much harm to this business as Tubes and piracy. The below par content made customers far harder to sell to and made memberships shorter.

I will post later how I think solo girl scenes should be shot.

Whether I'm physically capable of shooting today is the only issue. Getting hold of the latest equipment doesn't show a shooters skills. The reviewed scene I assume was shot with good equipment, but still fucked it up. The best job I could do is tutor shooters and editors. That way physical and equipment doesn't enter the equation. What's in my head is clearly demonstrated.

These faults by the whole industry are one of the main reasons why so many now go for Amateur content. They're sick of watching pro models badly fake their way through a scene while being shot by below par shooters and badly edited. They above all want reality, in Playboy end or Homegrown end.

And they don't want to have their ears blown out by a models heels banging on the floor. That will lead to canceled memberships.

I'm going to eat.
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Paul,

I would appreciate if you would at some point at least start showing some respect. At some point, I will stop being nice and friendly to you too...

I honestly do not care if you think my whole team are a bunch of idiots and know nothing at all.. My team makes me more money in a day, than you make in a year.

That being said, there is a purpose of having "bad" looking videos on the mofos sites.. they have to have mistakes to look more real. They are supposed to look a bit more home-made... The stills, I agree, are not good. The reason though is simple, as I said in the past, its not a focus, at all, to make them good. Its not the point. They are made primarily for ad production and are good enough for that. We just load them all on the site since more is better on a website, compared to a magazine where each pic needs to be perfect.

I have said time and time again that we will pay you 3000 USD for the scene. And I have said again that we will pre-pay. This is the first contract draft, give me your comments and I'll look into it.

I might take you up on yout tutoring idea.. who knows... Mofos is amateur btw, its NOT brazzers, which is shot completely different.

Mofos is shot with hand held HD cams, Brazzers uses more professional equipment and lighting.

Again, as I said, if we your changes to Mofos videos increase retention even more, I'm the last one to complain. But that is still to be proven... Mofos performance already is very very good.
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I would appreciate if you would at some point at least start showing some respect. At some point, I will stop being nice and friendly to you too...
You took up this challenge to see me fail, you tried to trick me into shooting 3 scenes, you sent me the contract and no indication of a draft.

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And by having better guys, they would make you more.

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That being said, there is a purpose of having "bad" looking videos on the mofos sites.. they have to have mistakes to look more real. They are supposed to look a bit more home-made... The stills, I agree, are not good. The reason though is simple, as I said in the past, its not a focus, at all, to make them good. Its not the point. They are made primarily for ad production and are good enough for that. We just load them all on the site since more is better on a website, compared to a magazine where each pic needs to be perfect.
So a website can get away with bad content. I wonder if members agree with you. Don't tell me what you do now, it's about what you could be doing. You and so many other sites. Some seem to think once the member has signed up the hard work is over. We know where the main cost goes. In truth to retain members and get them to return, to earn even more money, the job is now to be done inside the site.

I will review more scenes later. There is nothing "Home Made" about those 2 scenes.

Yes magazines demanded a far higher standard.

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I have said time and time again that we will pay you 3000 USD for the scene. And I have said again that we will pre-pay. This is the first contract draft, give me your comments and I'll look into it.
Not what the contract sent said.

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I might take you up on yout tutoring idea.. who knows... Mofos is amateur btw, its NOT brazzers, which is shot completely different.

Mofos is shot with hand held HD cams, Brazzers uses more professional equipment and lighting.
Mofos isn't amateur. Having good lighting and cameras doesn't make a professional film.

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Again, as I said, if we your changes to Mofos videos increase retention even more, I'm the last one to complain. But that is still to be proven... Mofos performance already is very very good.
It can't be improved by someone coming in and shaking up the team?

Was the editing meant to be amateur as well?

I don't see you showing me any respect. And my respect is earned not bought. I have said Manwin's content looks better than many, if not most online. but that's my point. It's not just Manwin's site putting out low quality content shot on high quality cameras. It's the general trend. For the reasons I stated at the beginning of this thread.

Ultimately it's not what anyone here thinks of content. It's what the end buyer thinks. The members. Saying it's good enough isn't good enough for them.
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Saying it's good enough isn't good enough for them.
It is if they keep paying. What does it matter as long as you get the cash.

I can't see many people mid-wank putting their cocks down in disgust saying "I HEARD HER FUCKING STILETTO SHOE ON THE FLOOR FFS".
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Paul, stop claiming I am even remotely trying to trick you! I keep telling you your requested changes are fine.. Hardly tricking you.

The contract is simply there to define our relationship and the 3000 usd and such is then done based on invoicing an order from us to you... The only change needed is pre payment, this contract does not cause you to have to deliver anything, it simply defines what happens IF you deliver something and what insuch a case you have to provide us with...
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Page 10??? Really??

Who gets 10 pages on GFY now a days? Contest threads don't even get 10 pages.


Maybe Nathan should hire Paul for web marketing or as an affiliate manager..
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Yes you should. This one is really good. Its a roller coaster ride of entertainment.


Some would say its a story of good vs Evil or the past vs. the present. Either way it will be a good read.
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Is this nearer to happening now or further away than ever?
It's in motion.

Need the script, get the contract agreeable to both of us and the money to me. Then I'm off to see some friends regarding models who will be suitable and locations.

Going to England for a few days Friday to see family. Haven't seen them in a very long time, not I'm off the bottled food I can fly.

So nothing is likely to happen for a few weeks. Not got anything in line like we used to have, then we could shoot at a moments notice. Now it's tougher. But it will get done, I will do my best and I will get taken apart by the trolls.

And I will not care. It's what I think of it that counts.

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Some things never change. You can always rely on top marketing man like Damian to come up and put his foot in his mouth.

What if they only stay 2 months when 25% would of stayed 3 months? What if only 10% come back to rejoin when 15% would of? Numbers are to show the example.

Try to steer clear of making too many posts like that one.

On second thoughts, keep going. Great point.

I'm looking at the set of the 3 girl scene now, anyone want to see a review?
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Wouldn't know where to start. As a content manager with the task of improving content is my field now.

Even the "New" styles employ the same basic techniques we had to learn. Adjusting to them is not a problem. My only unsure area is models and mostly US models. How pliable are they today. It seems to me many come in to do a mundane job, get it over with and churn out a performance that required little of them.

Maybe I was spoilt working in UK and CZ. These girls generally didn't mind putting part of themselves into their work.
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Shooting solo girl.

These tips can be employed to what ever style or level with some adjustment.

Meeting a model prior to the shoot on a casting is a great way to start the relationship. It allows the shooter to impress the model that he knows what he's doing and gives her the chance to learn about the work and how he works. It's also an excellent way of the shooter seeing which girls are suitable for his work and him.

And avoids any embarrassment when the girl sent THE ONLY decent picture she has, taken prior to the lions head tattoo covering her back. Yes it has happened.

Not always possible but great if it is. Always get models to confirm they are coming a day before the shoot.

On the shoot day the shooter greets the model and while the crew, or not, is working they can sit down and chat and build a bridge. The shooter can again explain what is happening today. Get her too turn off her mobile, phone calls form boyfriends can screw a good day up. For many reasons.

Then she's off to make up, dressing and the shooter is off to set or check his lights and equipment. Model turns up and all is ready. Make sure your phone is switched off or in a place it won't be heard.

The set is closed from here on in. Only the shooter and maybe assistant/assistants are allowed in. Or allowed to move, murmur, talk or make a noise. The fewer distractions the better. The shooter needs to build a bridge between him and the model, so she's working with him and not just striking poses into the lens.

On shooting stills on all but amateur it's helpful to show the model you know what you're doing to put her right on a few poses, maybe move her leg over, move her arm in, arch her back more, throw her shoulders back a little. All to get her confident you're not just clicking a camera and know what you want.

Girls who need a bit of confidence give it to them, maybe a compliment on her work, or even a compliment on her body. It's not sexual harassment. It's a porn shoot not an audition for a church choir, you're about to ask her to stick a dildo in her pussy and/or ass. If it helps the model it's allowed. Newbies be very careful of this. She must never think you have an ulterior motive.

Communicate, lead and follow. Shoot in a progression that you want the video to go in. Make the girl shine as herself and not just another girl pulling her panties down for the money. They're all doing it for money, the trick is to show they're doing it for other reasons than to get paid.

Finish, give the girl a dressing gown, thank her, have a break and change lights while model gets a drink, touches up her make up and redresses.

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All pussies and asses look the same. Some scenes the only difference is the color of the dildo being rammed in. Tits do vary but not enough. It's just meat on a slab.

What makes the scene different is the girls looks, character and personality as she rams in the dildo. Or gets undressed. For Amateur, Gonzo and teen videos this is essential, or it's just another piece of meat laid out.

This technique has to be adjusted to fit the girl, some attractive girls are over confident, been hit on too many times and then it's the technique used in higher end content shoots. All people are different they require different handling and a good shooter knows how to adjust this method to suit the model.

The only way I've ever known to get a girl to bring something of herself to a shoot is to get her to do it for herself and me. I'm flesh and blood a camera is metal, glass, chips and plastic. So the bridge building before comes into it's own. In the ideal shoot she's working to get the shooter to lay her. Because if he keeps his act together and the camera pointed in the right direction he captures it all on the lens and chip. For the viewer to enjoy afterwards. OK most of the time she's just easing him and that's fine. That's the easiest way to produce a great product.

She's sticking her ass in the air a little higher to please him, she's playing with herself to get his reactions and the whole thing is working like Amateur, yet in a professional style. It's not easy to achieve, some shooters can't do it. But the best can. That's what really separates them from a guy pointing a camera.

With the higher styles of porn it's essential to impress the girl with an attention to detail, knowledge and skill. So the girl is working to impress him in a different way. She's still working for his attention.

When she speaks she speaks as herself, the best thing is to tell her the context she should talk in, but let her make it her words. Then each girl starts to act a little different. If the shooter is teaching her parrot fashion it starts to get repetitive and the girl has little feeling in what she's saying. Yes some girls find it hard to talk in front of the camera. Get her to talk to you while the camera is over your face.

And that brings us another point. If you're looking through the screen on the side you might have it away from your face. The girl will look at your face and it looks like she's looking off camera. Very off putting for the viewer.

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This barely scratches the surface of what it takes to shoot good solo girl content.

Each girl is very different, some need compliments about their tits or ass or legs, some have crooked teeth and won't open their mouths. Some turn up with bad discharge, warts or herpes on their pussies, not cleaned their asses properly, not douched out properly, get a period (even though she swears it's not due!!!), get PMT. Turn up with razor burn and blood spots where they shaved or even slashed their wrists since the casting. All has to be handle. Sometimes with fixing the problem and sometimes with sending them home, even if it requires taking them to the station, Send them home and take the day off.

Thankfully most turn up willing to work and listen, if you do it right. Some even turn up determined to have a good day. Even had a girl turn up determined to get laid. But enough about Eva.

The one ruling factor is get the work done and make sure the girl is happy and wants to work for YOU again.
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Paul how hard is to shoot this style? I mean xgf style...all you need is cheap camera or iphone 4
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You can just see the rapport he built up oozing out of the girl. So comfortable. So real. Amazing. If this is what 3k gets you I bet people will be lining up to get Paul's input on all types of projects.
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Paul how hard is to shoot this style? I mean xgf style...all you need is cheap camera or iphone 4
Very hard. The shooter whose a stranger is trying to get the girl to act like he's her boyfriend. If it's as if a BF is shooting it. If she's pointing th camera at a mirror or got it on a tripod she has to act as if it's for her BF.

Yes trolls, getting a girl to shoot solo girl isn't as easy as point and shoot. No mater if another girl is shooting her. Which I why I can never understand why people scream ot "Shoot a solo girl site of her."

We shot Grace and her stills sales were fantastic. Yet on video she sucked unless mixed in with other girls. Yet people shot solo girl sites of her.



If we were relying on video sales she wouldn't of made us as much money. Like the girl in the Tube8 video. But you can't expect trolls to realise that.
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Back to the thread topic, don't know if its harder to shoot, but sure seems harder to negotiate a deal....haha
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Do you really take that seriously? They are an AFFILIATE. Period.

Sometimes I have to wonder what some people are thinking. A lot of you act like marks and are always being worked. A few of you understand the game.

You are supposed to be IN this business. Anybody actually in this business who believes a "review site" is an actual "review site" like "Consumer Reports", is a mark. Plain and simple.

Whomever wrote those "reviews" is no more and no less qualified to "grade" a website than any asshole off the street. Most times they are LESS qualified because they aren't a fan of and don't understand the niche in front of them.

People, start acting like you are in this business and stop acting like fans/customers.
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Do you really take that seriously? They are an AFFILIATE. Period.

Sometimes I have to wonder what some people are thinking. A lot of you act like marks and are always being worked. A few of you understand the game.

You are supposed to be IN this business. Anybody actually in this business who believes a "review site" is an actual "review site" like "Consumer Reports", is a mark. Plain and simple.

Whomever wrote those "reviews" is no more and no less qualified to "grade" a website than any asshole off the street. Most times they are LESS qualified because they aren't a fan of and don't understand the niche in front of them.

People, start acting like you are in this business and stop acting like fans/customers.
I don't know Paul so nothing against him, but the statement above should be immortalized.
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Well, I was pretty impressed with Paul's revelations on the quality of their current video. I prefer shooting stills over video, but you can bet I don't produce video like he described. Maybe these guys should farm out their scenes to a variety of shooters and let the members decide who shoots best. On-camera mic, out of focus, people walking and talking in the background – just amazing. I think I would like a piece of that production pie. Paul should get the $3000 just for the critique.

And what is with the 30min video? Are you serious? Thirty minutes of a girl masturbating, her pussy will go dry, the performance will go flat and boring, she will get scabs on her pussy and her hand will get stiff and you will have a claim on your hands for carpel tunnel syndrome and the viewer will fall asleep. What about 300 stills? I see these still sets, 20 pics of the same pose, more pics of the girl moving her little finger three inches. There seems to be an irrational desire to get a high picture count out of the shooter. But of 300 pics the member will only look at fifty, maybe less, so what is the point?

I have no idea what the shoot specs and payment is, it changed so many times I gave up. At one point it looked like he wanted three thirty minute videos on three different sets (backgrounds) with three hundred stills for each set/video. It just waffled all over the place. I still don't know what he wants. He may be demanding too much trying to stretch his budget but look at what he is getting. Then he later says they only need a few pics, not the 25 or so needed for magazine. Is he in charge of content or some other function of the business? It got so crazy I thought maybe the whole thread was a spoof.

Incidents happen unexpectedly to all of us when we are shooting, tripping over something, unexpected noises, etc. Once I had the girl remove a toy from a drawer and as she shut the drawer it made a sound as it shut like a shotgun. In real life it would not sound like that, but that is how it sounded to the mic. Phone rings, someone comes to the door, and on and on.

I think Paul should get a handsome consultation fee, forget the shoot, the guy doesn't know what he wants and when you finish there will be a big dispute over what he wanted, and we will all read about it here on gfy.
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Since it is taking so long, maybe we could setup a mail list for who wants to be notified when this set is shot finally?
And I believe if it is made, it will become the most torrent and rapidshare pirated video by GFY users, after the middle men movie of course.

On a side note, I would be curious how Paul Markham would be as cam studio guy, since he's so much into solo girls which is what cams is about. Some content producers became cam studios - I invested myself in 2004 in a siberian one (buy fast internet, more pc's and cams etc.). Shows lacked the keyboard chat from girls as most was unable to type fast or understand any english, knew how to pose so the video was very good and I got back investment quickly. Girls was several and photo model material and needing stable monthly income, I wonder if Paul would find and retain hired such kind and amount of girls to do a studio. For a cam studio is needed good lighting and prepare all like recorded content, plus some other things related to chat and live - also, usually the cam sits on a tripod or is the model to move with a remote controlling a pan tilt - but we could have cameraman there, Markham live, in place of motorized pan tilt?
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All the reviews I've seen were about image quality, quantity, navigation and nothing about the power of the actual content to give the guy an erection. But that only reflects the industries priorities. Manwin's content is by no means the worse I've seen, in fact it's better than most.

My point is, with their money and resources it could be so much better. If by making less content yet more outstanding content it doesn't lengthen retention, then we might as well all give up and plan for our next career. Because customers will realise more and more the stuff on free sites is no worse than what they pay for.

Still the issue of piracy and free content, whether this industry would of survived that is questionable. But while it still does survive, remember. The best survive longer.
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Well, I was pretty impressed with Paul's revelations on the quality of their current video. I prefer shooting stills over video, but you can bet I don't produce video like he described. Maybe these guys should farm out their scenes to a variety of shooters and let the members decide who shoots best. On-camera mic, out of focus, people walking and talking in the background ? just amazing. I think I would like a piece of that production pie. Paul should get the $3000 just for the critique.
Definitely the ax should swing on anyone who doesn't produce a good job. Toilet cleaner or anyone.

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And what is with the 30min video? Are you serious? Thirty minutes of a girl masturbating, her pussy will go dry, the performance will go flat and boring, she will get scabs on her pussy and her hand will get stiff and you will have a claim on your hands for carpel tunnel syndrome and the viewer will fall asleep. What about 300 stills? I see these still sets, 20 pics of the same pose, more pics of the girl moving her little finger three inches. There seems to be an irrational desire to get a high picture count out of the shooter. But of 300 pics the member will only look at fifty, maybe less, so what is the point?
Very few girls are good enough, interesting enough or skilled enough to stretch out a solo girl video to 30 minutes. Some girls will climax after 15 minutes and all the wind is gone from their sails. So do we shoot another 15 minutes and make a good scene into a boring scene or cut and go for a cup of tea?

As for stills, I can shoot 300 stills and make them all different. Tough job, but can be done. So will write how I dis it. But a set of 300 is mega boring to watch on a slide show. But again both video and stills is the trend of the Internet. Quantity over quality.

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Incidents happen unexpectedly to all of us when we are shooting, tripping over something, unexpected noises, etc. Once I had the girl remove a toy from a drawer and as she shut the drawer it made a sound as it shut like a shotgun. In real life it would not sound like that, but that is how it sounded to the mic. Phone rings, someone comes to the door, and on and on.
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The trolls will weigh in. I'm doing this now for my satisfaction. Whether anyone has the idea of getting me is as a consultant and will listen to my blunt advice is a different matter.
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Ezgirl,

I am not in charge of content. Obviously.

I negotiated with Paul what he can do for the 3000. We usually pay 2000 for 3 scenes shot on one day. The end product is 20 minutes per scene, getting a bit more ie 30 minutes just helps editing. Also, our scenes, just like a brazzers scene, has an introductory part with a somewhat story to it. Less with SAF than other sites, but it's still there. So it hardly is 30 minutes masturbation...

I am doing this because I genuinely want to see if content with the quality Paul claims will perform better on the site for retention and rejoins.
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How to shoot 300 stills and make sure everyone is different.


There are 26 basic solo poses. Shoot them with the model dressed, undressing and naked will treble the number of shots to 78. Making her turn 45 degrees to the left or right for each of them will double it again 156. Shooting her looking at the camera and away will add another 20 shots. Shooting some with half body will add more. Shooting close ups of the face, pussy tits more. The shooter moving from side to side of his key lights will change the back ground and add more. Then there's holding her tits, "pink" fingers, vibrator insertion In fact shooting a set of 300 different poses/images is easy if you know how. And the limit of your imagination.





Here are a few poses and as you can see they can all be varied.

How to do it is simple.

Buy some mags, because as Fabian says they need to get each pose right and a website doesn't. Sort out all the basic poses in variations and put them into a display folder. Something like this with plastic A4 pages in so you can turn the pages as you shoot and it will remind you of the pose.



We had 6 different types of folders to cover all the styles we shot. Solo Teens, leg, glamor, ass, lesbian, BG.

Makes life a little easier. You can even show it to the girls who can't get it right. And shows you know what you're talking about.

Then when you shoot the video she and you know what positions you want.
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All the reviews I've seen were about image quality, quantity, navigation and nothing about the power of the actual content to give the guy an erection. .
My point is that the difference between what is being done by youself and others is minimal. They shoot 300 pics you shoot a hundred...

They leave the clunks in their video, you don't....

You want to teach others but only to be better amatuers. Where is the real ambition to do something really creative imaginative and erotic ?

Magazines as I said before had high profits....did they develop cutting edge artistic photography ? No it was tecnically ok for the print process but as photography it was dull.

I think it is quite interesting what will happen in this industry, as cameras and post prodution is getting better and better, and the internet has made the erotic de facto legal, will it evolve into a real erotic art form moving into the mainsteam of culture....

In spite of all the moaning about sales, erotic material is an area where people are prepared to get their CC out. Try selling a polical documentary on the net !
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My point is that the difference between what is being done by youself and others is minimal. They shoot 300 pics you shoot a hundred...

They leave the clunks in their video, you don't....

You want to teach others but only to be better amatuers. Where is the real ambition to do something really creative imaginative and erotic ?

Magazines as I said before had high profits....did they develop cutting edge artistic photography ? No it was tecnically ok for the print process but as photography it was dull.

I think it is quite interesting what will happen in this industry, as cameras and post prodution is getting better and better, and the internet has made the erotic de facto legal, will it evolve into a real erotic art form moving into the mainsteam of culture....

In spite of all the moaning about sales, erotic material is an area where people are prepared to get their CC out. Try selling a polical documentary on the net !
The difference isn't minimal and nothing to do about numbers or clunks.

The idea that bad shooters can do something really creative imaginative and erotic is also faulty. They need to learn to shoot good porn first.

To do something really creative imaginative and erotic takes money, skill experience and a budget. Otherwise everyone else will go down the same road and make the creating it pointless. BangBus got a huge head start because they were out there on their own Today there would be 100 imitators duplicating what they do.

There are 2 sites, to my knowledge who did or still do something different. Perfect Gonzo and Party Hardcore. Not limited budget content. Perfect Gonzo was shot by a very skilled guy and to duplicate it no one was prepared to pay the price it took. Party Hardcore spend a lot of money to set up a shoot. No one else, to my knowledge is prepared to spend that money.

I can come up with ideas that are a little different, maybe even something really creative imaginative and erotic. the problem is they will cost money to shoot, need good shooters and good models. Without the first they won't get off the ground, without the second and third if they didn't have them they wouldn't sell.

Having an idea is the easy part, executing it and getting it right for porn is a lot harder than having the right equipment. Buying equipment today is easy. Using it is easy, so why do people get it wrong?

Lack of skill and that can't be bought cheap. There are people with the skill working in porn or use to. They want more than the Internet is prepared to pay.

Now the debate could be, is it profitable to produce it for the Internet only or even in 2011?

And I've never really described myself as a photographer or video-grapher. Just a guy who uses cameras in the course of his job. Pornography.
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Fabian, you are a reasonable man... can you reasonably understand how BLUE-BALLED I feel on this "script" issue??? You keep saying you're going to post it and then the sunrise comes and then it sets and still no script!!!!!

Am I being une ignoramous??? Have you already posted it and I just missed it???
If there will be no script, will there be a treatment? Or like a 1-paragraph description of the story Paul's supposed to follow? Whatever you know about the story (or stories) for Paul's scene(s), please post here! Even if all you know about the story is one sentence, one phrase, or even one word!!!!

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From what I can see you are not bring much to the table...

The models do all the work, and the "program makers" seem to add very little, just record in an amateur way the action.

Frankly Bankbus, your site and all he others mentioned are 99% the same....

It is not money that is missing its thought.

For example, instead of using the lights to flat light everything, try lighting the scene to a mood...there you go no change in cost but something different.

How about different lenses? maybe shoot it all on a long lens? from POV of a Voyer...

Imagination does not cost money.

So when you want you push the "I am a photographer" and as soon as that is challenged you say "I am just a pornographer"

There is a Czech film "Closely Observed Trains" Directed by Jiri Menzel from 1967 it has scene in it hotter that 95% of the porn today. (Best Foreign Film !)



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Frankly Bankbus, your site and all he others mentioned are 99% the same...

Damn, I wish Bang didn't have Bankbus forwarding to their site... I would have registered it and started a site about some robber-dudez that drive a bus around and when they see a bank they want to rob they just drive the bus INTO the bank through the front door/glass (like when that school bus backs into the bank in Dark Knight at the beginning, but these guys would drive the bus in head first). While they are robbing the bank, they seduce the female bank tellers and customers into big orgies (these are especially good-looking, suave bank robbers). Anyone from Bangbros here? Care to sell me the url for under $300?
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From what I can see you are not bring much to the table...

The models do all the work, and the "program makers" seem to add very little, just record in an amateur way the action.

Frankly Bankbus, your site and all he others mentioned are 99% the same....

It is not money that is missing its thought.

For example, instead of using the lights to flat light everything, try lighting the scene to a mood...there you go no change in cost but something different.

How about different lenses? maybe shoot it all on a long lens? from POV of a Voyer...

Imagination does not cost money.

So when you want you push the "I am a photographer" and as soon as that is challenged you say "I am just a pornographer"

There is a Czech film "Closely Observed Trains" Directed by Jiri Menzel from 1967 it has scene in it hotter that 95% of the porn today. (Best Foreign Film !)

Better less but better
Good points. Yes way too many sites take one idea/theme and keep repeating it. The end result is unless the member is totally in love with that way of shooting he's off to see another way of shooting. A little while ago I wrote a thread about bringing in different themes to porn scenes. Also wrote about going to more live scenes.

However they still require shooters with skills and a budget to match.

Our content was largely based on our ability to find brand new models. Magazines, especially teen ones lapped them up and paid very well. However we did change a little. We didn't fly to Spain or Portugal, we didn't get very elaborate and we kept to a very similar format. Because that's what paid the most.

Also giving a brand new model something a bit out there to do isn't great, having to cope with a new model and a new theme isn't good. Especially if the increase in profits were none.

Magazines got around this problem by using different shooters in the same magazine, so for them it wasn't an issue. Sites using the same shooter, same theme gets boring. Especially after 30 or 60 days.

"Closely Observed Trains" is one film probably shot on a far better budget than porn. One film shot over and over again gets boring. That's why it's essential to bring out the girls true character and I wrote about that. She will make every scene hers, if she would only be herself.

As for lens. Never change a lens on a digital camera, it results on dust on the chips and spots on the image. I thought you would know all this.
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Paul, have you been given any indication off-board what the story or stories will be about???
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This is an art not a science.

There's no "one way" to shoot.

I have some members going to my site and downloading the same exact photos week after week.

So even if my stuff is not perfect it works.
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Old 03-09-2011, 11:14 AM   #497
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This is an art not a science.

There's no "one way" to shoot.

I have some members going to my site and downloading the same exact photos week after week.

So even if my stuff is not perfect it works.
Can it work any better?

There is no one way to shoot. Even the same shooter shooting the same niche has to adjust how he shoots according to the model, set, style, location, etc. Shooting solo is all about the relationship between the shooter and the model. What ever the niche or style. With a few exceptions.

Shooting couples is all about their relationship and the shooter. In that order.

What's your site? Give me a login and I will do an appraisal and send it to you privately.

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Paul, have you been given any indication off-board what the story or stories will be about???
No and don't expect anything for a few days, we're off to England Friday for a week. So no point in doing anything for a week.
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Old 03-09-2011, 11:34 AM   #498
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so no point in doing anything for a week.
Fuck! Waiting is torture!!!

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Old 03-09-2011, 11:53 AM   #499
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We had 6 different types of folders to cover all the styles we shot. Solo Teens, leg, glamor, ass, lesbian, BG.

Makes life a little easier. You can even show it to the girls who can't get it right. And shows you know what you're talking about.

Then when you shoot the video she and you know what positions you want.
This is an excellent idea.
I'm gonna steal this one and use it. Sure will make my life easier when I'm trying to shoot and have a million things flying around in my head.
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